>>23787675This is such a silly origin story. If Neo Zeon was going to modify the suit THAT much, then they might as well have just built their own suit. Why bother stealing from Anaheim?
>>23787697zeon has a proud history and tradition of stealing shit to modify
>>23787675Stein. I don't like the Sleeves livery because of the context, for a bunch of poor people they sure can afford silly paintjobs and it makes the plamos suffer with stickers.
>>23787697Same reason car manufacturers do collabs. They don't have what it takes to achieve their optimal goal.
>>23787675>Damn let's make a Sazabi 2.0 uhhhh why do you think the Gundam kicked its ass>What are you, a fucking retard? It lost because it didn't have CUFFLINKS>Should we add funnels?>And diminish the cufflink budget?
>>23787675I really like Stein.
>>23787697Because it's still less effort than building a suit from scratch? It ain't complicated.
>>23787784Every single piece on Stein has been replaced with a new part.
>>23787812Not on the Sinanju Stein in NT
>>23787812It's mostly a bodykit
>>23787675Sinanju when piloted like FF does.
Stein with a V fin
>>23787812All the armour is replaced, not the internals.
>>23787764>Damn let's make a Sazabi 2.0LOL, more like they stole Nu Gundam 2.0
>>23787675Both.
>>23788710Stein in red looks so good.
>>23787697>stealinggood goy fell for the anaheim propaganda
>>23788763it's fed propaganda now
>>23787675Sazabi
>>23788787These Manga writers are so infuriating. Why do they always have squirrel their way into anime using ridiculous side stories? It's like rats nibbling their way into the kitchen. >Anime: Full Frontal is so skilled he could destroy an entire mobile suit team and a single enemy ship himself in a single mobile suit. >Manga: hurr durr but wat if the ship had a virus! And da mobile suitss cant launch and iz one big conspiracy where 50 people know about it! Hee hee.No wonder several Gundam directors have publicly said they do not approve of Gundam Manga
>>23788817blame sunrise for allowing it
>>23788817There is a very good reason the only hard canon is animation, with everything else being a take it or leave as you wish kind of deal.
>>23788787This virus plot seems wildly unnecessary to me. We saw in Unicorn that Full Frontal was so skilled as a mobile suit pilot that he could easily overpower the Nagel Argama and General Revil.I don't think Full Frontal would break a sweat taking on an inferior and much smaller Clop class ship.
They are both kinda plain honestly.
I'd like the sinanju more if it had a vfin im not gonna lie to ya
>>23788817that's what Unicorn did to Tomino's UC lol
>>23788837Yeah, except when they start hard contradicting each other like the Zeta movies.>>23788892I mean, everything after CCA does this to Tomino's UC, and even Tomino's own shit does this to his past works (look at the thread about colony drops, in the original script there were loads of colony drops, not just one, and the primarily illustrated one was on NYC not Sydney). Pretty sure he doesn't give a good goddamn fuck about continuity, he just wants to tell his stories.
>>23788924>Yeah, except when they start hard contradicting each other like the Zeta movies. You seem to be under the illusion that the Zeta movies are supposed to be "recap" movies. They are not. They are alternate universe Zeta movies made by the Gundam creator himself Tomino. They are brand new movies with an alternate ending. He wanted to give the characters a better and happier ending. Neo Zeon decides to be peaceful. ZZ Gundam never happens. Mineva lives and happy life. Char disappears quietly to pursue his own path. Tomino even wanted to use brand new animation for everything but Bandai refused to approve the budget. So Tomino was forced to use old animation for a lot of the scenes.
>>23787697Because they suck dick at making MS, so they steal to win.
>>23787675I just don’t understand why the original has the “Stein” name when it should just be “Sinanju”. Hell, they could’ve named it literally anything else. Like how the Doven Wolf and Silver Bullet are essentially the same suit but with different heads.
>>23788726Red is a good color for mobile suits.Wait a second…
>>23788996Well they had to resort to stealing once Minovsky defected/got killed. Up until then they had the market cornered.
