>>23785145
That’s kinda the point why such technology ended up being “erased”. Although the titans did wind up planning much more monstrous machines like the Full armor queenly and other TTT machines

>>23785145
Not canon.

>>23785145

Funnels can just deploy point blank against the generation field of the I-Field, rendering it useless. From a distance it could still block damage, but the GP03 would still be outmatched. The O would struggle though, given its pure focus on beams and trying to close the distance on the GP03.

>>23785145
Psycho Gundam is literally Dendrobium but better in most significant ways.
Go look how Titans used it against Zeon- oh right lol

>>23785242
Psycho is slower, needs a Cyber/Newtype, has only beam weapons, and is just a giant suit.
Dendo is faster, has more weapons, can be used by normal people, and is a flying fortress

Psycho is a better Big Zam, not Dendo

>>23785261
I'll give you the speed, yes. But a proper functional final production Dendrobium would need a Cyber Newtype to operate it as well. The thing is just too damn complicated to be used effectively and reliably without Psycommu assitance. Kou was a cracked ace AND a massive nerd that understood the inner workings of the machine on a level normal pilots don't and he was still pushed to the very brink while drugged up just to stay conscious. That's exactly the sort of things that Cyber Newtype super soldiers are built to handle because normies cannot.

>>23785274
>while drugged up
That was just Mentos.

>>23785145
Wunderwaffe don't win wars

>>23789606
They win contracts,which is the entire point of wars
So yes, they do.

>>23789681
Yeah that worked out really well for Germany and Japan, didn't it.

>>23789686
They didn't have any actual working wonderwaffe.

>>23789686
They never got anything fielded to show off to the review boards.

The B2 is a literal wunderwaffe, and this entire Iran bullshit is basically one big marketing push for it (and it worked), so it has already won this war. Whatever happens now is inconsequential to the billions (trillions with extensions) of dollars for decades to come that have already been secured. War is and always has been about taking spoils, and that's exactly what wunderwaffe accomplish.

Just look at how much wealth has been won by the Atomic Bomb wunderwaffe over the past 90 years.

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>>23789699
And that is why I recommend mass producing the wonderful woundwort wunderwaffe, it can become anything you want from a standard mobile suit type succeeding the hizack proper to the ultimate mobile armor beyond the psycho gundam or Dendrobium! It is perfect!

>>23789699
Have you skipped some days on the meds, anon?

>>23789716
But can it hold my hand and snuggle with me and tell me that I deserve to be happy and that everything will be okay?

>>23789813
Yes, but that costs extra.

>>23789826
...how much? And who am I paying for that?

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The upgraded Dendrobium loses to the upgraded the O and the upgraded Qubeley, therefore the normal Dendrobium would lose to the normal variants as well.

>>23789830
Is this how power scalers think?

>>23789834
It's basic math. If 2A < 2B + 2C then A < B + C.

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>>23789830
>upgrade
More like imitation.

>>23789835
Oh my god you really do lmao

>>23789840
It transforms that means it's better.

>>23785145
the fuck do you mean? Scioroco and Haman would wreck this thing. It performed horribly in close combat and any competent ace pilot would have destroyed it especially with Haman and Scioroco.

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>>23789830
A pale imitation

This is the real successor to GP03
>Smaller
>Faster
>More firepower
>Sentient AI

>>23789877
they're not even designed for the same missions

deep striker is meant for hit and run on targets inside enemy territory, dendrobium was intended to stay in an area and hold it down, tangling with enemy warships and mobile armors, and suppressing entire squadrons of enemy MS with heavy fire. it's like comparing a strike fighter with an air superiority fighter, sure there's -some- overlap but they're specialized for different missions

>>23789877
This thing in SD Genesis is scary strong. Perhaps the strongest unit besides Hot Scramble Zeta

>>23785145
Sexy

>>23785238
>Funnels can just deploy point blank against the generation field of the I-Field
Funnels are good against slower mobile suits, but don't have the speed required to keep up with the raw thrust of the Dendrobium.

>>23785274
>Kou was a cracked ace
No he wasn't. Kou was simply lucky that his commander liked him and kept him as Dendrobium pilot. His girlfriend was also the Anaheim Electronics liaison. So she pulled strings to keep him as pilot. Its all nepotism.

>AND a massive nerd that understood the inner workings of the machine on a level normal pilots don't
Most pilots are very familiar with their suits.

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>>23785145

>>23789877
God please I want Sentinel animated
Or even a manga

>>23785261
The Dendrobium is extremely maintenance heavy. It requires massive amounts of resupply with all those rockets and missiles.

The AEUG can't afford to keep something like that fully supplied and running. Remember that AE was nagging the AEUG about basic resupply costs. They even told Char that the Hyaku Shiki was too expensive and that he should be grateful to have it (even though the Shiki was a leftover prototype they had sitting in storage).

