>the Titans were completely destroyed because this idiot couldn't keep his mouth shut
Yep. If it weren't for Jerid, UC as a whole would have taken a very different path.
Jerrid had a knack for fucking up when it counts the most
Never make fun of a man with a woman's name.
I really like Jerid. Probably my favorite character in Zeta behind Quattro
Can't find the bit with him recruitable in a modern SRW and him and Kamille still have understandable gripes with one anotherBUT he does at the very least apologize for making fun of Kamille's name>>23781155Unironically why, I'm genuinely curious, and might have even asked before
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>>23781192He just does a good job for me as a rival/foil for our MC. He starts off getting swatted away pretty easily by our talented protag, then as time goes on he has his own arc where he gets better and forms relationships of his own. Towards the later end of Zeta he's pretty regularly keeping Kamile on his toes and even comes close to killing him on a couple occasions. I found myself really satisfied with Jerid's story by the end of Zeta. He was always fun to watch and he got some of the best fights in the show. I wasn't upset by his death or anything but it did feel kinda bittersweet. He deserved it, obviously, but he was always interesting to watch.
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the best boyfailure of UC.
>>23781209Does Jerid ever apologise for killing Kamille's mum? Would've thought that would be the bigger outrage
>>23781192>Clone HighBeen a long since I last saw that series.
>>23781246In the full scene the two of them basically agree that they can't apologize for killing people, because that's not something you can pave over with an apology, so they settle for what started the whole feud.with that said in Zeta, Jerid did apologize to Kamille for his mother, but he did it in an manner that also gave kamille a verbal cheap shot in the process.
>>23781814he truly was the AEUG's greatest hero
>>23781246>>23781809Yeah, Jerid is an enormous ass when he gives his fake apology, but Kamille retorts with a snide "it's okay, I know you were just a basic bitch nobody who couldn't help but follow orders" that hurts Jerid's pride.
>>23781200No yeah, it was you, yeah fair enough. He's a seething bastard but has a lot of the same arcs as Kamille and you could easily have had a show from his perspective against the terrorists. You or someone pointed out how he seemed to be a legitimate believer of the cause and that the Titans would make things okay as well.>bittersweetHis sad loser death received zero fanfare or closure and I think that was probably the point. Not even buddies like Astionage in CCA get closure in the misery of war, but if you're consumed by revenge and killing, then yeah that's going to be the death for you.I'd get at least one kit for him but all of his mobile suits are ugly though...>>23781209>>23781246>>23781809I got to this scene before finishing Zeta, it would have made me warm up to him a lot more. It's very fun and very easy to hate and shit on Jerid but he's been through his fair share of dogshit>>23781960But they're also both incredibly stubborn and prideful people, oh holy shit>Katz is a version of Kamille that never grew up>Jerid is a version of Kamille that gave into hatred and rage
>>23781984Kamille also gave in to hatred and rage though.
>>23782101Every kid gets one free pass
>>23782101scirocco and yazan decided to go after kamille and char tho
>>23781984that's the best part of Zeta, seeing all the foils and counterpart comparisons that make the characters feel like they had a purpose in the narrative.
Zeta is such an absurd show when you think about it.
>>23782101he didnt "gave" in, he used them, he use his hatred and rage to make a better world, thats kinda a point in Zeta (as a antithesis to 0079) you cant live only on reason and logical thinking alone, nor only on feeling and pure empty, you should use your reason to channel them and make a better world.Kamille at the start of the series he didnt care about the universal good, he only used the AEUG and the gryps incident to rebel against his miserable life, the same way jerid didnt care about others he used his force (given by the titans) to remain privilege and "happy".
>>23783902No he literally gave in, that was the point of him getting mind broken in the show, by the end of Zeta, Kamille had reached a point where he was just done with everything and he's right, because realistically things should have never escalated past Char's Dafar speech. But it's when Wong then contacted Haman that the fighting is just allowed to continue further. That's also why Kamille felt extra hatred towards Haman and especially Scirocco. He understood this shit will keep going until those two are so he handled the immediate problem and killed Scirocco after he spent a good deal of the last few episodes juggling immense amounts of pressure and stress disorder.
