Best White Base girl if we’re talking actual girlfriend material. Fraw needs more love!!!
imagine unironically adopting three whole children Fraw I know EFF ain't paying you that well you might wanna slow your roll here
>>23787527I don't love her.
>>23787527Her bikini fan service at the end of Origin was absolute peak.
I just feel bad for her really, she ends up with Hayato on the rebound from Amuro, then Katz dies, then Hayato dies. Being Fraw is suffering.
>>23789135They both die and she still doesn't end up with amuro. Based decision
This will never not make me laugh.
>>23789225yas is such a fag.
>>23789232It's so funny how much he hates Hayato.
Reminder that she's not wearing like a skirt variant of the uniform. She's just not wearing pants.
>>23789241Yet he looks like a real life Hayato himself.
>>23789241
>>23787527>Best White Base girlIs Sayla>if we’re talking actual girlfriend material.Still Sayla
>>23789135She's a pushover, probably can't say "no Katz you can't join AEUG" because she's not his real mother.
>>23789459>Sayla>actual girlfriend materialNo. I refuse to invite her brother over for Thanksgiving or Christmas.
>>23789456That's exactly why. It's projection of self-hatred.
>>23789482And she would agree with you.
>>23789536Too bad he shows up anyway, drinks way too much booze he didn't even bring himself, and then asks when are we having kids and if my penis even works right because, hey man, Zeon isn't going to revive itself.
>>23789540I tell him the same thing about him and Haman.
>>23789566That's the only way to get him to leave.
>>23789566Why hasn't OL Haman introduced Sayla yet?
>>23789574Because Char is role-playing as her and catfishing young boys in an MMORPG.
>>23787527No. No she's pretty dumpy.
>>23789225>>23789241It's ironic because Hayato ended up being a terrible father in both the Manga and anime. He abandons Fraw Bo and the kids to fight in the Gryps War. Hayato doesn't even send money back home. He let's Katz get killed. Then when the war is over Hayato refuses to return home. Instead he continues a desperate fight against Neo Zeon with no resources and ends up dying and leaving nothing for Fraw Bo and the kids.It feels like Hayato just wanted to bang Fraw Bo, and didn't care much after thst.
>>23789617They're all sitting on a shit ton of gold Sayla passed around
>>23789617Name a good parent in Gundam. I'll wait.
>>23789623Domon's parents
>>23789623>I'll wait.What else are you going to do? Not wait?Come on anon. You can do better. That saying doesn't mean anything here.
>>23789623>good parentFraw Bo. Fa Yuiry. Iori Rinko. Gilboa Sant. Jimba Ral. Kira's adoptive parents from Gundam Seed.
>>23789623Wilmit Zenam?
>>23789655I don't think Shinn's parents were bad before they died either. Also, did Fa ever have a kid or are you counting Kamille does that mean Lacus and Marina count too?
>>23789711Fa took care of the kids aboard the Argama. I guess people forget the Argama had children too.
>>23789711Fa had Shinta and Qum who Quattro brought on board and then immediately dumped on Fa when he suddenly remembered he had another kid that wasn't his that he dumped on somebody else.
>>23789715And then Fa ditched them to go babysit Kamille and that one woman on the Argama who seemingly only spawned into existence when someone needed to remove Shinta and Qum from a scene or point out they were missing looked after them, I guess.
>>23789715>QumUnfortunate name.
I like how Katz was trying to be like his hero Amuro, and just ended up being retarded.
>>23789623>>23789697Bellri's mom but also Seabooks parents. His father is good to him all around and the movie is also something of a family reunion film about Seabook and his sister reconciling with their mother through the F91 she made.
Fraw would get a better chance with Amuro if genders were reversed
Tomino doesn't know what to do with her, Hayato, Kai, and Sayla. You can see it in Zeta where civilians are abandoned in place of veterans. It's why CCA is hollow. Char is goin after Amuro but not the others
>>23790375>CCA is hollowWhat? CCA is all about Char being a giant manchild on a suicide mission to settle his beef with Amuro because the dude killed his mother-wife and robbed him of what he believes was any sense of peace and satisfaction in his life. The work is Char's story, and that guy is everything but hollow.
>>23789446>Reminder that she's not wearing like a skirt variant of the uniform. She's just not wearing pants.It's skin/nude colored stockings.
>>23790518No it isn't. Its bare legs like Fa. It's a visual representation for naive childhood and innocence.
>>23790521It's nude colored stockings. Look carefully anon.
>>23790518It's like those old versions of Nausicaä where her glider scenes look like nopan noskirt barelegs (or bearlegs as Arcueid says).
>>23789225Bloody hell, this might genuinely be worse than actual cuckolding.After being reduced to such state as a man you might as well just kill yourself.
>>23790931Nothing wrong with adopting, especially since these kids would’ve fallen into a run down foster care system or some equivalent at the end of the war if Hayato and Fraw didn’t pick them up
Hayato Kobayashi is a son of a bitchOooooh ooooohThat's why I fucked his wife and got filthy richOoooh oooooh
>>23789446>>23790521correct>>23790518>>23790543wrong, i've gone to the liberty of compiling all the fraw bow pantyshots i can recall to prove it. you can see all the way up on a couple of occasions, she could've worn the feddie white tights like mirai and sayla but i guess she liked the feeling of the wind on her legs.
