https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2EcYrjWc8Y
>>23774301Yuya Takahashi continues to prove he's a hack.
>>23774341
>>23774361Honestly does feel like a soft rework halfway through the show
>>23774341Rent free
>>23774424He's literally this show's writer, retard.
>>23774301Episode so bad Youtube doesn't even wanna premiere it
>>23774440>>23774449RENT FREEENTFRE
Uhh where is it?
>>23774453See anon, just because you say a word a lot doesn't mean it has any meaning.
>>23774301still hasn't started but perhaps those should be ready for download it for MEGA
>>23774453t. seething Takahashifag
>>23774456in your dreams
>>23774460Ok good night.
Two minutes four minutes ago.
Took them long enough.
>>23774458its starting soon
I've been out of the Kamen Rider for a while now, when did they start simulcasting in English on YouTube?
>>23774363ewwLook how wrinkly her shirt is. Very NEET of her.
>>23774468With the current show, Zeztz.
I'm glad good Baku is back...
>>23774459Okay, Shitposter-kun.
>>23774476>shitposterSays the faggot who's done nothing but spout buzzwords like a bot.
>>23774426I'm glad Fujimi is back being full of hopes and dreams.
>>23774482Hopefully they kill Odaka off again in the final arc.
>Baku is now the edgy vagueposter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F5VEBxlM6kWhat did you like and dislike about the beginning of Zeztz's second half?
>>23774490No, Baku is the hope-filled vagueposter who blurts out facts regardless of whether people believe him or not. And uses his power to actually save people instead of trying to blow up the world like a retard. So Nox can still fuck off.
Vagueposting Baku lol
>>23774490The NOX virus is spreading fast
>>23774490Baku literally is gonna explain everyone in detail what he saw in his dream. not a clipshow per se, but he is trusting Minami, Nasuka and Fujimi with this vital info. because as of now, they are his team, much like how NOX! is part of LA SEÑORA's and how CODE has 3,5 and 6.
Okay so Baku is trying to do everything to prevent his Vision and ultimately screws up because he ruins what future knowledge he has by changing so much?
>>23774508Things are going to get better for him now, that's the whole point of this second half, to not conclude in a bad ending like the first one did.He already prevented a bunch of Black Cases from happening, now Nox is going to be his ally against the real villains.
>Repeat after me: You will NOT be gay and you WON'T BE HAVING HOT YURI SEX WITH NASUKA (or Himeno)
>>23774512i guess this is ONE way to make NOX! look less of a villain to the kids, but the problem is that NOX IS STILL NOX! to the older audience he STILL is the fucker that, given the chance, would still enact things like the meteor strike. i do hope Baku at some point confronts him with what he knows and makes him understand with good ole violence how his and LA SEÑORA's methods were retarded at best and downright depraved at worst.
>>23774513Five is smart. By restoring her memories early she won't become a useless lesbian
>>23774301>>23774361>>23774500>The entirety of Q1 was just a premonitionIt's hard to deny that this just feels like a soft reset just for the sake of it. Not a fan of Takahashi's writing, but that he wasn't even told that on the very show he's writing is very telling of how this was a decision purely made for shock value. Producers thought it'd be a cool switcheroo, but failed to notice how it undervalues everything that came beforehand. The entirety of Q1 was just a bad future that Baku has to prevent, which means any character development and relationship didn't happen, yet you're expected to like these versions of the characters like they're the same as before, when they're not. It also makes the already controversial MOTW format even more pointless, as all of it was completely meaningless.The concept of "preventing my dream from coming true" is silly, as Baku in this very episode has already changed it completely by confronting Zero, spoiling things for people, and saving the detective early on. It's already a different future, so mission accomplished from the get go. If his fear is preventing agents dying and Nem from being captured, that is a possibility that can happen regardless of his dream. If I have a premonition that my family dies in a train accident, so I make them avoid trains for as long as I can, only for them to die in a hiking accident, I didn't fail my premonition just because they died; that's just something that can happen. And it's not like everything in his future was bad, he did a lot of good things as an agent and helped people, it's just that it ended horribly. That being said, the writing was kinda shit the past few episodes, and this is an interesting spin to make things more exciting again. But I'm not fooled like this is an innovative twist like some folks are pretending this is. This is a dumb show pretending to be smart for views, but it's a fun dumb show, so I'll keep watching.
>>23774490Preview for next episode has "ZEZTZ looks back on his agent nights!" We're probably getting a mini clip/recap episode to catch the other characters up to speed before it switches to the fighting shown in the preview. The vagueposting is just to kick the can down the road because of the short runtime.
I'm enjoying the ride.That said I'm a little bummed there's no hilarious "how the FUCK do we make Nox the secondary rider after everything he's done?!" attempt.Just "Oh it didn't actually happen so he's fine."
I will say I'm glad it wasn't all part of an elaborate CODE plan, because Zero and Three speaking of his death as a totally serious thing that's going on would be silly if it turns out it was their plan. I'm glad it's something that catches everyone by surprise, including the antagonists.
>>23774513Five gives off DL vibes, I'm not sure he should be throwing stones in glass houses
>>23774517It's too late, she's been a lesbian since high school.
>Yuya Takahashi show hits the halfway point>We immediately get a battle royale between ridersIt's like clockwork
>>23774506why upload Case 18?
>>23774530And then they team up to take down the Finality Nightmare, followed by Baku ascending to godhood after passing away in his sleep.
>>23774536https://mega.nz/folder/2QFTFKxJ#1qRPjOjMZjIrEAKt8NR2igCopied the wrong link. It's the same link every thread.
>Odaka doing his shady spy shit from the early episodes>Watches the "rookie" CODE member hulk out and immediately beat the shit out of a nightmareI like to imagine he could sense the beating he took in the dream, somehow, and knew that if Baku so much as breathed in his general direction he'd be dust
I like the new OP, sounds more fitting to a Kamen Rider show than Visions, but it still isn't as great as previous openings.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nTmEhJnn8o
>>23774541Nox realized if he tries his vague postings shit he'd be getting curb stomped like that one fan art
>>23774541I love the idea of Nox just seeing Catastrom and looking like this.
>>23774525technically it didnt happen, but to Baku? it totally fucking did.i pray behond hope that Baku, while accepting NOX's help, he still doesnt trust him and gives him a good ole Ex-aid tier scare to make him understand he aint gonna be forgiven so easily, and he WILL work to get his own happy ending.
>>23774557Yeah the worst thing that can happen is Nox just being a total good guy now.
>>23774556Same vibe
>>23774557>>23774559>villains getting consequences>in a Takahashi showLiterally every villain and bad person in the last series he did (with the exception of the weird plants and their daddy) got away with every crime, murder, and destruction they did, and the show portrayed that as a good thing. As awful as Nox is, he's a saint compared to half the cast of Geats, so I wouldn't be surprised for them to just undermine every bad thing he did. Especially since now, none of it happened.
>>23774565i mean, Parado DID got his consequences with Emu actually killing him to traumatize him and just reviving him when he learned his lesson.
>>23774562>You have no idea what's going on...>Yes I do, you're buttmad that zero left you to die so now you're working with an evil insomniac milf for revenge>I... uh... what>It really wasn't that complex, you could've explained it in like two minutes. Now grit your teeth, it's Catastrom time
>>23774574>Go home, Odaka, you're beltless, bitchless, and your upgrade form looked like shit>>...>I'm gonna go punch your boss, and then punch MY boss, and then punch HIS boss
>>23774568Sure, and it was a good scare, but he still joined the heroes quickly afterwards. I don't think that one scene absolves him or should make it ok for the rest of the team to bring him in, though it does help. Helps more than every other villain of his who never got anything close to that.That said, I'd be cool with Nox suffering the same fate. I would honestly forgive a lot if Nox joins the team mainly out of fear of what Baku could do to him. It'd be a hilarious dynamic of the edgy asshole being quietly scared of the kind MC.
Five is gonna dunk mr.mumbles into the dirt
>>23774562not so fun when you're the one who has no idea what's going on now is it nox?
>>23774500Overall Ioved this episode and most of my problems are still related to Nox or things that I'm unsure whether or not the show will handle them well. Baku continues to be a really entertaining and likable protagonist, his competency in this episode was great and I'm liking the reset so far, also enjoyed the new OP more than VISIONS. However Nox's reactions this episode makes him even more unjustifiable, he didn't even know Nem was Lady's daughter, I know we're lacking explanations for what he meant by "Code's world" but there really doesn't seem to be anything limiting him from sharing information, Kureha at least has the excuse that she thought Baku knew everything and once she realized he didn't there was no time due to the Catastrophe Nightmare but unless it's told that Nox is in a situation like Mai from Gaim where he's forced to be vague he just doesn't make sense, and this episode seems to reinforce that he isn't in nay predicament like that. Also I'm worried that Nem's popularity is indeed coincidence given how the story is playing so far.>>23774361I find this extremely difficult to believe even if this is an official statement because the whole reason the hired Takahashi was because he came up with a premise for "a Rider that uses the power of dreams who gets revealed that his whole reality is a dream", I know this isn't quite that since this is a vision but still. Also they weren't exactly being subtle with how the OP is called VISIONS and how every two-parter has a vision at the end of the episode, due the whole sub situation it means that the OP was indeed filmed at the beginning and not after the first half was filmed so surely Takahashi at least knew this was the direction even if he wasn't told. But also I see not point in not telling him since even though the first half was mostly episodic the story still progressed, I know this won't be Takebe levels lacks of planning due to Yanaka planning the story but it could still be close.
