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Rate Gekkomon's Perfect evolution.
>>23804712Temu MetalGreymon out of 10
>>23804712legitimately one of the worst perfects of all time. His evolution sequence is well done but the design itself is derivative and underdesigned trash. MetalGreenmon. There are some really low tier designs like mini/atmadakechimon and the fucking pencil and both of those designs are better for this.
>>23804712Bad, it should have build from Armalizamon, most perfects especially lead Digimon tends to be that.
>>23804736>MetalGreenmonkek, too accurate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAEjeP7d8kEEpisode 25 preview.
>>23804984The words of a castrated worm such as you are worth less than trash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnJlp-du9TkIn memory of it being 10 years since Wada Kouji's passing, post your favorite song by him.
>>23805061DMW3 Japanese's OP Miracle Maker is so catchy, so I'll post it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2gKUuxhSU
Maybe I'm speaking too soon, but I also don't think there's going to be a Digital World in this series. I don't see what it would add to the narrative that's being built so far, unless it were to end with the creation of a Digital World where Digimon could survive without e-Pulse.I also don't think dark evolution is a thing in BeatBreak, at least not in the sense that it leads to an alternate evolution path or form like with SkullGreymon, Mugendramon, ShineGreymon: Ruin Mode, or even fallen angels. It seems more like with Raito's case where it follows the standard evolution line, but it's just uncontrollable.That being said, I think Gekkomon's Ultimate is going to debut as being uncontrollable, Tomoro's "black e-Pulse" feels like it's building up to something, and an evolution is what one would typically expect. But I also like the theory that Gekkomon's Ultimate is going to be themed after Date Masamune, maybe "DaimyoLizamon" to follow MonarchLizamon, and also the idea that Murasamemon/Habakirimon becomes his sword to "complete" the evolution. But I think Kyou would have to be removed, permanently coldhearted or something to set off Tomoro to evolve Gekkomon, but then somehow come back and give his remaining e-Pulse to strengthen Gekkomon. And then Tomoro ("tomorrow") succeeds Kyou ("today") for the final arc.
>>23804712Honestly fucking trash. Stumpy budget metalgaymon. Everything but the digimon have been great.
>>23805409>derrivitive of metalgreymon becomes derrivitive of fenrirloogamonaaaaaaaaaa>>23805450gekko and armalizard are good. the new monodramon evolutions are good. I don't like the furries on the good team but the batman digimon is pretty cool. thought that rookie was just hackmon for a long time. the animal rookie on the good team looks alot like maquinamon from liberator. same body shape and hands, having lore between these two species could be cool.
>>23805498Yeah gekkomon is fun in a goofy way. Armalizamon is proportioned weird but I think im fine with it. The badger with guns champion looks like shit desu and the batmanmon is a bit bland. I hate the shieldmushroomon
>>23805409>But I also like the theory that Gekkomon's Ultimate is going to be themed after Date Masamune, maybe "DaimyoLizamon" to follow MonarchLizamon, and also the idea that Murasamemon/Habakirimon becomes his sword to "complete" the evolution.I get where you're coming from, but it's named after Susanoo's sword and wears rearranged Susanoomon armour (right after they'd introduced Amaterasumon, too). That seems like evidence for the Tsukuyomimon theory.What if his Ultimate has good/evil forms themed after different phases of the moon? Think GaoHunter and its transforming head gimmick.
>>23805509ludomon has been around for years though. all of ludomon's evolutions are good individual designs but link together poorly. zubamon was generic bland linear digimon ( another sword type DNA level 7 line.)before the TCG I wondered why we had so many level 7s but now that they are all functional game pieces its cool to see so many (often considered failed) experiments together in one place. Tialudomon looks more like a armor stage for gaomon than anything else in his line.
>>23805511i hope metalgreenmon gets a mode change or something. We have not been getting good uses of prefixes in evolution in a long time. The original intent back in the 90s was to use prefixes multiple times . Time stranger did this pretty well but those designs were likely made around 2019 and 2020 which was a really excellent season for designs.