The Dendrobium only has one range beam weapon. If it's damaged then the Dendrobium has no range beam weapons. The rest are rockets and missiles which will be used up fast.

The Psycho Gundam was more advanced and better suited to fight to AEUG. It had so many beam weapons for redundancy. It had an I-field, and didn't need a lot of resupply.

>>23790583
Meteor chan GANBARAE

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>>23790605
>The Dendrobium only has one range beam weapon. If it's damaged then the Dendrobium has no range beam weapons
Wrong

>>23791427
Bro....you can't be serious. You expect that puny pea shooter to hurt the Psycho Gundam can you???

>>23791431
whoa whoa whoa who decided they were fighting each other?

this was supposed to be a jerkoff of specs

>>23791427
There's just one problem. If the Dendrobium is firing that small rifle, then it can't use the big cannon since the big cannon needs the gundam to aim it.

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>>23791449
just switch hands nigga, like when they animated this scene with the beam rifle accidentally in the left hand but didn't have time to mirror it so they left in the blooper

>>23791451
Can this Gundam aim two beam rifles at once? I thought it was limited to one beam rifle at a time.

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>>23791459
GP03 is so boring in the franchise that one of the ways they try to spice it up whenever they are forced to include it, is to have it dual wield JUST to make it more different

or you know, just aim one at a time if you can't handle both

>>23791451
Can Gp03 multi-target while dual wielding? Or does it just shoot the same target with 2 weapons?

ah, yes. The cougar-poacher.

>>23790579
You don't understand anything, do you?

>>23792220
Pretty sure the GP01 does it while on Earth, so I don't see why the GP03 can't.

>>23785145
>be Anaheim Electronics
>Dendrobium was damaged
>LINE GOES DOWN
It's so fucking over.

>>23790579
Literally who else other than kou could have piloted the dendrobium
Only he had both the mechanical knowledge and prior experience fighting with and against gp series units to learn and master that clusterfuck of a machine in a short period of time, not to mention he was powered by intense seething at gato
You think fucking monsha could have used it???

>>23785274
>Kou was a cracked ace
You what, mate? Did you actually watch 0083?

>>23792835
What do you mean? There is no such thing as a dendrobium. Now get back to work on our secret puppet organization project. It's gonna make us huge profits.

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>>23790579
>No he wasn't.
Power level rankings in anime are silly, but if we want to be objective about anything, they say his piloting data had the highest rate of anyone thus far.

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>>23792972
OVA scene

>>23792856
>Literally who else other than kou could have piloted the dendrobium
Every other ace pilot on the Albion.

>>23793129
Burning was dead at that point. All the other pilots on the albion are monsha tier

>>23793178
Monsha almost beat Kou 1v1. And Kou only won because he was using a Gundam in their duel, but Monsha had to use a GM.

So I'm not sure what you mean by "Monsha tier".

>>23792972
- If Kou was so good, then why was he getting his ass kicked when he was piloting that Zaku against the GM during the beginning of the series?

- If Kou was so good, then why did Gato kick his ass? Kou jumped into Gp01 to defend the base, but Gato in Gp01 was whooping him badly.

- If Kou was good, then why did he need any training at all? Why was Burning able to beat Kou repeatedly in training battles? Kou should be able to instantly be the best right? After all he has the highest "pilot data"! Lmao.

- Theoretical "pilot data" is useless if the pilot dies. What if Gato just decided to kill Kou in the early part of the story instead of running away? I guess Kou dies, but at least he dies with the highest pilot data!

>>23792859
Clearly you haven't.

jesus christ why are you people such braindead detritus of society? what made you this way?

>>23793227
What a waste of a thread space. Post something useful or don't post anything at all.

>>23792972
0083 had two different anime directors. The first director wanted a mecha action story similar to Hollywood's Top Gun. Bandai was worried that the story didn't have enough depth. So they fired the original director and hired a new director. This second director wanted to add a lot more drama, emotion, and romance. He's the reason why there's suddenly a love triangle between Kou-Nina-Gato. And why suddenly everything changes half way through the series.

>>23793226
He was not a 'cracked ace'. He was a fucking test pilot who never saw actual combat prior to the beginning of the series and, while he gained experience chasing after Gato (who WAS a 'cracked ace') and GP02A, only managed to survive his encounters with him by the skin of his teeth

>>23793364
>He was a fucking test pilot who never saw actual combat prior to the beginning of the series
Kou was also a fresh academy graduate if the 0083 databooks are to be believed. Barely a rookie. Gundam does this weird thing where it thinks test pilots are young rookies with no experience. In reality, Test pilots are often the most experienced pilots in the entire air force. Many fight hard to become test pilots to try out the latest or most classified gear. In many cases, The Airforce usually only picks pilots with families to touch classified equipment. That way there's less of a chance of the pilot defecting with the technology, or putting his family at risk.

