camrips are already up for those who are too impatient.
No more Xi upgrades for movie 3
Julia's tits
Bath time with Quess
Conan O'Brien is still alive by UC105
For anyone who still doubts that Gigi sleeps with old men
Some grunts in familiar uniforms
No, you won't
>>23787092my queen...
>>23787072link or backup plox
>>23787129>gf/d/bZ6jS8both password is the name of the ship's cat (first letter is capped)
>>23787140Wtf. Stop making it so complicated.
>>23787140Just upload it to a streaming site you pretentious so and so
gofile io d bZ6jS8Fortunenow it's your job posting it somewhere else, because it's not gonna last long
bilibili com video BV1vHAnz6E8S
>>23787162Thanks. Really watchable.
>>23787076that matrix/scary movie scene.
>>23787162cool, got it ytdlping, thanks
Golf is such a fucking chud kek.
>>23787153this is not dolphin porn wtf
I am DLing it currently, how's the audio?
>>23787184"Fortune" is the password to open it. don't worry, it's completely safe.
BEST FIGHT OF THE FILM.
>>23787189the billi up is decent, I've got a repack going
>>23787189The bilibili link above works just fine, not the best but not too shabby either.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ytc4s.torrent\magnet:?xt=urn:btih:e410f0d983c4326c2f8f1a84a6bd47ff7ee4c4e4&dn=%E6%9C%BA%E5%8A%A8%E6%88%98%E5%A3%AB%E9%AB%98%E8%BE%BE%20%E9%97%AA%E5%85%89%E7%9A%84%E5%93%88%E8%90%A8%E7%BB%B42reaction%20p01%20%E9%A3%8E%E6%99%AF%E5%9B%BE%20%5BBV1vHAnz6E8S_p1%5D.mp4&xl=608352289direct rip of the billi copy via ytdlp with the extra hour of bullshit
>>23787210>https://files.catbox.moe/2ytc4s.torrent\https://files.catbox.moe/2ytc4s.torrentderp no extra backslash
>>23787210>extra hour of bullshitI did a double take when I saw 3 hour runtime.
BB one doesn't seem to have the full GnR song and Kenneth's post credit scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGtAA2HaS8
>>23787210How big is the file I can't see the metadata?
>>23787238580.1 megs
>>23787238half gigibyte.
>>23787210Bili link is down and i can't connect to peer.
>>23787153Bili link is removed, is this one legit?
>>23787249okay I might have fucked up the torrentdang, missing pomf bigtime right nowgimmie a few, I was gonna set up a new archive burner for this for tonight anyways. I'm a little busy at work but should get an internet archive link in a bit, but if you know of a pomf type that can take 600 megs let me know
>>23787259Google drive?
>>23787261ehh, looking for something a little more disposable, and proton is being a bitch about me using them just for a burner for internet archiveI'll try poking at this again in a few, https://files.catbox.moe/6h1c09.torrenthere's another try at a torrent
okay I've got the main billi rip and a repack that crops it at the end upping to archive, and somebody's getting through on the second torrent
>>23787265Yeah, still not working. Stuck at DHT.
>>23787265it's working but super slow
am >>23787274 whoever joined to seed made it go from 20days to 5m so thanks anons
>>23787250Yeah, It's legit
>>23787275Mine is still saying connecting to peer.
>>23787277i can't help you with your clientside issues anon
>>23787274I'm spitting upwards of a meg a second, my tubes are just the basic ones with my apartment, and I'm uploading to archive while remoting in to my main deck from my chromebook at workbut yeah there's def activity on that second torrent, seen a few people bop in and outarchive should be up in a bit
>>23787283it's a little slow but this is the speed im getting with non fancy internet
>>23787281I know, my ISP just don't work with host i guess. I'm watching with the gofile link above but the quality seems worse than the bili link before it got removed.
>>23787288it's a cam my dude it was never going to to be HQ to begin with
>>23787288repack and rehost of billi should be up within a half hour
https://archive.org/details/00ifukedurmom_202603
i just want to say you made this brightfag very happy. also sex with bright thank god he was hot.skipping back to the beginning though, i don't know if i am a fan of these rigged models. they feel really stuff regardless of the quality of the video.
>i can't be saved unless i escape these carnal and emotional desireswhat a faggot
>>23787092
>>23787072Finished it, 8.5/10It was more tightly plotted than the first. Change in scenery and insert songs at regular intervals prevented it from feeling stagnant. 90% of CG worked for me, I hope they clean up the rest in BD release and/or re-release special editions like Freedom. I wonder what general western audience will think of the film, the story doesn't shy away from showing the hold of Manhunters and Feddies corrupt Bureaucracy, it's very on the nose.MP Nu got reputation killing humiliation.
>>23787367As much as we can make fun of hathaway i felt like his depression and interpersonal relationships were realistic as well. plenty of people have messy relationships, casual partners (kenneth), etc.
>>23787371This movie features newtypes and their abilities yet it still feels extremely grounded compared to most gundam entries. I feel like one of Tomino's more underrated talent is writing realistic dialogues.
>>23787367>MP Nu got reputation killing humiliation.but why thoughie what do they have against the mp nu in particular?
>>23787375at first i tought we didn't need the house scene but liked the insight. definitely more of a slow to build movie. the cca cut with amuro was truly great and i hope the third film delivers a punch to end the series. I'm definitely going to buy the BD now
>>23787092>>23787365>using zeonic's shitty machine translation.it's just one 80 year old geezer who uses wheelchair. I doubt he can even get his dick up.
>>23787387Cope.
>>23787367>I wonder what general western audience will think of the film, the story doesn't shy away from showing the hold of Manhunters and Feddies corrupt Bureaucracy, it's very on the nose. The "general western audience" viewer doesn't care about this movie. It's not even on their radar. The story is so inaccessible unless you are a hardcore Gundam fan and understand 30 years worth of Gundam anime. And even if you are a hardcore Gundam fan, Hathaway's Flash is still a niche story.
>>23787397The fact that it's on Netflix desn't help its case. If you want to watch other Gundam shows on that platform to know more about the setting, you only have RfV to work with, and that's pretty much it.
>>23787397It's releasing in theatres with SZA and GunsRoses names attached to it. There's bound to be a little buzz.>The story is so inaccessible unless you are a hardcore Gundam fan and understand 30 years worth of Gundam anime. And even if you are a hardcore Gundam fan, Hathaway's Flash is still a niche story.This didn't stop them from watching the first one, people are fucking casuals and will easily watch a highly contextual work for action and fun surface level stuff.I don't expect it to be a smash hit or anything, even Freedom and GQX performed pretty poorly so this entry is out of question.
>>23787402>people are fucking casuals and will easily watch a highly contextual work for action and fun surface level stuffYou're right, but the problem is that Hathaway is known for having neither of the things casuals wanted to see.
>>23787402>This didn't stop them from watching the first one, people are fucking casuals and will easily watch a highly contextual work for action and fun surface level stuff. Hathaway Movie 1 was only popular in Asia, and mostly in Japan. You need to understand that this movie only really appeals to Japanese fans.
>>23787397>>23787400>>23787402>>23787406>>23787409I've seen people who only watched the first Hathaway and liked it, it isn't really that hard to understand since the main topic is highly relatable to westerners right now
>>23787402Anon I'm trying to be nice here. So please don't misunderstand my tone. I'm not insulting you or being sarcastic. This is my genuine opinion. Hathaway's story is exact opposite of what is needed to be popular with Western audiences and casual Western fans. The entire Hathaway story is based on viewers knowing EIGHT different Gundam animes before watching Hathaway. There's a LOT of references that casual viewers just won't understand in Hathaway. Japanese viewers get excited when they see Nu Gundam in the movie. Western casuals don't know or don't care. You can't expect random audience member John Smith to have watched Char's Counterattack from 35 years ago.
Can someone please contact the sound designer of this movie? Tell him that missiles do not sound like fire crackers. Missiles have a much more intense and deeper noise when they explode. Its so silly that they are using fire cracker noise for the missile sound effects.
>>23787417Anon be nice to the Japanese. They haven't fought a war in like 80 years. They don't know what a missile sounds like. Lol
>>23787417The explosions are supressed by friction from minovsky particles.
I don't understand Hathaway's motivations at all.I thought this was revenge for Quess.(spoiler} But why did Hathaway reject Amuro and Quess's newtype ghost when they came to visit him, and tried to tell Hathaway to stop?Why was Hathaway so violent at Amuro and Quess's ghosts?Even Quess was trying to tell Hathaway to chill out and stop being a terrorist.(/spoiler)
>>23787367>>23787371>That food eating sceneJesus Christ that hit far too close to home
>>23787421And you do?
Wtf Lane had several kill shots on Hathaway and didn't take them. Why not ?????? Hathaway is freaking out and shooting random air and having a mental breakdown. But Lane just sits there and goes "hurr durrwhy is he doing that?" and just watches Xi Gundam shooting air. Who wrote these fight scenes??? This is so dumb. Even when Lane was wrestling with Xi Gundam he could have stabbed his beam saber into Hathaway's cockpit but instead stabs Xi Gundam's head and only does superficial damage. Why??? Dude just stab Hathaway's cockpit. This fight scene is so stupid. I want to yell at the director so badly.