>>23787527Literal garbage.
>>23789446There was a douj based on that.
>>23792410Absolutely based post.
>>23792551Woody's sloppy seconds
>>23792551that's a mean thing to say about matilda, anon>>23789045peak, but out of character. fanservice in every way possible.
>>23793066It was a desperate attempt to get Amuro to notice her.
>>23793063You know who knows about sloppy seconds? Hayato.
>>23793072One thing you can be sure with Hayato is that he actually procreated.Who knows if Amuro had actually knocked up any of the comfort women that Earth Federation had sent him.
>>23793077The Feds plan all along was to get a secret army of super powerful Newtype child soldiers going by having Amuro knock up random prostitutes.
>>23793083Yeah, but we have seen none of them years later.
>>23793081Great, now she's haunted.
>>23793085>Newtype ghost of Amuro perving on MILFraw
>>23793084Sure we did they are all Purus.
>>23793094Purus are Gihren's daughters though.
>Matilda is the canon stacy>Sayla is the heroine>Mirai is the luscious slampig for high T menFraw never had a chance
>>23793240>mirai is more fuckable than frawsure buddy whatever you say
Maybe if Fraw was more straight forward like Bel, she would have gotten some.
Now how about some Cecily love?
Fraw would have been perfect for Char. Char could have his Freudian dream woman who dotes on him endlessly, and Amuro could have went to Axis and got him an assertive dommy MILF.
>>23793578a long time ago i actually wrote a story about fraw bow being taken as a hostage by zeon (for some reason) and char tries to comfort her while the hostage negotiations are ongoing or something. unfortunately i wrote it on paper with pencil and i doubt i have it anymore, and last time i tried to rewrite a story i wrote back then i was really dissatisfied.
Esf women Matilda > Sayla > Christina > Fraw > Mirai
>>23793791>ChristinaWho? There's no such person on White Base
>>23793565>>mirai is more fuckable than frawListen man, even if we put aside that loser Cameron either Bright or Sleggar might be wrong on their own but both Bright AND Sleggar can't.Who exactly was pining on Fraw? Oh yeah, Hayato...
>>23793827I recall Kai making comments about how cute Sayla and Fraw were too. Although Sayla shut down Kai's attempts at flirting pretty quickly, and Kainjusr gave up after that. So Fraw did have other admirers. The men on white base weren't blind.
>>23793827Imagine if in the Origins' own canon AU, Mira got to know a young Artesia and Casval. Casval would jumped on Mira before Cameron was even a thing.
i thought mirai was a man when i first saw a screenshot of her before i watched gundam
>>23789623Lalah Sune
>>23793867I think Mirai is too passive and docile for Char, it's the same issue he has with Nanai, Char needs an active mommy like Lalah who always dotes on him and Mirai's too much of a fat tuna to do that.On the bright side, Char would probably have supported his own Hathaway against the feds and cared about his family more if he had the chance to have one.
>>23793919You know for what its worth Mineva ended up okay. At some point Haman hired a body double and Char kept her alive and safe through CCA. They seem to actually care about the kid on some level and it is kind of adorable when you think about it.
>>23793922Unironically they are the best parents in UC Gundam and I will die on this hill.
>>23793922It's the one trait of humanity both of them share as they're fundamentally the same person.Both Char and Haman are broken people with crippling trust issues but each of them, in their own ways, understood that Mineva had nothing to do with the any of the shit that was going on.Both of them failed to be real parents to her, while Haman did feel for her she ultimately still used her as a political pawn for most of her childhood despite having her own guilty conscience about it, Char tried to fix that by taking her away from Haman and frankly being able to put aside his own burning hatred for the Zabi was impressive considering he set up even Garma, but at the same time he really didn't do much for her afterwards.At the end of the day she still grew up alright if Unicorn is anything to go by, she's probably one of the more well adjusted UC kids together with Kikka when all's said and done, sadly Mineva could have really been the bridge for a reconciliation between Char and Haman but both of them were too broken by that point.
>>23793919If Char had a kid he'd probably fuck off after a few years, cut ties and create a new identity. Dude never commits to anything.
>>23793936If this was our world Haman would 100% be one of those insane dance/pagent moms.
>>23793946that image is hitting yikes levels that shouldn't even be possible
>>23793953As a proud white American how dare you disrespect my culture.
>>23793944>Char had a kidAs seen with Kamille, he'd dump all the key responsibilities on his kid, ensuring he doesn't take a majority of the responsibility.>>23793867>Timeline where Char stays Artesia with Mirai >Timeline where Char gets in the Gundam as the Federation ace>Timeline where the Feddies try to manipulate Char's real identity against ZeonWhy wasn't this GQuuuuuuX's story?
I want to write a fanfic about Newtype pregnancy and shit like knowing the gender of the baby immediately and intense couvade syndrome. You can't pilot because you also have morning sickness for some reason and you also end up gaining weight because you suddenly share all your partners weird late night cravings.It actually sounds like it would suck lol.
>>23787527I liked her knock-off in AGE more.
>>23793922>Char kept her alive and safe through CCA.anon, stop treating videogame shit as canon.
>>23793578Nanai was right there. It doesn't matter how good of a mother you would be to Char, they will always be in the shadows of Lalah, an unattainable standard.Think of Gendo's oneitis for Yui, neither Naoko nor Ritsuko could replace her.