>>23793387
One detail i appreciated about Macross Plus

>>23785145
I-Fields are only good against grunts. It's why psycho-gundams pretty much always put up a shit performance in the shows. Good pilots never get held up by I-Fields for long.
GP03 in general is designed as a grunt slayer, it is outclassed by the Neue Ziel in one-to-one combat because it's meant to wipe out hordes of Zakus and Doms.
Neue Ziel is absolutely hax though, it doesn't seem to be much weaker than the Alpha Azieru from a full decade later. Sure it lacks funnels, but it's also much more manoeuvrable. The thing wipes out battleships for fun AND is a solid pick for dogfighting? Crazy. I bet Axis were pissed that Gato got the thing destroyed just out of a vain, prideful attempt to be the one to kill Kou, who he really had no reason to hate.

>>23793387
Gato specifically tells his crew in episode 1 not to get sloppy because test pilots tend to be among the most skilled. But the show is definitely taking the stance that there's no replacement for actual combat experience, which the Gato/Delaz/Cima's men have in abundance.

>>23793396
>Neue Ziel
What a beast of a mobile armor

>>23793396
The only major difference between suits shown (in CCA vs Zeta era) is top speed and response time.

I would imagine stock Neue Ziel would put up a fight, but would probably have trouble tracking targets. And a lot more suits have thick anti-beam coating on their shields. So a Jegan would be like an annoying bird boosting around the Neue Ziel and would require multiple hits to destroy the Jegan due to the shield having anti-beam coating.

If Neue Ziel got a refit with the latest technology and software, then it would be a huge threat to Jegans and Londo Bell.

>>23793400
It's a catch-22. They want "test pilots" to be good, but want Veteran pilots to be massively better. Which doesn't make sense between Monsha and his team are all Veterans of the the One Year War. They all fought at Solomon and Al Boa Que in hellish conditions. But 0083 tries to say they are a joke. Strange.

>>23793433
I forgot about Monsha's backstory. He's not Gato level, but Monsha should definitely be far above Kou and Keith.

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>>23793475
>>23793433
>>23793426
They really just could never fully lean into the "experienced veteran pilot who doesn't need to go through a training montage or be the underdog" protag, they need to keep the shonen story structure no matter what

I don't blame them, adult competent heroes just don't draw dimes

>>23793520
It's probably why Tomino was so frustrated with Bandai. He wanted to use older and more experienced pilots and characters. But Bandai kept wanting younger and younger pilots to milk the Shounen trope.

CCA is the probably best we would ever get. Everyone is already an experienced pilot in that movie. Tomino even wanted to Amuro to already be married and potentially have a kid during the movie. But Bandai said absolutely not. They thought it would make Amuro uncool.

>>23793528
>But Bandai said absolutely not. They thought it would make Amuro uncool.

To be fair, that WAS the point of Beltorchika's Children. You have a rusty Amuro who's struggling to return to the battlefield. So, it's not like Bandai wasn't right about that considering the context of Tomino's full plot there, not just whether he was married or not.

>>23793528
>Tomino even wanted to Amuro to already be married and potentially have a kid during the movie. But Bandai said absolutely not. They thought it would make Amuro uncool.
Is that what Bandai said? Way I understood it was, Tomino wanted him to knock up Beltorchika, Bandai said that, if he did that, they'd have to be married. You know, family values. Tomino said no, he wanted them to be living together but not married. So Bandai rejected the whole premise

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Brb jerking it out to the idea of dad bod Amuro.

>>23785145
I-fields don't do shit if the funnel is inside the barrier.

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>>23793520
Am I a joke to you?

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>>23793579
Yeah, adult protagonists aren't shit, even in Gundam.

>>23793396
>GP03 in general is designed as a grunt slayer, it is outclassed by the Neue Ziel in one-to-one combat because it's meant to wipe out hordes of Zakus and Doms.

Agreed. Although I seriously question why the Dendrobium was equipped with gigantic beam sabers? It seems like massive overkill just for Zakus and Doms.

The Federation fought Zeon mobile armors during the war, and none of them had any beam sabers. So I can't understand why the Dendrobium would have them. The Federation would have no reason to add them. I would think they would just add more missiles or beam rifles.

Seems a bit contrived that Kou just happen to have gigantic beam sabers to counter Neue Ziels large beam sabers. Even Gato's first reaction seeing the Dendrobium fight was "wtf?"