>>23782101>>23783902>>23783951Joke response aside, I felt it was "we can't let this cycle of misery continue, but no, this genuine evil also has to be wiped off from this earth" + Paptimus doing a magic psychic attack that surprisingly didn't even need to be that strong imo, on account of Kamille having gone through so much shit and had so much loss and grief on his shoulders. So then Paptimus is the embodiment of all the problems and horrible kinds of people and thoughts we've seen throughout the show>the same way jerid didnt care about others he used his force (given by the titans) to remain privilege and "happy".To his defense, I do think he legitimately believed in the Titans to an extent, I think it's when he's fucking things up in Dakar that he says that the Titans will make a stable or better world or other
>>23781071I dreamt about Jerid last night.
>>23784171You must be one of his many dead exes
>>23783951>that was the point of him getting mind broken in the showI thought the point was that people will suffer even if it is for the greater good. That is just how society and history are built. It is the exact same point as the sacrifice of all those pilots during the Axis drop in CCA. That is one of the main reasons behind Char's shift in CCA. its the inherent cruelty of humanity and the whole sacrificial lamb concept.>To his defense, I do think he legitimately believed in the Titans to an extent, I think it's when he's fucking things up in Dakar that he says that the Titans will make a stable or better world or otherTrue, that is why I specified at the start of the series. Like you said, Jerid can actually express his beliefs in a logical way. But it is clear that the whole Titans ideology is just a method to rationalize their lifestyle and preserve the status quo. Jerid matures, but sadly he was still a prideful slave in the end
>>23781199Jerid defender hereHe died explicitly because he DID scoreWhile he served as Kamille's foil on the war front he was Char's foil on the whore front.As Char was seeking to avoid responsibility Jerid was pulling first rate pussy like no one's business and it fueled his complex
>>23784442It was third rate pussy and Kamille killed all his bitches
>>23784446>It was third rate pussyImagine being this jealous you can't bag a bitch who wouldn't jump on Scirocco's dick the second he glanced sideways at her
>>23784446so you're admitting it was pussy
>>23784446Who in Zeta is first rate pussy? Emma? Bel? Surely Tomino made a chart.
>>23784464Emma, Four, Quattro, Fa and Rosamy
>>23784471Quattro is four times the pussy that the rest of the zeta girls could ever hope to be.
>>23784475And the dirty slut is saving it all for Amuro.
>>23784459I love Jerid so much, frens.
>>23784337>I thought the point was that people will suffer even if it is for the greater good.Not in Kamille's case. Kamille towards the end of Zeta after four die when they were beginning to understand themselves as Newtypes desiring a lifestyle way from the conflict, he'd began getting really tired of the fighting and falling into the rut of his life now will just be super special newtype pilot, that's it. That was why he latched on to Rosamie because he wanted her to be kept out of the fighting as a way of validating to himself that there was more to being a newtype than just fighting and then dying. That ultimately failed so he begrudgingly accepts it or at least he accepts he's just gotta survive until it's all finished. But never ended Naturally. The war just kept going well beyond it's endpoint. The Titans didn't fucking stop and were brought in to be disbanded by the feds after they literally lost all legitimacy. Haman just riled up Zeon again for round two of the OYW. Kamille basically so all this as the goalposts being dragged further and further away from him and it just all got far beyond tiresome for him. It's why he's always shown to be the who genuinely agreed with Char the most. Char's whole philosophy on how the AEUG's message was basically "How about we just leave earth focus living in space so we literally have no reason to try and kill ourselves needlessly over the planet. This is also why he shares that same sentiment Char had about Haman and was like fuck that bitch.
>>23784680I agree with what you're saying, but I don't see how that rules out what was said earlier, kamille can be tired from the war and still fight because he still thinks that the AEUG and Char's vision (as you said) is the right thing to do, even with rosammy, yeah is what you said but it also the fact he didnt want any more sacrifice (no more incidents like four's), yeah is true that war was even more meaningless than before, thats why it should be ended now more than ever.
>>23783951same anon as >>23783902I forgot to mention that the whole discussion between Kamille, Katz, and the spirits of all the girls is direct proof that he didn't give in. It is an actual discussion because he is still rational. Even Four's ghost says that the Zeta Gundam "put those power to use", His emotions, his anger and sorrow are literally its fuel. "why do you keep thinking with your head alone?"
