He tried to warn us about drone warfare but we didn’t listen. was it our hubris? The Japanese already tried to prevent this mess all the way back in the 90s. I think definitely this proves gundam wing really is the best gundam series after all.
>>23795986>Remote control mecha with 0 casualty bad>You all should go fight the war yourself and die horribly to understand how bad war is!Sadistic asshole.
>>23795989>military complex representative
>No way! How could the military that trains its soldiers to throw away their empathy and independent thought so that they can mindlessly obey the chain of command for maximum efficiency possibly produce something as degenerate as drones?? How could this possibly happen to me after all the warmongering Ive done??Treize is a retard that confused court duels and jousting for actual war. Mindless drones are the logical progression of rank and file soldiers. Gundam Wing is not very good when it treats this retard like a messiah that was right about everything.
>>23796223But he didn't train the men under his command to throw away their empathy and independent thought. That's the whole point. The men who were loyal to him loved him and were willing to die for him. That's the difference. The Gundam pilots had a cause they believed in, the Treize Faction of soldiers idolised their leader. They both had something to fight for. Meanwhile Romefeller and Duke Dermail didn't believe in jack shit, except destruction. That's why they hid behind mindless drones and ran like bitches when it was time to potentially do some actual fighting, and why Duke Dermail himself died cowering like a bitch
>>23796488This is a simple ought-is mistake. Treize is retarded for warmongering while assuming everyone has the same delusion as him which is clearly wrong when lady une who works right under him doesnt get his shitty ideals at all and goes around assasinating people left and right including releenas father for the first half of the series. Then treize gets kicked out and the only loyalists that actually agree with him turn out to be such a small minority that they get their shit kicked in by the rest of oz because theyre so few in number, proving most of the oz soldiers are mindless drones that dont care about his retarded ideals. If he hadnt staged all those fucking coups to perpetuate the war mobile dolls wouldnt have never made it to the battlefield in the first place, its a problem he created in the first place.
>>23796495>Treize is retarded for warmongering while assuming everyone has the same delusion as himHe doesn't make that assumption. That's why, instead of warmongering for Romefeller, he resigns and goes into exile while Oz splits into factions>when lady une who works right under him doesnt get his shitty ideals at all and goes around assasinating people left and right including releenas father for the first half of the seriesLady Une does what she does out of love and devotion to Treize, which is why, later, when she goes into space and tries to be an ambassador or whatever, she becomes split between ruthless leader in uniform Lady Une and kind compassionate diplomat out of uniform Lady Une. That's the whole point of her character development. She comes to share Treize's ideals. That's why she frees Duo and Wufei (and the 5 scientists) before they're all about to suffocate to death>Then treize gets kicked out and the only loyalists that actually agree with him turn out to be such a small minority that they get their shit kicked in by the rest of oz because theyre so few in numberThey're not fewer in number. The actual SOLDIERS of Oz mainly sided with Treize. They get their shit kicked in because the Mobile Dolls are the better and more efficient killing machines and are much more easily producible and replaceable than flesh and blood human beings>If he hadnt staged all those fucking coups to perpetuate the war mobile dolls wouldnt have never made it to the battlefield in the first place, its a problem he created in the first place.They may still have made it to the battlefield because all he did was overthrow the Alliance which was confining the colonies (which is why Gundams) and waging smaller, sectarian wars on Earth. He didn't CREATE the situation, he just REACTED to it
>>23796522>He doesn't make that assumption.No he does. Thats why he only resigns after he sees oz using mobile dolls because beforehand he assumed everyone was on the same page as him like a retard.>That's the whole point of her character development. She comes to share Treize's ideals.The problem is that she needs this arc at all when you tried to make the point that Treize trains his subordinates to be empathetic and honorable, which he clearly didnt do for une. If he doesnt explain shit to her and she needs to have an entire identity crisis on her own to understand what retarded shit hes getting at then how can you assume that the footsoldiers under him arent as ignorant as une was?>The actual SOLDIERS of Oz mainly sided with Treize.No they didnt. Theyre so few in number that theyre reduced to fighting guerilla wars, running around with no strongholds to rely on, and hiring mercenaries while seeking refuge under releena. If the actual majority of oz soldiers were loyalists they should have at least captured some bases from the inside, but in reality theyre only a bunch of lowly pilots that ran off with some MS presumably because no one else stationed at the oz bases supported treize or even cared about him. Notice how once Treize gets back in control of oz he can suddenly field large amounts of soldiers with no mobile dolls again because most of them werent loyalists that just followed whoever was at the top.>he just REACTED to itNo he fucking staged a grand coup around the world to shut down peace negotiations AND centralize all power and influence within oz' hands by getting rid of the united earth sphere alliance. They only had the sufficient power and influence to make mobile dolls because he gave it to them. Mobile dolls werent a thing when he staged the coup and elongated the war, he didnt react to shit.