>>23805511Maybe this is putting too much stock into a series only related by franchise, but Susanoomon was Frontier's "Super Ultimate" equivalent, its Omegamon/Paladin Mode/Crimson Mode. That's not to say that they can't reference other deities, but that I would expect a Digimon of the same naming tier and mythology to be treated somewhat similarly for BeatBreak. Amaterasumon is also similar.KaiserGreymon + MagnaGarurumon = Susanoomon (technically all Legendary Spirits and Chosen Children)Darumamon + Shishimamon = AmaterasumonSo I think Tsukuyomimon would follow suit and be Gekkomon plus another Glowing Dawn Digimon (or all of them), but having the natural Date Masamune Ultimate separately.
>>23805532>>23805511Final super perfect dna form will be beatomnimon and it will be theme’d around all of the glowing dawn members being in sync
>>23805512Zubamon is greal
>>23805562>line of six digimon>but really its 3 digimon repeated twiceidk man
>>23805562Holy shitHenry Wong is CHINESE
>gekomon>gekkomonWhat the hell were they thinking?
>>23805637Are they not spelt the same in japanese?
>>23805645ケコモン = Kekomon (Gekkomon's Baby I)ゲコモン = Gekomonケッコモン = Kekkomon (Gekkomon's Baby II)ゲッコーモン = Gekkōmon (from ゲッコー gecko and 月光 gekkou moonlight)
>>23805571Would it help to stick OmegaShoutmon in for variety?
>>23805688>ゲッコーモン = Gekkōmon (from ゲッコー gecko and 月光 gekkou moonlight)Also apparently geckos are known in some places as "moon lizards".
>>23805751he works well related to zuba and so does rhinomonshoutmon x 2 3 5 6 7 whatever in the anime are fucking awful. his vidya forms, omegashout and kingmode are all cool. zekegreymon looked much better before he was gold. imo xross wars is the end of the classic era. >>23805688>>23805637pepemon
>>23805637When gekkomon first said his name in Beatbreak I was confused and thought it was a redesign of gekomon.
>>23805571They aren't repeated, they are just gold.
Really late, but I want to get my thoughts in about ep 24 before the new one drops.- Starting off the episode with the absolute direspect to Kyo from Proganomon really set the tone for the ep.- Can't even be mad about the team being whittled down so quickly. Proganomon literally ran out of hidden drills by the time he got to Tomoro.- Klay's flashback was some real mood whiplash. Watching him go from being mindbroken from killing, to seeing his mercenary work as demeaning really shows how far off the deep end he went.- I still dislike the guy, and his escape was a little contrived, but Raito showing up to keep Tomoro from making the same mistake he did was nice.- Gekkomon quoting ShineGreymon and Masaru's conversation prior to activating Burst Mode was a little odd, but I can't deny I enjoyed the reference.- Maybe I'm reading too much into the cut from Tomoro's flashback to Edge of Limit kicking in, but it's really cool if he did help Asuka come up with the drumline for the song. With how much importance it's been given, I wonder if tidbits about it are going to come up in every arc.- MonarchLizamon curbstomping Proganomon was fantastic. The only downside is going to be a tangent in the next post.- Weird how Naito covering for Team 7 was an offhand mention. I guess they were pressed for time, but you'd think that would been elaborated on a little more.- Granit's smile after Hotaruko offers him a job warmed even my jaded heart.- The group hug at the end was pretty great. Tomoro literally dropping in was as funny as it was endearing.
>>23806226>>23804712As for MonarchLizamon... What the hell did they do to my boy!? I didn't really have any expectations after being pleasantly surprised by Arma, but they completely broke the rhythm they built up, pun intended. Being completely different from the Adult is one thing, but why did it have to be so horribly generic? The mecha samurai helmet with the bladed maetate is really inspired, but then the rest looks like deviantart fanart. The anon who said it seemed more like a Tuskmon evolution was right. The asemmetrical look with the majority of his limbs armored except for the right arm doesn't work. If they were going this route, why couldn't they make him more like Mecha Ghoulghilas, or go full Mecha Godzilla?What makes it worse is that his fighting style fixes one issue I had with Arma, that being being completely melee-based as opposed to the atomic breath being throw in (though in hindsight, you can kind of see it as a reworking of Gekko's tongue attacks). I could be surprised, but I'm completely baffled at where they're going with the Ultimate from here.>>23805511>What if his Ultimate has good/evil forms themed after different phases of the moon?He's already riffing MetalGreymon. Might as well become his own WarGreymon/BlackWargreymon as well. I can't see them riffing on Gammamon's gimmick so soon, but if they can handle it better, I'm all for it.