>>23774616The quote is real, and everything you said was there to tease the reveal was either A.put by producers who knew the twist ahead of time or B.just fit in because the concept of "dream within a dream" was already called out from the second the show started. Q1 being written like it is definitely is from a writer who didn't plan for all of it to be fake, as he spent too much time with the characters helping the little people for it to be part of a grand plan. They just handled it the dumbest way possible.
>>23774341Some of you fags just need to learn to enjoy things for what they are instead of walking around with a giant dildo shoved up your ass constantly.
>>23774361OK now I'm even more confused because doesn't this interview that also released today too say the vision was Takahashi's idea? https://www.cinematoday.jp/news/N0153698
>>23774623I'd assume the quote on the official Zeztz site is more believable than just a piece they do for some magazine. Maybe Takahashi came up with the idea, but wasn't told when it would happen. Maybe he thought the twist would be on the finale, and the producers said to do it on the halfway point.
>>23774623The tokusatsu drama Kamen Rider Zeztz (TV Asahi series) has entered its second chapter starting with Episode 25 ("Case 25: Beginning"), which aired on the 8th. The episode kicked off with an unexpected twist: protagonist Baku (Ryutaro Imai), who seemed to have died in the line of duty, suddenly reappears in the same hospital room from Episode 1, revealing a shocking truth. To celebrate the launch of this accelerating second chapter, producer Hideaki Yanaka (Toei) shared comments on the behind-the-scenes of the shocking developments and the new theme song.>Everything Was a "Precognitive Dream"! The Shocking Episode 25Kamen Rider Zeztz is the seventh entry in the Reiwa Kamen Rider series. It follows Baku, a lackluster young man who operates as an "invincible agent" in his dreams, as he transforms into Kamen Rider Zeztz using a belt he suddenly obtains and battles Nightmare, a monster trying to turn "nightmares" into reality. Episode 25 reveals that the world Baku and his allies believed was real was actually Baku's "precognitive dream."According to producer Yanaka, the "precognitive dream" twist for the protagonist was scriptwriter Yuya Takahashi's idea. "In the series composition that Mr. Takahashi came up with from the start, the mid-series climax noted: 'Baku's sleep time gradually lengthens, leading to Baku's eternal sleep.' Since Kamen Rider Zeztz centers dreams as one of its key themes, they cleverly subverted expectations of a typical 'dream ending' by timing it for maximum impact."Yanaka continued, "In the first half, we took care to symbolically depict the 'gouged red moon' that appears in dreams while never filming the moon in the real world." He added with a laugh, "The staff must have had a tough time!" praising the production team.(1/2)
>>23774637To mark the new chapter's launch, the show's theme song has been updated to "PLAY BACK" by YUTA, who performs on global stages. The track fuses aggressive guitar sounds with a beat reminiscent of 2000s punk, driven by YUTA's emotional vocals in a hybrid rock number. It captures the psychological turmoil between reality and dreams, along with a fierce will to defy fate and seize one's own choices, drawing viewers into peak tension.Producer Yanaka confessed the backstory behind the theme song change: "Even after deciding on this (precognitive dream/second chapter) development, we wondered how to maximize the 'new chapter' feel. That's when the idea of 'changing the theme song'—something done in past Kamen Rider series—came up.""Recent anime often switches theme songs per cour, so a year-long Kamen Rider show has every reason to do the same! The dreamy, floating sensation in the first half's 'VISIONS' was fantastic, and YUTA's powerful rock sound in 'PLAY BACK' provides a perfect contrast. Look forward to the revamped opening animation starting with Episode 26 next time!"Reflecting on the series so far, producer Yanaka said, "Kamen Rider Zeztz is being made with the fresh spirit of a 'new beginning' for the Riders. We're constantly imagining the ethos of the 'Heisei Phase 1' founders who rebooted the Kamen Rider series—not just what they 'did,' but what they 'set out to do.' Getting reactions like 'you can't predict what's next' from viewers is incredibly motivating."From the second chapter, Kamen Rider Dawn—who appears in the new visuals—joins the fray. Code Number: Six (Yuzuki Hirakawa), presumed dead, regains her memories, propelling the story into uncharted territory beyond a mere "second round."(2/3)
Nothing is stopping them from saying anything from this second half is another precognition, though. That's the problem with this type of twist: you can't fool the audience twice.
>>23774638Producer Yanaka teased future developments: "Episode 25's 'strong new game' and 'butterfly effect' (where tiny divergences alter the future) lead to even more turbulent twists. New Kamen Rider Dawn, who observed Baku's precognitive dreams, shakes up the board to reject becoming just a 'second round'—we absolutely won't let it get boring. Stay tuned!!" (Editor: Takuya Kuramoto)(3/3)
>>23774301>>23774500I liked this episode, even if I'm still miffed about the twist in the previous episode and consider it to be cheap. I liked the way Baku reacted to being brought back to episode 2 and how he tries to speedrun things even though the others don't understand what he tells them at first. I also like that he was still feeling down about the past few episodes' events, even though I dislike the fact that they were practically undone, at the very least he didn't get over it instantly. Him spilling so much of what he knew to Zero was a bit dumb though, and although he had the foresight to close off CODE's access to the Zeztz Room, I don't see why that would prevent them from just going to his house.I'm also a bit bummed that Baku chased Zero off so quickly. I still think that taking him out of the hero cast without a proper replacement (Three isn't really one, he doesn't have much of a personality and he barely interacted with the good guys) worked to the show's detriment, and I don't think Nox can fill his shoes since he has the charisma of a rock.It's also pretty much confirmed that the first half was explicitly a premonitory dream and that it was the result of Baku's powers, not part of anybody's plans (except maybe The Lady's). Nox seemed confused and surprised about it, which could mean he genuinely wasn't expecting this to happen and wasn't aware that the first half was a dream, and if that's the case, it doesn't really justify his past actions and he's still a retard and a faggot because he would've done all of that if Baku hadn't gotten the chance to re-do everything.(1/2)
>>23774641The Paranormal Affairs division being closed down makes sense, but it doesn't really change anything since it's not like Fujimi and Nasuka received any support from the rest of the police anyways. I also have a feeling those two will be even more useless now since I don't think there will be many weekly cases (if any) going forward and their previous contributions literally got wiped out from reality, they're probably just there to redeem Nox and Kureha now.Nem's heart-to-heart with Baku at the end felt a bit too sudden and unwarranted, it seems like they want to speedrun the side cast getting up to date with the events and developments that happened in the first half. The end of the episode also felt kinda abrupt.We got another cool fight with Catastrom, this time with some trippy dream editing just like in episode 2, but it was rather short and it was also the only action we got in the entire episode. I thought Baku using Recovery to undo Catastrom's collateral damage was pretty smart, and it's a chance for Catastrom to be a more heroic form now.This episode mostly consisted of set up to get everyone back on track after the reset, so I still can't get a good grasp on how the second half will be like. That being said, it seems like they won't be slowing down next week, as it looks to be a pretty action-packed episode where we'll see nearly everyone fighting.(2/2)
>>23774361Honestly sounds like a terrible idea and it kinda was since it meant the whole first half was just stalling for the sake of this twist.
>>23774621Ok, enjoy Ghost and Gotchard then.
>>23774637>>23774638>>23774640>>23774361So the way I'm understanding this>Yanaka requested for the first half to be episodic the second half serialized from the very beginning>Takahashi planned to subvert the "it's all a dream" trope by making everything a vision but he didn't know when to implement this>Yanaka decided for the first half to be the vision and told this to Kami so that they do the whole red moon thing properlyIs this about right? Never had I seen such contradictory behind the scenes statements, and both came out the same day
>>23774639They're obviously not going to pull the same twist twice without at least putting some sort of spin on it. The real problem is you're too autistic.
>>23774651It's weird because this interview says Takahashi came up with the idea from the beginning >>23774623>>23774637Which is confusing because https://www.kamen-rider-official.com/zeztz/case26/ indeed says:>From the very beginning of the project's planning stage, we had decided that the story would turn out to be a dream in the second half. However, this was kept secret from scriptwriter Yuuya Takahashi, the staff excluding the director and producer, and the cast including Imai-san.>It was framed as a prophetic dream that only Baku saw, so the cast really struggled with how to approach their performances (sorry about that).>If we sort out each character's perspective:>>Baku knows about everyone who has appeared so far.>>Nemu, being able to wander through people's dreams, has her memories with Baku reset, but she quickly understands as a resident of the dream.>>The Kaiji Squad has their relationships—like between Fujimi and Nasuka—reset. They witness what is, in a sense, a black case where names like Odaka and Kureha come up from Baku.>>Minami also has her knowledge of Baku's agent work reset.>Even without sharing that it was a dream ending, everyone on set connected everything—from costumes and props to every last detail... Huge thanks!So I really don't know what to believe because the blog by Reina Ahagon who's the producer that co-handles the Minami mini-series says it was the Yanaka's idea but the staff managed to guess, but then the Cinema Today interview with Yanaka says it was Takahashi's idea, but both aren't direct quotes from Yanaka. I guess I'm more inclined to belive the blog because it's done by a staff member but it's still confusing.
>>23774661To me it sounds like Takahashi threw the idea of having a premonitory dream around right at the start, Yanaka liked it and decided alongside the director that the reveal would be done on episode 24, but he didn't tell Takahashi about it until it was the time to finally pull that twist off because he thought it would work out since everyone expected that kind of twist and he knew Takahashi was working it into the story anyways despite not being told when it would actually happen, though the mid-series twist Takahashi had initially planned was for Baku to fall into an eternal sleep instead of waking up from the premonitory dream.Because Google TL says this:>According to producer Yanaka, the plot development of the protagonist's "precognitive dream" was the idea of scriptwriter Takahashi Yuya . "The first climax of the first half of the series that Takahashi Yuya came up with was, 'Baku's sleep time gradually gets longer, and then he falls into eternal sleep.' Because Kamen Rider Zeztz is based on the theme of dreams, it was expected that the plot would end in a dream, so I think he took advantage of that and thought up the timing to make the biggest impact."
