How would you fix it, /m/?
Make it Gen 1 only, because Flit's story of how Grodek takes a bright young boy and turns him into the same kind of bitter, vengeful man as himself is the only interesting or well-written part of the story. Give the setting some actual meat on its bones. Every part of the AG setting is an empty void that only exists to fulfill the needs of the current episode and then disappears, nowhere has real context or connection to anywhere else.If you want to implement timeskips, have it take place over the course of Flit's journey from childhood to adulthood and have the AGE-1 gradually progress to the hulking, brutal Glansa over the course of that time. Have the birth of his son be the point where Flit almost goes over the edge into becoming the new Grodek but realizes his mistake and backs down.
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>>23769301Remove gen 2, it's worthless and contributes nothing compared to the set up (Flit arc) and the highlight (Kio arc).
>>23769322>is the only interesting or well-written part of the story.There's a bit towards the end with Obright where you see a moment of how long running wars ruin people across multiple generations, playing off that same bitterness and vengeance. But it's only a moment.God, but this show really did waste its potential.
>>23769301[AGE-1]Honestly, I would not change much of anything about the first 15 episodes. Some of the stuff isn't perfect, but it does set the stage for Flit's whole story quite well. I suppose some episodes could be cut/compressed, but the overall story is fine. [AGE-2]The love triangle between Asemu, Zeheart and Romary can remain, but use it as a way to highlight the conflicting views on Vagans war and as a way to try and deradicalize Zeheart somewhat. Maintain Desil as a living family curse for the Asuno family and also possibly tie Grodeks death into being his fault to further embolden his blood feud with Flit. Go way further with Flit's military takeover of the government, with him becoming just as brutal as Vagan in his effort to stomp them out during the AGE-2 to AGE-3 timeskip. [AGE-3]Have Kio be a near mirror reflection of how Desil was during Flit's youth. Bloodthirsty, sadistic and demonically brutal in his treatment of Vagan. All things a late stage X-Rounder brain afflicted Flit would have aggressively taught to him. Have it so he was ultimately denied a proper childhood to reinforce just how far Flit is willing to go in his genocidal crusade. Have Shanalua as a much more important figure in trying to deradicalize and give humanity back to Kio, only for her to be revealed later on as Desil's offspring who had infiltrated the Federation to assassinate Flit. This revelation makes Kio even more brutal for a time, but does sow doubt in his mind. Instead of actively abandoning his family, Asemu suffered legitimate memory loss and works with Bisidian to keep the secret of the EXA-DB from being discovered by either side. The true villain of the entire setting ends up being revealed as the Mobile Armor SID, with it being the source of how Vagan gained all of its technology and why its people have degenerated into psychotics. The entire catalyst for the Vagan attacks in the first place was over the AGE-System, with SID trying to snuff it out.
>>23769301>Gen 1Keep it relatively the same. Only pretentious faggots and sneedcucks bitch about Fardain anyway.>Gen 2Make Ezelcant more prominent and have Asemu and Romary be the ones that get captured and meet him. Desil kills Ezelcant and takes over Vagan. Meanwhile Flit enacts a full takeover of the federation and weeds out all the vagan sympathizers. Ends with Asemu, Romary, and Zeheart fucking off from both sides and deciding to form a third resistance/anti-war faction.>Gen 3Arc starts with Feds/Vagans fighting at Jaburo. Bisidian lead by Captain Ash and his crew arrive with the intent to steal the AGE system and it's new prototype Gundam. Kio Asuno while the Captain's son is content to just being a lowly cabin boy/mechanic and doesn't like fighting. Circumstances however force him to take his father's AGE device and use it to activate the dormant AGE-3 in order to help his family survive a wartorn innersphere and put an end to the conflict once and for all.
>>23769301Honestly I'd just make Flit the main character in all three arcs
Total Vagan Genocide
>>23769301Keep it in one thread you faggatron
>>23769301Mostly just change up gen 3. I'd probably drop the SID plot entirely and make Kio less insufferable(he can still think of the vagan more sympathetically but no more of that stupid disabling bullshit).
I still don't get what the point of Desil and Zeheart being brothers was.
>>23769823Filtered. Kio disabling wasn’t a problem for anyone but you babies
>>23769896The show literally shows him waste time using his funnels to protect enemy pilots while his allies' mobile suits blow up around him and the pilots die. It just looks bad when he's putting in more effort to save people on the other side but doesn't give a shit about people on his own.
>>23769896No. It's always been the dumbest shit whether it's kira or kio or anyone else. It's fine to want peace or to try get along but if some dude is trying to kill you shoot them down.