>>23784700Kamille was not rational at that point. He was beyond his breaking point psychologically to the point he almost killed himself subconsciously by taking off his visor in space. He was overextending himself in the fights, because he had no self-preservation instincts left, and his speech was borderline incoherent.>Four's ghost saysAll high level Newtype stuff is cursed as fuck. It's space magic that makes people go crazy and die.
>>23784715>he almost killed himself subconsciously by taking off his visor in spaceIt’s quite clear that Kamille wasn’t entirely mentally sound or free from stress, but to claim that all his behavior surrounding these final episodes was completely irrational is to downplay some of the series’ most compelling moments, such as his own response to Haman in the theater.>and his speech was borderline incoherent. Obviously, if you don't understand and deny what he's trying to say, it's “incoherent,” but to me it's pretty clear. I'm not saying you're wrong about it (though that's what I think), but rather that the way you're putting it is a circular argument.>All high level Newtype stuff is cursed as fuck. It's space magic that makes people go crazy and die.You say that as if Lala and Amuro’s encounter hadn’t been an expression of deep, loving understanding.Or as if the Psycho Frame incident in CCA weren’t the same thing.Even in Zeta, the interaction between Haman and Kamille wasn’t madness. it was an attempt at communication, albeit a failed one.
>>23784693>>23784700The reason why I say he cracked is because you get shown alot of times where he's trying to keep it together but the pressure gets to him and starts to slip out. These moments often, like Kamille umpromptly opening his visor in space, are meant to show you just how close the edge he is mentally in that last battle, yet they'll get dismissed and misunderstood. Like I've seen another anon claim that that moment was supposed to be Kamille intentionally doing that to shock Emma back into focus, but she's literally that last person who would need that kind if thing she's always handled battles the most rational of the group, next to Char. Another thing about the last battle of Zeta that gets misunderstood is Jerid's final fight with Kamille, where people think that Kamille just effortlessly swatted Jerid away because he was over him and had more important things to worry about. What that actually was was just an example of chaotic nature of a battle general. It was meant to be shown that it doesn't matter how important you think you may be or you think one may be and an actual war you could die from literally anything in any possible way. That message gets overlooked so much still though, it makes just Jerid come off as ultimately pathetic jobber. In hindsight for the Zeta movies they should have redid that last fight with Jerid and had him die in an actual choreographed battle. But my whole point is to say he didn't given does disservice to all the tension that made the last episodes so emotionally impactful, this is why people think the ending of Zeta's abridged movies doesn't really hold up to the ending of the TV series.
>>23784723>It was meant to be shown that it doesn't matter how important you think you may be or you think one may be and an actual war you could die from literally anything in any possible wayIt sounds like I'm repeating myself, but I don't see the contradiction. It can serve multiple purposes; you're just saying how it can be interpreted, but you're not explaining why it can't be interpreted any other way.Jerid was killed in the chaos of war, something that could happen to anyone, yes, and, at the end of the day, he was just a nobody who died as nothing more than a pawn of the system.
>>23784723>meant to show you just how close the edge he is mentally in that last battle,So what you're saying is that everything Kamille said, those deep, coherent thoughts about her perspective on the themes explored and portrayed in the series, was just filler meant to convey Kamille's state of mind, and nothing more?Art aims to be provocative and communicative. I don't understand why people can't accept that Kamille actually believed, to a certain extent, everything he said, and that he was also struggling due to stress and recent trauma.
>>23784726>but I don't see the contradictionThe contradiction is that because Jerid died like a bitch at the last fight. People forget that Jerid was extremely competent as a pilot and he nearly killed Kamille like numerous times, and what I'm saying is that because that misinterpreted last bit, it's basically overwritten everything prior to reflect the misinterpretation. In Kamille's case, when you misinterpret him and take away from that that he was just kid looking to rebel against the oppression of the titans abusing thier power, You basically forget that things about Kamille like him immediately wanting to quit after the stunt he pulled with the MKii, him clinging to all these women for a pity replacement mother, because he couldn't really cope with how his actions basically got his mom killed, him irrationally putting the emotions he has for certain enemies before any of his responsible duties as soldiers etc. Basically you end up erasing the actual character growth that was there and replace it with something else to fit the misunderstanding you taken to until.