>>23794054Nanai wasn't a mommy, she would let Char treat her like one but deep down thought it was pathetic and something she simply tolerated, and he knew that.Fraw was born to be a mommy. If Amuro and Char's positions had been switched I think the two of them would have ended up much happier and at peace.
>>23794005I always felt bad for Emily. Considering her husband waged a war of vengeance on behalf of another woman for decades and used her son and grandson as tools in said war.
amuro straight up calls fraw ugly in the novels right terrible taste
>>23794232amuro also steals the gundam when he overheard bright considering stopping him from piloting the gundam that he had never wanted to pilot and getting someone else to pilot it after he complained about being forced to pilot it because nobody else wouldhe was a fucktard
>>23794232in the 1979 novel, amuro is unsure about their relationship, pretty similar to how he acts in the show. it gets some development past that but fraw gets off the ship early on and their relationship isn't discussed much until amuro's spirit visits her after he's been killed.in secret rendezvous, there's the famous quote about "sexy" not being a word that describes her, but it's in the context of amuro comparing her to the crass pornography he's seen on the internet, and relating that to how he inherently wants to fuck lalah or something.
>>23794417wrong image
>>23794417Wasn't there also scene in the very beginning of the novel when Fraw is introduced where Amuro tries not to be a creep around her or something?
>>23794441not really, in the 1979 novel amuro first sees fraw when she's boarding the lift to get to the ship, after her mom and grandpa are dead. in secret rendezvous amuro is eating with her family, though in typical tomino novel fashion he then elaborates that amuro is trying to be more self-sufficient because he's figured out what jacking off is and he doesn't want fraw bow to come to his house without him knowing, though she still does and even steals his access card PIN and makes a spare key when amuro asks for it back.
>>23793578Char didn't even want the real Lalah but imaginary version of what he thought Lalah could have given him. Pairing any woman with Char is just a mental torture for her
>>23796444I can fix him, and by fix him I mean get his balls clipped.
>>23796470You can't fix him.
>>23796444he tells lalah he's only using her for her power, but i think it's pretty unambiguous that he did care deeply about her, even if he only realized that after she died
>>23793946>American Haman>a 22 year old childless rich woman taking care of Mineva, but pushing her into those dance/pageant shows>also lusting over a 14 year street rat named jewdoughwelp
>>23803762Char treated Lalah is not even that special from how he treated other girls later. If her child prostitute background is true, then this means Char basically rescued Lalah from one form of violence to immediately strap her into another form of violence. The woman Char acted less cruel the most in his life is Nanai, because Nanai is a strong independent woman, too intimidating compared to insecure vulnerable teenage girls
>>23803883the child prostitute stuff is borderline fanfiction that gquuuuuux tried to legitimize because it's such a well known meme. all lalah ever says, canonically, is she fights for the man who "saved her".nanai is just part of the job char has in CCA. he has to have someone like her with him otherwise he looks sad and pathetic and invites speculation. it's a well known secret, in universe, that lalah is his lover he never got over.
>>23805122Sure whatever he saved her from, the fact Char still took advantage of an indebted girl's ability is still fucked up. And it's not just Lalah, he pulled the similar habit to even Haman and Quess, mooching off them for whatever reason then doing it again with the next one. Is Lalah not special snowflake enough for Char?>it's a well known secret, in universe, that lalah is his lover he never got over.Char didn't get over a lot of things in his life. It's not like he expressed an ounce of remorse when he caused Lalah's death indirectly, all he did in CCA is whining Lalah could've given him this and that. Why should I take his feelings seriously again?
>>23805193>the fact Char still took advantage of an indebted girl's ability is still fucked upheadcanon, lalah clearly doesn't view it like this. compare lalah to someone like rei in evangelion who will die if she's ordered to, that's taking advantage of an indebted girl.>he pulled the similar habit to even Haman and Quesshe unambiguously hates haman and admits to amuro he found quess annoying. quess is the lalah analogue in CCA, and the point of her character is to show how char's morals have degraded so much that he really IS willing to take advantage of a girl's love for him to make her pilot a giant robot to further his selfish interests.>It's not like he expressed an ounce of remorse when he caused Lalah's death indirectlyright, because he caused her death directly. he cam blame amuro or his sister for being there but he chose to put her out on the battlefield.
>>23805316>lalah clearly doesn't view it like this. So did Quess, but of course children yearn for the mobile armors amirite>he unambiguously hates haman and admits to amuro he found quess annoying.I'm sure I already made it to you I don't care about Char's feelings, I'm talking about his pattern. Regardless of his intent, he still used them for his selfish interest, then repeated with the next female like a psycho. He used Lalah to fight Amuro, he abandoned Haman and Mineva to save himself after about 2 years freeloading on Axis, Reccoa stuff, he used Nanai for substitute mommy sex and to not look like a loser, then lastly Quess. You made it like Char only degraded in CCA when he's already an asshole with everyone his whole life, old habits die hard
>>23793174Amuro knocked up Gihren?
