>created as an autonomous paramilitary force whose job is to hunt down Zeon remnants, because Operation Stardust destroyed a huge chunk of the Federation's space fleet and dropped a space colony onto a major breadbasket region, inflicting tremendous economic damage>get out of hand and start using brutal inhumane tactics against their enemies, just pissing everybody the fuck off>gas an entire space colony full of civilians, thus spurring critics and resistance fighters to form AEUG and Karaba explicitly to stop them>somehow decide that they are the rightful rulers of mankind, giving them the right to overthrow the Federation and crush their opposition by any means necessary>keep committing more war crimes, including holding civilians hostage, sending mobile suits and mobile armors to fight in the middle of civilian populations, experimenting on humans to create Cyber Newtypes soldiers for war, and gassing even more space colonies>eventually ally themselves with fucking Axis Zeon, completely contradicting their entire original purpose>get their asses kicked and most of their leaders killed in a three-way war>the remnants either try to establish their own nation on a Federation-owned asteroid, or fold in with other Zeon remnants>all of the atrocities they committed over the years teach the Spacenoids that they can never trust the Federation, making Londo Bell's mission dead on arrival and all but ensuring that Char and eventually Full Frontal will succeed in stirring up additional wars years laterMan, Tomino really succeeded beyond his wildest dreams in creating a universally hated faction. Like, even with all of their unjustified actions, the Zeon remnants at least had some sympathetic elements to them. The Titans were just assholes through and through, unsympathetic to the core and cartoonishly evil just for the sake of being evil.
>>23802810>because Operation Stardust destroyed a huge chunk of the Federation's space fleet and dropped a space colony onto a major breadbasket region, inflicting tremendous economic damagethat was so retarded.
>>23802810>universally hatedeveryone likes the titans because their suits fucking rule
>>23802841You have to realise that the proto-Titans, Anaheim, and the Cima Fleet were all trying to carefully balance the outcome so that the fleet would be wrecked, and then the Solar System would stop the colony drop. Cima and the Titans would take all the credit, while the regular Federation forces would be both heavily weakened and viewed as incompetent bunglers.The colony actually making it through and dropping to Earth was not part of the plan - hence Cima gets killed, and the President of Anaheim commits suicide. The proto-Titans manage to navigate the political situation despite fucking up their original plan.
>>23802810>created as an autonomousYes>paramilitary forceNo. The Titans WERE military. They were another branch of the armed forces. >gas an entire space colony full of civilians>somehow decide that they are the rightful rulers of mankind, To be fair, Zeon had already dropped 3 colonies on Earth by this point in the Timeline. Half of humanity was dead and genocided because of spacenoids dropping colonies. Earth had lost ALL ability to farm food. Half the planet was turning into desert or flood zone. The Titans were on edge of spacenoids doing it again and destroying Earth. >giving them the right to overthrow the Federation and crush their opposition by any means necessary The Titans WERE the Federation. They were not separate.>sending mobile suits and mobile armors to fight in the middle of civilian populationsTechnically they were hiding AEUG terrorists and Zeon war criminals (like Char) who were wanted by the Federation government.>eventually ally themselves with fucking Axis Zeon, completely contradicting their entire original purpose AEUG did the same thing. AEUG was even worse because they said to Axis, "We will give you Side 3 if you help us beat the Titans. No questions asked." Literally AEUG just decided the fate of 1 billion people and gave them to Neo Zeon.
>>23802810Titans are the best and did nothing wrong.
Seeing how there's literally a Titans thread, I recall something like>there was some perfectly serviceable Titans MS that was basically done, which the Federation found after the Gryps War>it would have been perfectly fine to field this specs-wise, but due to optics and wanting to distance themselves from the Titans and have nothing to do with them, they just warehoused it/developed it to look like a Gundam or GMIffy on that last bit but I have absolutely no idea which mobile suit this wasAlso fuck the Titans (albeit I appreciate them as an antagonist). I do agree that there were reasons for people to be paranoid and distrustful of spacenoids though
>>23803000>I do agree that there were reasons for people to be paranoid and distrustful of spacenoids thoughKilling 7 billion people will do that.
>>23803000It's an improvement.
>>23803009I think they also dumped all remaining Hizacks (that didn't already defected to Axis) on Republic of Zeon.
Honestly the Federation's waning power and the overall falling quality of life in late U.C. is proof the Titans were right.
>>23803141The problem with the Titans is that Jamitov's entire 4D chess plan was just a backdoor way to cause the Federation to collapse so he could be king spacenoid. The moment Bask finally decided it was time to break the very flimsy leash Jamitov had on him would be the moment the Titans devolved into just shooting one another.
The problem with Zeta Gundam is that the writers pretend that gassing one single colony would somehow cause outrage among the Federation and make them create the AEUG. Yet in the previous anime (only a few years earlier), Spacenoids killed like 10 BILLION people and destroyed half of Earth.The reality is that most people wouldn't care about Spacenoids dying if that happened. Humanity was genocided. The harsh truth is that Tomino doesn't want to face is that, under those circumstances, most of civilians of the Federation would cheer and support the gassing of one single rebellious space colony. So many people died during the One Year War due to spacenoids and Zeon.Most Federation civilians would say that stopping one rebellious space colony means stopping another potential Zeon from being created. That spacenoids need to shut up and be quiet after killing 10 billion people. There would be no goodwill left to care about spacenoids problems.
>>23803475The civilian deaths during the OYW, which _both_ Zeon and the Federation participated in, are not the same as killing off an entire city in a police action.
>>23803543The One Year War was still way too fresh in the minds of civilians to care about the difference.Why do you think the Titans were so successful in recruiting?
>>23803475>Most Federation civiliansWho were, by a very large majority, spacenoids themselves. Who would support something or someone that could kill you off at any time for various unknown reasons?>>23803574>Why do you think the Titans were so successful in recruiting?They were so successful by the time of the events of Zeta that they had to resort to recruiting space-born Federation officers with promises of higher rank and money because there were so few Earth-born people willing to fight.Though this is all pointless to argue about considering that the Titans were just Jamitov's 4D chess attempt at moving all people into space and rulling Earth Side by himself.
>>23803585>Who were, by a very large majority, spacenoids themselves. Nope. Zeon destroyed most sides during the war. Of the original 7 sides. Only 2 sides were left. For many years after the One Year War, Civilian Spacenoids would definitely not be sympathetic to any new rebellious spacenoids or rebellions.
>>23803009Yeah that was it! Thank you!>>23803003>believing that the colony drops happened
>>23803778they definitely happened, but it was a clerical error
Just read Zeta novels, they explain the formation of Titans and AEUG.
>>23803475>in the previous anime (only a few years earlier), Spacenoids killed like 10 BILLION people and destroyed half of Earth.you are genuinely retarded.
>>23803978What are we supposed to do with this post? This feels like an Xbox live insult from the 2000s.