>>23793745
>The Federation fought Zeon mobile armors during the war, and none of them had any beam sabers. So I can't understand why the Dendrobium would have them.
nigga that's like saying "zakus don't have beam sabers so it doesn't make sense to give the gundam beam sabers"

I already know you didn't watch the show because you don't know that the GP03 uses them to destroy enemy ships without needing to use missiles

it's literally one of two times it was ever used and you don't remember a damn thing? unlikely

>>23793364
Surviving a fight against a Zeon ace with no prior combat experience is supposed to be impressive. 0083 is Kou speedrunning his growth to an ace pilot in the span of a few episodes.

>>23793195
Monsha is relatively speaking a chump. If he was so much better than Kou then he should have beat him in a GM like he thought he was going to, instead he lost to Kou who barely went through two battles at that point while Monsha is supposed to be a veteran.

>>23793215
If Amuro was so good then why didnt he beat Char at the beginning??

>>23793777
>nigga that's like saying "zakus don't have beam sabers so it doesn't make sense to give the gundam beam sabers"
But Zakus still have Axes.

>I already know you didn't watch the show because you don't know that the GP03 uses them to destroy enemy ships without needing to use missiles
So the purpose of the giant beamsabers is to fly directly next to enemy ships point blank and hit them with a beam saber thar almost as big as the ship itself? That seems like massive overkill and very risky. Just shoot he ship with a beam cannon.

>>23793780
>Monsha is relatively speaking a chump. If he was so much better than Kou then he should have beat him in a GM like he thought he was going to, instead he lost to Kou who barely went through two battles at that point while Monsha is supposed to be a veteran.
The real question isn't why Monsha lost. The real question is why Kou wasn't using a GM? Weren't they both arguing about who should pilot the Gundam and who is the most skilled? Therefore shouldn't both of them use the GM and fight it out? Why is Kou using a Gundam.

>>23793780
>If Amuro was so good then why didnt he beat Char at the beginning??
I think anon was making fun of the flimsy excuse the anime uses about Kou having the best test data or whatever that means.

Regarding Amuro, I don't think anyone ever claimed he was the best. In fact Amuro didn't even want to pilot the Gundam. White Base was so short staffed that Bright had no other choice. Amuro had to pilot it.

Amuro tried to refuse, but Bright had people throw Amuro in the Gundam. There's even a scene where Amuro has a mental breakdown from all the battles and doesn't respond to words anymore and just sits there in his room. What does Bright do? Bright says, "Just put Amuro in the Gundam anyway. He will snap back to reality when he's in battle." Then Bright orders the Gundam to be launched with a mindbroken Amuro in the cockpit.

>>23793785
Monsha thought that he was so far above Kou that he could win even with a handicap. How did you miss that?

>>23793789
That was Amuro in the middle of the series. The point is that by the end of the story Amuro is one of if not the best MS pilot in the war, even though he started off a normal civilian. The same applies to Kou who goes from rookie with no experience to ace who can keep up with Gato. >>23793215 is being ridiculous by acting like Kou not being good at the beginning somehow means that he isnt good ever even though the progression of 0083s story is literally built around him getting better as a pilot.

>>23793784
>But Zakus still have Axes.
and a shitton of zeon mobile armors have claws

>So the purpose of the giant beamsabers is to fly directly next to enemy ships point blank and hit them with a beam saber thar almost as big as the ship itself? That seems like massive overkill and very risky. Just shoot he ship with a beam cannon.
So the purpose of the beamsabers is to walk directly next to enemy zakus point blank and hit them with a beam saber thar almost as big as the zaku itself? That seems like massive overkill and very risky. Just shoot he zaku with a beam gun.

>>23793808
>Monsha thought that he was so far above Kou that he could win even with a handicap. How did you miss that?
Kou should have insisted and used a GM. Just like how Kou was an idiot and refused to use a GM when the Gundam wasn't space ready and got the Gundam half destroyed.

>>23793817
You are missing the point being made here. The original Gundam was designed with the idea of having to fight Zakus in hand to hand combat because Zakus specifically engaged in close combat with Heat Hawks and heat swords. That's what drove the invention of the Federation beam saber. The Feds had a reason.

But what was the purpose of the giant building sized beam saber on the Dendrobium? What was the motivation in creating the gigantic beam saber? What was the reason the engineers said, "We NEED this GIANT building sized beam saber! It's Essential for this suit!". Zeon was defeated. The only enemies left were scattered pirate bands of old Zakus and Doms. Maybe an occasional Gelgoog if you are lucky.

>>23793789
Amuro wasn't the "best" at the time but he was the most qualified to pilot it of all the people on White Base because of his familiarity with his father's work and his background. When Sayla tried to pilot it she couldn't do jack while Amuro was good enough out of the gate to leverage it's power to take out generic Zeon pilots even if skilled aces were beyond him at that point.