>>23769520>>23769615basically these two are the answer in simple terms>>23769896low iq
different character designer. everyone had enormous fucking heads in proportion to their bodies for full body shots. i'd even take the worst of late 2000s-era hirai's fish lips over this
>>23769913This may surprise you. This may even shock you. But this doesn’t actually happen. Kio nearly gives himself a stroke doing it but he doesn’t get anybody killed with his antics and manages to, on screen, protect more allies than he does the one singular enemy cockpit he does all while 100% destroying the Vagan MS he fights after separating their heads. Stay mad but please do it honestly and stop making shit up
Add more things like flint telling decile off when he wanted a fair fight.
>>23769301Make it longer. 150 episodes.Change ending. Instead of peaceful misunderstanding, total war like irl
>>23770111Don't bother arguing with that one. He already made it his life mission to shit on AGE every chance he gets. Anytime people come around on it being pretty good, he will show up to post the same bullshit lies just to fit his delusional worldview that everyone needs to abide by.
>>23770299Oh they’re actually lying about what happens on purpose? Funny
>>23769301It's fine as is.
>>23769301Have Kio link up with a vegan resistance- citizens that actively reject Ezelcant's ideology and are forced to hide away from his police forces or else they'll be "removed." They could show that not everyone is in lockstep with Ezelcant and also give more exposition on how there are many who are forced to sign up to be troops just to get food and medicine. They're also in contact with the bisidian pirates and feed them information so that Asemu can better move his forces around, and they can be a major factor in kio's escape by causing a large enough ruckus to let him slip away- this doesn't work (Kio still gets the AGE-3 Orbital wrecked) and they're almost completely annihilated, but they try.Give another reason why they can't move the Second Moon- example: Second Moon was intended to be a colony ship to carry a terraforming engine to Mars. The plan was to deploy the engine to create livable conditions on the surface of mars and offload its colonists as soon as possible, but due to design flaws the engine barely worked, and the failure of the engine forced the colonists to stay aboard the ship for far longer than it was designed for, and being disavowed by the federation lead them to turn to the EXA-DB. The terraforming engine still has enough power to keep Second Moon alive, but the shielding is gradually breaking down, causing the Mars Rays to leak through and the degradation getting worse over time, and they can't risk moving Second Moon because of the failing structure and disconnecting from the only "reliable" source of power and protection from the Mars Rays. The deployment of Second Moon to earth in the final arc is the last-ditch effort allowed by the deployment of La Gramis- it provides enough structural reinforcement and power for Second Moon to make its journey before its anti-Mars-Rays shielding breaks down completely, and the fortress itself protects the remaining colonists inside.
>>23772846That second part is actually mostly what happened, except second moon was an emergency project made from the staging materials the EFF left when they abandoned them. It was only because of that EXA DB chunk they were able to convert it into living space. Otherwise what you’re saying is 100% factual
>>23769322>>23769333Mindbroken by fujos, pathetic
>>23773085>except second moon was an emergency project made from the staging materials the EFF left when they abandoned themI was thinking about adding "oh but what if they used the remaining colony ship pieces to create a living space on what remained of Deimos and that's why they call it 'Second Moon' and they had to scrap the engines so they couldn't actually move it until the very last arc" but i couldn't fit it in the character limit. >Otherwise what you’re saying is 100% factualDamn, my memory of this show is fuzzier than a room full of pomeranians. If that was communicated better in the anime it -might- have headed off those frodo posters, but that would require them to pay attention.
>>23773143>cope
>>23769301The premise that somehow a Martian colony simply abandoned and disappeared from memory is pretty strange and retarded given the amount of technology seen on the show.
Make Asemu's Pirate Era an undercover assignment.Replace the Second Moon with the refugee/victory fleet not realizing it's for the final eugenics war.
Give Emily more screentime.>show her taking care of Flit and supporting him despite his bigotry and self-loathing>show her be a mother to Asemu who shares her side of how Flit is trying his best to raise a family with happiness that he never had himself>have her be a navigator aboard the Diva in Gen 2>show her be a supportive mother-in-law to Romary, and later grandmother to Kio in Gen 3
>>23774113So you actually didnt watch the show?
Not much. I'd truncate the Fardain arc since it's not that great and is the drag on the first generation, you know exactly what it's leading to immediately so you're just waiting for it to end mostly.Increase the length of the second generation, the most liked gen having the least episodes is bit of a whiff. Give the AGE-3 Orbital a showcase episode.