>>23789080>Like how the Doven Wolf and Silver Bullet are essentially the same suit but with different headsYou mean a Mark-V with different heads
>>23787675>(((STEIN)))ishygddt
>new hotness prototype MS lost>AE stocks go down>BUY THE DIP>new hotness prototype demonstrated>AE stocks goes to the moon (figuratively)>SELL SELL SELLA tale old as time
>>23787675Stein, but Sinanju has the better backpack.
>>23787833>>23788475Just a body kit? So you not see the GIANT backpack? the new weapons. The brand new head?
Thoughts on Stein with V fins?
>>23787675Stein.
>>23795834Looks like an Amuro custom if he survived CCA
>>23795834 The mohawk feels wrong.
>>23795834Better without the mohawk
Stein is just a lazy design to reuse the some of the same molds for a new gunpla.
>>23787675>(((((STEIN)))))
>>23795834I don't care for it. The Stein's head was fine. But I like the color separation on the shoulders and legs on the Gundam version there.
>>23787675(((Stein)))
>>23803505Welcome to Gundam MSV since literally the beginning.
>>23787675Stein
>>23787675Sinanju looks like a refined Sazabi. Like Full Frontal casting away the unnecessary stuff like the Sazabi funnels and the chest hyper mega particle shotgun cannon. Then replacing them both with more thrusters. An interesting backstory that hints at Full Frontal having a different combat philosophy compared to the original Char. Stein is just come suit Bandai came up with to sell more model kits and ruins the Sinanju. Like how they made the Rx-78, but Bandai decided to be 30 other Rx-78 prototypes that we never heard of. And Amuro just happened to get the weakest Rx-78 out of all ones ever made. Totally stupid writing.
>>23795834I'm surprised my how much I like it.
>>23788710That is pretty cool.
>>23790115Many such cases.
>>23790115>>23809299>how it feels to buy AE stock
>supposedly to be the original>has to have the suffix Stein to differentiate it from the one seen in Unicorn who's to blame for this?
>>23789080I don't get that shit either, nonsensical retcon.
>>23809337Kinda weird right? I thought Sinanju WAS the brand new name that the Sleeves came up with. Why would Anaheim call it "Sinanju Stein"? Then Neo Zeon removes Stein last name. but keeps "Sinanju"? Common sense is that aftwr stealing it, Neo Zeon would give it a brand new name after changing the outside appearance of the suit. Not re-use the same "code name" that Anaheim Electronics used.It makes no sense. If anything Sinanju Stein should be called something like "Gundam Mark 17" or something like that. Then the Sleeves steal it and call it the Sinanju.
>>23809309It rises and then falls?Also why does Anaheim Electronics care so much about mobile suits. Sure it's lucrative. But I would think building massive space battle ships like the Clop class, and building civilian space ships is far more profitable.
>>23811700>But I would think building massive space battle ships like the Clop class, and building civilian space ships is far more profitable.They also already do that.
>>23811700yea it falls from time to timethis guy put all his savings into anaheim
>>23795834v-fins are for gundams
>>23809337>>23809428The "Stein" part means "stone", it was named that because it was seen as a "jewel in the rough" as it was a testbed unit for the UC Project. The Zeeks presumably removed the "Stein" from the name because they had refined it into a proper ace unit meant to be deployed in actual combat.>If anything Sinanju Stein should be called something like "Gundam Mark 17" or something like that.There was no need to give it the name and appearance of a Gundam because it was just a testbed unit to refine the Psychoframe tech that the Unicorns would end up using.
>>23811796So you are telling us they gave it a Korean first name and German last name? It's only getting worse. That makes no sense."Sinanju Stein" should have never been made or just be called a different name.
>>23811796>There was no need to give it the name and appearance of a Gundam because it was just a testbed unit to refine the Psychoframe tech that the Unicorns would end up using.Then why give it the name Stein? If it's just a testbed, then it doesn't deserve the name Jewel.
>>23811820>>23811830There's plenty of Mobile Suits and Armors with 2 word names like the Rick Dias, the Palace Athene and the Quin Mantha.
>>23811830It's almost as if they knew it was going to get passed on to the Zeeks and they intentionally gave it that name
>>23812100The issue isn't the two names. The issue is that it's supposed to be some forgettable testbed. Just a unit slapped together to test some systems before the Unicorn was built. Yet it was given such a grand name. It makes no plot sense.