>>23787428Hathaway hasn't taken the meds and is projecting all his guilt and self hatred.It's like a bad dream of his past haunting him in the present, the use of various Char vs Amuro lines, Quess rotating on bar, car ride, Chan killshot all serve to show that.
>>23787437?Wait I thought it literally was their newtype ghosts talking to Hathaway. Just like in Unicorn when Amuro spoke to Full Frontal. Or when Marida spoke to Banagher. They were having a full on conversation in Hathaway.There's no way that was just Hathaway's mind.
>>23787301Which one is the best quality of the camrips?
>>23787433This Nu Gundam vs Xi Gundam battle never happened in the novels. They made it up and created for the anime.
>>23787443the longer one with the long chinese name the shorter one trims the extra stuff and re-encodes it for running tonight
>>23787072I liked that they updated the uniforms for the navy. The old ones makes them look like discount troops
>>23787433Lane tried but Xi was continuously dodging his shots. It was also dusty and hard to spot. >Hathaway is freaking out and shooting random airIt was just one shot.>But Lane just sits there and goes "hurr durrwhy is he doing that?" and just watches Xi Gundam shooting air.Sometimes you just get dumbfounded by what's happening in front of you. He also thought it might have been some trap.>he could have stabbed his beam saber into Hathaway's cockpit but instead stabs Xi Gundam's headThat was a last desperate attempt. He didn't have proper control of beam saber, it was shaken off before he could wield it in his hands.Frankly, this battle was just bullying. Xi has superior specs in every way and Hathaway is way better pilot than Lane.
Can someone explain to me why the Federation just doesn't attack Mafty with like 200 Jegans (or whatever the latest mass produced suit is) all at once? The Federation military is huge. Why are they using pathetic attacks with only 4 or 5 suits each time to attack Mafty??
>>23787463>He didn't have proper control of beam saber, it was shaken off before he could wield it in his hands. Not that anon you are replying to, but I have to say this wasn't communicated well in the animation at all. To me, it just looked like Lane was trying to stab Xi Gundam's head. Maybe Lane thought the cockpit was in the head? That's what I though when I saw the scene.
>>23787471The subarms were controlled by AI that's why the sneak attack didn't go as well as he hoped.
>>23787450What changed exactly with the uniform? It looks just like the old one?>>23787465Same reason why they didn't do that to Char in the OYW. Or against AEUG in Zeta. Or against Neo Zeon in ZZ\CCA.
>>23787478>Same reason why they didn't do that to Char in the OYW. What are you talking about? The Federation crushed Zeon with raw numbers and brute force. Especially at the end of the war. >Or against AEUG in Zeta. The AEUG space fleet was constantly on the run without stopping. When The Titans discovered AEUG's home base on the Moon, they dropped a Colony on it. In contrast, it seems like the Federation has a general idea where Mafty's bases are on Earth. Every movie has Mafty constantly evacuating their bases because the Federation is attacking. >Or against Neo Zeon in ZZThey did eventually do that m. But the Federation was too weakened by the Gryps civil war that it took them months to rebuild their military before they could attack. >CCA.They couldn't do it right away. It was said at the beginning of the movie that riots supporting Char had broken out in all Colony Sides. The only thing keeping the riots from growing out of hand was keeping Federation fleet at each Colony Side. Thus the only fleet available (without moving them away from the colonies) to stop Char was Londo Bell.
thanks but I can't watch it like this, chance of a better camrip with good audio later?
>>23787500You will probably have to wait a few more months when it's release on Netflix. Or if you want the maximum video quality possible, then wait for the bluray release.
>>23787500nigga that's the whole point of a camrip, the quality is going to be ass. you can wait, but there's no guarantee
>>23787092This is my fetish
>>23787505I have seen good quality camrips before, but people usually bring in decent discrete video and audio recording equipment.if only a chink or whoever would be a hero like that
>>23787500tbdesu for a cam of anime this isn't too badit's possible there'll be a better cam but with a legit release pending there's not as much incentive
>>23787433This battle was never in the Hathaway novel. It's filler that they made up since the books don't have much battles. But the writers of this anime couldn't kill any main characters, have Xi Gundam take any serious damage (because the true final battle happens in the next movie), or have Hathaway lose. So the only option was for Lane to lose miserably and have Nu Gundam take all the damage. It's similar to the Gundam Unicorn anime when Zeon attacked Torrington base. In the novel it was a slaughter with Zeon's mobile armor (piloted by a fanatical Muslim family) ripping through Federation mobile suits. Jestas were fighting a ton, but Unicorn Gundam's beam magnum couldn't even scratch Zeon's mobile armor. But the anime changed the battle dramatically to make it more even. The anime split up the Zeon troops (for some reason), they replaced the Jestas with an overpowered Byarlant custom, and they got rid of the Muslim family in the mobile armor and replaced them with an emotional teenager girl.It's all nonsense filler.
>>23787515yeah both ends of the spectrum definitely exist, there are also awful BD encodes and rarely amazing camripsjust saying no guarantees, the point of a camrip is usually speed over anything else so not often can you expect it. but it happens, especially when a movie has already been in theatres for like 2 months and the seats are 95% empty so the guy recording it can set up in the best possible spot to get good video AND audiobut sometimes by then the BD or streaming rips are out within a few weeks so they often get overshadowed quite soon by proper releases
>>23787210>>23787265Does this show the ending where the Xi's mask changes? The scene is cut off from the gofile version.
I thought the anal line was supposed to be censored but you can hear her whispers pretty clear.
Does anyone else feel like they have to watch it multiple times for it to sink in to discuss it properly? I had to do the same thing with the first movie. It rarely happens but Hathaway had been consistent 2 for 2 and I'm not sure if I should take this as a bad thing
>camrips out for hours and no one is talking about itStrange. You think more people would be interested
>>23787530We should have gotten the Zeon jihadist
>>23787596>camrip>why doesn't anyone want to watch itIt boggles the mind
>>23787610>Endless complaining when it will be out>Can watch it with subtitles even>Not good enough apparentlyPeople today are so spoiled sometimes
>>23787614>Not good enough apparentlyYeah? People don't want to watch shit if its in bad quality and would rather wait
>>23787631It's not great, but it's fine (except when the camera fell over).
It's a kinda subdued film throughout but it felt good. It is absolutely the middle of a trilogy but the pacing and the way it moves on before you can get too bored keeps you engaged.It's a lame description that doesn't do what's cool about it justice.
How fast is is the Minovsky flight system? I thought it only helps you float but doesn't provide thrust. But Xi Gundam was moving so quickly and was faster than Dendrobium Nu Gundam with all those rocket boosters.Xi Gundam didn't even get hit once by any missile spam.
>>23787693yep, it only floats. speed depends on the rest of the engines
Lmao at Xi Gundam being so fat that a base jabber literally can't lift it and gets crushed just with Xi stepping on it.
Mafty is so awful at OPSEC. You have team members running around using each other's real names on the battlefield. Some of them are yelling Hathaway's names in front of Federation troops. Wtf are they thinking? Hathaway doesn't even use a voice changer and walks around with his helmet open. It's like the wants to get caught. Total amateur hour.
Not watching a cam rip because it's getting a proper release in May. I can wait two months.
>>23787726It's nice to know what nips are referencing when they circlejerk though. I can finally join the ネタバレpages and shitpost about it with everyone.
>>23787714Many of them are univ. student age, with few veterans like gawman.
There's an awful lotta padding. It's a similar problem that Jackson's Hobbit movies suffered from. There's enough material for two movies, maaaaaybe three to four OVA installments. But, the musical numbers were a bit much. The CGI backgrounds were much more jarring this time around. I was hoping we'd get more awkward rotoscoping, but they toned that down, for better or worse. The CGI was very stiff and awkward a lot of the time. I'm hoping that a proper watch will assuage a lot of my visual complaints at least. Making Lane such a non-character during this fight with Hathaway, which is not in the novels, I know, just makes him seem like more of a goober. Which is weird because he does train and study and actually win against Hathaway in the end as far as the novels go. It makes me wonder if they're going to really tweak the story for the third installment. But, narratively, I'm not really keen on the deviations and "expansions" from the novel. I'd give it a 5 or 6 outta 10. There's a lot of very baffling decisions.
>>23787797>Making Lane such a non-character during this fight with Hathaway, which is not in the novels, I know, just makes him seem like more of a goober. and I thought these were meant to give him more character than he originally had
>>23787693Xi can reach speed upto Mach 2, so about 1.5k mile/h
>>23787797>Which is weird because he does train and study and actually win against Hathaway in the end as far as the novels go. Um no. Lane doesn't win against Hathaway. Lane does improve and gets better. But Hathaway still outclasses Lane. Hathaway just has way more combat experience.It's like the difference between Kou and Gato in 0083. Kou gets better over time, but Gato still beats Kou 1v1 at the end of the 0083 anime. Gato is just better.