Happy 54th birthday, Junko Takeuchi.
>>23806226>Weird how Naito covering for Team 7 was an offhand mention. I guess they were pressed for time, but you'd think that would been elaborated on a little more.I don't think he did given how he treated them (Raito rubbishes the idea when Granit suggests it) not to mention the absolute loyalty he has to Klay. I did see a suggestion that he said Team Seven betrayed the pair of them and the kids got off that way. Unfortunately not the first time in the arc the show has had an episode end like that.>Granit's smile after Hotaruko offers him a job warmed even my jaded heart.They're truly made for each other as siblings and co-Cleaners, nothing further. They genuinely work so well together. I really hope we get to see Hotaruko explaining everything to her family. It would close her story perfectly IMO. Could even turn Okonomiyaki Kanuma into the Team Seven HQ once Raito resolves his problems. I'm disappointed they're out the story now, but am intrigued by the forthcoming GIFT arc.>>23806228>Being completely different from the Adult is one thing, but why did it have to be so horribly generic?The problem is Kenji Watanabe admitted in an interview his last work for Beatbreak was designing Armalizamon. He has had no input since the end of the first arc. It's crazy they made Monarch such a mess when Rhamphomon and Azhdarmon looked really good.Sorry for the double post, I fucked up the spoiler.
>>23806228>He's already riffing MetalGreymon. Might as well become his own WarGreymon/BlackWargreymon as well. I can't see them riffing on Gammamon's gimmick so soon, but if they can handle it better, I'm all for it.More like Burst Mode/Ruin Mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeUdVQ35BncThe episode previews of Beatbreak.
Imagime bancho got 4kids translated?BossLeomonGangsterLeomonBullyLeomonSopranosLepmonItalianLeomonI know its based on japanese teenage delinquents, but it wouldve been funny.
>>23806635It would be DonLeomon just to be as dumb as possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NuPuaockUgEnding 3.
https://nyaa.si/view/2093984https://twitter.com/digimon_tv/status/2040587723946549433Grade Beatbreak's 25th episode and third ED.
>>23807117Ep 25 was interesting since it feels like they had to add Somalians with AKs to their family friendly filler episode's plot at the last minute so that it doesn't clash too hard with the arc they're coming off of.
>>23806635italian leomon lmao
>>23804712I feel the same way about it I did about its preevo, it sure is something that exists.
https://twitter.com/digimon_tv/status/2040716075999055891Episode 26 preview.
Do you think there will be any odd evolution lines?Klay>Sunamon>Goromon>SunaLizamon>Landramon>Proganomon>PyramidimonHonoka>Sangomon>Tobiumon>MarinChimairamon>RegalecusmonRose>Budmon>Lalamon>Sunflowmon>Lilamon>LotusmonKaito>Sunmon>Coronamon>Firamon>Flaremon>ApollomonKanada>Hanumon>Gokuwmon>ShakamonI don't want Rosemon AGAIN, and I already don't like that it's Lilamon being used, but it's the Savers guy so maybe it's an intentional reference. I'm just extrapolation the other evolutionsHonoka getting the line she does is just to copy Pendulum Z's natural evolutionary line.I don't like Kaito getting an outright sun-themed line when he's supposed to be Fire and Mars, but there are parallels between Kyou and Kaito having similar Digimon, and the idea that both characters could be trying to represent the sun despite being designated other planets is interesting.Kanada doesn't really have a good Child level, and I went with Shakamon over SeitenGokuwmon because the former feels like it matches his endgame boss vibe more, while SeitenGokuwmon is closer to the power of friendship. But SeitenGokuwmon is pretty new so there's that too.Either way, all of them seem to have alternate Ultimates (Magneticdramon, Aegisdramon, Rafflesimon, GraceNovamon, SeitenGokuwmon). Aegisdramon is squinting a bit since it came out at the same time as Regalecusmon but never evolved from MarinChimairamon. But GraveNovamon being a sun+moon combination feels like something that could happen in some way. Maybe a character with a Lunamon will come along and take Honoka's place and make her extra pissed off.