>>23793745
>Agreed. Although I seriously question why the Dendrobium was equipped with gigantic beam sabers? It seems like massive overkill just for Zakus and Doms.

Ship killing maybe?

>>23793851
Kai could do it. He piloted Guncannon pretty well.

>>23793581
Domon is barely an adult, he's only 20. He still does stupid and reckless things due to his youth. He's hardly the grizzled veteran soldier people seem to want

>>23793857
I'm pretty sure at that point Kai's piloting was just going out and spamming the cannons. He still wasn't at the level of Amuro

>>23793817
>and a shitton of zeon mobile armors have claws
That explains Dendrobium's claw hand, but not the super huge beam saber. We saw in the Dendrobium use its claw to grab Zakus and crush them with raw power. I will grant the claws are useful for that. But it's telling the Federation never used this technology again.

>>23793859
>barely
He's been an adult for like 5 years.

>>23793864
Domon's 20. He literally just turned the Japanese legal adult age. In the US he wouldn't even be old enough to drink yet

>>23793846
>Zakus specifically engaged in close combat with Heat Hawks and heat swords.
And what exactly were they supposed to fight in close combat? The feds didnt have mobile suits uet. Only ships.
So zakus were meant to fly up next to ships and hit them with an axe.

>>23793870
Yes, and you become an adult at 15. Just because the law says otherwise doesn't change shit.

>>23793881
>Yes, and you become an adult at 15
Maybe in oogaboogastan where life expectancy is the ripe old age of 30, but in japan

>>23793881
If puberty hits you like a truck maybe but lots of dudes aren't even fully done growing at that age.

>>23793881
>you become an adult at 15.

This isn't Dancouga Nova

>>23793846
nigga you funny, you saw the giant beam saber being used to fight MA and ships and you're complaining the giant beam saber shouldn't exist because there are no MA and ships to fight

how come you ain't complaining the neue ziel shouldn't have giant beam saber either?

>>23793863
same reason the feds gave the gundam a beam saber instead of a heat axe

>But it's telling the Federation never used this technology again.
lel it's a beam saber those things are standard issue even for grunts and exist everywhere

The giant beam saber was dumb because Amuro showed a single one could finish off a whole ship just fine.

>>23793808

Monsha also just decides not to fire at the Gundam when it's trapped in the rubble. The whole fight was poorly executed.

>>23793881
>you become an adult at 15

Haha holy shit, no.

>all the discussion acting like Monsha was taking the fight seriously
How do you guys not realise that the moral of the story is that even though Monsha is theoretically capable of being better than Kou at that point in time, he's an inferior soldier because he bunks off and doesn't take his enemy seriously.
Did you even watch the OVA?
"Hubris bad" has been a global moral story for thousands of years and you still don't get it?
Hubris is also why he flirts with every woman he sees, and why he enthusiastically joins up with the Titans. You're meant to see that and think "oh yeah, he totally would join the Titans".

>>23793880
>And what exactly were they supposed to fight in close combat? The feds didnt have mobile suits uet. Only ships.
>So zakus were meant to fly up next to ships and hit them with an axe.

Zakus used the heat hawk to invade colonies. They can cleanly cut into colonies doors or walls without blowing up the entire structure and/or risking explosive decompression. The heat hawk was also used to disable colony infrastructure like power lines, pipes, and cables. Or as a tool to help cut through debris. Zeon had a reason to create the heat hawk. It was a multipurpose tool.

>>23793918
>how come you ain't complaining the neue ziel shouldn't have giant beam saber either?
Because:

1. Neue Ziel's beam sabers more advanced. The arms are rocket arms that can detach from the mobile armor and have massive range to attack from distance. Gato doesn't need to fly right next to a ship to destroy it. He could be a few kilometers away.

2. The rocket claws are also beam cannons. They can switch between beam cannon mode and beam saber mode.

3. Neo Zeon had a reason to design the Neue Ziel that way and be packed with weapons. They knew Gato would be fighting alone against hordes of Federation fleets and mobile suits. Delax Fleet was tiny. Only like 20 ships. Usually with limited resupply or no resupply at all. So the Neue Ziel needed to be packed with weapons for every enemy, and be able to fight at every range. That's why it had a ton of beams but no bullets, and only a small amount of missiles. They knew Delaz couldn't resupply Neue Ziel. Gato was fighting alone against massive Federation force.

The Dendrobium didn't have those same motivations for its design. Zeon was defeated. The Zeon military was disarmed. The Federation had a massive space fleet the controlled everything. If Delaz never attacked, who was the Dendrobium meant to fight? And more specifically, what is the gigantic beam saber supposed to be designed to kill? Seems like massive overkill for pirates using old Zakus. The existence of the Dendrobium was already questionable. But thar gigantic beam saber is what is really odd.