>>23805794>So did Quess, but of course children yearn for the mobile armors amiritecompare 19 year old char saving the life of 17 year old lalah to 33 year old char having 13 year old quess literally and metaphorically throw herself at him, and tell me these two situations are the exact same dynamic.>He used Lalah to fight Amurohe used lalah for her newtype powers, her fighting amuro was because she was also a soldier>he abandoned Haman and Mineva to save himself after about 2 years freeloading on Axisare you talking about CDA? who pretends that CDA is canon?>Reccoa stuffwhat, her getting mad char "emotional maturity" aznable doesn't make her pussy tingle like papsmear scoliosis does?>he used Nanai for substitute mommy sex and to not look like a loserhe used nanai so nobody would start rumors he was gay or still hung up on lalah, both of which are probably ambiguously true on some level>You made it like Char only degraded in CCA when he's already an asshole with everyone his whole life, old habits die hardthe point of CCA is it's a degradation and regression of his morals. everyone points to zeta char like he's somehow less personally motivated and "good" but really CCA char is an even more stark regression of how he behaves as a 19 year old in 0079. char's morals and personality and motivations more resemble girhen's than his own in CCA. he's wearing the full space nazi uniform and openly claiming legitimacy as zeon's son and the red comet. you're supposed to look at him and go "wow he's lost his fucking mind", not "damn char, same as always"
>>23793794
>>23789623The Mum from Witch from Mercury (Prospera I think it was) was bizarrely okay as a parent despite the fucked up intentions.
>>23806116>>23806117I like how you get girls for fighting for the Feds and the boys for fighting for the Zeeks
>>23787527Fraw is perfect, best gundam girl. I knew it instantly when I first saw her. It's the freckles that do it.
>>23806116Who the heck is the top left girl?Who the heck is the bottom right girl?These redheads were not in the original series. Are they in the movies?
>>23806943Right is from 0080 war in the pocket, left I think is from some VNs or manga.
>>23806943
>>23805122>child prostitute stuff is borderline fanfictionit's from Secret Rendezvous which was written by Tomino himself.>all lalah ever says, canonically, is she fights for the man who "saved her".read between the lines.
>>23806701fed4lyfe
>>23806943pretty sure top left is from Rise From The Ashes on the DC, but might have been from Blue Destiny?
>>23806943>he doesn't recognise christina come on anon
>>23792410Based beyond oldtype comprehension
>>23794539>she still does and even steals his access card PIN and makes a spare key when amuro asks for it back.That sounds highly illegal.
>>23810779well don't lock fraw bow out of your house then. she wants to watch :)
>>23812404Really, really wants to watch?
>>23793066>out of characterShe didn't mind taking baths naked with the kids later on WB
>>23816117you know taking a bath isn't inherently sexual, even if you are naked. they even have katz play up the "naive innocent kid doesn't know anything" angle in that specific scene.
>>23806117kek
>>23815064enough to break into your house, yeah
>>23806699Yeah she's an interesting one. She's incredibly dedicated to Eri, and doesn't actually seem to have been a bad mother as such to Suletta. Instead she just seems to have never developed an emotional attachment to Suletta and seen her as a child to be raised in service of a plan. No malice as such, just nothing. Which is pretty wild when you spend 16 years raising someone but I digress.Makes it funnier that Eri clearly considers Suletta her sister even if Prospera doesn't think of her as a daughter, though.>>23816467Yeah pretty much the point of that and Amuro having to fix the tap is showing an oddly domestic scene on White Base as a 'life goes on' kind of thing. War may not respect regular life but life doesn't stop for war either.
>>23789540doesnt sayla become an alcoholic and a serial cheater after the war?
>>23787527I love her.
>>23824102WAT
>>23826597
I don't think Char never getting over Lalah is entirely on himself, she definitely did some freaky newtype bond shit with him and her ghost was Skype calling him all the time he was in space. Amuro just lucked out by not living in space.
>>23793569People shit on Beltorchika because she isn't Sayla, but I honestly really like her as a character and think it sucks they scrapped her for fuckin cardboard Chan in CCA. Bel isnt Sayla but I don't think Sayla can be the kind of character Bel is. She comes into the plot and is totally disruptive which is at first annoying, but good for the dynamic for the protagonists. She also is blindly loyal to Amuro. Despite him being her hero from the OYW but then finding him completely depressed and scared to pilot a MS, she still sticks with him and drags him out of his depression to get his confidence back. She is really the perfect kind of woman. Amuro also clearly prefers blondes anyways, and I think it says alot that we have a draft for CCA which is called Beltorchika's children. Highly recommend the manga for it as well
>>23829868>Prefers Blondes Actually In the manga and side stories, Amuro is somewhat regretful that he didn't pursue Fraw when he had the chance. Amuro finally noticed her female charm after the OYW ended. There's still some sexual tension between them, but Amuro won't be a cheater. He respects Hayato's marriage to her.>not SaylaAmuro gets back together with Sayla in the side stories. But they end up breaking up again. The main problem was that Sayla wanted Amuro quit fighting and be with her. To leave fighting behind, stay with her, and start a family together. They can have kids. Sayla absolutely hated war and wanted nothing to do with that life anymore. She's somewhat traumatized by the death of her parents, and the events of the One Year War.Amuro just couldn't accept not fighting while others were risking their lives. Both couldn't agree on what kind of life they wanted to live. So they relcuctantly agreed to split. But only after a long night of passionate love making as a final goodbye. Then Amuro leaves. In some ways I think Sayla was right. Amuro should have just started a family with her. Leave the fighting behind. Sayla was right. No matter what Amuro does, there is always more wars, more enemies that appear, and it will never stop.
