Wing Zero TV >>>>> EW ZeroI'm so fucking tired of EW Zero being slapped everywhere.Everytime I see EW Zero on SRW games I release a big fat sigh.give some love to TV Zero
>>23767971This for TV DSH too.
>>23767971G Gundam was the last time Katoki made something good. After that, he went out of steam and made slop eversince. EW Wing Zero is ok-ish, but the rest look so terrible, especially Altron. I cannot stomach EW Altron.
I'm tired of Katoki in general. I thought he was great back in the late 90s/early 00s because he gets what makes a three-dimensional model look good, but once his style became the standardized look for Gundam, the individual character of a mobile suit got sanded down and lost. Think of how different the faces of the Okawara/Yasuhiko Gundam and Fujita Gundam Mk-II used to be, but now when people think of them, they think of a version that has the same boring old Katoki face.
>>23767971I like everything on TV Wing Zero, except the transformation mechanism of its feet. Regular TV Wing's feet simply have them to point outwards a la ballerina when transforming into Bird Mode, so why they didn't design TV Wing Zero to do the same? If it's not broken, don't fix it.
>>23767971I don't like how big the wings and gun is on the RG
>>23768030People who like Katoki mostly cling onto his prime in the 80s - early 90s. He arrogantly removing the unique feature and proportion of every gundam and ms he has redesigned to the point you can get tired by looking at them. The younger generation of designers is also ripping him off, creating this insufferable decline of mecha design in general.
>>23768046Because feet looks stupid on bird mode.
>>23767971EW Zero is kinda pretentious in its design but it's the most popular for a reason. The wing gundam getting actual wings with feathers looks cool as fuck
>>23768134Because Endless Waltz is such a beloved OVA and the scene where Wing Zero custom appeared was strangely romantic. It is not a bad rendition of Wing Zero Gundam, just that Bandai suck it off so hard. https://youtu.be/FC0CHk0DtdI?si=6TZSG4FutAkWSHon
>>23768134What are you talking about, THIS looks cool as fuck. If only they made an MG of TV Wing Zero
>>23768138Modern Bandai has this strange belief that no one likes Okawara's rendition of Wing Zero, even though the sales of RG Wing Zero tv says otherwise. It does sucks that every Wing MG so far has been wanking Katoki. I would love to see the actual TV Heavyarms and Altron to get their MG.
>>23768144Katoki's designs also have the advantage of allowing reused parts, while the tv Wing Gundams are all completely separate molds in spite of the backstory about originating from Wing Zero.
>>23768115Feet of TV Wing Zero in Neo Bird Mode, yes. They absolutely sucked and just made it unnecessary complicated.
>>23768504Compares to the annoying piece of shit known as Rezel, Wing Zero's transformation is just barebones in comparison.
>>23767971TV Wing Zero is a visual downgrade from the Wing.
>>23768527My man.
>>23768138>MG of TV Wing ZeroThe third party company that upscaled the real grade rx78 and rg god gundam to 1/100 scale is going to be doing the rg wing zero tv next. If you're ok with how the real grade looks
>>23768527Only when you are a contrarian snob.
Beside jobbing and dying, original Wing looks like a homosexual version of Wing Zero.
>>23768540Says the guy whining about the EW Wing Zero.
>>23767971>>23767974TV Wing Zero & TV DS Hell are better than the EW Versions. The other 3, The EW Versions eclipse them, especially Heavyarms.
>>23768544You have more reason to hate different version of the same thing. Original Wing is just a cute jobber with a boring as shit colorscheme. What did it even do in the show beside jobbing and exploding?
>>23768546>The other 3, The EW Versions eclipse them, especially Heavyarms.Lol. EW Altron and Heavyarms look retarded as fuck. Deathscythe Hell is passable, but boring.
>>23768554>You have more reason to hate different version of the same thingWing and Wing Zero are closely related too, and they are the main mecha of the show.>What did it even do in the show beside jobbing and exploding?I was just talking about them in terms of design, their performance in the show has no impact on that.>a boring as shit colorschemeMore like a less garish color scheme.
>>23768030I like most of his Gundams and related MS. The sameness of most of them never bothered me that much, because most Federation Mobile Suits are just iterations of the same three or four designs from the original series, so they should have a consistent look to them. His style really doesn't work for Zeon, though.
>>23767971It's because of the transformation gimmick, my manThe transformation to flight mode for nearly all mobile suits in gundam as a whole, suck fucking assWhich is a shame, because wing zero is one of the coolest gundams in the entire franchise
>>23767971Nah, EW Zero is better, the wings are cool as fuck. Its the only suit that got a glow up in EW.
>>23768560Wing has garrish colorscheme. However the color distribution is still very boring, dumb even. The body is mainly blue, yet the shield is red, what the fuck was Okawara thinking? The features look weak and chopped down too, it was obviously just a placeholder design to give the audience an idea of what Wing Zero was gonna look like. Original Wing is pure dogshit, i'm glad they took it out early.
>>23768601EW Wing Zero in animation looks better. The modelkits and lineart look like typical Katoki sludge.