>squidmon and gesomon get BTFO by nature10/10, we need more devimon getting killed by a falling building or something. Push Renamon in front of a train or something
>>23808146>get electrocuted>kill each otherDefinite 10/10 moment
>>23808146Yeah, that was a really well choreographed quick action sequence
This show needs to stop edging me with how often it seems like a digivolution is coming. Really thought we’d get superstarmon. I know we just got ultimate evolution for gekkomon, but I thought they were gonna get digivolution ball rolling and tease us with a fillermon.
Beatbreak Starmon's voice actor.
>>23808377Good ol' TORANKUSUI had no idea Mucha Lucha was dubbed into Japanese, that's the biggest shock here
What's the likelihood of them announcing another show after Beatbreak?
>>23808472Not happening unless the series moves to another television network again or Toei needs another time slot filler because the newest DBZ show is still in production.
>>23808531>Have to until 2029 for another Digimon anime....Fuck...
>>23808373Why would Starmon have evolved? The partnership wasn't strong enough for that.
>>23808472>>23808531To add onto this, certain series tend to historically occupy the same time slot.Fuji TV (Sunday 9 AM to 9:30 AM)>GeGeGe no Kitaro (4th series)>Himitsu no Akko-chan (3rd series)>Digimon Adventure>Digimon Adventure 02>Digimon Tamers>Digimon Frontier>Konjiki no Gash Bell!!>Digimon Savers>GeGeGe no Kitaro (5th series)>Dragon Ball Kai (Saiyan arc to Cell arc)>Toriko>Dragon Ball Kai (Boo arc - end)>Digimon Adventure tri. (INTENDED, but replaced by...)>Dragon Ball Super>GeGeGe no Kitaro (6th series)>Digimon Adventure:>Digimon Ghost Game>GeGeGe no Kitaro: My Beloved GeGeGe (selections of previous Kitaro series)>Digimon BeatbreakXros Wars was the weird one out on a different channel, and tri. got pushed out of its intended time slot by Dragon Ball Super being rushed out to capitalize on the success of Resurrection "F" in 2015, putting tri. into a series of six theatrical "movies" that are clearly just regular production episodes edited together.
>>23809128Xros was on TV Asahi. You can also include Appmon which was on TV Tokyo IIRC
the first digimon in history is philemon who appears both in the bible and in the works of plato. this digimon was in communication with carl jung and that communication inspired the persona subfranchise of megaten, which digimon is an offshoot of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj05VGGc0k0Episode 26 preview.
>>23808822Eat a dick, starmon and I would’ve achieved ultimate level evolution. And then we would’ve biomerged into BeelStarmon even though neither of us are women
>>23809424what is with the rampant degeneracy in this franchise all the sudden, it was not like this a year ago. Are we being brigaded by troons site wide? the entire /vg/ thread used to be doom saying now its 95% beatbreak and horny posting. All of /vg/ uses hyper erotic imagery but you used to be able to run fan theories on /vg/ and now its people foaming at the mouth about digifeet
Gekkomon's Ultimate/Mega (Level 6) has been revealed through the Card Game. Its name is Atratusmon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4Lf0AiiZo
Nonscreenshot image.
>>23810041>>23810054I will say now I feel this is going to be Gekkomon's Dark evolution given the card's colour is green/black.
>>23810065Fuck, I forgot "Black" is for machine Digimon, not evil ones. That's "Purple".
>>23810054>>23810065I feel that this has to be some kind of fusion with Nightchiropmon
>>23810086It's Green/Black, Chiropmon is Purple. So if anything it would be a cross with Pristimon. Monarchlizamon was Green/Black as well. "Mutant" being its type makes me think the mystery girl from the visual and ED is involved.
>>23810065 there have 3 different opportunities to do dark evolution and the only time beatbreak has done something even similar is red veggiemon entirely reincarnating from an egg. Gekkomon and Tomora have had the theme of laid back with a horrible anger streak and this just furthering their entire characterization Stop coping
>>23810100>offer an opinion>claim I'm copingSorry for having the audacity to have a theory, clearly you know everything about the show.
>>23810105Because you guys have been claiming gekkomon is going to dark evolve since episode 4 and there has been little evidence thats in possible in a world where the digimon is birthed from your soul not an outside entity influenced by your bond.
>>23810106>there has been little evidence thats in possible in a world where the digimon is birthed from your soul not an outside entity influenced by your bond.That's why I think the girl's involved with Gekkomon's evolution to Atratusmon.If it's Gekkomon's genuine Ultimate that would be insane and completely unexpected design-wise.