>>23812104>It's almost as if they knew it was going to get passed on to the Zeeks and they intentionally gave it that nameYou aren't getting it. If Anaheim Electronics and the Sleeves want to keep their relationship secret, why would Anaheim Electronics give the suit the same name that the Sleeves use?
>>23812125>Yet it was given such a grand nameBecause it was the testbed unit for the motherfucking Unicorns.>It makes no plot sense.You're just autistic, Anaheim can name their machines whatever they want.
>>23812152>You're just autistic, Anaheim can name their machines whatever they wantAre you being genuinely dense on purpose?
>>23812157That's the question I should be asking you.
>>23812152>Anaheim can name their machines whatever they want.Why would Anaheim Electronics name the Sinanju Stein the same name as the famous Sinanju if they wanted to hide their connection to Neo Zeon?
>>23812167Are you legitimately retarded? There was no "famous Sinanju" before the Sinanju Stein because the red Sinanju was made after a Sinanju Stein got stolen and modified by Neo Zeon, the Federation was fully aware that the Sinanju Steins of their pet project got stolen by Neo Zeon so there was no need for the Zeeks to hide those Mobile Suits' origins with a complete overhaul since the thing the parties involved wanted to keep a secret wasn't the fact that the Sinanju Steins got stolen, but rather the fact that the theft was staged and planned out in advance by all the parties involved. Yes, even some Federation higher-ups were in on the whole plan, because they wanted an excuse to finally carry out the UC Project and wipe all traces of Zeon out.
>>23789080It's one of the clumsiest cases of the real world and in universe timelines being flipped I think I've seen from something that's an actual piece of on-screen equipment and not just a manga inserting itself somewhere.
>>23812188>Federation was fully aware that the Sinanju Steins of their pet project got stolen by Neo Zeon No they weren't. The entire ship was destroyed according to the anime. No survivors were left. Full Frontal killed everyone.
>>23812188Wrong. The whole point of changing the outer appearance of the Sinanju to a Zeon style was to HIDE the fact that Neo Zeon stole the Sinanju Stein. The Sleeves wanted to present to the public and to the Federation that they were the ones that made the Sinanju (even though that's a lie). Its the same idea behind the Geara Zulus. Anaheim Electronics made the Geara Zulus, but gave them to Neo Zeon. Then Neo Zeon slightly altered their appearance even more.
>>23812188>There was no "famous Sinanju" before the Sinanju Stein because the red Sinanju was made after a Sinanju Stein got stolen and modified by Neo Zeon, the Federation was fully aware that the Sinanju Steins of their pet project got stolen by Neo Zeon so there was no need for the Zeeks to hide those Mobile Suits' originsWait what the heck are you talking about? AE has already demonstrated the ability to quietly give mobile suits to Zeon. They did it with Gebera Tertra, Geara Doga, Sazabi, and Geara Zulu.Why would AE and the Federation need to stage an elaborate drama to hide the Stein getting stolen? AE can just quietly give Zeon the Stein.I legit thought Full Frontal stole the Sinanju and brutally killed everyone during the robbery.AE freaked out and wanted to hide the truth that their Stein suit was legit stolen. It wasn't planned. That's what the anime seemed tell the viewer.
>>23812227Read Fukui's The War After the War novel, it details the whole plan regarding the Stein's theft.>Why would AE and the Federation need to stage an elaborate drama to hide the Stein getting stolen? AE can just quietly give Zeon the Stein.Because the point wasn't just to give Neo Zeon the Stein, some of the Federation higher-ups needed excuses to carry the UC Project out and go full scorched earth on what was left of Zeon, and an attack like that on Neo Zeon's part was a perfect excuse. It's like when the US government allowed Pearl Harbor to happen in order to have an excuse to invade both Germany and Japan as well as develop and test nukes.By the way, not all of the Federation agreed or was even aware of this plan, which is why some other Feddies who caught wind of it attempted to prevent the hijacking but ended up getting wiped out. Alberto Vist was worried because Full Frontal's slaughter of all the incident's witnesses would be hard to clean up, but everyone involved in the plan ultimately got what they wanted.