>>23769301I'd change the artstyle for starters. It's too cute and friendly for how serious the show takes itself and since we weren't in the 70s or 80s that gap didn't work in the show's favor. Making the characters look more mature and sharp would help a lot, specially since the character design and toy-like simplistic mech design is what turned people off from the start. Also, shift it from grim war drama to hotblood and hype, make it more of a shounen anime like G did.Kio's arc needs a big rewrite. Kio being so gung ho about killing Vegans then being instantly turned into a no kill pacifist who gets in the way of his allies during battles, Asemu becoming a pirate to stall the conflict, Age-3 getting trashed near instantly, it's all quite bad. Flit being a bitter, racist old man was entertaining, and I'd keep this development from his arc mostly the same, but I think he should've been slowly saved by the love for his family back into being an idealistic hero somehow.Also I'd prefer Arisa as Asemu's love interest instead of Romary but that wouldn't necessarily be an improvement
>>23779497>instantlyLiving among them for a quarter year, after only fighting them for weeks, will do that
>>23779173sorry too confusing, next best thing we can do is have the women pre-determine the next generation's base hair color
>>23779782The old Destiny Plan image of Dullindal pointing to "JOBS or DEAD" except it's "DEAD or MOM"
>>23779782They should influence the statline and class too!
Maybe include a scenario where Flit is not convinced by Kio to give up Genocide.
>>23779497The character design is definitely the big one, it's the complaint I see cited most in Japanese comments that it reminded them too much of Inazuma Eleven to take seriously.
>>23779497>>23781780Forgive me if i'm wrong but I've rewatched a few UC gundams recently but I feel like I can safely say that stuff like the original, zeta, and even victory, had more lighthearted, comedy moments in them than AGE did.It kinda makes the clash in the art style and the tone even more jarring, maybe I'm wrong about that but It's been over a decade since I saw Age, and back then I was a tripfaggot.
ストーリーは悪くない。問題はキャラデザインだけ。逆にオルフェンズはストーリーがクソ、最後まで見て後悔した。フリットは正しい。自分の親や故郷を破壊され、さらに初恋の人を殺されたら誰でもああなる。
Make Gen 1 actually introduce the meat of the story than wasting time dicking around followed by a stupid nostalgiabait knockoff of the original Gundam. Recasting Char as an evil 6 year old is more of a dumb parody than anything serious. Make Gen 2 longer, since it is the only good part and when the show really tries to explore "what if a Gundam protagonist had a family after his show" which is Age's strong point. Don't have the pivotal moment be a ripoff of the Battleship Libra from Wing. Explore more about the coup and what happens afterwards instead of being a single episode.Ditch Gen 3 entirely because it gets terminally retarded about halfway through and the characters are unnecessary. Just cast Flit as the villainous dictator of Earth with his not!Titans who ends up getting stopped because he realizes he's wasting his whole life and family hating the Vagans and he dies in a glorious sacrifice to stop some Vagan superweapon. Kio can show up in the epilogue.
>>23782486Sounds worse than what we got.
>>23782486Glad you’re not in charge. At least someone else would’ve actually watched it in the first place
>>23781821Let's just say that when you have a character like Dique, who looks like the product of a genetic experiment to create the perfect comedic goofball, yet has practically zero comedic moments, the disconnect with the character design couldn't be greater.
>>23782773that's what happens when you cram like 3 separate casts into the span of like 50 episodes, at best they only get 1/3rd the typical time to mature and even if the characters do undergo some development it's either rushed as hell or extremely simple/formulaic so the payoff isn't as good even when the character's finished changingand keep in mind that gundam doesn't really do a lot of secondary character development to begin with, like barely much of note happens with the secondary cast like bridge crews in Zeta or 00 or Destiny outside of a few people and usually it's because they die in an attack or something else majorand now 50 episode runtimes no longer exist so it's not even an option anymore
>>23769301For starters, they had to pick a lane to be commercially successful. They wanted AGE to succeed with 8 year old kids (hence all the crazy growth in Gundam merchandising projections during the initial announcement that obviously didn't materialize), but they stopped at character design and wrote a typical Gundam story, which usually targets viewers starting at 13. Japanese boys at that age can find a necessarily constrictive story (ya know, being suddenly stuck on a military ship in a deadly situation full of grief and remorse) more interesting because their own lives are more regimented with school activities and responsibilities. By contrast, 8-year-olds gravitate toward themes of freedom and unconstrained adventure. Essentially, they saw AGE and tuned out, uninterested. At the same time, many older viewers who could have been interested never gave it a chance because they reasonably assumed it wasn’t for them with Sunrise itself said it was aimed at a younger demographic. I imagine that along the way they decided they wanted both audiences, and as a result they sent mixed signals and missed the mark. We can discuss many other execution problems (there are plenty!), but in my opinion this is the main reason AGE disappointed commercially.