>>23810065>>23810067 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atratus
Are we sure this guy isn't a repurposed Xros Wars design? LIke a fusion between X7 and DarknessBagramon or something?
>>23810159Besides that being blatantly Shoutmon's mic, compare those wings to Bagramon's cape(also present on DarknessBagramon but more tattered)
>>23810086it do be looking alot like batman mon >>23810106they do dark evolution too often. i consider xross wars to be the bookend of the original era and the only season of the new era that has not done dark evolution is appmon, which has a dark team member. It was obvious that beatbreak would do it beacuse jujutsu kaiesen refrenced dark evolution in digimon
>>23810054Yeah, that definitely seems more like a Chiropmon evo.>Atratus: Latin for "clothed in black (for mourning)"Well, that's foreboding.>>23810065Yeah, I can't see that happening. The show seems pretty intent on making the point that every evolution is their natural path, and the only difference is the emotions fueling the evolution. That said, there could always change for some plot-related reason, even if it seems unlikely now.
>>23810212>The show seems pretty intent on making the point that every evolution is their natural path, and the only difference is the emotions fueling the evolution.Agreed, as we saw with Raito and Azhdarmon. However, there's just something about Atratusmon that doesn't feel "right" to me.>That said, there could always change for some plot-related reason, even if it seems unlikely now.It has to involve the mystery girl. The fact the arc's visual only features her, Tomoro and Gekkomon feels a bit too obvious IMO.
>>23810212>>23810227What if the Atratusmon evolution gets trigged by Asuka's sapotama being destroyed in front of Tomoro?
>>23810231*triggered
>>23810231That would be amazing. Watch it turn out she's able to rebuild Sapotamas if they're destroyed because ???
>>23810159.....arceus?
>>23810054I wonder if this will get a mode change; similar to Holy/MagnaAngemon?
>>23810500expect a completely alternate level 6, more like megiddo and duke except the evil form is small and the good form is big. they need to stop trying to mimic tamers without bringing back its author
>>23810041>>23810054Minus the moon motif on the cloak, the design is far more reminiscent of Chiropmon and NightChiropmon. The cloak with the ears looks like Chiropmon's, and the pattern on the face resembles the mark on Chiropmon's cloak. The proportions of the body looks like NightChiropmon, and there are no reptilian features implying any sort of connection to Gekkomon. The attack name Eclipse Impact also seems to represent the absence of moonlight or the obscuring of the moon, hinting at a LITERAL "dark" evolution. The Night in NightChiropmon already hints at a darkness theme for him.My speculation is that it's a Jogress to emphasize the theme of family, and that Reina and Makoto won't reach Ultimate naturally. Instead, they might reach Perfect, and Jogress with MonarchLizamon. This lends more credence to the theory that a Tsukuyomimon is MonarchLizamon + Murasamemon/Habakirimon. Whether this means that Gekkomon gets a natural Ultimate is up in the air, but we have precedent with 02. But it allows all Glowing Dawn members to have moon-themed Ultimates by being tied to Gekkomon. What would a nocturnal mechanized mammal be like to represent Pristimon and Wolvermon?
>>23810546Also to add onto this thoughtRose is sending two lackeys for this arc, and I wouldn't be surprised if their gimmick is Jogress. This could also be a way to work in Rafflesimon as Rose's Ultimate.
>>23810041If you're going to spoiler an entire post and an image, at least add a blurb of context for what it's spoiling.
>>23810688I think the number of replies (most of them spoilered) give a pretty strong hint as to what it is
>>23810163It's an axe in the shape of a Triceratops skull, >>23810163 is just a bad angle. The wings aren't really that different from Siriusmon's, either.
>>23810691There's not even any reason to hide the first part.>Gekkomon's Ultimate/Mega (Level 6) has been revealed through the Card Game.That's not a spoiler, it's a spoiler warning. Why spoiler it?Before you say it: Yes, I'm a retard with no self-control and now I'm mad because of it.
>>23810159UltimaWeaponmon?
>>23810054Yeah, it’s really hard to make out. I guess its like a grim reaper?