>>23774673This anon >>23774674 probably has it right, it's the most logical explanation when taking the two statements at face value
>>23774639They have no reason to pull the twist a second time, are you people dumb?
Baku not recognizing the moon would imply he's been in the dream his whole life... but I assume it's just residual brain goop.
>>23774653NTA, but that's easy. Enjoyed both and found fun things despite them not being the "best" for the "majority". And idgaf if you say I have an easy taste - had fun watching them so they're fun.Anyways, new OP is way better and I'm actually interested now with this development. The only Takahashi show I truly didn't fully like is Geats, so I'm intrigued by this second ride.
>>23774703Ok enjoy Gavv then
>>23774703Reply to me in the general since this isn't related to Zeztz, but what did you enjoy Gotchard? I get Ghost because I can see the appeal due to the side content correcting a lot of stuff but Gotchard just always felt like it was cucking itself with every good idea feeling half-baked due to everything that went behind the scenes, it's not a bad show by any means but it just feels extremely average and in this case none of the side content really rectified that feeling imo
>>23774301good ep, ep 2 preview makes me excited that we're not wasting so much time on retreading previous plot points.
>>23774301>Where's my milk duds, bitch!
>>23774722Is this episode filmed on the Cinema that closed down or is this another one?
>>23774706Gavv was great you're just a doomer, other than the last episode being weak
>>23774754>Gavv was greatYeah, just like all the other Reiwa shows.
zero-one was mid because of covid restraints
>>23774755Reiwa has been a mixed bag, and I think after this episode there's a chance that zeztz can start getting heated up and more enjoyable
>>23774760>Reiwa has been a mixed bagYou're just a doomer.
>>23774301I hope everyone enjoyed Kamen Rider Zeztz: Prologue because now the real show starts.
is dawn going to be code no. 1 (yet another ex agent with a grudge against code)
>>23774759Why do you keep spamming this despite the most hated parts of the show happening before covid and the staff literally explaining that nearly everything bad in the show happened due to rushed decisions done under pressure?
>>23774765The Kamen Rider Zeztz 2 begins now.
>>23774520>dumb show It's kids show ffs
>>23774774>kids = braindeadplease never have children
>>23774770and why would they be under pressure? think
>>23774780Literally no kid in nipland is even a fraction amount of upset at Zeztz as any of the hyper autists here, much less upset enough to make essays to whine and bitch about it.
>>23774766Dawn uses normal capsems, so the implication is that yes, he was an agent, and that would make him #1.
https://x.com/zhomo11/status/2030511280302555614
The victims of the week got the short end of the stick with this twist. Nem s dad is still a depressing mess, the chef probably close his restaurant, the poor kid is still getting bullied and most likely gave up on being an astronaut, etc.
>>23774784Anon the problems happened literally before covid and they literally said they were under pressure because they had to live up to Kuuga and the first season due to Zero-One being the first reiwa showStop being retarded
>>23774796Baku went all the way back to the end of episode 1/events of episode 2, the victims of the week haven't gone through the events we saw them go through during their respective arcs, so the restaurant hasn't closed down and the kid hasn't given up on being an astronaut yet (and the space center won't be destroyed, so that's a plus for the kid).
>>23774802don't believe your lying eyes, covid did nothing to the show despite them saying otherwise. yes the start was slow and not liked, but I think build up is a thing in shows maybe... or it's all episodic like showa ongod
Is this anon >>23774811 a bot? His posts are legitimately incoherent
>>23774813everyone that disagrees with me is a bot type shi
>>23774813No, he's just retarded.
We are almost r/KamenRider with how much we jerk the Reiwa shows. Not the darling best shows ever!!! (They're mid)
>>23774818????
>>23774301Is this the first time a mainline Toei kodomo toku changes their OP deliberately rather than due to production issues?
>>23774829https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap4qFbP0X9Y
People calling out first half being rendered pointless but Baku just showed off a hell lot of changes he's been through since he started. The moments between him and Fujimi and Nemu highlighted how important the whole 1st half meant to him and the kind of regrets he was carrying through his full on agent crash out. He was spiraling even further ready to keep going it alone until Nemu reminded him what he's really fighting for. It's a nice bit of character writing having Baku cornered and at his low point ready to lock in further only to remember he can still do better and is willing to give that a try again even if he's the only one who really understands the issue.
>>23774833That's just the same OP
>>23774841Nope, it's a second opening just like Kamen Rider AGITO 〜24.7 version〜.
Feels like the Route B scenario from Yoko taro games, or Zero escape stuff
>>23774673The translation on the website is incorrect, the correct translation is:"Other than the Takahashi Yuuya the scriptwriter, director & producer, it's a secret to the staff and cast including Imai & co脚本の高橋悠也さん、監督・プロデューサー以外のスタッフ陣、今井さんたちキャスト陣へは内緒にしていました。
>>23774839That's kind of the problem, the reset only works to Baku's benefit, and his benefit only. The problem with the show isn't him, it's the rest of the cast, Baku's the only decent character and now he's effectively the only one who's had any actual development in these past 24 episodes. The others will just have to be informed of things they never went through unless there's another twist and they merge with their past dream selves or some shit.There's also the issue that Baku effectively hasn't lost anything now, so at most he just had sour experience without any actual loss (outside of Zero's support I guess, but he was missing since the start of the quarter) because he'll now make things go right unlike in the dream.
>>23774833Wasn't this also due to production issues due to first quarter being aimless and the second opening was from when they sort of got their shit together? Or was the decision of the second OP done independently from that?
>>23774866Nope, yours is incorrect, you can put it on any translator and it says it was kept secret from Takahashi. The sentence is structured by naming the 3 parties that this was kept a secret from, all separated by a comma:>脚本の高橋悠也さん、Is Takahashi Yuya-san the script writer.>監督・プロデューサー以外のスタッフ陣、Is the staff sans the director and the producer.>今井さんたちキャスト陣Is Imai-san and the rest of the castAnd>へは内緒にしていました。Is the part where it says that it was kept a secret from the aforementioned parties.
>>23774879nta but it was done independently, it wasn't the usual>the show had production issues so we were forced to change direction to the point it nearly feels like a different show do we now have a new OP to signify thatbut rather>the producer is a fan of toku music so he wanted to show to have OP variants
>>23774868I don't see it as a problem. Their states and relationships have been rolled back but that only undoes the events, they're still who they are before Zetzz got in their lives and they still have their respective baggages to play off and mutate. I think you're viewing from the perspective of a game player and not the audience.For example, Minami not being too shocked at seeing the bike-man and more so at the closet space suggests to me that she's been aware of CODE being in their background but not the extent of it and that shoe is still waiting to drop in the drama. Baku knows not to kill Odaka because how much bad blood it'll put between him and Fujimi and this time around he can probably get Nasuka to convince Kureha to leave CODE. As much as the pieces have been moved back into their starting spots, that also opens up even more story potential for them since it lets the writers play with how they'll react to so and so now that the states are different. Like the other anon said, we got route A and now we're getting route B. Some ideas don't matter now but that doesn't mean they can't still play into the story.
>>23774880The translation might become off because it's a spoken line, so it can be not 100% grammatically correct. If that's really the intention, then they would use 脚本の高橋悠也さん含めて、for Takahashi part, so grammatically he would be included within the staff and cast part.And logically, how is it possible for the scriptwriter to be in the dark as he's the one writing everything? Unless they have 2 writers, where Takahashi only only writes up to episodes 24 and which the other writer knows everything + writes the rest of episodes. But it makes the sentence incomplete as they didn't mention who writes it. Unless somehow the director and producer able to write it themselves.Translator, AI are noy that good to decipher spoken lines properly.
>>23774886Speaking of Minami does that mean her side story doesn't matter now with the reset? I keep forgetting to watch it even though each episode is very short.
>>23774904Why separate 監督 and プロデューサー specifically with an "・", if not to avoid confusion? Why not just use "and" for the three then?>And logically, how is it possible for the scriptwriter to be in the dark as he's the one writing everything?>Unless somehow the director and producer able to write it themselves.The producer is one of the people involved in making the story, and thanks to an interview with Inoue we know that the directors can change, add or cut lines and scenes from the script, without the writer's permission.
>>23774913>thanks to an interview with InoueWhich Inoue?
>>23774914Toshiki.
>Nightmares work by opening three doors to allow them to enter reality>episode 1 has baku get chased through, and consequently open, all of his doors>The first 24 episodes were his nightmare world and it was only when he was defeated that it ended
>>23774886>I think you're viewing from the perspective of a game player and not the audience.No, I'm viewing this from a narrative and psychological standpoint. They are the same people, but they didn't actually live through those experiences themselves, they're just gonna be told about them by a third party unless something weird happens, which lessens their impact. I think that, for shows like these, you should be invested in what the characters feel and go through, and taking those events away from them just because it's "okay" now that the audience saw them happen, doesn't really do it for me. Resets like this only work if there's a bittersweet focus on the good experiences and relationships that were lost as a result of the reset, imo. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.>Baku knows not to kill Odaka because how much bad blood it'll put between him and Fujimi and this time around he can probably get Nasuka to convince Kureha to leave CODENot a fan of it because it's effectively removing the consequences of their actions for the sake of having a safer, happier ending.>that also opens up even more story potential for them since it lets the writers play with how they'll react to so and so now that the states are differentI'm not sure they'll put much emphasis on that since it seems llike they're trying to get the characters up to speed as quickly as possible so that they can continue the running plot without a hitch. The one I think it'll affect the most is Nox, but I don't know, it just feels like a cheap way to turn him into a good guy since he didn't do anything bad at all now, so there isn't much of a reason for the heroes to be mad at him for shit that he literally didn't do and didn't happen.>Some ideas don't matter nowI still see that as a problem, important events just got reduced to mere info so the heroes can prevent them now.