>>23812127It's almost as if you can't tell the writing is incredibly hamfisted and they don't care how it would make any sense in the fictional world it came from.>>23812219>>23812213Too bad everyone already knows the Sinanju Stein was stolen anyway. In the anime, they said they heard rumors that Full Frontal stole it and wiped out everyone.
>>23812309>Federation higher-ups needed excuses to carry the UC Project out and go full scorched earth on what was left of Zeon, and an attack like that on Neo Zeon's part was a perfect excuse.Why would the Federation need an excuse to get rid Neo Zeon remnants? Zeon has been an enemy for 10 years and dropped 5 colonies and 2 asteroids on Earth. I'm sure no one in the Federation would care if the Federation got rid of Zeon for good. They don't need some secret plan. This whole thing makes no sense.
>>23812753>5 coloniesOperation British, 0083, Dublin, and?
>>23812753you are not very smart, do you ever hear politicians go "they did something 10 years ago so we need to stop them"ANYTHING you can do for sensational headlines will help push your cause, including lying about things happening NOW, not ten years ago
>>23812770You are acting like Zeon is a forgotten memory and the war happened decades ago. Neo Zeon tried to drop a world ending asteroid on earth just 2-ish years earlier. Did you forget Axis?
>>23812765Not that anon, but if we include Manga there's been 3 more attempted colony drops on Earth but we're stopped at the last moment.
>>23812825anon just look at the news today, no one cares about 2 year old atrocities because people get tired of listening to the same thing over and overpoliticians would rather lie about evils being committed today than reference real events that happened 2 years ago
>>23812825Even in Unicorn nobody is telling the Sleeves "fuck these guys for trying to drop axis 3 years ago"
>>23812840To be fair, no one in Unicorn even thinks Neo Zeon still exists. They've become so small that they've become a myth to the general populace. Don't they just live on a single tiny asteroid now? They've fallen pretty far from their peak.
>>23787675Sinanju for sure.
>>23812837What are you talking about? People are still angry about Covid and what the Biden government did by locking down the entire country. They've sworn to never allow that again. My nephew is still angry he didn't get a proper school graduation. He had to stay home and not see his classmates during graduation.
>>23812840Nah. Pretty sure whenever the Sleeves show up, everyone is like "fuck those guys". Federation shops literally fire on sight. Shoot to kill. No questions asked.
>>23812855yeah and haven't you noticed that the 100% lefty news has completely blocked all reporting on that?>>23812858yeah and a whole lot of good that does them, why do you think it's being escalated to special projects like the UC program and the Unicorns?
>>23811700Battleships fell out of favor in UC by the end of the Gryps War. Part of the geopolitical undercurrent of the military in the Federation was a divide between Naval forces who wanted a huge fleet with minimal MS and opposing factions who wanted to promote expanded mobile suit combat with centralized fleets who field huge numbers of MS. You see this play out in 0083, even if it's mostly background fluff lifted from Japan's WW2 navy vs army factionalism.
>>23812882And the Inter-war Battleship vs Aircraft Carrier doctrine conflicts.
>>23812870Anon the news doesn't typically report on things that aren't currently happening.Regardless of sentiment you're not generally going to get a bulliten of "breaking news, some dudes still mad about something six years ago".Might get a human interest piece about long-term impact though.
>>23812753>Why would the Federation need an excuse to get rid Neo Zeon remnants? Zeon has been an enemy for 10 years and dropped 5 colonies and 2 asteroids on Earth. They wanted to dissolve the Republic of Zeon too, which had gone back to being part of the Federation after all the previous incidents but still had a degree of autonomy left. Neo Zeon's attacks during Unicorn gave them a chance to wipe out all of NZ's remaining remnants (pretty hard to kill them if they're just hiding instead of getting into constant confrontations) as well as dissolve the Republic (because it turns out they were directly backing NZ's terrorist attacks this time around) without facing backlash, allowing the Federation to, in their eyes, get rid of any trace of Zeon's historically troublesome ideology once and for all.