>>23810775It's a mystery nigga basically
>>23810696Actually, its chaos gallantmon :^)
>>23810696>>23810781It’s an Ultima nigga
>>23810054With how shitty Metalgreenmon is, I would’ve expected a WarGreenmon evo. Still might be. We dont know how it looks under that cloak
>>23810697The fact that it was shown through a Bandai stream long in advance is what's curious about it, along with certain design cues. There's probably more going on than just the initial observation. Though Digimon is no stranger to debuting anime evolutions months in advance through other mediums.Looking at appearances in Tamers episodes vs first appearances as an example>Guilmon (Tamers - 2001/4/1), card game (2001/3)>Growmon (Tamers - 2001/5/20), D-Ark Ver. 1.0 (2001/4/28), opening (2001/4/1), card game (2001/3)>MegaloGrowmon (Tamers - 2001/7/1), D-Ark Ver. 1.0 (2001/4/28), card game (2001/4), opening (2001/4/1)>Dukemon (Tamers - 2001/12/2), D-Ark Ver. 1.0 (2001/4/28), card game (2001/4/28), opening silhouette (2001/4/1)>Dukemon: Crimson Mode (Tamers - 2002/3/24), Tamers movie (2002/3/8), D-Ark Ultimate (2001/12/8)>Renamon (Tamers - 2001/4/1), card game (2001/3)>Kyubimon (Tamers - 2001/5/6), D-Ark Ver. 1.0 (2001/4/28), opening (2001/4/1), card game (2001/3)>Taomon (Tamers - 2001/8/5), D-Ark Ver. 1.0 (2001/4/28), card game (2001/4), opening (2001/4/1)>Sakuyamon (Tamers - 2001/12/30), Battle Evolution (2001/12/6), card game (2001/7), D-Ark Ver. 1.0 (2001/4/28), opening silhouette (2001/4/1)>Terriermon (Tamers - 2001/4/1), 02 movie (2000/7/8)>Galgomon (Tamers - 2001/4/22), opening (2001/4/1), 02 movie (2000/7/8)>Rapidmon (Tamers - 2001/7/29), D-Ark Ver. 1.0 (2001/4/28), card game (2001/4), opening (2001/4/1), based on Armor Rapidmon from 02 movie (July 8th, 2000)>SaintGalgomon (Tamers - 2001/12/16), Battle Evolution (2001/12/6), card game (2001/7), D-Ark Ver. 1.0 (2001/4/28), opening silhouette (2001/4/1)>Impmon (Tamers - 2001/5/6), opening (2001/4/1), card game (2001/3)>Beelzebumon (Tamers - 2001/01/07), D-Ark Ver. 2.0 (2001/7/20), opening silhouette (2001/4/1)>Beelzebumon: Blast Mode (Tamers - 2002/01/27), D-Ark Ultimate (2001/12/8), Battle Evolution (2001/12/6)I'm surprised they held off on NightChiropmon, ArmaLizamon, and MonarchLizamon.
>>23810792Also worth noting that the only "new main" Digimon who debuted in their actual episodes in Tamers were Culumon and Megidramon. I can't for the life of me remember if Cyberdramon's line was made for Tamers and Tamers-adjacent material and I don't care enough to check.
>>23810788There are a few of those.
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>>23810054If I had to guess, this isn't Gekkomon's true mega and is representative of either a new moon or the dark side of the moon. Gekkomon's true mega will be the bright side of the moon or the full moon, but whether it'll be named Tsukiyomimon is anyone's guess. The fact that it wears a cloak and so many of its details are hidden may be representative of the god Tsukuyomi himself, since it itself is a pretty mysterious figure as far as major Japanese deities go. Another possibility is that this is Gekkomon's true mega but he'll get a further mode. Gotta give the card game archetype a level 7 (also it better for vidya inclusions down the line.>>23810227>However, there's just something about Atratusmon that doesn't feel "right" to me.One thing that bothers me on an instinctual level is that Atratusmon doesn't seem to mirror Tomoro's true self. Tomoro still has his rough edges, but he has a clear idealistic and heroic bent that Atratusmon doesn't reflect at all. I wouldn't be too surprised if Gekkomon's evolution ended up not feeling like a natural extension of his current evolutions, but not in the way Atratusmon is.