>>23774500Like:-That feeling of "ok, now we go for real"Dislike:- I wanted a timeloop- Catastrom is going to start getting weaker and weaker from now on. I would have preferred Baku to save it for emergencies until he gets a new form. The last chapter made me think Catastrom was a double edged sword, but it seems it will be just another upgrade.
>>23774933Also>Like the other anon said, we got route A and now we're getting route BYou call me out for viewing this from the perspective of a game player, while treating this like videogame routes instead of a show's single narrative and story.
I like what they're setting up, I just hope they can stick the landing.>>23774637Credit where it's due I never clocked that the moon was absent in the 'real world' segments.
>>23774926I checked the episode just to be sure, Baku goes through 4 different doors in his dream (including the one in which he gets dragged by mysterious hands to the Zeztz Room to get his Driver), but only 1 of them had the actual Mind's Door design, so I'm not sure how correct this theory is.
>>23774868>There's also the issue that Baku effectively hasn't lost anything now, so at most he just had sour experience without any actual lossThat seems pretty disingenuous in light of the weight he's still clearly carrying from how badly things went. Baku lost himself in the worst way, and that shouldn't be glossed over simply because he hasn't had a moment to break down over it like Sento (yet).>>23774933>Resets like this only work if there's a bittersweet focus on the good experiences and relationships that were lost as a result of the reset, imo. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.NTA, but your entire point seems to hinge on the assumption they won't focus on the reality of Baku knowing his allies better than they know him. We already see it briefly touched on at the end of the ep right before Baku's talk with Nemu, and I doubt it won't come up again, given the idea of the "lonely Kamen Rider" playing heavily into the series.
>>23774963Mental trauma clearly isn't real.
I guess it's not surprising but I really am disappointed that Zero turned out to be a cunt, I liked his whimsy from the start.
>>23774933>Resets like this only work if there's a bittersweet focus on the good experiences and relationships that were lost as a result of the reset, imo. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.That's only one way to take advantage of it and frankly I don't think we can actually do so for the side cast besides Nemu and she was just used to remind Baku of what he set out to fight for originally despite the relationship loss. The biggest change in that respect is Zero because he genuinely seemed to be invested in Baku as a person and now we have to watch him and Baku at odds with each other because neither are in positions to trust one another now. Playing the inverse towards a more hopeful redirection knowing what we know of Nox's extremist mindset should lead to better catharsis for Fujimi and Baku's relationship with the guy.>>23774936Yes because you highlighted the lost progression as if we the audience didn't get to see it already, that we'd need to retread or skip over that progress and that it was a waste of time. If you've played Taro's games you'd know the routes themselves are different lens used for the whole of the story and that disjointed continuity doesn't hurt stories like these because we the audience already saw what we needed to see in Route A and Route B is still a continuation of main story despite the retcon.
>>23774963>the weight he's still clearly carrying from how badly things wentYeah, but that's it, just a bad experience that he can fully recover from, right down to the lives lost.>Baku lost himself in the worst way, and that shouldn't be glossed over simply because he hasn't had a moment to break downThe breakdown (or the worst part of it, at least) already happened, now he's resolved to get his happy ending.>NTA, but your entire point seems to hinge on the assumption they won't focus on the reality of Baku knowing his allies better than they know him, and I doubt it won't come up again, given the idea of the "lonely Kamen Rider" playing heavily into the series.But that is, again, a thing that works mostly in favor of Baku's character, not the others.>>23774964Every protag goes through "trauma", but only some of them have to deal with the trauma of knowing there are people they couldn't save for the rest of their lives, because it was their one and only chance, and that makes those failures hit way harder.
>>23774977NTA you're arguing with, except Baku didnt fail to save someone. He physically killed a civilian due to his actions of deciding to "break" everything in his path to resuce Nem. Even if it was le dream he has to live with the consequences he was willingly capable of killing civilian code workers.
>>23774976>That's only one way to take advantage of it>Playing the inverse towards a more hopeful redirection knowing what we know of Nox's extremist mindset should lead to better catharsis for Fujimi and Baku's relationship with the guyI just prefer it when they add stakes to the story instead of taking them away. I especially don't like it when the hero only gets out of a serious predicament they found themselves into through a major deus ex machina like this reset.>Yes because you highlighted the lost progression as if we the audience didn't get to see it already, that we'd need to retread or skip over that progress and that it was a waste of time. I don't care if the audience got to see it already, because my main concern is the characters and their current status, and I would rather not have had those defining experiences taken away from them at all.>If you've played Taro's games you'd know the routes themselves are different lens used for the whole of the story and that disjointed continuity doesn't hurt stories like these because we the audience already saw what we needed to see in Route A and Route B is still a continuation of main story despite the retcon.Dunno, I feel like those kind of stories often put too much importance on the plot or the message they want to tell, to the characters' detriment. It only works if the story's really well written so we can see many different angles of the characters in order to flesh them out a ton, but I don't see much potential of that with anyone but Nox, not in a Toku show that's halfway done already and presumably will only be bothering with just this second route that still has Baku as the POV character.
>>23774983>Even if it was le dream he has to live with the consequences he was willingly capable of killing civilian code workers.What consequences? It's just a purely mental and personal grievance that will eventually go away since he's not willing to kill anymore, all his loved ones are there to support him, and he at least knows that person won't die now. Ultimately, he can make up for that mistake, when many others don't even have that luxury. That's why I dislike the resets and resurrections that have become so common in Rider now.
Nuff said
>>23775029This picture is a curse for every show it's edited with, if you didn't know.
>>23774788That applies to every rider show, including the ones you thought were trash
>>23774669>>23774678See you in a couple of months when they do and you try to cope with it
>>23774301CRASHING THIS DREAM WITH NO SURVIVOR
>>23774711>but what did you enjoy GotchardAtropos cute.
>>23774363sex with kureha
Resetting the show sure is one way to save on the budget
>>23775051alright gotchardfag
>>23774500I liked it, seeing a timeloop speedrun is always satisfying.
>>23774301So we can blame Yanaka and not Takahashi for Zeztz being shit? Toei needs more training for their producers.
>>23775168retard
>>23774977Yes. For a hero, a good lesson to learn is that you cant save everyone.But just because its a good lesson, doesnt make it obligatory. not all heroes need to have a tragic moment where those close to him die.Just because nemu's kidnap, the deaths of 5, 6, NOX!, LA SEÑORA and the blockreate children were undone, doesnt mean they didnt happened, they ALL happened, Baku saw them, Baku experienced them, giving him the resolve to make things better.
It almost feels like 3 is the one bossing 0 around, not the other way around.
>>23775213My guess is one sided bad blood between them that Zero feels guilt over. Otherwise they're probably close in command rank but Zero is more willing to bend.
>>23775184>they ALL happenedNo, they didn't. That's literally the point of the episode, all of that is a bad future that can be prevented. You may as well defend every other death revival and reset in previous rider shows, because they "happened" just as much or more than what we saw in Zeztz.
>>23775005>That's why I dislike the resets and resurrections that have become so common in Rider now.This is mainly a Takahashi problem. Saber, Revice, Gotchard, and Gavv rarely revived or reset their character deaths. Some of the villains may have survived certain finishers (and were killed or imprisoned later anyway), but the hero and civilian deaths stuck. It's not that it's common in Rider, but that they bring back the same guy who loves killing and reviving characters at a whim constantly. The only good thing about Zeztz flopping in sales is that they maybe stop doing that now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqVqgZHiDhEThe episode.
>>23775319>GavvSuga>GotchardDropped it early but I heard the grasshopper died and came back?>GeatsSeveral background characters but I can't remember if Michinaga or Tanuki boy actually died.>ReviceHiromi-san>SaberLightning boy. Did Touma or Rintarou die at some point?>Zero OneAll the clankers>Zi-OTime travel so I'm sure it happened>BuildWarrabit destroyed 2 worlds to do so>Ex-aidSeveral riders>GhostRefer to title>DriveShinnosuke>GaimKouta, Melon man>Wizard...wait what? Wizard didn't do it? The show about mages? Huh?>FourzeGentarou>OOOAnkh? Do we count post-series?>WPhillip. Motherfuckers had such a heartfelt ending before that. COWARDS!It's not mainly a Takahashi thing. It harder to think of a rider show that doesn't temporarily kill someone. It's why we're always looking out for flowers.
>>23775319>The only good thing about Zeztz flopping in sales is that they maybe stop doing that now.In a Blade and Hibiki tier kind of bombing?
>>23775336No, just somewhat bellow Gavv - although Gavv was already the worst performing series from the last few years. Still likely will end up significantly above Drive and Ghost when we have actual numbers.