Make it 3 50 episode shows instead.
>>23782834I think that would be way too much honestly, people complain the Flit arc is dull and drags at parts and that's only 15 episodes long as is.
>>23782790That's not the point. It doesn't make sense to give him that specifically bizarre look when he's never comedic all the while being coded as the "funny guy" from kids' shows. We also see him quite often in Gen 2, and he's never comedic there either. The issue is the disconnect between a design aimed at younger kids and a story intended for boys at least four years older than that target audience.
>>23769301Make pic related the actual villain they pretty much set him up to be from the beginning rather than write him out halfway through it just to replace him with his dog shit loser brother everyone was bored to tears by.Also i'd make Arisa Gunhale Asemu's girlfriend for the second part. Romary is milquetoast boring as hell.
The generational story is just a bad choice for a kid's anime to begin with, I've seen people say they watched it as a kid but lost all emotional investment when the story suddenly jumped forward 25 year and was about a whole new cast. An older audience might find that interesting but all kids see is that all the characters they liked suddenly vanished.
>>23782842you say that but asemu and zeheart are the only parts of age you could say got some mild form of popularity, memory of eden exists for a reason. when it reaired in jap theaters recently alongside hathaway 2 all the merch sold out for it.
>>23782843Not to mention that two of the protagonists grow beyond the realm of what they can realistically relate to. I can't imagine a little kid being too thrilled by a 60 year old, grief-stricken Flit.
>>23782821Funnily enough, it was the Gaogaigar problem: it *completely* whiffed as an entry point for younger audiences, not just the 4-12 demo but the 13-19 one as well, the people that actually stuck around watching it were mostly the 20+ Gundam fan/otaku people. 4-19 at some points basically hit what could only be recorded as 0.00%But there was also a franchise fatigue factor, since IBO followed it and did even worse.
>>23781821>It kinda makes the clash in the art style and the tone even more jarringTaking a more "normal" character design and putting them in light hearted scenes is fine. Batman can be in comedies.The problem is when you take brightly colored caricatures with their plastic toys and slap them into grim and depressing war stories.You can't take Teletubbies characters to a dead serious retelling of WW2 while they fly around in Barbie planes, it will look ironic and ingenuine.
>>23782870AGE's mobile suits are very toyetic but they really don't look out of place in action scenes.
>>23782874I think AGE's mecha design is fine. If anything, the problem from a commercial standpoint is the Vagan mobile suits, which are an acquired taste. It's a case where I appreciate the uniqueness of some designs, but I would never buy a model kit of those things.
>>23782842Thinking Zehart is boring is some dogshit opinion senpai
I've started AGE a few weeks ago and, honestly, it's a lot better than I had expected? Major pacing issues, but I got over the art style pretty quickly. It honestly might be my favorite of the direct UC knockoff AUs. I've got 10 eps to go so we'll see if that changes.Anyways, I'd say the biggest problem is runtime. This series needed 60 episodes minimum. Flit got 15, Asemu gets 13,and then Kio has 21. Flit's story felt rushed and Asemu, despite having almost as many episodes, feels like there's very little development. There's just not enough time to move the story, build out characters, the relationship between the characters, and really dwell on what's going on in the story. Honestly, 75 episodes might have been appropriate.
>>23783044People always say to cut the Kio arc when talking about AGE but the Asemu arc is the one you can cut and lose pretty much nothing, the simple fact is it's the most popular arc because it's character driven rather than plot driven.
>>23783056Yeah, I liked some large battles, but it mostly feels like a series of minor scuffles, with the exception of the attack on the Big Ring. That's the curse of being the middle chapter as the cannot do anything truly important because it was reserved for part 3. Yeah, there's the "coup," but it leads to nothing interesting since part 3 resets the Federation as weak and barely surviving. Ironically, despite all his talk about killing the Vagans, Flit was in the position to do exactly that only by doing nothing and letting them fall to their own stupidity.
>>23783056I wonder if they'd have done better to show space pirate Asemu rather than have it as a reveal during Kio's arc. His character went through a lot of off-screen growth that does reflect well on his chapter.His rejection of Flit's vision didn't exactly come out of nowhere, but it's frustrating to have such a major development happen during a time skip. We also had Asemu eating shit for episode after episode only for it to end shortly after he starts figuring out who he wants to be as a pilot.