>>23813011Neo Zeon's attacks during Unicorn gave them a chance to wipe out all of NZ's remaining remnants. Huh? But wouldn't seeing a big White Gundam helping Zeon remnants work against the Federation? >(pretty hard to kill them if they're just hiding instead of getting into constant confrontations)But the Federation said they knew where Neo Zeon was. It was that asteroid base called Pawlow
>>23813011>They wanted to dissolve the Republic of Zeon too, which had gone back to being part of the Federation after all the previous incidents but still had a degree of autonomy left.Does the original Granada treaty still matter after the events of Zeta and ZZ?The Federation broke apart during Zeta. The Titans threatened to blow up Side 3 colonies if they didn't give the Titans resources. And the AEUG offered to give Side 3 to Neo Zeon.During ZZ, Side 3 was taken over by Neo Zeon and the Federation government refused to do anything. In fact, the Federation government approved it (for most of the series) until Bright convinced the Federation to change their minds.I would think the whole "Republic of Zeon must dissolve after the events of the Gryps war" treaty no longer applies.
>>23787833Ricer mobile suit.
>>23812855>and what the Biden government didin 2020?People like you can't even remember who was the president who started the lockdowns. That just proves how short people's memories are.
>>23815727Trump was against the Lockdowns and wanted to keep the economy open. Many Democratic Governors forcibly shut down their states. Once Biden was elected, he supported the lockdowns continuing until the Ukraine war started in 2022. Then suddenly Covid just magically disappeared. Suddenly it was perfectly fine to shop normally again. Businesses stopped asking for your vaccine card and didn't care if you got the vaccine or not. The US news media was dominated with stories about how the USA needed to support Ukraine unconditionally. Covid was a joke and you know it.
>>23815749Amazing how Trump was completely powerless to stop the lockdowns but Biden apparently had absolute power to implement that before he was even president.
>>23815749At what point did 'lockdown' start meaning 'literally any public health measure' anyway?
>>23815784Not that anon but Trump did have powers to kinda resist it. First level:He could have changed Federal guidelines to say "Lockdowns are unnecessary. Just treat covid like a seasonal flu.". Most states follow CDC Federal guidelines.Second level:Cut Federal funding to states that force lockdowns.Final resort:Declare lockdowns illegal and take any state that forces lockdowns to court.-----------Biden did the total opposite. He actively supported the lockdowns. - Ordered the CDC to change the definition of pandemic and any definition that opposed his agenda. You can view copies of old web pages on wayback machine. They were rewriting definitions. - Actively threatened social media companies to delete videos and posts that were critical of lockdowns and of Joe Biden. Facebook said Biden officials were yelling at their staff everyday to delete specific posts or they would pass laws to restrict the social media companies.- Monitoring social media everyday for citizens who opposed the lockdowns or the vaccine. - Encouraged mask wearing for years far beyond what was medically necessary.- encouraged restaurants to close their indoor buildings and construct outdoor dining tents to prevent covid spread. (we found out later this was medically pointless) - Fired any employees and military personnel that refused to take the experimental vaccine. They did this right before a potential war with Ukraine. - Sent extra Federal funds to states that cooperated with Biden administration and supported lockdowns. - Encouraged an atmosphere of fear and radical opposition to anyone who hated masks or vaccines. I remember entire families being divided. Family members refused to meet other family members who didn't tks the vaccine or didn't wear a mask.
>>23816197Strange that trump didn't fight it. Did they have dirt on him and blackmail?
>>23816380Well...My best guess is that Trump thought this would all blow over once a basic vaccine was released in early 2021. Then life goes back to normal. Not a big deal. He didn't want to waste too much political power fighting democrat governors to force them to open up their states. Those governors would have loved it. Trump also didn't think he would lose re-election as every poll indicated he was in the lead before election. Then suddenly in the middle of the night, tens of thousands of new votes were added in swing states. The. somehow Biden was the more popular President and had the highest voter turn out in history. All those votes were mail in ballots of course. So Trump lost by total surprise. He Took 4 years off to analyze what he did wrong (like not hiring enough staff members that supported his vision). Then Trump came back, won the popular vote, won the electoral college, and destroyed Kamala. And here we are today.
>>23816397seems short-sighted at best and incompetence at worst if you ask me..
>Paid Russian shill in a Sazabi Shitflinging threadFor what purpose