>>23774500I thought it was pretty good. I liked that Baku finally calmed down enough to use his head and realize he could just use Recovery to scam Catastrom out of its drawback. I was expecting him to spend a lot of time dancing around Zero and trying not to let on that he knew what was going on, but no, he just went straight for "fuck you, get out". I actually think it would have been best if he'd come in with Impact and just destroyed Zero without saying a word, but I guess he wanted to give Zero one last chance to get some trust back and Zero blew it by trying to grab the Capsems. I also like that Baku's just jumping straight to explaining shit to everyone as soon as he's in a position where he can provide proof instead of vagueposting. I certainly didn't mind the first half, but I'm looking forward to the second a lot more.
>>23775335>SugaThat frankensteined abominarion that Nyelv made with his corpse isn't really "him", and that thing still ended up dying anyways.>Dropped it early but I heard the grasshopper died and came back?There's like 3 Chemies that "die", but they leave their blank bodies behind so that the scientist can check up on them, so you know they'll fix them up.>Several background characters but I can't remember if Michinaga or Tanuki boy actually died.Ace's current incarnation got killed and resurrected twice, Keiwa was killed by Michinaga and resurrected by Kekera, Michinaga died but got resurrected by the power of the Zombie Buckle, Win was killed by Girori and was then resurrected, Niramu died and revived twice, Keiwa's sister was accidentally killed by Michinaga and then revived.>Hiromi-sanComplete fake-out, never actually died, so he never got revived.>Lightning boyRevealed to be actually alive like 2 minutes after he supposedly died.>Did Touma or Rintarou die at some point?Unless you count the end of the world at the end, not really. >Time travel so I'm sure it happenedThere was a big reset that undid every single death that happened in the show (except possibly a couple of civilian ones that motivated Another Rider plots), correct.>Kouta, Melon manNeither really died, they just suffered fake-out incidents that made you think they might've died, but they didn't.>Ankh? Do we count post-series?He revives in the same movie where they kill Eiji off.>It's not mainly a Takahashi thing. It harder to think of a rider show that doesn't temporarily kill someone. It's why we're always looking out for flowers.Anon isn't talking about reviving just one or two characters, he's talking about resurrecting several of them in a single show, which is most common in Takahashi's shows and is why death feels so cheap in his shows since nearly everyone gets a resurrection pass.
>>23775346Yeah, I don't understand why people say Baku is vagueposting; he's doing the opposite. He says the complete truth, as blunt as it may be, to help people. There's nothing vague about it, he's just saying what will happen to each character in the future word by word. And he's rewarded because of it by every one of his allies returning to him and trusting him.
>>23775353I think most people are joking about it since he's in the same position Nox was at the start of the series. What I'm wondering about is whether or not Nox has gone through a similar premonition dream the way Baku did. Like maybe CODE leaving him to die was him dreaming of a bad end.
>>23775355doubt it...given what Zero and LA SEÑORA said both in the Ep. and the Preview respectively, premonitory dreams seem to be one of the goals of the Zeztz system. With Zero claiming that 'the Zeztz system is finally complete'. this means NOX! never got one of those dreams. he was actually abandoned by CODE.
>>23775355>What I'm wondering about is whether or not Nox has gone through a similar premonition dream the way Baku did.If he ever did, it wasn't at the same time as Baku because this premonitory dream is explicitly stated to have been caused by Zeztz's powers and The Lady says it was Baku who awakened that power in the preview.>Like maybe CODE leaving him to die was him dreaming of a bad end.He still tells Nem that he's someone who's wandering through dreams just like her, so he's presumably still in his dream coma, which means he didn't prevent it from happening, so he most likely did not see it coming.
>>23775353>He says the complete truth, as blunt as it may be, to help people. There's nothing vague about it, he's just saying what will happen to each character in the future word by word. And he's rewarded because of it by every one of his allies returning to him and trusting him.Nox really is a retard.
Realistically, Nox is the one most at fault for the bad ending of the first half.
>>23775335Kys, Duel.
>>23775352Nigga, what does the degree of it matter? If even one character gets killed and comes back that instantly throws out any pretense that other deaths will absolutely definitely for sure be permanent. That goes doubly so if we the audience expect a death to be a fake-out because the narrative and the characters in the story still treat so and so as dead for good. Don't play favorites or the hindsight game, there hasn't been a rider show that respects permadeath since Wizard apparently.
>>23775374Yeah the conclusion Baku should come to is that he should just go and kill Nox before he can hurt ohters.
>>23774341Nah, fuck you, this is incredibly based. Zeztz getting the runback on the bomb nightmare was peak.
>>23775382>killhow can someone miss the point this hard?
>>23775377>If even one character gets killed and comes back that instantly throws out any pretense that other deaths will absolutely definitely for sure be permanent.Not really, because in most of those instances the character deaths that actually ended up being permanent outnumber the resurrections (and usually by a wide margin), not the other way around.>That goes doubly so if we the audience expect a death to be a fake-out because the narrative and the characters in the story still treat so and so as dead for good. Straight up resurrections cheapen death more than mere fake-outs because it usually tells us that, even if someone is explicitly shown to be and is actually dying for real, they can still be brought back later on regardless of anything that happens.>Don't play favorites or the hindsight gameIn Kento's case at the very least it's not even hindsight, he's literally shown to be alive in the very same episode in which he leaves the show. With Suga as well it's not really a resurrection, they just built a mindless zombie with his corpse, which is even officially regarded as a different character, and that thing dies at the end of its 2-parter anyways.But going back to the topic, this is not playing favorites, it's genuinely better if a show revives only a few of its dead characters rather than most of them, because the majority still gets to stay dead. Of course no resurrections at all is better, but if there's gonna be any, they might as well keep that number low instead of reviving just about everyone.You're acting as if just a single resurrection renders every single death meaningless, even in cases where most dead characters stayed dead at the end instead of being permanently revived as if that didn't make a difference, and that's genuinely disingeuous.
>>23775401Given Takahashi's track record, Nox will at some point do a post-redemption fuck up that will be huge enough to retroactively justify the idea of killing him, even if that goes against the point the show was making.
>>23775383Upvoted! fr fr
>>23774520This is a deeply stupid and overly literal read of the episode.The point isn't the exact premonition. It's that he has enough info and power to even the playing field. The first half of the show focused mostly on Baku and giving info about the PAST of the supporting cast.
>>23775492>This is a deeply stupid and overly literal read of the episodeIt's not, he just thinks more about the implications of the reset than you do, while you choose to ignore them and pretend everything's fine just like the show wants you to.
>>23775499>The most kneejerk interpretation possible is "thinking deeper."Uh huh.
>>23775501The most kneejerk interpretation is just cheering for Baku because he got a free pass to do things better while keeping every advantageous element he had, even though he didn't even put in work to make this reset happen, it just happened accidentally.Thinking deeper about the implications is realizing that some victims of the week might be screwed because the cases of the week that got undone helped them get over their personal issues, realizing that the characters of the second half other than Baku really aren't the same people as the ones from the first half because they didn't go through the same experiences, and that they made nearly half the show a slog and walked back on many of the interesting developments from the past few episodes (reducing them to just useful info and power-ups for the MC) for the sake of this one twist that isn't really that smart nor original.
>>23775527You're taking the most literal possible reading of what's happened and going "Here's why that's bad" with the most boilerplate observations possible instead of engaging with what the show is actually saying and doing. Which is why, when next episode does an abbreviated recap of the story so far, your very real concerns about "victims of the week getting screwed" will magically disappear, replaced with some pithy whining about "wasting time" in a 40+ episode show or some other equally weighty criticism, just like how my pointing out that critiquing "uhhhm, he already changed the future?!?" is fucking retarded has had zero reaction from you.You aren't arguing honestly.
>>23775537>You're taking the most literal possible reading of what's happenedYes, anon, if you just rolled with everything a show threw at you without stopping to think about it for a second, no show would ever be bad or poorly written to you.Yes, Geats might ignore that Michinaga was a willing mass murderer whose victims are still dead for the sake of making you feel sympathy for him, but I don't ignore it no matter how much it wants to pretend that never happened. Or let's look at the fact that Daichi is technically responsible for everything bad that happened in Geats because he did some extremely retarded experiments, but nobody gives him shit for it simply because he's a good guy now.>Which is why, when next episode does an abbreviated recap of the story so far, your very real concerns about "victims of the week getting screwed" will magically disappearRecapping the events isn't the same as actually going back to help each and every single victim of the week. This is why I don't like resets, they often create issues like this one.>replaced with some pithy whining about "wasting time" in a 40+ episode show or some other equally weighty criticism,Wasting half the episodes of the show just to give the protag useful info and power-ups is a lot.>You aren't arguing honestlyI am, you just want to pretend there's no issues here, because the show obviously doesn't want you to think it has any, every show does.
>Rita posted about and promoted HIM on her IG stories a week before she debuted in Zeztz>m-masaka... c-could this be a hint?WWYD if he were actually Dawn, bros?
>>23775564He's a good actor, I just hope Dawn is a character with an entertaining personality like Five, because Six really isn't.
>>23775553>Yes, anon, if you just rolled with everything a show threw at you without stopping to think about it for a second, no show would ever be bad or poorly written to you.That's not what I'm saying at all and I know you know that.
>>23775583>That's not what I'm saying at all"Engaging with the show" is just a fancy way of saying "just roll with it, don't ask too many questions".
>>23775564they're just fucking anon
>arguing with the shitposting schizoare you people new to the internet
Catastrom's bulkiness is growing on me. Unga bunga form
>>23775614Who's the shitposting schizo, the one you personally don't agree with?
>>23775564it would make this show feel even more complete. Rcules is bestest
>>23774647It's stalling because Bandai needs Orderm's TV debut to synergize with magazines
>>23774911You should watch it, there's critical happenings in it
>>23775787such as?