>>23783079>Ironically, despite all his talk about killing the VagansFlit really is just that, all talk. It isn't until Kio comes back from Mars and starts preaching about how the Vagan aren't that bad that Flit looses his marbles and starts trying to enact a genocide for real. Even then no one seems to really take him seriously about it until he pulls out the nuke in the final episode and even someone like Algreus who would have listened to this guy rant about murdering Vagans on a daily basis for decades s like "what the fuck are you doing?!"
>>23783084dude, you don't remember how flit went on a rampage and purged all the vagans and vagan-sympathizers he could find on Earth at the end of the 2nd gen story, including the current president of the EF at the time?the only reason it wasn't a bloody coup is because flit didn't just immediately take over as the leader of the EF, he actually kept his trust in the system and let them elect new officials instead, only for them to fuck him over again a few decades later
>>23782773>>23782840Yeah that's an good example of what I mean, these older tomino shows found time for stupid ass comedy moments but age couldn't? Age just has a very uncertain audience that it doesn't really know who it's trying to appeal too.Again it's a shame because I loved the Later Flit stuff, but as far as Gen 1 is concerned I didn't really think much about him, it has some very good ideas, just none of them got enough focus because of the format.>>23783044The main reason why I'm mad at Age is because god damn it has a lot of ideas I like and if it didnt feel rushed as all get out, It'd be up there for me.But it's like the same issue I had with stuff like Witch and Gqux, absolutely no pacing at all.>>23782870This kinda reminds me of Advance Wars and how the first three games there were very cartoony in art style and had pretty silly stories with maybe one serious moment in them, Dual Strike having maybe 3 of them. And then Days of Ruin decided to tell a more dark story and the art style changed to fit that, It'd look jarring for AW1 characters to be involved in the Days of Ruin story, but that's kinda what Age did.
>>23783274Nothing in this post contradicts him being all talk.
>>23779497Never understood the complaint about the artstyle. By that point in time, it's ancient bait and switch. Madoka for example was present at the time (ex. Madoka Titus and Homura Spallow) and immensely popular. It always reads like cope from people who never gave it a chance.
>>23783540Gundam AGE wasn't a bait and switch. From the announcement, they treated it like a new kids' craze, aiming to market it to 8 year olds and sell tons of merchandise like the AGE device. There's nothing wrong with making a mecha series for kids and the early Braves are an excellent example that everyone likes. The problem was combining a standard Gundam story with a mismatched art style to appeal to both audiences, which caused them to completely lose the intended main spenders (kids) and mostly attract only the usual Gundam fans. The fandom was rarely completely negative about AGE; the usual complaints were wasted potential, and being unsuccessful out of the gate after crazy financial expectation didn't help production.
I still remember people freaking out from the initial magazine scans thinking the AGE Device was a remote control Flit used to control the Gundam remotely and shit.
>>23783709lol those bullshit rumors about it basically being Pokemon with the Age Device and the Gundam being voiced by Kamiya
>>23783718tbdesu AGE would probably better remembered if it was that
>>23783709It had a nice design.Unfortunately it suffered being released in a period in which actual phones accessible to kids were more advanced in terms of actual entertainment, resulting in a paradox of a futuristic looking toy that feels outdated compared to device of the same size. Also the fact that in the anime is a data device and a startup key felt a bit boring for kids which usually want something that evokes a more tangible effect, like an henshin and so on.
>>23783709I mean, to be fair it looked a lot like the device that did just that, from the mecha series the same people made prior.
>>23783751Not to mention that superficially the prominent AGE System in the torso made it look like it was the control unit when we still don't know much about the series.
>>23783709>the AGE Device was a remote control Flit used to control the Gundam remotely and shit.Tetsujin 28 style?
I think it's interesting how different the English and Japanese opinions are. While both mostly agree that the Asemu arc is the best part, the English audience says it goes to shit in the Kio arc and the Japanese say the Flit arc is the absolute bottom and both the Asemu and Kio arcs are the payoff for getting through it.
>>23786876That's just cultural differences. Westerners are much more likely to relate to Flit's just desire to purge the vagan filth than the japanese are.
>>23786924Flit's arc as in the first 15 episodes, not his overall character.
>>23769301Add two /ss/ scenes per age.
>>23782882He amounts to nothing and he is a terrible rival character. Desil was genuinely better because he was such an unbelievable asshole in the making, but that all gets cut short to make way for Zeheart's boring as hell character relevance as the token Char clone for AGE.I feel sorry for Asemu's relevance if anything thanks to how shit Zeheart is.
>>23790778Filtered by the best that clone we ever got