>>23829878Sayla and all the other people on Earth would've died to the Axis Drop if Amuro hadn't made the choice to continue fighting.
>>23829888I dunno. Hard to say. Some other hero might have risen up to stop char if Amuro wasn't around. Maybe Kamille.
>>23829854Char is a weak newtype, I doubt he got to see Lalah much after her death like Amuro (which might have just intensified his regrets and feelings).
>>23829892Kamille made the choice that Amuro didn't, he chose to have a peaceful life. Judau also fucked off at the end of his show.
>>23829962>char is a weak newtype.Tomino has indirectly commented on this.Newtype abilities in Gundam are often tied to openness and empathy. Char is… not that. His trauma, obsession with revenge, and difficulty forming genuine emotional connections (even with Lalah) limit his newtype potential. Char doesn't open up to others.Tomino wrote Char as someone who could have been "much more", but fails due to his closed off personality and choices. This is in contrast to Amuro who Tomino purposely wrote as more adaptable and emotionally open. Char can't let go of Lalah even after 13 years. While Amuro moves on and has true relationships with other women.Also, Tomino said not to focus on newtypes and their power levels. That wasn't his goal.and not how newtypes should be viewed. Characters like Haman and Scirocco are extreme and wrongful expressions of newtype potential. Characters tomino wrote as examples NOT to follow. Haman let's her emotions run wild and tries to dominate the wills of other people. Scirocco uses his newtype potential is a distorted way. Rather than truly opening up emotionally to others and forming a true newtype connection, Scirocco instead uses his power to manipulate the emotions of other people. He's not genuine.
>>23829892I always got the feeling that was precisely why Amuro kept at it after getting back in the saddle. In Zeta he's forced to face that opting out just means other people die instead. He did it because it meant others didn't have to, and being the best to ever do it means hopefully net less people having to die in the process. That final push to stop Axis pretty much sums it up, he's trying to take all that weight on his shoulders. It's what got him out of bed on White Base and it's what got him into the Nu for the last time.>>23830052That VR game, Silver Phantom, actually did a solid job of this. A character in the backstory is such an open newtype that it makes him useless in combat because of all the stuff he picks up from in other people, and it's heavily implied that your wingman is one but is so fixated on the idea of a 'good' newtype being a killing machine that it's stopping her awakening.The rest of the game's writing is pretty iffy but they got that part surprisingly right. I'd probably argue more right than Unicorn that it's otherwise riffing on.
>>23789623Since no one mentioned them, I'm sure Shiro and Aina made for good parents.
>>23790951I don't think it was the adopting that bothered anon
>>23789653After some time he could simply stop looking into the thread, and thus none of the replies would reach him
>>23829892Nah. That would have happened if it had been a long prolonged conflict, but the way CCA flows, if Amuro wasn't there, Char's would have just dropped Axis.Now, someone else probably would pop up afterwards and kill Char, but the Axis drop would happen if Amuro weren't there.
>>23830249If Amuro didn't join Londo Bell, then Bright would have reached out to Kamille or Judau.
>>23789456He is cucking himself through his own work. Truly a genius.
>>23812404Pretty sure that argument won't hold up in a court of law.
>>23827298Is that referencing something?
>>23789456Hayato turned out a bit stockier.
>>23830249Not to downplay Amuro's accomplishments, but Char sends the psychoframe to Londo Bell and doesn't use funnels against Amuro early in the movie. In one of his speeches he mentions joining his father.It's interesting to speculate on a future where Char would succeed and continue leading Neo Zeon.
>>23830460>Not to downplay Amuro's accomplishments, but Char sends the psychoframe to Londo Bell and doesn't use funnels against Amuro early in the movie. In one of his speeches he mentions joining his father. Yeah people seem to forget that part. Beltorchickas children made it even more clear. Amuro knows and comments that Char held back a lot during their battle in the Re-gz >It's interesting to speculate on a future where Char would succeed and continue leading Neo Zeon.I don't think Char ever intended to live and lead Neo Zeon. Char made A LOT of promises to some very powerful people in order to get his fleet and army built. He needed pay back these promises when the war was over or he won.He promised Anaheim Electronics continued conflict, war, and lots of mobile suit sales. He promised Spacenoids their freedom and prosperity. Giving lots of speeches.He promised Neo Zeon remnants that he would lead them and restore Zeon. He promised Nanai that she would be his wife after the conflict was over. That's the only reason she agreed to help him and build mobile suits. He promised peace with the Federation if he got Axis. He promised Quess several things. He promised Gyunei that he could have Quess. Char did the real life equivalent of maxing out his credit cards and taking out huge loans. I think Char fully intended to die. Even if he beat Amuro, I suspect he would have faked his death and went into hiding. He was never going to honor these promises. That's why Char made them.
>>23830346Military men who stay long periods of time away from their wives tend to cheat and get cheated on. It's really tough for Mirai to raise two kids with an absent father. Sayla gives her a helping hand and maybe something more...
>>23831020NTA but is there a single source or work of any kind that tries to explain the Quattro to CCA transition? ZZ told us suddenly, for no reason, from characters that had warm opinions of him, that he's probably planning something horrible and should be dead. And some Sony game gave us thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMz7YHPIiIso he's probably sad about Kamille... but never checked up on him because I guess that's still in-character for Char. Even headcanoning that feels difficult to reconcile. I think both "he only cared about dying" and "he only cared about humanity" are both insane takes, but holy shit this transition from Zeta is worrying, the poor guy was literally the healthiest and hopeful he's ever been.