>>23774520>Not a fan of Takahashi's writing, but that he wasn't even told that on the very show he's writing is very telling of how this was a decision purely made for shock value.It's such an obvious mistranslation that it hurts that you somehow believe that this is the case.>which means any character development and relationship didn't happenIt's almost as if the entire episode repeatedly showed that Baku will have to rebuild the relationships and deal with changes in their developments, specially the guilt he felt over killing Odaka and straining his relation with Fujimi beyond repair>as all of it was completely meaninglessBaku's own development? Did you even watch the episode? Episode 1 Baku would act completely different. I don't understand Takahashi haters who don't even pay attention to the show but criticize the writing anyway>The concept of "preventing my dream from coming true" is silly, as Baku in this very episode has already changed it I thought the flashbacks to Nem being captured and Nox, 5, Kureha, The Lady and Baku himself dying made it pretty obvious what part of his dream he is trying to prevent, not the exact chain of events that lead to this happening.
>>23775893>It's such an obvious mistranslationIs it, really?
>>23774661>>23774674The original japanese text>物語の半分で夢オチすることは企画立ち上げ当初から決まっていたのですが、脚本の高橋悠也さん、監督・プロデューサー以外のスタッフ陣、今井さんたちキャスト陣へは内緒にしていました。>The twist that half the story was a dream was planned from the beginning, but it was kept a secret from everyone in the cast and staff except the writer Yuuya Takahashi, the directors and the producers.
>>23775893>I don't understand Takahashi haters who don't even pay attention to the show but criticize the writing anywayCome on, anon, it's not like Zero-One and Geats were actually well-written.
>>23775900Do you actually know Japanese? Or did you just throw it into the machine translator that got you the most convenient translation? Why is Takahashi separated with an "、" while 監督 and プロデューサー以 are separated with an "・"?
Will Orderm also come with a condition like Catastrom, as in, if Baku doesn't stick to creating/building something, the transformation will defuse like that one time?
>>23775902Because>脚本の高橋悠也さん、監督・プロデューサー以外のスタッフ陣、今井さんたちキャスト陣 Is three items in a list>脚本の高橋悠也さん(Takahashi)>監督・プロデューサー以外のスタッフ陣(staff except directors and producers) >今井さんたちキャスト陣 (the cast)
>>23775606No, it means arguing based on things that are actually relevant instead of trying to CinemaSins it.
>>23775904I assume it won't so that he can use after the final form gets introduced since Zeztz's final form will be releasing earlier than usual like Gavv's
>>23775912Which means Takahashi didn't know, dumdum
>>23775918"Relevant" meaning only the things the show wants you to focus on, whatever they sloppily shove under the rug doesn't matter, right? I guess you've "engaged" with every single show you've watched and didn't see anything wrong with any of them, right?
>he kicked his bike outNO MORE BIKE ACTION FOR YOU
>have premonition that he's going to die Baku is not going to die again, right?
>>23776104Orderm is going to be him fully merging with the Nightmare to survive, isn't it
>>23775931No, I mean critiquing the real world physics would be fucking retarded, as is the "HMMM, BUT THE EXACT FLOW OF EVENTS IS DIFFERENT, I AM VERY SMART' shit. That's not relevant: the show is not talking about that. You have to intentionally misconstrue what was said to get there.Notice how you're going broad now instead of specific, trying to lead me away from the initial srgument. Because if you actually said this in relation to the show, I could get into which things you're saying are and aren't relevant and why. You want an excuse to close the loop and "win" an internet argument, not discuss the show.
>>23776132>I mean critiquing the real world physicsThis is not critiquing "physics", this critiquing how well written the narrative is.>That's not relevant: the show is not talking about tharWell, if the show is actually well written it will talk about it instead of shoving things under the rug, since those things are actually not unimportant details because they were literally focused on at some point in the show but the twist retroactively changes everything about them now.>Notice how you're going broad now instead of specific, trying to lead me away from the initial srgument. Because if you actually said this in relation to the show, I could get into which things you're saying are and aren't relevant and why. You want an excuse to close the loop and "win" an internet argument, not discuss the show.I already listed several specific actual and potential issues the reset brings, and your only fucking rebuttals after the last detailed post have just been "hurr durr CinemaSins", "this is not what the show is trying to tell" and "you don't engage with the show", so don't come here and blame me for "going broad", "leading you away from the initial argument" and "trying to close the loop to win an Internet argument" when that is exactly what YOU have been doing.
>>23776466>"Going 'HMMM BUT IF I TAKE THIS ENTIRELY LITERALLY' is retarded because we're not talking about that.">"HMMM, BUT WHAT IF I TAKE YOUR EXAMPLE LITERALLY?"Impressive levels of faggotry here.Gives up the game, though. Nobody is stupid enough to think this argument is actually about physics. Shame that you're a disingenuous shit.
>>23776478The only disingenous faggot here is you, the one who derailed the conversation away from the impact the reset had on several specific aspects of the show just to go "muh CinemaSins mentality!!!!" and "this shit doesn't matter even though it mattered before, the show doesn't want you to think about it now, so don't do it" while having the fucking gall to blame me for it. Fuck you, faggot.
>>23776522Really hard to derail a conversation one post in. Sounds more like you're asshurt. You keep trying to avoid>The point isn't the exact premonition.being the start of the argument, because you can't deny it.
>>23776552>Really hard to derail a conversation one post in. Sounds more like you're asshurt.Keep denying it all you want, this conversation didn't go off the rails until you gave up doing actual counterarguments and just repeated the same three short non-arguments over and over again. So if you want it to get back on track again, go back to >>23775553 and give a proper, extensive response, because otherwise it just looks like you gave up halfway through.>You keep trying to avoid "The point isn't the exact premonition"I already told you, time and time again, that I'm not going to simply take the stance the show wants me to just because. It has to actually put in the effort to not create any major holes and discrepancies in its writing, and this isn't some CinemaSins "the background chair moved positions in the next shot, that's why this movie sucks" tier criticism, it concerns the plot and the characters the show focused on.And I fucking bet you don't pull this "just engage with the show" shit with shows you dislike.
>>23776610>this isn't some CinemaSins "the background chair moved positions in the next shot, that's why this movie sucks" tier criticism>>23774520>The concept of "preventing my dream from coming true" is silly, as Baku in this very episode has already changed it completely by confronting Zero, spoiling things for people, and saving the detective early on. It's already a different future, so mission accomplished from the get go. If his fear is preventing agents dying and Nem from being captured, that is a possibility that can happen regardless of his dream. If I have a premonition that my family dies in a train accident, so I make them avoid trains for as long as I can, only for them to die in a hiking accident, I didn't fail my premonition just because they died; that's just something that can happen.This is literally the exact same kind of pedantic nonsense.The show is not saying "Baku needs to stop this exact series of events from playing out." It is saying "Baku is trying to avoid these outcomes that he saw in his dream." You don't get to "nuh uh" your way out of what you already said, faggot.
>>23776624>You don't get to "nuh uh" your way out of what you already saidThat's not my post, I made it clear since the very beginning, and while I don't agree with every single thing he said or view things exactly like he does (yes, I'm fully aware that the end goal of this second half is to prevent the bad things that happened in the first one from happening), I think he does have some valid points about the reset and you made a general criticism of the whole post instead of just one specific part of it, so reply to the points I made myself or shut the fuck up, you projecting retard.
>>23776663You hold my posts to a standard where the intent is not sufficient: for calling the argument dumb, I am accountable for dissecting anon's entire argument, top to bottom.Meanwhile, I'm supposed to take everything you say in good faith when your first response was "Ahem, erm, you simply haven't tried THINKING hard enough." and it's a failing on my part to be dismissive of you in response.Also you're TOTALLY not samefagging, you just REALLY like anon's ideas.Shut the fuck up, kid.
>>23776104he dies as a human but becomes Nightmare incarnate. at the very end, he both is and isn't Baku, and both is and isn't Agent 7. he becomes God and Guardian of Nightmares and Dreams. basically dude will be OP and immortal.Yes. You heard it here first. Screencap this.
>>23776675>You hold my posts to a standard where the intent is not sufficient: for calling the argument dumb, I am accountable for dissecting anon's entire argument, top to bottomYou tried dissecting the arguments I made when I elaborated on why I called you out, briefly, until you gave up. You're doing the exact thing you're accusing me of, trying to find any excuse you can to "nuh uh" your way into winning the argument, by laser-focusing on one point of anon's post I did not make as some sort gotcha.>Meanwhile, I'm supposed to take everything you say in good faith when your first response was "Ahem, erm, you simply haven't tried THINKING hard enough." and it's a failing on my part to be dismissive of you in response.If it hurts your feelings that much, don't take it in good faith then, delude yourself into thinking I never made any post elaborating on any of the points I made about this reset.>samefagging accusationsThis reeks of desperation. No, I'm not him, we don't even format our posts the same and I disagree on the part where he says Baku has accomplished his mission already, but I do agree with a good deal of the points he made.And if you stop to think about it for just 2 seconds, there's no need to samefag at the very start of the conversation which is when I made it obvious I was not him, because you didn't throw the exact quote from that post of his against me until much later in the conversation, when you gave up responding to the points I personally made and elaborated on.>Shut the fuck up, kid.You first, retarded faggot.
>exactly half of the series rendered completely pointless with a soft retcon because Takahashi wrote himself into a cornerFour fucking shows now and there are still people who think he isn't a fucking hack
previous anon obviously not paying attention with a bad faith take. It was the main series director and producers' decision to make that twist. Takahashi just has to adjust to changes and write things as it progresses. He was kept in the dark for the most part and he had a completely different idea for Baku based on the initial story pitch.