>>23787797>There's an awful lotta padding.what parts were unnecessary to you? I really liked that we got to spend time with Mafty crew. >actually win against Hathaway in the endNo he doesn't, Penelope gets sliced and diced. He likely would have died if not for Kenneth's plan.>But, narratively, I'm not really keen on the deviations and "expansions" from the novel.It was necessary to explicitly answer the BC/CCA issue. Tomino had already told them that 2nd volume doesn't have enough material for a film (director and jp fans agreed to it) and they should tweak stuff rather than being faithful to the source material.
>>23787593>watch it multiple times for it to sink in to discuss it properly?This is a good thing, I don't want to watch a film and be completely done with it on first watch.That's what I like about CCA, it's really dense and there's always a new detail to be seen whenever I rewatch.
maftybros our package has arrived.
I just need to know if it’s good. Is it good? Is the gravitas of obese Gundams as good as the first one?
>>23787852Yes.
>>23787852watch it and find out.
>>23787852Meh. I personally wasn't a huge fan. It feels like they are adding filler and dragging our scenes because the novel doesn't have enough material for 3 movies. At best you could maybe get 2 short movies if you stayed true to the source material.
>>23787852>Is it good?The guy who made the comparison to The Hobbit films hit it spot on. There's just not enough material for this to be a trilogy and it shows.
>>23787863If they stuck with novels, they would still get shat on for not having enough robot action. They're in a lose-lose situation here.
>>23787863>fillerwords have meaning.
>>23787852Right now I feel like the story is dragging things out longer than it's needs to be. Hathaway's Flash could be a really good 3 hour OVA. But having it be three movies with 6 hours of runtime is a bit too much.I also don't understand why Kenneth thinks Hathaway is Mafty without any evidence. It's too convenient.
>>23787884>story is dragging things outit feels like that cause the film took 4 and half years due to covid.
>check credits.wow, kharafags helped.also, watanabe and okiura in storyboarding.
I didn't mind it as much as I thought I wouldI'm curious to try H1 at some point and if I can catch a cheap matinee near me I might even try catching H2 in a theater the cg was astoundingly bad. like, I'm struggling to come up with some "no, you just don't get it" explanation for this shit but like, not just the X-Box robots, the water on the ocean, the background matting kept just-not-quite-working,this was the sort of stuff that would be really cool in a charmingly ambitious way for a fan-project, like that Revenge Of Mecha guy on youtube, but holy shit this is a commercial product what in the actual fuck if they're trying to some uncanny thing about Hathaway feeling out of place in the world it almost works for that?maybe we find out this is really a new Zegapain and they're on the Gundam DLC serveralso lol there must have been a chart xx% robot yy% flashbacks zz% FASHION TIME
>>23788035I still have hope for them to improve the CG for the Blu-Ray releases, because that is one of the easier things to fix in that movie.
>>23788035I say with absolute honesty that Zegapain mechs fit into their world more organically than the Xi/Penelope/Alyzeus do in Hathaway
>>23788035>but holy shit this is a commercial productThis isn't any worse than the CG in other Sunrise recent works like Code Geass Re:ssurection and Gundam Seed Freedom and to give it some credit I can see where their intentions were since they do treat the fights less like spectacles and more like something out of a live action movie (the cockpit cut-ins look great) but I fully believe with everything else of this film that it was the intentions of the director and not just something out of budgetary restraints.
>>23787868>The guy who made the comparison to The Hobbit films hit it spot onThat guy is a fucking retard. Those films took a few pages and make 2 hour movies out of them and STILL had to make up new characters to spred the runtime. Hathaway is still adapting a full novel of material per movie any "padding" is just expanding on details already in the novels.
>>23788049>This isn't any worse than the CG in other Sunrise recent works like Code Geass Re:ssurection and Gundam Seed FreedomI haven't seen them so I'll take your word that they also eat>>23788049>the cockpit cut-ins look greatI think that's what's frustrating, is there's a lot of little bits that are cool and I'm not talking about tanline mechanic chick but so much of the bigger work is just... there. and I'm not talking about captain moobs
>>23788074>I haven't seen them so I'll take your word that they also eatMostly the same problems in that they do try to make them blend in the foreground leaving to a lot of stiff fight choreography. >but so much of the bigger work is just... thereYeah this definitely feels like a something that'll filter a lot of people if they're expecting anything else beyond what's given. But still I enjoyed it a lot because of how much it went into it.
>>23788074>and I'm not talking about tanline mechanic chickYa know people complained about the lack of nudity but it was somehow more erotic with how brazen she was with not wearing a top throughout
>>23788049I haven't watched Geass but Freedom's CG was easily better
>>23788089>but Freedom's CG was easily better"This PS3 hame looks better than thus PS4 game!"
>>23788035>zz% FASHION TIMETo be fair, Gigi's clothes helps in keeping track of changes in location and passage of time.
I liked watching Gigi's ass going up the staircase in different outfits during the interior design music video.
>>23787442ignore Unicorn.>Wait I thought it literally was their newtype ghosts talking to Hathaway.There is a line earlier in the film where Kelia asks him to take medicine. He hallucinates Quess in the shower and cockpit. These scenes are meant to clue you in about his headspace. In the first film he says that he went down this path to make it so that people who lost their lives in Char's Rebellion won't be for nothing, that includes Quess as well as Chan. Amuro represents the guilt he feels over killing Chan. When Amuro mentions Quack Salver, a person he can't possibly know about, it becomes clear that this is Hathaway projecting all his doubts and judging himself through Amuro. A similar scene is in the first film, the famous grim reaper line, which is a callback to what Amuro had said to Hathaway in CCA after he got slapped by Bright. Hathaway knows, at least subconsciously, that the path he has chosen won't end well for him. He wants to be punished for his sins. His volatile mental state combined with newtypism makes his flaws come out as these visions.That's just what I feel, I have to rewatch the film to sort out Quess section. I don't remember her lines as much.
Saw it i think it was good follow-up movie time for my ranking for Best Gundam Tomino Girl1) Gigi Andalucia2)Quess Paraya3)Cecily Fairchild4)Fraw Bow5)Haman Karn6)Fa Yuiry7)Lalah Sune8)Crowley Hamon9)Sayla mass10)Kamille Bidan
>>23788134for me it's a near tie between Katejina and Gigi, with Beltorchika after them.
>>23788133forgot to add the pic.
>>23788035>the cg was astoundingly bad. like, I'm struggling to come up with some "no, you just don't get it" explanationThe truth is that ever since CGI started being used in Japanese TV in the mid 2000s, Japanese studios have struggled to use CGI and incorporate it. Japan was always around 10 to 12 years (or at least 1 generation) behind the latest CGI graphics. (( Look at MS IGLOO. Good story. It came out during the late Xbox 360 and PS3 era, but MS IGLOO looks like an early PS2 game. )) The reason is because good CGI requires top of the line computers, skilled animators, and most importantly...time. It's not something you can easily cut corners on and achieve the same result. And Japanese animation studios (at least the big name ones) are notorious for cutting corners, using the absolute least amount of staff necessary, overworking them to near death, doing the bare minimum, being ultra cheap, etc. That works fine for 2D animation. But 3D animation is unforgiving, and will immediately show when you cut corners. It's also why Japanese TV shows like Kamen Rider and Super Sentai while charming in its writing, have some really awful CGI. And these are name brand Japanese TV shows with decent budgets. Its much worse for cheaper shows. Japan just can't do good modern CGI. Not while cutting corners. >if they're trying to some uncanny thing about Hathaway feeling out of place in the world it almost works for that? That explanation works for Evangelion and angels. Not for Gundam. And it would only apply to the Gundam itself. Not the rest of the world of Hathaway. Like you said, lots of things you pointed out look bad.
>>23788049>Code Geass Re:ssurection and Gundam Seed Freedom Nope. The Directors of these shows said during interviews that intentionally shows to make the CGI art style look like it came for the mid 2000s. They believed that since both Geass and Seed were made in the 2000s that the CGI animation should reflect the same art style from that era so it doesn't stand out. They wanted the audience to feel nostalgic. They didn't want to use the latest CGI graphics for those movies.
>>23788067>any "padding" is just expanding on details already in the novels.We call that filler. Like adding entire Gundam VS Gundam battles that never happened. >>23788133>When Amuro mentions Quack Salver, a person he can't possibly know about, it becomes clear that this is Hathaway projecting all his doubts and judging himself through Amuro. Amuro's ghost can see everything. Just like how Lalah's ghost could see everything during the Char's Counterattack movie. Or how Newtype ghosts were everywhere during Gundam NT.
>>23788149>The Directors of these shows said during interviews that intentionally shows to make the CGI art style look like it came for the mid 2000s.That's cope anon on top of the fact that CGI from the 00s wasn't as prevalent in the 00s as they are now especially for SEED where the most we got is the Archangel in some shots.