>>23790379>killed his mother-wife and robbed him of what he believes was any sense of peace and satisfaction in his lifeI think this gets massively overblown. I think Char mentioning Lalah is just a small part of his overall meltdown
>>23793574Does anyone not like Cecily?
>>23831102Char's despairing rant about losing Lalah were literally his last words, the ones his utters knowing he was about to die. This was him at his most genuine, it was the core reason behind his actions.Tomino's villains are often like this, they hide behind grand ideals, but their core motivations are ultimately petty and selfish.
>>23831087I know there's some old stuff I read in the past. But I will have to do some digging to find them again.I think the very old lore was that Char didn't want to become the new leader of AEUG and get dragged into politics. Char hated being a leader and the public face. So when he realized all the AEUG leaders died during the final Zeta battle, Char went into hiding and made most people believed he died. So the AEUG leadership fell to Bright (And we all know Bright fumbled that badly).Char quietly observed the Federation in secret between ZZ Gundam and CCA. Char wanted to see if the Federation would honor the promises they made during Zeta gundam. Like promises about helping Earth's environment recover, lowering the population on earth by sending more people (including Elites) to space, and listening to the voices of Spacenoids. However when he saw the Federation had no interest in honoring their promises and going back to status quo, Char decided it was time to return.This is just my speculation, but I can't imagine Char being too happy about the Federation welcoming the Dublin Colony Drop and laughing at the civilians dying and the environment destroyed. I don't know what the current lore is now. I know new video games and new side material have changed some things. So it's possible things have changed and Char maybe had wacky adventures between ZZ and CCA. Who knows?
>>23831087>is there a single source or work of any kind that tries to explain the Quattro to CCA transition?yes, rewatch 2nd half of Zeta he is miserable there. Then watch ZZ, see how Federation going mask off evil and how it utterly fucks Earthsphere such that the mc of the show dips straight to Jupiter. Then watch CCA and pay attention every time two characters discuss Char and why he might be doing Axis drop (Amuro and Char at 5th Luna, Amuro and Lalah, Bright and Amuro, Cheimin and Mirai, Gyunei and Quess, Char and Nanai, Amuro and Char again at Londenion, Char and Neo-Zeon soldiers, Char and Gyunei, Amuro and Char again inside Axis, Amuro and Char again at the end).
>>23831087According to the novels, Char got angry at the Federation breaking for all their vows to protect the planet and giving spacenoids more rights. So he slowly built up his strength during ZZ gundam and created his own "Char faction" that were loyal to him. As to why Char didn't appear and take command of Neo Zeon during ZZ Gundam? I can only guess that he felt Neo Zeon and Axis were too far gone to be saved. Haman and Glemmy factions were killing eachother. Both sides had fanatics loyal to Haman or Glemmy. It would be impossible to recruit these people and lead them. Char probably felt it was best to let the Axis faction burn to the ground and not help them. Then Char could start over.
>>23831161As much as anything I think he didn't help them because he has no ideological attachment to what Zeon had come to represent in the OYW. In CCA he's basically just using the name because it combined with his identity gives him something to rally people around. It's not that he wants to actually be the revival of Zeon as such. It's a means to an end and much like when he spoke at Dakar, he's playing a role to reach that end.
>>23831170If Char wasn't so immature he could actually be a good long term leader. But he keeps taking his death and running away from responsibility. - He makes most people believe Char died during the OYW after the Battle of A Boau Que. - He then makes Quattro Bagina die at the end of Zeta make people believe he's dead. - Then Char disappears at the end of CCA after Axis shock. People think he's dead. - The "Char" returns as Full Frontal in Uniform. But Mineva says Full Frontal isn't the real Char. Just some cyber newtype fake modified to look like Char. - But surprise! Gundam NT says that Full Frontal actually WAS Char. Turns out Char split off part of his soul from Newtype Heaven and inserted it into Full Frontal. So it really WAS Char the entire time. - Then Char returns again as a Clone in the Gaia Gear novels set 100+ years later.
>>23831135I know Char always just wanted to pilot, and got wrangled by his leadership duties he begrudgingly accepted to begin with>AEUG leadership fell to Bright But he still had a ton of people to answer to in ZZ>disappointment during ZZThis makes sense, but why would he be in hiding, and why or when would Neo Zeon welcome him with open arms?>>23831144>rewatch 2nd half of Zeta he is miserable thereHe's still ultimately hopeful in the theatre scene and wants to support the next generation though.>ZZYes, it absolutely makes sense for him to get disgusted with the Federation, I was too.>CCANo yeah, I appreciate Gyunei and co spelling everything out for us constantly, I said it's specifically the transition from after Zeta that was a bit worrying, when he was vocally rather hopeful. Immediately going into hiding under Neo Zeon would be insane considering he was just fighting them, and surely Haman would have mentioned something - but then where would he be hiding on his lonesome and then just deciding to watch the Federation instead of being there for the next generation like he said he would?>>23831161No that's fine, he has every right to be upset during ZZ and CCA, I'm not asking "why would anyone dislike the Federation", it's just that aside from someone's autism turning into a coma, Zeta is when we've seen him the most hopeful.>hiding away somewhere and letting Neo Zeon implodeI get there'd have been a power vacuum, but again, I don't know where or how he'd have the leeway to suddenly start masterminding this shit while also not keeping track of Kamille.I'd say maybe he infiltrated Neo Zeon during ZZ to deal with the still-existing threat, but I feel every single spacenoid alive would know what he looks like.