>>23793954
I don't think monsha flirting with women is bad or hubris. He just likes women.

>Hubris
But Monsha was literally right about every thing in the show. For example,

1. Kou was NOT qualified or experienced enough to use the Gundam. Theoretical potential was meaningless if Kou has no experience and still need tons of practice. He barely survived multiple battles by the skin of teeth. And Kou ended up trashing the Gundam anyway costing the Federation billions of dollars. If Gato never attacked Torrington base, Kou would have never been assigned to the Gundam. Most likely someone on Monsha's team or Burning would have gotten it.

2. Monsha openly questions orders and leadership decisions from the Albion command staff. He also questions why the Albion keeps defying orders and not just doing what they are told. What happens? Albion keeps messing up and getting blamed. The political factions within the Federation place all the blame on the Albion.

3. Monsha constantly flirts with Nina Purpleton, but more importantly, he treats her with a kind of unserious skepticism. Unlike Kou, he doesn’t idealize her. He doesn’t place trust in her beyond surface-level interaction. What happens? It's revealed Nina has a deep love connection with Zeon's Anavel Gato. Her loyalties become conflicted at a critical moment as she doesn't stop Gato dropping the Colony on Earth. She ultimately prioritizes Gato over Kou and betrays the Federation. But Monsha? He doesn't care or freak out like Kou does.

4. Monsha treats Zeon remnants not as romantic warriors, but as dangerous and relentless enemies. No admiration. No ideological fascination. Just sees them as a threat to eliminate. What does Kou do? He helps Kelly rebuild the Val Varo Zeon mobile armor and Kelly nearly destroys the Albion. Kou needed to saved by his teammates in battle.

5. Every time Monsha acts like a jerk, the story eventually proves he had a point. He just didn't have the patience to explain it nicely.

>>23793918
>lel it's a beam saber those things are standard issue even for grunts
Not the gigantic beam saber

Oh my fucking god why are you all illiterate why does this shit always happen when 0083 comes up

>>23793918
>same reason the feds gave the gundam a beam saber instead of a heat axe
Which is?

>>23794329
Low effort post. Either explain or don't bother posting. The adults are talking in this thread.

>>23794229
Heat Hawks also help in case Zaku pilots have to deal with someone trying to steal another Zaku.

>>23785145
Maybe with a different pilot. Kou was running on basically half empty just from fight Cima's forces and the Gerbera Tetra. The quebely would make quick work of this thanks to its funnel advantage.

>>23794409
>The quebely would make quick work of this thanks to its funnel advantage.
Nah. Nonsense

>>23794409
>The quebely would make quick work of this thanks to its funnel advantage.

You forgot about the Dendrobium I-field. Funnels won't work. All the beams will just bounce off harmlessly.

>>23794265
psyco gundam and narrative A-packs still have them, and large beam sabers are still a thing for high end MS or heavy weapons suits like ZZ and those rezel defensers

it's less that the tech doesn't exist and more that the feds don't build enough mobile armors

>>23794240
>1. Neue Ziel's beam sabers more advanced. The arms are rocket arms that can detach from the mobile armor and have massive range to attack from distance. Gato doesn't need to fly right next to a ship to destroy it. He could be a few kilometers away.
>2. The rocket claws are also beam cannons. They can switch between beam cannon mode and beam saber mode.
doesn't work that way, when extended the claw's beam emitter doesn't work

>The Dendrobium didn't have those same motivations for its design. Zeon was defeated. The Zeon military was disarmed. The Federation had a massive space fleet the controlled everything. If Delaz never attacked, who was the Dendrobium meant to fight? And more specifically, what is the gigantic beam saber supposed to be designed to kill? Seems like massive overkill for pirates using old Zakus. The existence of the Dendrobium was already questionable. But thar gigantic beam saber is what is really odd.
you keep saying that but everyone already knows delaz still exists
if delaz didn't exist, then axis exists
if axis doesn't exist then char's zeon exist
if char's zeon doesn't exist then mars zeon exists
if mars zeon doesn't exists then jupiter exists
if jupiter doesn't exist then zanscare exists

you're basically complaining the GP03 shouldn't exist because there are no more gundam sequels and bad guys, and you're getting really bent over the fact that they managed to use a giant beam saber against the neue ziel

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>>23794615
>you keep saying that but everyone already knows delaz still exists
>if delaz didn't exist, then axis exists
>if axis doesn't exist then...

During 0083, the Federation laughed at both of these forces. Even with only 25% of their forces left after Gato nuked them at Solomon, the Federation Admirals were incredibly confident they could annihilate both Delaz and Axis little issue. That's how weak the remnants were. They weren't a threat at all.