I sort of think the story is kinda meta in how it basically explains Nox's line of thinking and creates multiple Nox anon with their "no stakes and nothing matters" attitute.Not to say it's a good kind of writting and basically everyone and their mama expected this twist from the start of when Nox was introduced.
>>23776750*attitude*writing*or when Nox was introduced
>>23776736>still butthurt for a literal kids showShut the fuck up, kid.
>>23776763>kids showNot an argument.
>>23776750I still don't understand how anyone could feel that way when the current setup has potential for really interesting interactions between Baku and Nox now.We still don't know the full details of Nox's personal experience, but we have a better understanding after seeing what Baku went through. Baku himself has a better counterpoint to Nox's loner mentality after seeing how their behavior lead to so many tragic deaths. And they still haven't even properly met. It may not turn out that way, but it's a good setup for really great high concept drama.
>>23776699Nah there's just no way
>>23776877This episode effectively confirmed that Nox was a complete retard all along, and yeah, of course it's way easier for him to get redeemed now that he's done nothing wrong and Baku has the power to prevent him from doing anything wrong.
>>23776892>hes still doesn't get itsometimes I wish my autism was this bad
I feel like the whole "the entire first half of the series was just a premonitory dream" twist wouldn't feel like such a cop out/retcon if it didn't take up the entire first half of the series. Now you've had 25 episodes of character development and change that has been rendered basically moot for everyone but Baku. Granted the supporting cast wasn't very strong/fleshed out to begin with, but at the same time now there's this implication that a number of even good things that Baku resolved during the dream never actually happened and will never happen.
Did they somehow switch Nox' character midway of the show or something?At the beginning he's the "one who knows all" and then he kinda becomes the guy who has no clue.
>>23777024You're not funny, Noxfag.
>>23777256Noxfags are the shitposting anon with "nothing matters, everything is a dream and has no stakes, why bother" though, exactly like how Nox himself acts.
>>23777256What I don't get is why would anyone i.e. >>23777024 be a fan of this character?
>>23777262He said it himself, he's autistic.
>>23777260Except Nox wasn't even aware it was a dream, he committed atrocities because "it had to be done" while putting on a sad boy face.
>>23777292You know of CODE's secrets, the thing that Nox kept vagueposting and doomposting about that made him okay with destroying the world without batting an eye?
>>23777292Anon, the interview from way earlier with the staff mentioned that we should keep watching, Nox's actions will eventually make sense when we reach the halfway point, which is now (which, by the way, basically confirmed the twist that everyone saw a miles a away, but still hoping that is not the case).So yeah, what makes you think he isn't aware that he is in a dream? Especially with all of the cryptic's dream wanderer bullshit he kept spouting, and like you just mentioned, "it had to be done"?The question you should be asking is "Is the current real world actually reality, or is it something along the line of [are you a butterfly or a human] mindfuck inception bullshit, with the strange emphasis on the moon in this episode?", or "Are we going to see an episode of multiple loops speedrun in Butcher style in the future?"
>>23777292>doubling down on it
>>23777324*saw miles away
>>23776699Takahashi stop dropping plot threads on 4chan
>>23777324>The question you should be asking is "Is the current real world actually reality, or is it something along the line of [are you a butterfly or a human] mindfuck inception bullshit, with the strange emphasis on the moon in this episode?"Anon, that was some of the most basic bitch visual storytelling there is. They called attention to the moon, and then showed a shot of the moon being a perfectly normal full moon instead of the CGI dream moon, specifically to establish that they're not doing multiple loops and this is the real waking world.
>>23777324Never trust what the staff of the show says about the quality of their own show, or do you think Revice's second half was actually good just because the staff kept hyping it up?>So yeah, what makes you think he isn't aware that he is in a dream? The fact that he's surprised that Baku has this amount of knowledge and power already instead of having a calm reaction that implies he was already expecting all of this. It was explicitly Baku's premonitory dream, not Nox's.>Especially with all of the cryptic's dream wanderer bullshit he kept spoutingThis is just his way of saying he's stuck in a perma-sleep coma that forces him to wander through dreams like Nem.>and like you just mentioned, "it had to be done"?Yes, he's an extremist, extremists do anything to achieve their goals.>"Is the current real world actually reality, or is it something along the line of [are you a butterfly or a human] mindfuck inception bullshit, with the strange emphasis on the moon in this episode?"They put emphasis on the moon to explicitly show that this was the real world because it had a normal moon. The directors created the red moon as a way of showing when a scene took place in the dream world, and were careful to never show what the "waking world" moon looked like during the entire first half until Baku got killed in order to reveal it was all a dream all along.>>23777325Shut the fuck up already, Noxfag.
>>23777339Huh, yeah, I thought I saw the same white moon multiple times, but now looking back, it's that weird shape, just with the normal color.>>23777340>Never trust what the staff of the show says about the quality of their own show, or do you think Revice's second half was actually good just because the staff kept hyping it up?Never said anything about the writing being good in case you haven't noticed I mentioned that already>>23776750 , the point is pretty clear, they set Nox up and they delivered exactly just like they said, quality aside.>The fact that he's surprised that Baku has this amount of knowledge and power already instead of having a calm reaction that implies he was already expecting all of this. It was explicitly Baku's premonitory dream, not Nox's.Guess using the word "aware" is a bit wrong, "think" seems to be more correct. I mentioned he thinks the world he's living in now is a dream/ not reality does not mean he has the exact same experience or power as Baku with the looping dream thing>This is just his way of saying he's stuck in a perma-sleep coma that forces him to wander through dreams like Nem.Or so you think, then comes his bad dream last words.>Yes, he's an extremist, extremists do anything to achieve their goals.Yes, and you know exactly the reason behind his goal?No, him being retarded is not a reason, it's his characteristic.>They put emphasis on the moon to explicitly show that this was the real world because it had a normal moon. The directors created the red moon as a way of showing when a scene took place in the dream world, and were careful to never show what the "waking world" moon looked like during the entire first half until Baku got killed in order to reveal it was all a dream all along.They did show the moon in the waking world from the spy room, it's just white instead of red, with the same weird shape.
>>23777366Forgot pic
I can't stop laughing about how the end of the loop got largely determined by regular ass guns.
>>23777399A bunch of dudes killing each other one minute and then teaming up in the next is peak Takahashi. >>23777211
>>23777366>the point is pretty clear, they set Nox up and they delivered exactly just like they said, quality aside.Delivered how? His actions don't make sense and don't come here pointing out that he knew he was in a premonitory dream all along because this whole episode points out to him not knowing.>"think" seems to be more correct. I mentioned he thinks the world he's living in now is a dream/not reality does not mean he has the exact same experience or power as Baku with the looping dream thingHe's not being literal, when he claims the world is a nightmare, he's saying it's fucked up because of CODE's cruel actions. I don't think he's a literal schizo who thinks everything is a dream even when it isn't, he has never claimed his actions have no consequences and he looks sad about doing them sometimes, honestly the idea that he's a schizo like that would just make him look even worse and more retarded. >Yes, and you know exactly the reason behind his goal? No, him being retarded is not a reason, it's his characteristicHis goal doesn't matter, the first half shows us that his constant retardation would've just led to his faction getting offed and CODE winning.>They did show the moon in the waking world from the spy room, it's just white instead of red, with the same weird shape.Yeah, the dream moon is white in episode 2 but it still has the unnatural shape (the white color was possibly just an error), and the Zeztz Room has always been this weird in-between space that was created from Baku's mind and wasn't been properly explained yet, so there's some ambiguity on whether it can actually be considered part of the "real" world or not. But the point is, the staff said that the weird moon was an indicative of scenes that took place in dreams, and they said themselves that they made sure not to show the moon during scenes that explicitly took place in the "real" world until Baku's death.
>>23777399Don't forget the random banana peel causing Minami to crack her skull open.
So latest info reveals why Nox was the way he was in the first round. While the whole thing was a precognitive dream for Baku, a lot of it was also influenced by his subjective thoughts and experiences and what he knew or could remember at the time of each episode. For example, we only saw Zero's face at the end of the first round because that was the point when Baku actually remembered so much more about CODE. Going back to Nox, he was deliberately that much of a vagueposter not just because he was trying to make Baku realize things and get him to quit out of whatever kindness he had for his former student, but because Baku literally couldn't remember anything about Nox for the most part, so that dialed up Nox's vagueposting and asshole behavior to 11. It was the absolute worst case scenario that could have been reality, but some things being partly influenced and obfuscated by Baku's own subjective feelings and biases as things progressed in the precognitive dream scenario.This also somewhat explains why Nox in round 2, the actual real life outside the dreamscape, is a bit nicer and more direct towards Nemu-chan. The real, Round 2 Nox was never that much of a vaguemaxxer as Round 1 Nox. So expect a Nox that is much more likeable, /krg/ be damned.
>>23777713>So latest info revealsWhat info? Is this info going to be in the show?
>>23777766TTFC interview about eps 1 to 3 but talked a lot about eps 24 and 25
>>23777399Shit tends to go down when they brandish actual guns
>>23777781So is this a recent interview? Any transcription or summary of it anywhere? Though if they don't make it clear in the show itself, it's gonna make them look pretty bad.
>>23777038>now there's this implication that a number of even good things that Baku resolved during the dream never actually happened and will never happen.I'm pretty sure that implication is intentional. Even the new theme alludes to it with the "Never be the same as dreamed" line. It's tragic, but it also adds to the importance of achieving a better outcome, even if it's uncertain how much better or worse things become.