>>23796223>Treize is a retard that confused court duels and jousting for actual war.Except war has been fought by human soldiers since the very conception of it no matter how advanced military science has become. Treize thinks and behaves like literally every warmonger in real life, there is nothing really retarded about it. It is a realistic cruelty.
>>23796895Jousting is a personal conflict where individuals stake their honor against each other. War has the characteristic that it robs the soldiers of their individuality and agency due to the nature of organized conflict. Soldiers dont shoot at the other side for personal reasons, they only act in the interest of their respective factions. Jousting doesnt work without humans. War only needs humans at the top making decisions, the rank and file are reduced to less than human and might as well be replaced with drones. The only factors that change is that civilians will die from poverty and starvation instead of soldiers gunfire and bombings when nations fuel all their taxes into war machines. Actually, civilians die from gunfire and bombings too, it will merely be done by machines instead of soldiers, but i dont see how having a soldier at the other end is that much more humane when theyll still die.
>>23796931>War has the characteristic that it robs the soldiers of their individuality and agency due to the nature of organized conflict. Soldiers dont shoot at the other side for personal reasons, they only act in the interest of their respective factions. Jousting doesnt work without humans. War only needs humans at the top making decisions, the rank and file are reduced to less than human and might as well be replaced with drones.Soldiers are people. My grandfather is a person. If you manage to make it out alive once war is over, the government gives you this "medal of honor". There is a code of honor in war, your duty is to fight, not going around raping men and eating women's flesh like a savage beast. But who am i kidding, i'm talking to a Gundamtard. It is futile.
>>23795989The second Mobile Dolls enter mass production, every random retard in romefeller is throwing them at huge civilian population centres with impunity.
>>23796941Soldiers are people but theyre not meant to function like a person."Medals of honor" are mere consolation. It doesnt change the fact that the government that gives them out treats its soldiers as disposable pawns even though theyre supposed to be people.Codes of honor can only be established between comparable forces that are both in a position to negotiate. Once you get into the world of asymmetrical warfare that code of honor crumbles quickly and gives way to whatever warcrimes are deemed necessary, flipping through the pages of history makes this very obvious. Duty and patriotism are smokescreens for the obvious disregard of human life and dignity that the people who promote war have.
>Gundams Wing guyz
I never got his argument here because he implies soldiers have some sort of agency that drones don't have. When in reality they can both just as easily be made to partake in war crimes.
>>23797080Rape is less bad that mass murder.
>>23795989>t. (((Romefeller)))
Treize was full of shit>I remember all 300k people who died, their names and ranksI would pay money if Wufei immediately called him out and he gave up after like 10 people
>>23795989Without a person directly behind the trigger to see the consequences of their actions, war just becomes a spreadsheet. It's no different from the obfuscation of conflict and strife in the news by using sterilized wording, convenient phrases such as "occupation" instead of invasion, or "perished" instead of slaughtered. It makes forever wars more palatable to people who don't exist next to zones in which families are blown into chunks.War needs to continue being blunt and disgusting, because to remove that awfulness from violence is only going to make these international conflicts we see today more common and everlasting, with ever escalating forms of barbary towards one another. Take those drone kill videos from Ukraine-Russia. There are two very visceral reactions you see from people who witness them, which is either soul-retching disgust at watching a man beg for his life into a reflective lens, or wanton lust to see more people blown to smithereens while being completely helpless. Frankly, anybody in the latter group needs to be expunged from society.
>>23796014kinda racist mang