So I do have to wonder what exactly the Dendrobium was designed to kill? More specifically the giant beam saber. I'm not saying the giant beam saber isn't cool. But I am wondering what exactly it was supposed to destroy with Zeon mostly defeated.

This idea also applies to Gp02. What exactly was the purpose of this Gundam? Not only does it violate several treaties, but what exactly is it supposed to fight against with its nuke?

The other Gp series Gundams make sense.

Gp00 = experimental "sniper suit" with giant beam cannon and radar scope on shoulder.

Gp01 = upgrade to original Gundam. Balanced load out.

Gp01-FB = repaired and modified Gp01 Gundam after Kou trashed the original after taking it out against orders. Increased speed.

Gp04 - Gebera = Made by a different Anaheim team. Focused on high speed assault and interception. Designed to intercept the enemy before they could hit their target.

Got into conflict with Gp01 team when they found out about Gp01-FB

>>23795365
>but what exactly is it supposed to fight against with its nuke?
Funding cuts.

>>23795365
They were designed for future threats and was the main reason the project wasn't looked favorably within the Federation, they assumed MS warfare would die after the OYW and many expected they'd be phased out or given reduced relevance.

The whole thing can be seen as an early version of the Formula project.

>>23795365
>This idea also applies to Gp02. What exactly was the purpose of this Gundam? Not only does it violate several treaties, but what exactly is it supposed to fight against with its nuke?
Just like in real life. Nukes are illegal yet all superpowers are making them for world War 3

>>23795395
>Just like in real life. Nukes are illegal yet all superpowers are making them for world War 3

Not exactly. Nukes were created because during WW2 Japan was willing to die rather than surrender. Near the of the War, the Japanese military was literally giving civilians pitchforks and knives. Then telling their civilian population that the Americans were coming to destroy them and their family. When the Japanese home islands were invaded, the civilian population was so hostile that hundreds of thousands of civilians would charge into soldiers with knives and pitchforks. Every single house became a battleground with people jumping from the shadows to kill Americans. Other Japanese families would jump off cliffs and commit suicide rather than surrender.

Massive casualties were inflicted in American troops. It was estimated that millions of American casualties would be required to fully take control of Japan from a hostile civilian population. And Japan would be effectively wiped out as a people. Their population would be enalry extinct. So the the US President said F that, and just nuked Japan into submission. To scare them and break their will.

Then, despite heavy security, Soviet spies stole the nuclear secrets from America and made their own nukes. Then nuclear secrets spread to other European countries. Nukes aren't illegal. It's just that most nuclear armed nations have agreed that they can't allow other nations to have nukes. Especially unstable nations.

>>23795391
What threat was the Gp02 supposed to face?

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>>23794615
>doesn't work that way, when extended the claw's beam emitter doesn't work
You are a liar and a scoundrel.

>>23795411
>Nukes were created because during WW2 Japan was willing to die rather than surrender.
Used, perhaps. Certainly not created.

>>23795424
>>23794615
>doesn't work that way, when extended the claw's beam emitter doesn't work
This is such an odd claim to make. We saw the beams work in the anime.

>>23794240
I get what you are saying. You are partially correct that the beam saber doesn't make much sense in realistic terms. I would remind you though that the beam saber isn't a primary weapon. It's situational. Something you use as a last resort when the enemy is too close for your missiles or giant beam cannon.

>>23795421
What the fuck came after Zeon?

>>23785238
One or two of the Dendrobium's missile pods would probably destroy all 10 of the Qubeley's funnels.

>>23795743
Not even that, the funnels would have to be able to keep up with the GP03, the only way they would score a decisive hit would be if it was standing still.

>>23795704
Nothing?

>>23785145
>>23789877
At what point do we even stop bothering with the robot part?

>>23795793
why the fuck would you want to do that? they always just shoehorn in something for the robot to do anyway

>>23785145
I don't understand why the Dendrobium works at all. It's just a big rocket without a lot of agility.

Wasn't it established that mobile suits are the best form of for combat in space?

Didn't Zeon already prove this when all their mobile armors (similar to the Dendrobium) failed to to turn the tide of the war. The Bigro, Braw Bro, Val Varo, Zakrello, etc all share the same characteristics as the Dendrobium. All high speed mobile armors. But they all failed to win the war in favor of Zeon.

But why does the Dendrobium work? Shouldn't mobile suits laugh at it because of its weak agility?

>>23795807
Just admit you're here because of the pro-Fed bias.

>>23795829
It's a valid question.