>>23810792franchise peaked when hyper colloseium was releasing new monsters. Malomyotismon was in the card game first too. I think revealing atratusmon early was due to the negative response to metalgreenmon>>23810795cyberdramon was pre-existing but justimon was tamers original
>>23810881Thinking it over, Atratusmon's design actually makes a little sense. It could still possibly mirror Tomoro, in that his appearance doesn't match his true personality. We may even get some sort of inverse Demon situation, and he has a form sans cloak that looks more heroic.
>>23811071Anon, you may not notice it, but that's literally a priest costume it's wearing.
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>>23811148whispered is the only bad onegravi > dorbrick > splash > vamp > oleg > zasimel > whispered these fuckers really need their own deck in the card game - also i always think blastmon is among their ranks
>>23811148>XrosHow do you pronounce this, anyway? Ecks-Rose?
>>23811201>Digimon Xros Wars (デジモンクロスウォーズ Dejimon Kurosu Wōzu), pronounced "Digimon Cross Wars"
>>23811201It's just a fancy way of spelling "Cross".
>>23811208>>23811201its like Cross but its also like Eros - its very clever
>>23811090Huh. So it is. Didn't even realize the robes were separate from the cloak at first. Definitely adds new layers to it.
>>23811242>>23811090That is not a priest's costume. Its just a cloak and a robe. It’s wearing grieves. It can very easily be some generic warrior garb. If anything, it may kind of look like a devout, the Final fantasy class with ears coming out of its hood. But thats it. I know digimon likes to subvert expectations between evolutions, but going from godzilla to a priest is too much.
>>23811350digimon and final fantasy have had a weird cyclical back and forth relationship since zeromaru came from ff7
Glowing Dawn’s wins-losses and percentages.
>>23811380god bless liberator for breaking up the protagonist trinity slop wonder how long until !not leomon dies
>>23811352what in the headcannon are you talking about
>>23811428>endwalker took the ending from digimon tri even though it was bad in tri>nidhoggmon in adventure colon was themed after the endboss of heavensward these are the two biggest examples alsocindarellamon from liberator existing because of persona 5 royal
>>23811428i think several square enix staffers helped sony ship DW1 to be a major first party title , this is conjecture tho. the biggest clue is probobly the pocket station peripheral, not many games use it but ff8 and digimon are amongst them
>>23811428It's the thread schizo, pay no mind to his delusions
>>23811443you must be new here. schizo posters are the best posters.
>>23811460Nah
>>23811350anon, that is a priest with a hammer.
>>23811443How The Hit Sitcom Friends Inspired Digimon Frontier & other schizo ramblings
>>23811499Oh fuck off with your high fantasy interpretation of a priest
>>23811513that one wasn't me
>>23811515>digimon>realisticYou better fuck off then.
>>23811515>Horny nun is okay>edgy priest is notdouble standard much?
>>23811148Went for NeoVamdemon. Coolest look and one of the more satisfying villain defeats in the series.>>23811167I don't really hate Whispered, but it would have been so much better if he didn't have the split personality and was just a great leader who lost his way and became a Death General to protect his zone. It would've given a little more weight to his rapport with Shoutmon and his determination to be king.
>>23811515>how dare you bring fantasy priests into my fantasy anime!
>>23811526>>23811915>>23812218He changed goal posts! Leave me alone or I’ll bring more schizos to the thread
>>23812328its pretty ironic that you are quoting at least two different anons and then then calling them schizos. Everyone you dislike is not a single person and you are showing more signs of paranoid schizophrenia than any other anon in this thread. Projecting is a sign of weakness.
>total unique posters: 3What did schizoanonmon mean by this
I still haven't finished the last Tri movie but holy shit man, it doesn't get enough hate. Who the hell created Meiko and Meicoomon?