>>23784729>So what you're saying is that everything Kamille said, those deep, coherent thoughts about her perspective on the themes explored and portrayed in the series, was just filler meant to convey Kamille's state of mind, and nothing more?No I'm saying even though he said those deep thing he was still on the verge of spiraling. Him spitting deep and insightful worldviews and perspectives doesn't exempt him from being under threat of a mental breakdown.
>>23784732Sorry pal, but I still don't see the supposed contradiction in either Kamille's or Jerid's case. Kamille used the MKII to blow shit up and rebel against his miserable life because he was just a teen. And like any person with a brain, he wanted to quit after his mom was killed. You don't have to cut out a part of the character to get the basic picture (i said "at the start of the series" after all)>The contradiction is that because Jerid died like a bitch at the last fight.He died like a soldier without any fanfare, and the show communicates exactly that through its presentation. Yeah, you could say it shows the "inherent craziness of war". But it would be pretty stupid to build up a character for 50 episodes just to kill him off to communicate the exact same shit the original 0079 did in its first episode and nothing more. The craziness and sadness of war was already an established fact. It was the baseline used to develop the themes and characters of Zeta, CCA, and three-quarters of 0079>>23784736i agree with you then but i still dont get why you used the mental breakdown to downplay all said by kamille in >>23784715I feel like you're reducing the series to its most basic elements, exaggerating the characters' psychological traits for your own convenience while ignoring the show's communicative aspect.
>>23785179>but i still dont get why you used the mental breakdown to downplay all said by kamille in >>23784715 #That was another guy agreeing with me and we are actually saying is that when you say that by the end of the series things like Kamille didn't give in and cave to mental breakdown even when the shoes ending clearly shows you he did. It's actually you who who downplaying the tonal weight of the show. Again we aren't saying Kamille didn't really believe in what he fought for, we are just saying the pressure was getting to him really bad and by the end it really did get to him. That's the point of the tradegy.
>>23785214>we are just saying the pressure was getting to him really bad and by the end it really did get to him. That's the point of the tradegy.Then I don't see your point, since I never said anything to the contrary.
>>23785230>Then I don't see your point, since I never said anything to the contrary.Then what was >>23783902 and>>23784700 then?
>>23785237I don't see where I imply that Kamille wasn't under stress. You can be emotionally distressed and still be rational, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
>>23781071In an alternate timeline where Jerid was the one who ended up surviving Gryps 2 and gets found by Judaus crew, how do you all think that would pan out? You think he would be satisfied finding Kamille as a vegetable?
I always wondered if Char ever felt regret on what he did to Kamille? Pushing him over the edge, using him as a tool to further his own ambitions. For a guy who believed that the next stage in human evolution belonged in space with freedom. He certainly took someone emotionally unstable and did everything wrong. Or on the opposite side is it that Char was always a selfish asshole who ruins the lives of everyone he has ever interacted with?
>>23785287Mooching off teenagers is Char's side hobby, so no he probably didn't feel regret
>>23785287I think Char meant well and was doing his best
>>23785475I don't think even Char thought that
>>23785484Wasn't he legitimately doing his best and trying to be vaguely responsible in Zeta
>>23785475That was Quattro.
>>23785490Remember when he brought two kids onto the Argama in an active war zone and then dumped them on Fa to take care of them?
>>23785494That too>>23785498Oh absolutely. His "best" sucks at times and is completely baffling at other times, like with his treatment of Reccoa, but compared to living for revenge or living for nothing like in 0079 or CCA, I think Zeta/Quattro was when he was like, legitimately putting in some effort to be a good person and move on and etc. But he's also a difficult character to understand, or at least is someone who inspires a lot of different readings about him
>>23785501Then Axis shows up and everything goes to shit. He beats up Kamille for real and gets Reccoa shot by his ex. It is inspiring.
>>23785287>I always wondered if Char ever felt regret on what he did to Kamille?There's this excerpt from Hi-Streamer "Char! You were alive after all!?""Hah! As if I'd lose my life in a fight with a woman like Haman Khan!" Char's voice dripped with disdain."You're one to talk! Surely you haven't forgotten how you drove the young boy Kamille Bidan to madness!""Vulnerability isn't a virtue, Amuro! Look at the masses! Look at the bureaucrats! Do they go mad? No matter what happens, they remain composed and survive! Those who romanticize vulnerability as a virtue, often because of their innate talents, find themselves swallowed by these very masses. That's the harsh reality!"You can either take what he says at face value and conclude he didn't care or see it as him putting up a wall and acting stoic to steel his resolve.