>>23788150>filler is anything expanded from the source of materialSo every adaptation is filler by your retarded logic
>>23788150So The Godfather is nothing but filler according to you
>>23788149>The Directors of these shows said during interviews that intentionally shows to make the CGI art style look like it came for the mid 2000s.The problem with this logic is that the technology to construct CGI models that look like the ones in those movies didn't exist so a frame a reference would mean they would look closer to something like Aquarion, Zegapain or IGLOO not the cel-shaded ones ee have now,
>>23788152They are intentionally stretching the story because they want to release 3 movies. Not because they want to expand the story in any meaningful way.
>>23788155>Aquarion, Zegapain or IGLOOI mean they do look like those 2000s CGI models except with an HD upgrade.The issue with Hathaway is that the the staff are trying to do the opposite. They want Hathaway CGI models to be modern, realistic, and cinematic. But despite their best efforts, Xi Gundam looks like it fits better in the Seed Freedom movie than it does a UC movie.
>>23788188>despite their best efforts, Xi Gundam looks like it fits better in the Seed Freedom movie than it does a UC movie.The Xi looks and especially moves like complete shit compared to Freedom's animation
>>23788184It's been almost a decade since they announced that this would be a trilogy.Alyzeus fight was a way to make this trilogy an explicit continuation of CCA. Murase had already told us that the 2nd film would have the most changes to it.
>>23788152>So every adaptation is filler by your retarded logicYour "logic" makes no logical sense. You have several anons in this thread saying the movie feels like it's dragging on and the plot feels stretched. That's not a coincidence. Maybe you should stop being a fanboy and look objectively at the movie.
>>23788210>the movie feels like it's dragging on and the plot feels stretched.Nta, this is a you problem.
>>23788206That's the problem. They first decided they wanted a trilogy, and THEN they tried to see how they could stretch the novel to meet their demands.They didn't look at the novel first, and examine how many movies or OVAs they could realistically make from the material. Even Tomino said the novel could not support 3 movies.
What's with the dialog and pacing in this movie? There's short periods of action followed by extremely long scenes of dialog and philosophy discussion. And the discussion itself feels very stiff and unnatural for the characters to be talking this way.
>>23788184>They are intentionally stretching the story because they want to release 3 moviesIts literally adapting one novel per film
>>23787367>I wonder what general western audience will think of the filmThey won't care because UC Gundam is not popular in the West. Look how poorly Gundam Requiem for a Vengeance did on Netflix. Western reviewers were literally laughing at it. >the story doesn't shy away from showing the hold of Manhunters and Feddies corrupt Bureaucracy, it's very on the nose. On the nose for what? Half of these terms are gibberish to the average casual viewer unless they are a Gundam fan.
>>23788225These things aren't War and Peace, man.
>>23788233You act like these are 2-3 hour movies. They would be considered OVAs 30 years ago
>>23788223>They first decided they wanted a trilogy, and THEN they tried to see how they could stretch the novel to meet their demands.>They didn't look at the novel first, and examine how many movies or OVAs they could realistically make from the material.source: uncle at sunrise.see >>23788225
They have already made a 4 episode tv edit of the first film, so don't worry you will get the OVA equivalent experience if you want.
>>23788240Can you stop crying? Even Tomino publicly said that the novel material isn't enough for a trilogy. Yet Bandai insisted on 3 movies.
>>23788279source? tomino changes his tune in every interview to fuck with people.
>all those Julia says I fully understand Hathaway's pain
>>23788239No?
The quality of these threads is so low because we have a troll who mindlessly defends Hathaway's Flash with nonsense arguments. We can't even have an honest discussion about the pros and cons of this movie without the troll ruining everything.
>>23788312>No? This is a perfect example of a low quality post that adds nothing to the thread.
>>23788327people need to learn what terms like filler and padding mean before speaking bullshit.
>>23788327>We can't even have an honest discussion about the pros and cons of this movie without the troll ruining everything.The film had a positive reception until one faggot who never read the novel started crying about the film being padded and having filler while not explaining it.
>>23788332You need to realize that your opinion is not the only one that matters in this thread. This is not a perfect movie.
>>23788133You can actually tell it’s not *really* Amuro because later on his lines aren’t voiced by Furuya
>>23788340it's even more funny when that retard uses the MP Nu fight at the end as the example. Giving more scenes to develop the rival pilot and having something that actually addresses Hathaway's actions in CCA is unnecessary apparently.
is hathaway the second gundam protagonist who have sex inside his gundam?
>>23788345So sort of like Gigi's 'Do it, they are fake' line, which Hathaway hears as if it's being said by Quess and then by both.
>>23787380It's a glorified therapy session for Hathaway.I know Lane gets a lot of shit for his piloting skills but the fact that he was able to take on the Xi in a 10-year old mass production model is still commendable
>>23788344>This is not a perfect movie.I don't think it's perfect either, but if you are going to use terms that you don't know the meaning of like a retard, then be prepared to be called one.
>>23788358It stupid because why would you give your brand new top of the line Gundam to a teenager who isn't even that skilled in combat? There are thousands of other more experienced pilots in the Federation military who could pilot it.
>>23788332>>23788340>>23788364>>23788348Put your messages in a single post. Stop wasting thread space.
>>23788348>. Giving more scenes to develop the rival pilot and having something that actually addresses Hathaway's actions in CCA is unnecessary apparently.And that was my biggest fear when it went hard into making this a sequel to CCA instead of just a straight up adaptation of the novel and it was a great decision and made the movie even better
1st film - Gigi running away and Kenneth's horse.2nd film - MP Nu reveal.What would be the trigger for Hathaway's CCA ptsd in the third film? They have already teased picrelated.
>>23788365His simulation numbers are said to be pretty impressive. Apparently he has been enhanced as some kind of cyber newtype in the novel.Alyzeus is also just a hastily made flight form bullshit for Lane's temporary use.
Does anyone else find it silly that Hathaway's Flash, a movie meant to be a short epilogue to CCA, is now LONGER than Char's Counterattack? CCA is basically the prologue to Hathaway's Flash now. Bandai is really milking this movie series hard with filler.
>>23788392The original Hathaway novel is longer than Beltorchika's Children the novel that inspired CCA
>>23788391How much resources do Kenneth and Lane have at their disposal to hunt Mafty? Are they just a tiny force or are they the same size as Londo Bell with many ships and dozens upon dozens of suits?
>>23788396High-Streamer was around 900 pages and longer than HF
>>23788400Most of the first half of Hi-S is just unrelated bullshit and characters that never get mentioned again. After that it becomes a straight movie adaptation.
>>23788392To be fair, CCA was way shorter that what it should be
>>23788392>Does anyone else find it silly that Hathaway's Flash, a movie meant to be a short epilogue to CCA, is now LONGER than Char's Counterattack?Runtime is irrelevant, it's the scope, themes and intention of the story that matter.>CCA is basically the prologue to Hathaway's Flash now.That's not how that works.>Bandai is really milking this movie series hard with filler.Films don't have filler.
>>23788400why lie so blatantly? It's about 380 pages, compared to HF which is 340 pages.
>>23788397They're relatively small, but since they were taksed with protecting what is basically, the entire EF government in Adelaide, they have every single branch, including Londo Bell, at their disposal.
>>23788427I'm chuckling at how badly you got the numbers wrong.
>>23788416>To be fair, CCA was way shorter that what it should beI would definitely trade if I had the power. CCA deserved 3 movies with expanded scope and development. HF only deserves 1 movie. Or maybe a 10 episode OVA series like 0083.
>>23788397They don't seem to be that big, Kenneth asks for help from Naval troops and Man Hunters.
I really liked the scene where Lane uses binoculars to check on Gigi and she fucking notices him from distance.Reminded me of Misato snooping on Kaworu.
>a Federation sub takes out Mafty's ship off screenI thought Lane was the one to sunk it with the Penelope in the novel. Or was I lied to or did Sunrise change this bit?
>>23788451Penelope sinks Valiant, film changed it.
How did The Federation find Mafty's ship? The movie is confusing and doesn't tell us clearly.
>>23788451Sunrise did change that bit, Penelope was out of action for the entirety of Part 2, and their rationale was that the novel's timeline for the Penelope's repair was extremely unrealistic. Of course, we all know the real reason for the change was to accommodate for the new MS to shill.
>>23788459Gigi predicted it, that's all you need to know. The novel also lays it out like that, even if some of the details are different like >>23788455
>>23788455>>23788460>doesn't get to sink the enemy ship>humiliated by Hathaway while he's having a schizoid episodeWhat does Sunrise have against this Lane guy? Did his seiyuu fuck the director's wife or something?
>>23788468Lane is a certified jobber, even in the novel. Penelope sinking Valiant is treated as a throw away line between scene transition, there's no in depth description of the event.
Did this movie have the Gundam Seed Freedom Zero trailer? There's a lot of hype for the new seed movie.
I think it's a good sign if I want to watch it again already.
>>23787092>mfw no cute blond mistress cuddling me in my 80s
So no one is going to talk about how the Director is so stupid that he was going to kill Hathaway? He had a beam saber slowly stabbing Nu Gundam and would have caused a nuclear reactor explosion killing Hathaway.