>>23768606>Wing has garrish colorschemeIt has literally the same colors as the Wing Zero, except Wing Zero's color distribution is way more garish and obnoxious because they increased the amount of red and gold on the suit, and they also added more yellow to the Buster Rifle to the point it looks toyetic as hell. Wing Zero is practically the same as the Wing, but significantly more garish.
>>23768615>and they also added more yellow to the Buster Rifle to the point it looks toyetic as hellKino
>>23768560>their performance in the show has no impact on that.It does. Freedom wouldn't be as popular as is it now if Kira just lost every single fight with it.
>>23768745It doesn't matter to me, I like the designs of tons of jobber MS. I will never be retarded enough to say that the one with most wins is the one with the best design.
It's weird how Zero was treated in the TV as some kind of invincible mech that can do anything and beat everything.But in EW, it jobbed easily against Altron, and killed itself with the TBR. It looked so weak and fragile.
How come none of the TV WZ kits or figures get the backpack right?
>>23768872I mean Heero wasn't really fighting against Wufei in the former's full potential.
>>23768872Well Altron got made afterwards so it could be strong as WZ. Also TV Altron had the best overall weapons when it comes to 1v1.
>>23768772>I will never be retarded enough to say that the one with most wins is the one with the best design.Then explain why Wing Zero has the superior design compares to its jobber brother.
>>23768872I don't think it is fragile. If it takes twin buster's recoil, atmosphere re-entry and Altron to actually kill it off, that's a tanky Gundam if anything.
>>23768896Heero tried to Talk No Jutsu with Wufei and didn't try to fight. https://youtu.be/c0oc8rQu69w?si=DRhTJqRaFz48wXBM
>>23768109>He arrogantly removing the unique feature and proportion of every gundam and ms he has redesignedNot really his fault, Bandai paid him to do this so that they could make the kits into models more easily. Pre-Bandai model kit employee Katoki was a completely different animal than the hired hack toy maker.
>>23768926Sentinel had Mika Akitaka on board, along with Model Graphix's editors so he had a proper guidance on what the artstyle should be. His design started to look worse the momment he got appointed as the lead designer, which was when Endless Waltz got into production. Don't get me wrong, Ex S, Xeku Eins and Zwei, Nero are badass looking robots, but they were something made when he was young and didn't try to be himself - which is arguably the better Katoki.
>>23768872I'm.... not sure I would classify "Fought the close-combat-optimized Gundam in close combat, refusing to use Wing Zero's superior firepower" as "jobbing".
>>23767971The only EW design that wasn't objectively inferior was the Heavyarms, which honestly should have been the upgrade it got in the show instead of "slightly bigger backpack thrusters"
>>23768961I don't think EW Heavyarms custom is that much different compares to the tv counterpart. The only noticeable different is the twin gatling. Katoki's Heavyarms doesn't dualwield, it is more of an animation thing.
>>23768966>>23768961Heavyarms going from red to a dark turquoise gets me everytime.
>>23768966It's more obvious when it opens up, but it's got more missile launcher surfaces, more chest gatlings, etc. And don't forget the giant novelty clown mask!
>>23768981The increase in firepower got retconned sadly. The original Heavyarms in EW context has the same thing, which really downplays how much of a juggernault Heavyarms Kai is. Atleast the manga introduced some option sets.
>>23768745Heero didn't lose every single fight with Wing Gundam. He just treated it like shit >>23768872Heero wasn't trying to fight Wufei and the recoil from the TBR only blew it up because it was badly damaged to begin with
>>23768961Base Heavyarms EW is so much inferior to the TV version simply because the gatling is being handheld instead of directly attached to the arm.
>>23769001That's a nice build, anon. Did you make that?
>>23769000Most of ms in Wing are grounded and easily damaged. However, Wing's performance is just sad, barely getting to do anything important and got blown up. The short momment after its repair and return, it jobbed. Atleast the other guys got to be upgraded, Wing got ditched entirely.
>>23769001The arm gun merging will always be cooler than the generic hand held gun.
>>23768900I never said Wing Zero was the superior design, ESL retard, and the reason why its design is worse than the Wing's is because it's basically the Wing but more garish.
>>23769030Cope
Wing Zero and Epyon is an iconic rivalry with iconic designs. Wing vs Tallgeese? Who?
>>23768966Its missing the blade on the other arm.
>>23769048Tallgeese is literally the best Wing design.
>>23769065Tallgeese is cool, but i wish it didn't get so powercreeped by the boy's upgrades. Atleast its descendant got to survive and kick ass, so it is cooler than Wing in my book.
How the robot performs in the anime can affect your perception of it. Ask every Gouf Custom fans if they like it because of the design or because how cool its action scene is.
>>23768137I agreed with this. It's not like that Zero custom is a bad design, It's cool, but it's so overused that it's tiresome. Still Zero TV is superior in many ways, but popularity is another thing.