>>23784464Objective Zeta pussy list (Tomino approved)1. Emma2. Four3. Haman4. Mouar5. BeltorchikaHonorable mentions: Fa, Sarah, Lila
>>23785789I'll go with the latter. Char at his core is a miserable person who really doesnt care about those around him. Everyone, his sister, Lalah, Kamille. They are all just his stepping stones for him to reach his goal At the end of the day all thats left is Amuro and he just drags him down to death with him. Sure, he might have seen Kamiile as a pupil, maybe even a friend. Especially when Amuro was able to talk him down during the AUEG-Karaba opererations. However, at the end of the day. Char has only ever cared about one person and one person only. Himself.
>>23786087In the Beltrochika's Children novel both Bel and Nanai are pregnant, right? It makes me wonder how Amuro and Char would actually be if they ended up becoming fathers. Would Amuro end up aloof like his own dad, would Char just fuck it up like all relationships in his life, or would they both learn from these mistakes?
>>23785507This but unironically>He beats up Kamille for realAs part of the bit, but yeah it did look like it hurt>and gets Reccoa shot by his exAnd never ever ever visited, which even a regular human being acquaintance would dobut it's not like he felt good about his absolute spergout meltdown over seeing Hammy-ham either. I think there's a difference between describing him as>manipulative person who doesn't care about his peopleand>genuinely tries his own best to care for and be there for people, but can't see others without seeing them as something in relation to him, doesn't always know what care looks like or what sort of care is appreciated, will end up coming across as abandoning people since none of this good person shit is something that comes natural to him
I don't know why you guys find Char that hard to grasp. I just think he's rather lazy>>23786092Char is implied to be a loser in BC because he died alone without leaving a legacy, having no family
>>23789242Zeta Gundam is the prime example of why Yas is one of the greatest character designers in all of anime. Even some the greatest classic designers and mangakas end up with same face syndrome. Their faces get too cartoonish or lacking actual variety and a facial structure reminiscent of real humans (or they are too realistic). But the facial variety and level of detail in Zeta is sublime. The designs are still "moe" and cartoonish to some degree. Even ugly people or not the most handsome guys are amazing to look at. Obviously, This is not the case with Jerid. Both he and Kamille are conventionally handsome, but in a completely different way.
>>23781071I wish the manga where Jerid is holding Quattro's leash as he's forced to work for the Titans because they have Sayla at gunpoint wasn't just a oneshot thing. That and Gihren's Greed games are how you do "What If?" correctly instead of whatever garbage Gcucks was.
>>23789242heehehheheheheheh hoohohohheheheh hot guy (evil) oohhhaahh
Happy 72nd birthday to Jerid's voice actor, Kazuhiko Inoue.
>>23789627>Even some the greatest classic designers and mangakas end up with same face syndrome.Origin suffers from this.
>>23793686isnt as bad as some people make it sound but yeah, his peak was from Zeta to F91 aprox
>>23785287>I always wondered if Char ever felt regret on what he did to Kamille?100%. Look at the end of episode 48 when Kamille tells him that Newtypes are meant to kill each other. Char looks devastated
>>23794728Was trying to find it out of curiosity, and did I watch Zeta with dogshit subs (I'm pretty sure I was watching the same translation), because he said something incredibly unrelatedhttps://youtu.be/CZ0dtZV0weY?t=1328ZZ's subs are occasionally dogshit as well, and I already checked three batches of Zeta only to find that the subs were all identical, where do I find the good subs
>>23785287if CCA was good, it would have explored this
>>23785287There's the cutscene in one of the games where he sees Kamille and Scirocco's duel and that's kind of the thing that pushes him over the edge into CCA Char
>>23797467and senses Kamille getting mind raped, specifically.>>23785789This scene is recited almost word for word in a UC engage cutscenehttps://youtu.be/m9UWxAhu4Zw
>>23782101>>23784166Kamille doesn't go after Scirocco because of hatred. That's the entire reason why Sarah listens to Katz and stops protecting him - he is just one person whose ambition fucks up the entire world and that's why he needs to die.