>>23787714>On the battlefield out in the open>OPSEC
>>23788527You don't know anything about the military.
>>23788509I was thinking this today myself. It had time to sink in and I want to what it again.
>>23788526I was thinking the same thing. When you use a beam saber you aren't supposed to stab the chest. You are supposed to slice off the limbs. This was established in Episode 1 of the original 1970s show. Amuro stabbed a Zaku and it exploded in a nuclear explosion.
Just watched it.Movie didn't have enough action. It needed to be 20 minutes shorter. Too much fluff and characrers standing around just talking. Kenneth and Gigi are just boring. Movie needed another big battle in the middle of it to make it better. The Director is clearly a fan of Top Gun Maverick since he keeps copying the cockpit shots.
>>23788550>enough actionI think it did. This is more on human drama than war
>Scenes that stick too close to home
>>23788561I'd sympathize but he killed Chan therefore SCHLUUUUURRRP SMACK SMACK SMACK
>>23788550Here's a movie that's perfect for you
Is this movie deliberating avoiding mentioning that Hathaway is a cold blooded murderer? The ghost of Chan isn't showing up to say anything to him. It's like they want you to like Hathaway.
>>23788550>First movie inspired by Casino Royale>Second movie inspired by Top Gun MaverickI wonder what the next movie will be inspired by?
>>23788567>It's like they want you to like Hathaway.They showed him being an asshole to Keria, antagonizing Amuro, and being a sadistic bastard during the final battle, so I doubt that's the case.
Whelp I know why she was popular
>>23788577Exactly what I was thinking
>>23788575>They showed him being an asshole to Keria,Wait what did he do again? You mean the "put on a t-shirt" thing >antagonizing AmuroHe was just having an argument with his ghost. >and being a sadistic bastard during the final battle, so I doubt that's the case.The battle is just weird. I don't understand why Hathaway is going crazy. Sure the animation is nice but it's like Hathaway goes mental for some reason that isn't clearly explained.He's arguing with Amuro and Quess' ghost. Hathaway is saying that, unlike Amuro, he's more than just a pilot. Hathaway is a symbol and a leader and has more responsibilities. Okay. A rational argument. I get it. I don't agree with Hathaway but I understand it.So why is Hathaway suddenly freaking out and slowly stabbing Lane? I thought Hathaway was telling Amuro's ghost how rationale and responsible he is?
>Movie doesn't start until 20+ minutes in
>>23788509There's some lines that directly ties up with the first movie so watching part 2 immediately after part 1 is a good idea.
>>23788587I might save the back-to-back viewing for when the quality is identical so I don't give myself whiplash or resent the cam.
Did Julia's tits fry, drown, or float to safety?
>>23788623Hard to know, but there's a good chance that she's dead along with everyone on the ship. The mechanic said something about the feds not finishing off survivors, but we all know that Kenneth operates differently than what they're used to. The cat the only survivor and that's only because it sneaked inside the Xi Gundam.
This whole movie feels like an unnecessary drama. Why doesn't Hathaway just shoot Kenneth with his beam rifle and continue his attacks? Why is he allowing Kenneth to harass his team?Why does Hathaway-Gigi-Kenneth act like they've known eachother for years and are best friends? Hathaway just met these people and only knew them for a few days!Just shoot them Hathaway!
>>23788384I this supposed to be recognizable? Or is it a ReGZ with a new purple runner (P-Bandai)
So I started reading the 2nd novel, and man... why is Hathaway being such a dick to his girlfriend?
>>23788702Is the regz custom, the one with the ak47
>>23788702It's the ReGZ Custom, a CCA MSV thing
>>23788700>Why doesn't Hathaway just shoot Kenneth with his beam rifle and continue his attacks?He never had the opportunity do so, they operate on an extremely tight schedule and there's no room for any extracurricular activities.
>>23788705
>>23788514>tanline isn't in her coveralls-that-dont-cover-allboooo
>>23788623>>23788649
>>23788484Well maybe but that was at least something he had going for him.
Definitely worth the wait. Even with some clear rough edges in the visual fidelity and the spirograph plot which seem to have so many things happening at once it manages to all come together by the end to leave you want to watch it again and catch all the details. Finally understood what everyone he saw the film compared it to "eating dried squid" because it really does get more intriguing the more you invest in it.
Gigi was way too fine in this
That was really boring
>>23788703It runs in the family, Bright spent like 13-14 years away from his wife and kids and at one point was tempted to cheat on his wife
>>23788910But Mirai actually DID cheat on Bright with Sleggar. She threw herself at him and made out with Sleggar. And Mirai treated her fiancé Cameron horribly despite being engaged to him, and him risking his life THREE Times to protect Mirai. Cameron loved Mirai so much that he even gave NUCLEAR weapons to Bright. Bright was practically a Saint compared to Mirai.Meanwhile Mirai wasn't some dignified mother that she pretends to be. Mirai a VIXEN in her youth. She knew what she had and used it.
I think it's a problem that all the girls in Mafty are good looking. Gigi is supposed to be this Goddess that captures Hathaway's heart, but all these cuties are just so much better than her...The SD Gundam designs reflected that a little better.
>>23788700>Hathaway-Gigi-KennethYou can say this for amuro,char,lalah too you know
>>23788941They can all be good looking but Gigi doesn't give off sophisticated escort vibe. I think her voice casting was good, but she does seem to have a lot of skills desirable of a high class escort. The VA imparts a childish vibe. Ironically a voice like lalah 's would have been a better fit. An otherworldliness.
>>23788959>You can say this for amuro,char,lalah too you knowNo I can't. Hathaway-Gigi-Kenneth wasn't earned. Hathaway barely knows them and met them only once.Amuro-Lalah-Char was a primal. A true triangle. Amuro and Char had a deep history of many battles and almost killing eachother several times.Does Hathaway kill Gigi? No? Then forget about it.
>>23788941>I think it's a problem that all the girls in Mafty are good looking. Gigi is supposed to be this Goddess that captures Hathaway's heart, but all these cuties are just so much better than her... I remember this board had a thread about this very topic. Some anons said the movie character designer was making all the characters too pretty, too trendy, and too young. That they needed to be more scrappy looking with different ages. Not looking like a bunch of teenagers at summer camp. Not several years later this topic is being brought up again. How fitting.
>>23788941>>23788968>>23788981>movie spends all is screentime showcases Gigi in various different outfits and showing off her >Nooooo this butterface glasses meganee and the frumpy bald girl looks better
>>23788987Art mirrors life
>>23788489Zero is going to be an OVA.
>>23788567Chan deserved it.
>>23788550>enough action.this entry isn't for you.
>>23788526>He had a beam saber slowly stabbing Nu GundamMaybe Hathaway knew what he was doing. You could also interpret it as Hathaway almost getting self destructed before he hears Gigi's voice.
>>23788581>You mean the "put on a t-shirt" thingNo, that's Julia.>Sure the animation is nice but it's like Hathaway goes mental for some reason that isn't clearly explained.Anon, I...>Hathaway is saying that, unlike Amuro, he's more than just a pilot.>Okay. A rational argument.Do you not realise whose line he is paraphrasing?
>>23788987I'm talking about her voice, faggot
>>23788941Beauty is subjective but rest of the girls don't tingle Hathaway's newtype brain like Gigi.>The SD Gundam designs reflected that a little betterNo, she looks hideous in that. Mikimoto's design is way better.
>>23788926>Mirai actually DID cheat on Bright with Sleggar.that's not cheating that's BSS.
>>23788567Are they ghosts? Isn't it just his imagination? I thought only *nicorn did ghosts.No, Zeta's thing is different.
>>23788981>Not looking like a bunch of teenagers at summer camp.But that's the point though, most of them were college kids. Students (especially irl) are extremely passionate when it comes to activism, and Quack Salver managed to weaponize that.
>>23788987Sorry Gigifag, your whore just isn't all that special. And DEFINITELY not wife material.
So, long story short: Another generic UC drama snoozefest, except the postergirl waifu is a whore and sleeps with dirty old men and the cgi mecha looks dogshit as usual.
>>23789126I mean, this place is full of redditors so she is wife material to them for sure.
>>23787450I also like that the CIC looks like an actual modern sub CIC and not like someone asked an art team to draw 'a submarine but sci-fi'.
>>23788700>This whole movie feels like an unnecessary drama. Why doesn't Hathaway just shoot Kenneth with his beam rifle and continue his attacks? Why is he allowing Kenneth to harass his team?They don't meet each other in this.>Why does Hathaway-Gigi-Kenneth act like they've known eachother for years and are best friends?Newtype connections and shared bonding due to hijacking on Haunzen.Gigi likes Hathaway and is just using Kenneth to get to him. Hathaway is conflicted on her cause she reminds him of Quess.Kenneth is superstitious, he genuinely believes Gigi is a good luck charm and trusts her instincts. He also has a weird pseudo daughter sexual attraction to her.Hathaway respects him cause unlike Kimberly, he is a very capable commander. They have a heart to heart in the hotel where he finally gets to unwind because he has to put up a strict demeanour in front of his subordinates. He also kind of hates Federation despite working for them, so the possibility of somebody like Hathaway working for Mafty interests him.also, fujobait.