>>23768961Okawara's Heavyarms Kai and Sandrock Kai are the laziest redesigns ever. He just slapped another barrel on Heavyarms' Gatling Gun, slapped a beam rifle on Sandrock, redesigned the backpacks and called it a day. At least Katoki gave them different colour schemes, and Heavyarms more firepower
>>23769195>At least Katoki gave them different colour schemes, and Heavyarms more firepowerYou only feel that way because it is two different artists with different takes. Katoki's pre upgrade designs for Heavyarms, Sandrock and Shenlong are colorswaps. It is the same art direction.
>>23769183By the look of it, they are bringing EW into HG as well and HG EW Wing Zero is inevitable. I'm just so sick of EW stuff at this point.
>>23768532Is it confirmed? It and Hi-Nu are the most popular picks
>>23769214It looks far from being finished.
>>23768532NTA, i'm personally happy with how RG Zero looks. The proportion resembles the anime in a way.
>>23769205Okawara's Altron is a colour swap (by your logic), and his Heavyarms Kai and Sandrock Kai are objectively lazy
>>23768546I really prefer Katoki's Batman Deathscythe
>>23769205I do like OG Wing EW. but I wish it had those satisfying round chest vents of TV WING
>>23769420You can complain about his Sandrock being lazy but Heavyarms Kai looks exactly the same with no new details beside having a new set of chest gatlings inside. Atleast Okawara gave enough shit to give it slightly different skirt and backpack.
>>23769420>>23769480TV Heavyarms Custom has new skirt, double gatling, bigger Vfins and has 4 thruster verniers. EW versions are literall colorswap with different guns lol.
>>23768933Except EW sold like hotcakes. And Virtual On shows he's a great designer regardless. Unicorn also sold like crazy.
>>23769205>>23769480You do realize that Glory of the Losers came out many years after the EW OVA, right? In this case it's the "originals" (which are actually designs Katoki made after the upgrades) which are lazy, not the upgrade Gundams. And even then, Katoki still gave the "original" Heavyarms and Sandrock brand new optional equipment for the manga that actually made them look noticeably different.
>>23769205>Katoki's pre upgrade designs for Heavyarms, Sandrock and Shenlong are colorswapsHeavyarms and Sandrock didn't really get upgrades, just respeced for space. So that makes sense. Altron's full EW/GoL spec still has the dragon wings and tail. Altron and Shenlong already aren't that different in Okawara's design.
>>23768933I think it's funny how Tomino himself shittalks the guy. Stole these quotes from 5ch which were apparently printed in the 2000 book Aura Battler Dunbine Nostalgia:>He's been contaminated by old Gundam-esque stuff.>He's absolutely incapable of breaking free from that Gundam-esque mindset!>You might think Katoki-kun is young, but he's already got a decade of experience, you know?>Even if you asked someone of his calibre, it'd just end up as over-decoration.>When you look at Katoki mecha from the perspective of someone of my generation, of my sensibilities, I can say with certainty that they're not living mecha! Because they're lifeless, aren't they? They're all sickly, aren't they? They're dead.
>>23769493>Glory of the Losers came out many years after the EW OVADoesn't matter, it is still his take on what EW customs before their upgrades look like. You are trying to compare 2 different designer with 2 different intepretations, no shit their stuff look drastically different next to each other.
>>23769704Tomino shittalk Okawara all the time, too. And Syd Mead once. But to be fair, Katoki deserves that criticism. He has made nothing but trash after the 90s.
>>23769752Tomino shittalks EVERYONE. Including himself
>>23769744Calling Katoki's versions of the upgrade Gundams lazy is still wrong, retarded and plainly ignoring reality.Okawara's designs for the upgrade Gundams are lazy, but his designs for the original Gundams are not.Katoki's designs for the "original" Gundams are lazy, but his designs for the upgrades (which are actually the ones he made first) are not.
>>23769771Now you sound like you are coping lmao. EW prequel lineup were designed by the same person, he would have done it the same if he designed them for the show. If you can judge Okawara's second batch of Wing Gundams and then you should do the same for Katoki's.
>>23769809I'm not coping, I'm simply not retarded.>If you can judge Okawara's second batch of Wing Gundams and then you should do the same for Katoki's.The second batch of designs that Katoki made are the GotL ones, not the EW OVA ones.
>>23769752He was kind of right about Mead. Would Turn A have been a commercial success if it had looked like, say, Unicorn? Interesting to think about.
>>23769484It's a spot-the-difference. At least with Katoki's design you get the immediate visual difference with the colour scheme. Also, Gundam Leopard from Gundam X is basically Heavyarms again and Okawara managed to make that and its upgrade visually distinct. So he could've done it for Heavyarms. He just didn't care
>>23769809>he would have done it the same if he designed them for the show.No because he wouldn't have had Okawara's designs to base them off of.Katoki was handicapped with Endless Waltz because he had to make the redesigned suits still recognisably Okawara's designs. If he were the chief designer of the original series he might have designed the five Gundams completely differently.
>>23769859>Would Turn A have been a commercial success if it had looked like, say, Unicorn?Probably not because the lack of interest wasn't just down to the main Gundam looking weird
>>23769210im not I want more EW stuff and Im glad we'll finally be getting the team in proper HG kits