>>23795807
most Zeon mobile armors got ganked by the Gundam. They ate grunts alive, just like the Dendrobium did against Zakus and Doms
>>23795704
Jupiter, future colonial rebellions, general R&D. Lots of shit got built during the Cold War but never mass produced.
>>23795411
dubs of truth
>>23795365
>So I do have to wonder what exactly the Dendrobium was designed to kill? More specifically the giant beam saber. I'm not saying the giant beam saber isn't cool. But I am wondering what exactly it was supposed to destroy with Zeon mostly defeated.
I agree that the beam sabers are a bit silly, but the Dendrobium was a prototype unit meant to kill everything. If you can throw on a giant beam saber fuck it why not?
>This idea also applies to Gp02. What exactly was the purpose of this Gundam? Not only does it violate several treaties, but what exactly is it supposed to fight against with its nuke
It's purpose was to deploy what appears to be an unrealistically powerful Casaba Howitzer nuke against targets while being armored and maneuverable enough to get in, fire, and survive the blast. It could be deployed against an enemy fleet, a rebelling colony, or a hostile fortress. Also the Antarctic Treaty was between the Federation and the Principality of Zeon. After the OYW the Principality didn't exist anymore, it became the Republic of Zeon. And the Feddies didn't sign no treaty with the Republic.

>>23795964
>It's purpose was to deploy what appears to be an unrealistically powerful Casaba Howitzer nuke against targets while being armored and maneuverable enough to get in, fire, and survive the blast. It could be deployed against an enemy fleet, a rebelling colony, or a hostile fortress.

1. How is this less effective than just using the Solar Ray again? The Solar Ray is much cheaper and much longer range. No need to fly a mobile suit into an enemy fleet to use it.

2. What is stopping Neo Zeon from making their own mobile suit that can deploy nukes as well?

>>23796438
>1. How is this less effective than just using the Solar Ray again? The Solar Ray is much cheaper and much longer range. No need to fly a mobile suit into an enemy fleet to use it.
Mobile suits were a new technology in the OYW and even up to 0083, and nuclear weapons played a major part in the opening battles. Combining the two technologies to see if you could have use a mobile suit as a nuclear delivery platform would be a logical route to explore. Also I would wager that a nuclear weapon and its mobile suit platform would likely be much, much cheaper than a thousands-strong constellation of precision controlled satellites. The Solar Ray was also IIRC only really useful in the earth sphere and was line of site weapon given it's nature; what if you need a WMD on the opposite side of the planet, or the dark side of the moon, or on Mars?
>2. What is stopping Neo Zeon from making their own mobile suit that can deploy nukes as well?
Well, that's the whole thing with nuclear weapons. "We need to build one first in case the enemy builds one first" is sort of the main rule of the game. I think Japanese nuclear phobia is the only reason we don't see more nukes show up in UC. You'd think with all of the industry that even random Zeon remnant groups possesses that it would be trivial for them spin up some centrifuges and enrich some uranium on a backwater location.

>>23796468
>Combining the two technologies to see if you could have use a mobile suit as a nuclear delivery platform would be a logical route to explore.

But they were already doing that with Zakus?

>The Solar Ray was also IIRC only really useful in the earth sphere and was line of site weapon given it's nature; what if you need a WMD on the opposite side of the planet, or the dark side of the moon, or on Mars?

You could still leave it as a permanent defensive structure. An Orbital weapon to prevent any Colony drops or fleets attacking Earth again.

>I think Japanese nuclear phobia is the only reason we don't see more nukes show up in UC. You'd think with all of the industry that even random Zeon remnant groups possesses that it would be trivial for them spin up some centrifuges and enrich some uranium on a backwater location.

Japanese are strange. They don't mind their mobile suits and giant robots powered by nuclear engines and exploding in nuclear fireballs. But the minute you show them a nuclear missile, they go quiet.

>>23800660
>Japanese are strange. They don't mind their mobile suits and giant robots powered by nuclear engines and exploding in nuclear fireballs. But the minute you show them a nuclear missile, they go quiet.
That's not particularly strange. Most people are fine with gasoline powered cars but are uneasy around flamethrowers and heavy incendiary bombs.

>>23800673
Gas powered cars usually don't explode in a massive fireball and irradiate the landscape.

>>23800692
MS don't do the latter, but fair point, there's a difference in scale. How about a tanker truck or a fertilizer warehouse like the one that blew the hell out of Beirut a few years ago?

>>23800673
What I'm trying to point out is that the Japanese are inconsistent with their nuclearphobia.

>>23785145
>imagine if this thing stayed till Gryps War
The only faction that could afford to keep it running was the Titans. Dendrobium requires tons of missiles, weapons, and maintenance to keep it going. AEUG is too poor.

>Haman and her Quebely would be useless, and The O would be blown before it knows it
No because they have weird newtype nonsense like newtype forcefields and other stuff. Scirroco would probably see all the attacks coming and dodge, or he would send a telepathic attack against the Dendrobium pilot.