>>23777877It'll be intentional if the show actually points it out, it'll be bad writing if just ignores it.
>>23777038But realistically, is there anything that Baku did in Chapter 1 that would be all that bad if he hadn't intervened? Assuming that he pulverizes the Nightmares like in this episode, I can't think of anyone that would be too affected. Chef dude will have to make the sauce instead of his pupils, rich girl just has to suck it up and board her flight, producer guy will have to be sad for a while but that will go away once Nem comes back.
>>23777881I mean they technically already did in this episode. Baku destroying the Bomb Nightmare so early meant that no explosions occurred, which means the police had no reason to believe in the existence of Black Cases, leading to Fujimi losing his job.
>>23777882>Chef dude will have to make the sauce instead of his pupilsHe can't, he's legitimately ill and not just because of the Nightmare, and the problem is that he does not trust in his pupils' skills in order to let them take over the restaurant after he retires.
>>23777884That's just one case pertaining to a recurring character, there are many more victims of the week that need to be accounted for. And for Fujimi things weren't so bad because Baku approached him so he can continue his Black Case investigations.
>>23777891>THIS SHOW HAS TO RETREAD EVERY SINGLE MONSTER OF THE WEEK TO SHOW CHANGES OR I'LL HAVE AN AUTISTIC MELTDOWN EVERY WEEK GOING FORWARD.What the fuck is wrong with you? The show finally has a direction and you want it to waste even more time?
>>23777899This is a problem the show created for itself by doing victim of the week 2-parters and then a reset after so many episodes. They don't even need to spend multiple episodes on the victims of the week again, just acknowledging their current situations post-reset instead of ignoring them would be enough.
>>23777884>Baku destroying the Bomb Nightmare so early meant that no explosions occurred, which means the police had no reason to believe in the existence of Black Cases, leading to Fujimi losing his job.Funny how this also affected Miami's client as he didn't have to rely on carbord jokes for his shows.
>>23777910There's nothing to even imply the other victims of the week were even "real", Fujimi's was the only active one before Baku "woke up", the rest could've just been only part of his half-year-long dream.
>>23777991It was a premonition, not an entirely made up dream. Baku didn't meet the vast majority of the recurring cast until after he woke up from his first fight, and those clearly aren't imaginary people.Also the Bomb Nightmare didn't become active until after Baku woke up, there were no bombings before that and the scene in episode 2 where the moon turns red is supposed to symbolize the moment in which the Bomb Nightmare was created.
>>23777713How did he learn about Zero and Nox prior to the dream?
>>23777713To me it felt that way because of a possible layer of the CODE brainwashing garbling the messages, which made 7 and Baku feel disconnected, with 3, 5 and 6 as examples of when they're too far gone
>>23774301Damn. Nigga looks buff.What's his training routine?
>>23777038>25 episodes of character development and change that has been rendered basically moot for everyone but Baku.Who the fuck got any of that ASIDE from Baku? The audience got information about these characters, but none of them changed for shit.
>Scroll through thread>Someone fell for the sperglord's nonsenselol
The absolute madmen did it, they totally did it...the Oronamin C commercials will feature both Baku and Nox... the motherfucker whos only reason he wont obliterate the planet with a meteor strike this time is because he didn't got the chance....What are they thinking!!!?Seriously, is it that hard for toei to understand that takahashi wrote a monster and that he doesnt deserve to be a hero? Even Dirty Dan had more right to wield that title because at least his endgame goals could be considered beneficial to mankind, as utterly demented as they were.
So, what's the point of the lesbian subplot?
>>23778864>Two close childhood friends>Yuri shitters instantly think they are lesIt's so tiresome.
>>23778869No normal childhood friend is going to fall to their knees and rush for revenge just because they heard their friend was killed.
>>23778877You must have no close friends then, sorry to hear that. Next, you'll say Fujimi is hard gay for Odaka due to how hard of a time he gave Baku whenever he blames Nox for the nightmares.
>>23777784https://www.reddit.com/r/KamenRider/comments/1rqjd1i/translation_of_kamen_rider_zeztzs_ep13_audio/
>>23778013Don't know about Zero since it could be a twist later on, but Odaka was Baku's teacher in the cram school.
>>23777713So you mean to say that, the NOX! We met from Part 1. Might not be really an asshole in the real waking world because the asshole we have been forced to tolerate COULD be Baku's subconcious view from him?Ok... Not gonna call you a liar, but do you have links to that proof? Because if true, that might be one hell of a copout.
>>23778902>>23778893So copout it fucking is... 15 or so eps ago, we dealt with an asshole who wanted to destroy the planet in an act of extremist terrorism. But it turns out he would totally never do that. I guess expecting for baku to still fight him and refer to the meteor strike aint happening.Also: it turns out the dream spirit lady that led Baku to the Zeztz room in ep. 1 has no meaning... I am starting to feel this second half is kinda gonna suck.
>>23778855>takahashi wrote a monster and that he doesnt deserve to be a hero>buffa is fine>ouja is fineJust a dream/nightmare bro
You can't redeem a fucker who was more than willing to and actually attempted tp destroy the fucking world with a meteor strike but damn is Takahashi going to try
>>23778880If Fujimi was straight he would be making moves on Nasuka instead of obsessing over Odaka.
>>23774301what the fuck is that suit lmao, should i watch this
>>23779069An absolute unit.
>>23779069Nah, half of the show is just a dream the MC had.
>>23779074It's literally like a visual novel or jrpg with a bad end and you get to do NG+ to get a new outcome. Your brain is fried by tiktok and reels
>>23779088Not even like that, the Nox in the first half is not the same character as the one in the second half, essentially confirmed by the staff themselves. Baku is literally the only worthwhile character in this entire show.
>>23779092The fact that it was a precognitive dream scenario meant things that happened in the dream could very well have come to pass. Just because the actions or personality of Nox in Round 1 were partly (say, 5-10%) influenced by Baku's own feelings and biases doesn't mean the Nox of Round 2 couldn't have made the same choices (killing 5 and 6, allowing or wanting a meteor to destroy a whole city, etc). It's just that Baku this time is making largely different choices and is given a headstart with foreknowledge, a degree of maturity, and a stacked capsem inventory. That in turn makes Round 2 Nox, besides being the real and slightly different one, make largely different choices and behave much differently towards Baku and everything else.How is that any different from a visual novel or JRPG with different paths and endings?Ofc discussing this any further is pointless since you are clearly reading the producer interview with bad faith out of some autistic hatred for this show. This is your last (You)
>>23779062Man is dedicated to his job and doesn't believe in work relationships. Fujimi regrets not believing Odaka about dream monsters, which is why he's so focused on saving him, as he feels he owes it to him. >>23779069>half of the show is just a dream the MC had.You see, Zero, I had a dream, NO, a Nightmare! I realized it was no dream, but a premonition
>>23779092>Nox in the first half is not the same character as the one in the second halfI will now watch your show's second half.
>>23779248>Baku's own feelings and biases doesn't mean the Nox of Round 2 couldn't have made the same choices (killing 5 and 6, allowing or wanting a meteor to destroy a whole city, etc).This only happened because dream Nox vagueposted way too hard, and we know he was only that much of a vagueposter because it was the dream version shaped by Baku's biases and lack of info about the dude. And we won't even get to see the meteor shit because Baku prevented that Nightmare from existing.>How is that any different from a visual novel or JRPG with different paths and endings?This doesn't translate 1:1 to those shitty videogame mechanics, because Baku is dealing with more reasonable, less exaggerated versions of the characters he met previously. This is why Nox's actions made no sense, because Baku's biases literally warped how his dream version acted.>Ofc discussing this any further is pointless since you are clearly reading the producer interview with bad faith out of some autistic hatred for this show. This is your last (You)Says the pussy bootlicker defending cheap and lazy choices just because they resemble the low brow media he consumes, and dips out when people mention how poorly done they are to keep his view of the work intact.
>>23779062Nasuka is like half his age.
>>23779766And? She's not underage.
>>23779766Fujimi is only 35.
>>23779786That's practically geriatric by Japanese standards.
>>23779361>...And we won't even get to see the meteor shit because Baku prevented that Nightmare from existing. This part really pisses me off, from the interview they are implying that the 'Real' NOX! Would never do any of the crap he pulled off in 'the dream' even if he had the chance, that he was a good guy all along. And that is bullshit after all he did.All im asking from the series is that Baku is still distrustful of him, mentioning the meteor strike and the blockreate disaster, and beating him up accordingly, even if NOX! (or rather, Okada)'s answer is something on the lines of 'i wont pretend i know about the horrors you went thru, but i swear i would never do something like that'. I just want them to address the fucking planet-sized elephant in the room for GODDAMN ONCE in takahashi's history.
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>>23780751Seems like a hollow achievement when it's due to one anon sperging that the show doesn't meet his lofty standards.
>>23780823Says the fag who kept replying.
>>23780855Kept (you) awake, huh? Only retard expecting some god-tier writing in a kids show, let alone some western standards upon itThis isn't Game of thrones, this isn't Breaking bad, this isn't the Godfather, or LOTR, this ain't no Scorsese movie eitherITS A FUCKING JAPANESE KIDS PROGRAMThey have no obligation to write such compelling stories catered to filthy adults like you, end of story
>>23781191>Only retard expecting some god-tier writing in a kids show, let alone some western standards upon itI'm not expecting either, ESL. But Takahashi really likes biting more than he can chew.>ITS A FUCKING JAPANESE KIDS PROGRAMNot an argument.>They have no obligation to write such compelling stories catered to filthy adults like youBut they do anyways, Takahashi in particular really likes doing "complex" stories.