>>23788526>>23788532you should see her death in Victory.
>>23788577>>23788578What a hoe. Imagine if the guys just threw themselves at her afterwards.
Are they going to keep the ending the same. I need to see this faggot get cucked by Quess and die. This faggot doesn't deserve a happy ending
>>23788987>butterface glasses meganeeI love Gigi but there's no need to be rude towards Mihessia.
>>23787337So why doesn't he becomes a monk or a Jedi or something?
>>23788134>no Laura RollaWeak.
Sorry for speedwatching, but what was the reason for Hathaway to go to Ayers Rock?
>>23789322He was leading off the Circe unit so the surviving Mafty members can escape and regroup. He saw that Gawman's Messer unit were shot down along with the Valiant which was around that area its what he noticed while returning
>>23789322There's no way Mafty would be hiding in a tourist attraction!
>Fabio didn't betray Hathaway Well I'm flabbergasted given his design
>>23789334Why would he? He desperately needs Quack Salver's resources and helping Hathaway is the only way to earn that.
>>23789346>Why would he?nta, his design screams hypermasculine military macho man who has nefarious intentions. I can't blame people who suspect him.
>>23787082>>23787092>>23788871I really need to internalise the rough timestamps for these.
So who survived from Mafty?
>>23788089if its still frames sure but when its in motion it looks like some garbled garbage that I can't even tell whats going on.
>>23789369Kelia (she left), Iram, Emeralda, Raymond, Maximilian, Fortune, Hendrix and Heinrich are confirmed. Gawman and his team presumably lived.
>Hathaway has a psychotic break over the events of CCA>the fact that he murdered Chan is never brought upWhat are these writers smoking?
>>23789419Who gives a fuck about Chan?
>>23789419speedwatcher-kun...
>>23789419There's specifically a flashback added of it since it didn't happen in the novelIf you mean why does nobody else bring it up, nobody else knows he did it.
>>23789436I think Bright (and possibly Mirai too) knows. They are obviously setting it up in such a way that he gets blackmailed/pressured by Manhunter's boss, Hundley in the final film.
Think it's possible Bandai may change the ending so Hathaway live, like, in a faraway place, Shiro Amada style? Novels can do anything, maybe executing the main character, one that is Bright Noa's son, may be too much.
>>23789463They're not deviating much from the novels and the dour ending is what makes Hathaway's Flash memory to begin with. The best you can hope for is to keep his fate open ended maybe have Bright give a monologue ala No Country for Old Men.
>>23789463Some japanese fans are speculating the 'Mafty' dies, Hathaway lives ending, possibly with Iram sacrificing himself, while Noa fucks off to Kyuushu or wherever. It sounds like wishful thinking since Murase has already said that he would be sticking close to the novel, so ending being changed is out of question.But until the 3rd film comes out we can't say for sure, so there's no use losing sleep over this.
If they make any change to the ending it's not going to be Hathaway surviving, it's going to be adding some kind of payoff to his fate that the novels original non-canonical status compromised
Well I can see why fangirls went to see this multiple times
>>23789489>Hathaway grappling with his carnal desires and inner turmoil.>Gigi going on a journey of liberation from Count's shackles.Meanwhile, this studboy is swimming carefree in stewardess pussy and sleeping like a baby.
>>23789422>>23789434>>23789436Give me a break. Shooting a random tiny looking mobile suit in a flashback doesn't tell the casual audience about Hathaway's murderous crimes. The scene is so fast that you can blink and miss it. Where is Chan's ghost? Why does Amuro and Quess show up but not Chan? Hathaway was good friends with Chan during CCA and he backstabbed and killed her. THAT'S what people want the movie to acknowledge. Not this "generic PTSD" that the director is trying to do.
>>23789530Chan wasn't a powerful Newtype.
>>23789168>Newtype connections and shared bonding due to hijacking on Haunzen. >Gigi likes Hathaway and is just using Kenneth to get to him. Hathaway is conflicted on her cause she reminds him of Quess. >Kenneth is superstitious, he genuinely believes Gigi is a good luck charm and trusts her instincts. He also has a weird pseudo daughter sexual attraction to her. >Hathaway respects him cause unlike Kimberly, he is a very capable commander. They have a heart to heart in the hotel where he finally gets to unwind because he has to put up a strict demeanour in front of his subordinates. He also kind of hates Federation despite working for them, so the possibility of somebody like Hathaway working for Mafty interests him. I appreciate your in-depth response. It told me a lot. But I'm going to be straight with you. None of what you said, except maybe a moderate level of respect between Hathaway and Kenneth, is conveyed well in the writing of the anime. Everything just seems to randomly happen without sufficient explanation. If I were a casual audience member with not much Gundam knowledge, I would be confused about what's going on and the relationship between characters. The anime doesn't explain well why Gigi is hanging around. The best thing this anime has going for it are the visuals and cinematic presentation. The camera angles, lighting, and shadows imitate Hollywood movies very well. My one complaint is that battle scenes are a little too dark and the Gundams don't seem to have enough wear or damage on them considering these are weapons of war being used in combat. They look too clean.
>>23789354>nta, his design screams hypermasculine military macho man who has nefarious intentions. I can't blame people who suspect him.Uh no. Hathaway is just too short. Fabio is just a regular 6 ft tall dude. Rmemever that Hathaway is an Asian man. Both his parents are Asian. And Asians don't get very tall in real life in average. Hathaway is probably 5 foot 4 inches or maybe 5 foot 5 inches. Not a tall guy.
>>23789134>So, long story short: Another generic UC drama snoozefest, except the postergirl waifu is a whore and sleeps with dirty old men and the cgi mecha looks dogshit as usual.The main problem, as Tomino has said repeatedly, is that UC Gundam does not work if there isn't a big war going on.Tomino said that he wrote UC Gundam anime to take place during a war. The reason people act emotional or make rash decisions is because of the pressure of trying to survive and not die during war time. Tomino said it's essential for UC Gundam anime to work. It's foundational. Tomino said that he never intended Hathaway's Flash to be an anime. He wrote the novel to be a shorter epilogue to Char's Counterattack. To give himself and fans closure about certain CCA characters like Bright, Mirai, and Hathaway. He felt CCA was too abrupt of an ending. However Tomino was depressed when he wrote the Hathaway's Flash novel, and admitted he may have made the story a bit too dark and the ending too depressing. Which is why he thinks it's unsuitable for an anime.Lastly Tomino also said in another interview that there isn't enough material in Hathaway's Flash to make 3 movies like Bandai wants. So Bandai had been adding a bunch of filler to extend the story. In another interview when asked about the fates of other characters (like Sayla, Fraw Bo, Kamille, Mineva, etc) not mentioned in the anime, Tomino said that they aren't relevant to the Gundam story anymore. Tomino said that if he doesn't mention them in his novels or anime, then assume the character happily lived out the rest of their lives in peace and stayed away from any more battles.
>>23789115>Are they ghosts? Isn't it just his imagination? I thought only *nicorn did ghosts. Zeta Gundam did ghosts. ZZ Gundam did ghosts. CCA did newtype ghosts. Every series has newtype ghosts.
>>23789539>just a regular 6 ft tall dude.are you a woman?
>>23789196>>23789463>>23789472>>23789479>>23789480>are they going to change the endingSome fans are begging Bandai to change the ending. They want a happier ending for Hathaway and don't want him to die because the ending is so sad. Other hardcore Gundam fans disagree and want Bandai to stay true to the novel and stop trying to rewrite Tomino's vision. They believe Hathaway's death is what makes this story memorable to begin with.Tomino is just laughing and said he would have never animated Hathaway's Flash to begin with. The story isn't suitable for anime. But he doesn't really care about Gundam anymore and Bandai can do whatever they want.Tomino wants to make newer, happier, and more positive anime. Gundam is behind him now.
>>23789535>None of what you said, except maybe a moderate level of respect between Hathaway and Kenneth, is conveyed well in the writing of the anime.Thats basically a "you" problem you realize that right?
>>23789535>If I were a casual audience member with not much Gundam knowledge, I would be confused about what's going on and the relationship between charactersWhy would a casual audience member watch something that has requires you to have watch a 30+ year old movie and a 4 year old prequel?
>>23789530>Shooting a random tiny looking mobile suit in a flashback doesn't tell the casual audience about Hathaway's murderous crimes. The scene is so fast that you can blink and miss it.You are not a casual viewer (hopefully), so stop worrying about that. This is a direct sequel to CCA and 1st film, so audience is expected to remember some key details at least.>Where is Chan's ghost? Why does Amuro and Quess show up but not Chan?Hathaway is having a schizo episode and has compartmentalized killing her in his mind.>Hathaway was good friends with Chan during CCAHe wasn't.>killed her. THAT'S what people want the movie to acknowledge.It did, pay attention.