>>23831443>AEUG leadership fell to Bright >But he still had a ton of people to answer to in ZZ Technically...Bright doesn't have to answer to anybody. AEUG is basically a mercenary organization. But Bright is so uncomfortable with being a political leader that he runs back to the Federation to rejoin the military. I guess Bright enjoys the comfort of the military and having someone else tell him what to do.
>>23831463>Technically...Bright doesn't have to answer to anybodyI have no idea how you can reach that conclusion when on-screen in ZZ we see at least one other AEUG ship and it clearly doesn't answer to Bright. He's leading the last combat effective ship that we're aware of but that's a big difference to literally leading AEUG.
>>23831658The fleet arriving at the end of ZZ is not only AEUG. It's a mix of AEUG and Federation ships. So of course they don't answer to Bright. >literally leading AEUG.Every other leader is dead. And Bright was the one that negotiated the Federation on behalf of the AEUG. He's the one that merged the AEUG into the Federation to create Londo Bell.
>>23831087>is there a single source or work of any kind that tries to explain the Quattro to CCA transition?did you watch what happened in the second half of zeta or are you just a fucking idiot? because i dont think anything short of Char turning to the camera and explaining what hes going to do without using big words would help you.
>>23831443>He's still ultimately hopeful in the theatre scene and wants to support the next generation though.No he's not hopeful. He is literally an actor on stage.
Gee, why does he have two shadows? It couldn't be a visual metaphor for anything...could it?
>>23831443>This makes sense, but why would he be in hiding, and why or when would Neo Zeon welcome him with open arms? Because not all of Neo Zeon would welcome him. Some factions would oppose him. At best Char would create a 3rd faction and we would have a 3 way civil war.
>>23831754At worst Neo Zeon would welcome him not with open arms, but with open legs.
>>23831724Looks more like two spotlights.
Since we're talking ZZ and its events. It's really FUNNY, how this is the ONLY time, a one in a million chance, for Char to do some real change.>The Earth Federation is broke after funneling everything to the Titans>Neo-Zeon is looming over the Earth Sphere>The AEUG needs a political leader >Instead Bright basically sold the AEUG back to the EFThe AEUG had the Federation by the balls, literally by the balls due to the threat of Neo-Zeon. All Char, all he needed to do was return to the AEUG, and basically negotiated with the Earth Federation about its implementation. Or else, they'll all get fucked in the end. Char can negotiate as show in CCA when the EF sold him Axis.Char would be in the perfect position in ZZ to negotiate with EF, he already revealed himself as the heir of Zeon, and made the Dakar Speech. He'd probably convince the EF to sack like 40% of their officials, while the others can remain. The EF would support Casval, seeing him as a way to stop Neo-Zeon. While, I doubt Neo-Zeon would bow down to Casval. There's still Zabi loyalists, and Haman loyalists. Propaganda could just have spun as 'Casval Deikun? Conquered the corruption of EF, and seeks to stop the corruption of his father's legacy', and incited a civil war between the Haman/Zabi loyalists and Deikun loyalists.
>>23832183>incited a civil war between the Haman/Zabi loyalists and Deikun loyalistsA civil war that ends in a lot of crying and a sloppy hand job that he could have done better himself.
>>23831463>>23831658Yeah, I don't know who's in charge of the AEUG (still Carbine?) other than the fact that they should be dead, but it's clear that Bright's constantly getting wrangled by shitty higher-ups>>23831688>>23831711https://youtu.be/i-nrIEH_3Vc?t=518>has two separate Neo Zeon/Haman-related breakdowns/spergouts, visibly less happy as he's saddled with leadershit>despite that, he's going to wait for humanity instead of trying to force them in any way like the Titans or Haman>>23831754Right, so ok where is he>>23831724>I was supposed to look at the shadows too
Fraw's model sheet.
>>23832354>Right, so ok where is he During ZZ? The novels and side material say he went underground and in hiding. He pretended to be dead/missing so the AEUG and Neo Zeon would leave him alone. He probably changed his name and look. Don't forget that the Earthsphere is a pretty big place. If a single person doesn't want to be found then they can disappear pretty easily. There's the Moon which has multiple cities, 7 different Colony Sides, and numerous asteroid colonies scattered throughout. Each Side has dozens of colonies, and each colony is massive and holds 10 to 20 million people.Char could definitely blend into the crowd and disappear if he wanted to.