>>23789545I'm gonna be honest with you, even the "war stories" of UC make me fall asleep so hard. This franchise is full of overly emotional talking heads and the same tiresome war bad cliches, no wonder it gets even worse when you take one trash out and the remaining trash starts getting more noticable.
>>23789559>>23789554>Thats basically a "you" problem you realize that right?Lmao. You really think this is some clever "gotcha"? Anon...do you not have friends? Maybe even family? I have casual friends who tried to watch Hathaway's Flash on Netflix and were completely lost.
>>23789568>I watched a movie that requires you to have an extensive familiarity with UC lore and to have watch an old late 80s movie and now Im lost
>>23789546They were not ghosts. They were fragments of their psyche that lived in the Newtypes that had a connection to them. Kamille didn't see Lalah, as an example.
>>23789596>They were not ghosts. They were fragments of their psyche that lived in the Newtypes that had a So, ghost.
>>23789489What I see is Kenneth exists solely to service top. I see way more Hathaway and lain fan girls and Kenneth just exists for fujos
>>23789576>>I watched a movie that requires you to have an extensive familiarity with UC lore and to have watch an old late 80s movie and now Im lostDo you see any of this mentioned on the movie posters? None of this was mentioned in the advertising of the movie. Try again.
>>23789596Lalah literally visited Amuro during CCA. She even complained how much of a strain it put on her soul to visit them 14 years after her death. Amuro told her to go away and leave him alone.
>>23789567Why not just watch something you like then, anon? Nobody's forcing you to watch Gundam or any specific Gundam setting if you don't enjoy it.
>>23789613>None of this was mentioned in the advertising of the movie.Its literally advertised as a sequel to CCA
>>23789619I always thought it was Amuro rationalising 'Char is very kind person deep down' from Zeta through Lalah's ' Char is pure' line.
>>23789626Giving things a chance before the final judgement.
>>23789633At some point you stop being fair and just start doing this to yourself.
>>23789613>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1LRA0lBphQThis was one of the earliest teasers for the HF movies, it explicitly says that it's a sequel to CCA.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YN9SbAZhekNetflix had to put this out because they even knew that you need some prior knowledge about the lore.They even put pic-related out there for those who want to speedrun the UC saga during the shilling campaign for the second movie.You're just arguing in bad faith at this point, might as well go mask off and resume shitposting about "Hathaway's Trash" on /a/ and this board.
>>23789660>Hathaway's TrashThat's a nice summary of this series
>>23789660Saying "it's a sequel to CCA" is different than saying>a movie that requires you to have an extensive familiarity with UC lore and to have watch an old late 80s movieThese are your words. Don't be made because you got called out.
>>23789672That was me retard and also the fucking fact that Bandai made a list of films you need to watch before Hathaway 2 is proof that you do need that prior knowledge to watch it. Like what are you even doing?
>>23789660>picture meant for Japanese markets only and written in Japanese.>teaser from a non-American youtube channel spoken in Japanese. >an obscure video essay that was published long AFTER the Hathaway's Flash was already released! You gotta be joking.
>>23789679>obscure video essay>The official Netflix Anime with 2.5 million subs
>>23789682>600k views>came out after the movie was already released. Lmao. Try again.
>>23789567The director is a butt-hurt coomer boomer crossdresser. His final conclusion to the gundam plot-line is "Androgynous brown people take over the earth and appropriate Victorian culture". The cycle of war can never be broken - because out writers won't let it. Its all dated leftist idealism; very edgy and progressive, like Obama.
>>23789619It's not her soul. And it is as I said, they're not ghosts, they're some sort of Fragment that sticks to the people who've "connected consciousness" with them. The only argument here for them being ghosts is them having a "range" (according to Char, and perhaps Amuro (although his could mean Earth interferes with it, or that you need to be in a certain mental state to access these fragments (and we know your mental state changes depending on location).If they were ghosts, nothing would stop Lalah from talking to Kamille. And as far as I recall, the fragments that "stuck" to Kamille don't speak to other Newtypes (exception being when Kamille acts as a relay).
>>23789660How would people even know to look up a Netflix video essay? Are there movie posters with the video link telling people to watch it?
>>23789694>If they were ghosts, nothing would stop Lalah from talking to Kamille.Why would Lalah speak with him? She has nothing to say to Kamille and no relationship with him. They never met.
>>23789695>Do you see any of this mentioned on the movie posters? None of this was mentioned in the advertising of the movie. Try again.>None of this was mentioned in the advertising of the movieKeep moving goalposts you retard
>>23789700A video analysis essay is not advertising. Plus other anon already said it came out after the movie was released.
Hathaway's trash
>>23789547Anon he's quoting facts. Most Westerners have a taller average height than those in Asian countries.However those in Asian countries generally live longer (by 5 to 10 years on average) and sometimes have a healthier diet. Particularly the Japanese who focus on fish and vegetables.So it's a trade off.It's entirely possible Hathaway is just very short.
Where did all of this shit posting come from? You realize the movie was advertised with all the other Gundam versions on the train right? Bandai did weeks of releasing movies in theaters leading up to the release to see in theatres. Hathaway 2 had a double feature with CCA done in theatres. You can fuck right off with this nonsense. They were very clear it was a sequel to previous 0079 installments.
>>23789880I haven't kept up with all the posts about it, but I think it's best to ignore it. All the trailers for the 1st movie mentioned either CCA or Char.And it's not like you wouldn't get the movie if you haven't seen the rest of UC.
>>23789880Watching CCA is not enough for casuals to understand Hathaway.Just like how watching CCA is not enough to understand Unicorn.
>>23789895Unicorn was hilariously successful with casuals and first time Gundam viewersAll the stuff you think is essential to know is basically flavor text to make veteran viewers happy, everything you *actually* need to know was in Unicorn itself. Likewise with Hathaway.
>>23789895>Watching CCAYeah that's why they brought back the previous Gundam movies to see in theatres
>>23789898>Unicorn was hilariously successfulLet's be clear. Unicorn was wildly successful with Gundam plastic model sales. It sold crazy amounts in in Asia and Japan. That's what Bandai wanted. >with casuals and first time Gundam viewers Not in America or the West.
>>23789903That's because Americans/westerners have a stick up their ass and can't enjoy things anymore. It had to be their version of perfect or they get no enjoyment from it. Unicorn is successful in the markets they care about
did they show gigi's nipples or just the mafty girl's? or did they not even show her nipples and it's just the side shots people posted itt? I was told there would be pussy hair so if it ends up the movie doesn't even have nipples I'm gonna be pissed.
>>23789913It is a kid's movie.
>>23789895>how watching CCA is not enough to understand Unicorn.The main context can be understood by solely watching CCA. The rest is just "cool to know, not missing out that much". Do you care about Marida's origin story? Where did those Doven Wolf and Sturm Gallus came from? No you don't care, they are not the most fatal aspect of the plot.
>>23789905>That's because Americans/westerners have a stick up their ass and can't enjoy things anymore. Americans loved Gundam Wing. Why can't the Japanese make more anime like Gundam Wing?
>>23789954Wing fanbase is very self contained, unlike the mainline UC fanbase that you can see retards and autistic brats everywhere.
>>23789954>Americans loved Gundam WingYeah it's easy to see why
>>23789966It was a good anime.
>>23789954Wing is 30 years oldIt is, as the kids say, boomer slop
>>23789969Maybe. But it's still very popular Boomer slop. They did that brand new remastered video like 2 months ago. Also Gundam Wing merchandise and toy sales are still extremely good.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AVujlNBFbsLooks like they already caught wind of the camrips and just dropped the spoiler-heavy ED MV.
>>23789967Wing was written like an adhd fever dream. People don't like thinking they like the wacky lines that don't make sense. It's easy to see why Americans like it when all you have to do is look at their reality media. It's the same kind of shit. Politics, celebrities, etc. Americans love lines that can be taken out of context and spammed for the lol'z some media is great, just like some media is awful but that specific taste of ridiculousness directly appeals to burgers.t. Burger who hates wing but can understand why other burgers adore it
>>23789979It's still relatively popular in Japan despite getting completely overshadowed by EVA during its original run. It even got an OVA while G and X doesn't have any.
>>23789932kids like nipples too
>>23789986>People don't like thinking they like the wacky lines that don't make sense. >Gundam>ThinkingLol. Lmao even.
I feel like I'm seeing this movie in four minute clips. Is this what it's like being a tiktok person?
>>23789981They have been doing that for a month now.
Why the hell does this always leak before it's available to be seen in theatres? They clearly have the subtitles ready to go??? Seriously, what were they thinking?
>>23790048jfc how nu are you? it's by chinks.
>>23790048Blame Bandai. They do not want to do a worldwide release. They want to milk Japan for as much money as possible before letting the movie be shown in other countries.
International release is coming, I'm just preparing myself for something dumb like them not getting it an Imax run while drek like Gqux did
>>23790058every single time it leaksand every single time it always has en subtitltesand every single time the EN release is far away after the CN release.
>>23790076I feel like Bandai has to make up their money invested in the movie by domestic sales only then once they break it, thru don't give a shit and release it everywhere because they already made their money back
>>23790076yeah no shit baka gaijins don't matter to them, this isn't a news.
>>23790080>>23790093This was actually a huge issue in the 90s and 2000s. Bandai of America and Bandai of Japan faced constant disagreements with eachother. Former Bandai of America employees have that said Bandai of Japan (the head office) was very narrow-minded and extremely stubborn. BoJ only cared about Japan and nothing else.Gundam Wing. Cowboy Bebop, and Big O animes just did "okay" in Japan, but we're MASSIVE surprise hits in America. So BoA pushed for BoJ to make more anime that catered to Western tastes. Americans even paid Bandai to make Big O season 2. It was fully funded by American companies. BoA was trying to create new potential sources of revenue and money. But even with Americans willing throw money at Bandai to make anime they like, BoJ refused and shut down the whole project. They didn't like the idea of Americans and Bandai of America telling Bandai of Japan what anime to make.Many Bandai of America employees quit and left the company.
>>23790107Wing put Katoki's name into mainstream so i wouldn't claim it just did okay in Japan. Big O is a complete flop there however.
>>23790107>Gundam Wing. Cowboy Bebop, and Big O animes just did "okay" in Japan, but we're MASSIVE surprise hits in AmericaThis is misinfo, Wing and Bebop were very popular shows in Japan.
>>23788577>>23788578She even undoes the string holding the top around her neck as she exits the Xi, leaving the other two guys a bit surprised but happy to see her tits.
>>23789559But that's exactly what happened with GSF, and it brought a massive legion of new fans into the SEED-verse.And while not a movie, same thing for GQUX. Bandai themselves even stated they were also surprised by the number of new fans showing up with GQUX despite explicitly advertising it as an alt UC story for existing fans.And before either, Unicorn also served as the new entry point for new fans not interested in the original trilogy due to age. Bandai themselves also stated this, hence their shift towards trying to market Banana and Mineva for a few years.So while it's weird, it's already happened multiple times.
>>23789913> I was toldYou are extremely gullible and lack critical thinking skills.
>>23790139Incorrect. Wing TV ratings were average. But the gunpla sales were good.Cowboy Bebop was below average, and the toy sales and home media were bad.Both became amazing hits in America.
>>23790434>But that's exactly what happened with GSF, and it brought a massive legion of new fans into the SEED-verse. No. That's not what happened at all. It was noted by the Seed Director and Bandai staff on social media that the majority of Seed Freedom Theater Audience members were older people who grew up with Seed 20 years ago. Like Fathers and Mothers who would occasionally bring their children along.
>>23790434I hate to tell you this, but GQUX has been buried and forgotten in Japan. The GQUX story wasn't very good, and couldn't stand the test of time. So most people forgot about it and moved on.
>>23790509I thought Cowboy Bebop was a vanity project by the studio. It's not made to shill toys and any mech sales from that is just a bonus to them.
>>23790524Whoeever told you that was wrong. They were thinking of the 1980s when anime studios had so much money and could easily afford to make experimental anime projects. And if anything failed, it didn't matter. The 1980s Japanese economy was that good. In the 1990s, the Japanese economy crashed and the bubble burst. Anime Studios couldn't afford to make experimental anime projects anymore unless it was profitable. Home media like VHS, DVD, and toy sales became extremely important to anime studios to help generate money.Cowboy Bebop received some praise from Japanese critics, but performed below average in Japanese TV ratings. The home media sales and toy sales sold poorly. However Cowboy Bebop did amazing in overseas markets - especially America. Home media sales sold like crazy for an anime. This is the reason Bandai decided to make The Cowboy Bebop movie. To appeal to Americans and Western audiences.So you have Americans to thank that the Cowboy Bebop movie got made.
I'm not sure if Gigi's voice actress is the right fit.
>>23790509Wing had this whole husbandoism going on and a romantic subplot that resonated with female audiences. Relena was also the accidental waifu back then because the type of dignified young queen being the female lead has never been done in Gundam before. Gunpla sales back then is up to debate, but no doubt the fanbase was loyal to the series and were willing to spend their money. No one gave a fuck about Cowboy Bebop's characters, even in America, the Burgers treat it nothing more than a childhood nostalgia.
>>23790509Wing was the smash hit of it's season, it and Macross 7 were the top of genre popularity.Then Evangelion started and completely atomized the lasting impact of everything else around it. M7 had ended a week or two earlier, but Wing had the incredible fortune of Eva starting it's run the literal week it's production was collapsing, the two week recap episode pause as the showrunner changed
>>23790516You might never know. Gundam X suddenly gain a big fanbase decades later for example. Gqux is still too new to judge its stand againts time.
>>23790542>This is the reason Bandai decided to make The Cowboy Bebop movie. To appeal to Americans and Western audiences.>So you have Americans to thank that the Cowboy Bebop movie got made.Burgers are so retarded.
>>23790595Yeah but X isn't dogshit like Gqux
>>23790577>Wing was the smash hitNo it wasn't. Stop lying. Look up the numbers. >of it's seasonOh so your trying to split hairs now. Like how some American movie studios say:>"This movie is the biggest box office success of any movie released on a Tuesday in March 2025!" >>23790604Burgers recognize good anime and support it. Unlike Japan which only likes Otaku pandering anime. Burgers are the reason Big O got a Season 2.
>>23790509Wing was the most popular Gundam since 0079 before being surpassed by Seed. Its success allowed more Gundam shows to be made. Saying that it was more popular in America is just wrong.Bebop had good ratings for its timeslot, this was the post-Eva environment where late night anime had started to gain traction. It was a critically acclaimed and topped popularity charts. It was successful in US but western fans act like it was some obscure show in Japan that they dug up and saved which is just nor true.
>>23790595>Gundam XIt has some good mecha designs but terrible writing. Gundam DX deserved a better story and a better pilot than Garrod. They should reboot X with a new story.
>>23790613>Burgers are the reason Big O got a Season 2.yeah and it was shit.
>>23790614>Saying that it was more popular in America is just wrong. Why is it so hard for you to accept that Americans liked Gundam Wing more than the Japanese did? It's a pretty common fact. The Japanese prefer UC or Seed. Americans liked Wing and G Gundam (to a lesser extent). Not every single Gundam series is a massive hit in Japan.
>>23790623>Why is it so hard for you to accept that Americans liked Gundam Wing more than the Japanese did?Cause it's not true.
>>23790542You are the kind of retard that believes bullshit like 'Watanabe prefers the Dub'.
>>23790623Wing is notorious in Japan for being a shoujo Gundam because it has an army of fangirls. The anime merchandise somehow sold as strong as the gunpla. G and Victory had around similar TV ratings yet one show ended up niche and one show ended up killing UC and leaving a long lasting damage.
>>23790615>They should reboot X with a new story.Oh yeah can't wait for dogshit cgi mecha and our beloved protagonist: Tiffa Adil the strong independant lesbian who needs no man.
>>23790560Nips like Reina Ueda, they think her voice sounds similar to Hayashibara who voiced Gigi in the games.
>>23790626>Cause it's not true.Sorry but believe actual TV ratings numbers over your schizo headcanon.
>>23790644>Actual tv ratings>Schizo headcanonVictory: 3.9%Unicorn: 1.7% Guess Victory is not a colossal flop then!
>>23790623Japanese made Wing fanarts get shit out literally everyday. There is no way Japs don't like Wing. Their obssession with the show is unhealthy if anything.
>>23790644>actual TV ratings numbersyes, Wing has higher rating than any 90s Gundam tv show.
>>23790668Wing has a bunch of doujinshi and character merchandises being sold in otaku conventions. Burgers's love for Wing is nowhere near that level of fanatism.
>>23790655Unicorn TV was technically a rerun, not anyone who watched the OVA is interested to revisit it again.
>>23790667Americans liked and supported Wing much more than Japan ever did. >>23790636>>23790655Do you not understand English? Wing had much higher TV ratings in America. During the 90s and 2000s, Bandai sold much more Wing toys and gunpla in America than they ever did in Japan.Wing was much more popular in America.
>>23790678That TV rating is the new normal ever since Gundam Age.
>>23790680Show me America made hot smutty comic of Zech and Heero.
AGE is the 9/11 of Gundam's tv viewership in Japan.
>7.1 M views https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iaEZzOkcDw>2.5 M viewshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueB0oNajuEg
>>23790693I don't understand.
>>23790693You do realize that YouTube is an American owned and operated website right? Lmao.
>>23790760Try to find any random Japanese videos with Japanese title and see how many Americans are there in the comment section. Probably 3 in a 10000
>>23790760That's not how youtube algorithm works
>>23790904>>23790906... On an American website
>>23790690IBO rated worse than Age did
>>23790680The only difference between the two is longevityIt was successful in both, it had came and went swiftly in Japan because of the Eva wave, in the US it became the definitive Gundam thing of the time because nobody had any attachment to the UC there and Eva never aired on tv