>>23832413>novels and side materialWhich ones, I have to read more side material>pretended to be dead/missing so the AEUG and Neo Zeon would leave him alone>could have done something that literally wasn't nothing, as per >>23832183Why would he disappear off if (imo, I'll grant that I went into the show having been told that Zeta is when Char's the most healthy and hopeful) he was doing well, apart from Kamille? Just hated human responsibilities THAT much? Just thought that Bright and Amuro would be able to handle what was genuinely a rather simple situation (i.e. keep the Federation at gunpoint, fill their power vacuum with AEUG supporters and become a good version of the Titans strong-arming the government, instead of literally disarming and letting the Federation do what he wants)>"human governments suck ass, someone (who isn't me) should do something about this">does nothing, things go to shit>decide to do the worst thing possible, the same kind of thing that everyone he hated also did>also mom
>>23832426The out of universe reason:Tomino originally did plan for Char to return during ZZ gundam. Char was going to return and create his own Neo Zeon faction and wage a civil war against Haman. It was also implied Amuro was going to return as well and settle things with Char.. However Tomino felt that a TV show budget was enough to give the Char and Amuro rivalry a proper conclusion. So Tomino negotiated with Bandai and got the CCA movie approved with a larger budget. This would allow Tomino to have a larger spectacle and more battles. This movie approval happened during production of ZZ gundam.This caused chaos for ZZ production and many things had to be rewritten. Staff had to scramble to change things and rewrite scripts and whole stories. Originally, Glemy Toto was just a random background character referred to as Zeon "Soldier A". He was just a nobody. But the staff rewrote him to be the main villain of ZZ gundam at the last minute. He essentially took over Char's place. If the CCA movie didn't get approved, then Glemy would have just been Char. And the storyline would have been tweaked with Amuro being involved too. Perhaps Judau fighting Haman and Amuro fighting Char during the final battle. >Which ones, I have to read more side materialI believe Tomino's CCA novels briefly mention that Char was hiding himself. There's also a couple mangas that have "flashback scenes" involving Char meeting with Anaheim Electronics representatives, and some Neo Zeon supporters who want to follow him. They discuss Char's plans for the future. There's even one scene where Char, before the events of CCA, has spies show him the plans for Nu Gundam that Amuro ordered. Char is visibly disappointed. He thinks the Nu Gundam is not up to par and is weak. He scoffs that Amuro would make such a sub-par suit.
>>23832486I haven't seen a source text for Glemy being the stand-in for Char but it seems to make sense. I'd imagine we might have even gotten an ending with a peaceful Neo Zeon faction under Char after the Argama's help and like, congrats we got a good ending for UC, this can pretty much be the end of the series.>There's also a couple mangas that have "flashback scenes" involving Char meeting with Anaheim Electronics representatives, and some Neo Zeon supporters who want to follow him. They discuss Char's plans for the future. I have to read BC but turns out the other scantlations for volumes 1-3 is a bit better than Zeonic's.>has spies show him the plans for Nu Gundam that Amuro ordered. Char is visibly disappointed.Was he baffled by Amuro adding so many cameras?>He scoffs that Amuro would make such a sub-par suit.Just sneak in as Myriad Labia of Anaheim Electronics and help him make a better suit with the psycommu
>>23832612I think it's BC where the Nu is kind of ass and Amuro's off his game, versus CCA where Amuro's still on top and the Nu is his finely tuned Murder Suit. So it'd make sense if that version of him was underwhelmed.If it's meant to be before CCA though then it's more showing his arrogance and fundamental inability to understand Amuro, lack of psychoframe aside.
>>23832624>fundamental inability to understand Amuro, lack of psychoframe aside.Is psychoframe that much better than alternatives like bio-sensor or nitro system?
>>23832612>I haven't seen a source text for Glemy being the stand-in for Char but it seems to make sense. It's in some of the behind scenes Zeta gundam interviews. They talk about rushing to replace Char with Glemy. So they chose another blonde background character they had available called Soldier A. >Was he baffled by Amuro adding so many cameras? In hindsight it was a great idea since Sazabi's main camera got smashed by Amuro punching it, and Char complained he couldn't see.
>>23832655>In hindsight it was a great idea since Sazabi's main camera got smashed by Amuro punching it, and Char complained he couldn't see.I don't understand why Nu Gundam was so durable. Sazabi had more armor and Char was beating the heck out of Nu Gundam. Seems like Amuro only won because Sazabi's equipment started randomly malfunctioning.
>>23832624>BC where the Nu is kind of ass and Amuro's off his gameWhereas the Hi-Nu's his murdersuit in BC??>then it's more showing his arrogance and fundamental inability to understand Amuro, lack of psychoframe aside.Fair enough, I'd imagine the two would have different design philosophies, e.g. Gundam targeting Zeong's chest and Zeong targeting Gundam's head>>23832655>behind scenes Zeta gundam interviewsAlright that's fair enough then.>camerasThere was a thread while back about the Mk-II and I asked about the cameras, eventually we rolled with the idea of Amuro adding camera after camera much to the protest and worry of Bright, Chan, and even CharBut I suppose hindsight's a fucking bitch sometimes!
>>23832682Built different. Char wanted a big, powerful, intimidating mobile suit. Amuro wanted the mobile suit he needed to kill Char. Amuro's never needed the biggest gun or the strongest servos, what he needs is the suit that doesn't hold back his reflexes. Sazabi's weird but beyond the paint job and maybe the cockpit placement there's not much that's Char about it. The Nu on the other hand is exactly what you'd expect of the White Devil personally designing a suit, basically a modernised MKII with all the little features just the way he likes them.>>23832695Anon the suit's just called the Nu in the novel. 'Hi-Nu' is the name slapped on when the design needs to be differentiated from the canon Nu, which has since stuck since it got backdoored into canon UC as an unbuilt variant.