>>23814466What blows my mind is how much of a wet fart it ends on, how evil Gennai just goes "Whatever, maybe I'll come back with [recognizable villain Digimon] next time, who knows?" and laughs and walks away and nothing is resolved. Meiko leaves the group. Everything returns to the status quo as if she was never there. Taichi's "growth" in tri. was something that he had already dealt with maturely in Adventure and 02 so it's not like it needed to be drama. The reboot meant nothing. Killing Leomon meant nothing. The 02 kids getting off-screened and ignored meant nothing.It's not even like the themes of tri. are inherently bad themes to convey, but the problem is that they were ALREADY CONVEYED. They handle mercy killing in two back-to-back sections of 02, with Agumon being possessed by the Digimon Kaiser and in the movie that came out right after with Chocomon. Takeru and Hikari already mention in 02 that killing Digimon is something you sometimes have no choice in the matter, but tri.'s Hikari saying to Taichi "I'll go along with it but I'll never forgive you for it if we kill Meicoomon" feels completely out of place and just like they needed a line to say "She won't be a bargain bin brocon anymore (like we explicitly wrote her as), we solved the problem we created and it only required assassinating her character twice".You can have characters lose their way over time due to circumstances. I can believe Taichi might be pigeonholed into a specific mindset of growing up just by being in Japanese society, the younger 02 kids were always more liberal with how they integrated Digimon and each other into their lives. But tri. feels like different staff members trying to recall "that Digimon series they liked" from memory (not 02) and writing some basic bitch plot points and characterization based on a loose outline of Adventure that they read after.
>>23814466>>23814486Even all these years later I still cannot fathom how Toei made such a fucking mess of tri. that we got six terrible movies as a result.Meiko and Meicoomon are simultaneously infuriating and laughable. They're the centre of attention yet they're not allowed to have any responsibilities whatsoever.
https://twitter.com/digimon_tv/status/2042905504176050495Today's Making cut.
>>23814466what makes tri even more embarassing is how good the movies after it are young gennai cant even get a tamer card despite having a whole ass deck in the tcg >>23814540the animation is good at least, i like some of the action sequences . hilarious that final fantasy endwalker borrowed ordenimon after digimon borrowed nidhoggmon
>>23814691>what makes tri even more embarassing is how good the movies after it areBut Kizuna and Beginning are shit.
>>23814695compared to tri? nah
>>23814716They're both terrible. They're better than tri., but that isn't a high bar to clear at all.
>>23814719Kizuna is like a 9/10 and Beginnings is a 7 or 8 They are light years ahead of any of the anime movies save for the first two . OWG is a 10 and hurricane touchdown is an 8 or 9 .
>>23814745I'd put the first Tamers movie up there.Movie 1Our War GameKizunaBattle of Adventurers (this is the point where I think the parts I can criticize feel more notable, like the rushed ending or the Omegamon inclusion)Then the others are varying ranges of mid, some have elements people might like but I don't think I'd call them amazing, though I want to rewatch The Beginning to see how I feel about it now.
>>23814754Forgot to include movie 3, I greatly respect it for what it is even if it's pretty odd with the musical selection.I disrespect movie 4 on a fundamental level even if doesn't have any noticeable plot issues.
>>23814755>I disrespect movie 4 on a fundamental level even if doesn't have any noticeable plot issues.You mean Revenge of Diablomon? I'm the same with Kizuna.
>>23814754the tamers movies are fine I suppose, the hawaii movie is much better than the other one but idk i feel like both of these are the beginning of mid. OWG and Hurricane are both better than their respective series in terms of action and animation. Movie 0 is quite good too. The tamers movies arent better than tamers. I like the x antibody movie a great deal too despite it being pretty flawed.
>>23814766I like the Okinawa one for really capturing what makes Okinawa what it is. It does atmosphere really well, you can find the point in the series where it takes place (it was directed by the series director after all), and Takato's cousin Kai is included towards the end of the series to affirm its canonicity. It's a summer adventure among the summer episodes (like the one where there's a class camping trip). But I feel like PC usage with real life Windows on the screen, Omegamon voiced by Agumon/Gabumon and being glazed by other characters (including Ruki) despite doing practically nothing but being a bus, and the "Mephismon was born from the data of Apocalymon" line are pure Adventure/OWG wank that don't further the plot or themes in any way. It brings down an otherwise solid movie and it feels like latent desperation from Bandai/Toei to say "Remember OWG? See stuff that makes you think of it in theaters again!", which is exactly why I disrespect Diablomon Strikes Back so much. The first 02 movie was original, it was ambitious, and even if I don't like it more than OWG, I respect it more than the movie that's a discount retread to the point it reuses animation, music, and jokes out of sheer desperation to recapture the magic.>>23814757What I enjoy about Kizuna is that even though it has some large references to OWG and Omegamon usage, it's not just OWG. It has strong connections to the first movie, its villain was inspired by kid who inspired Ken from 02, it actually USES its 02 characters instead of hiding them in embarrassment. Even for the people who are mad for most of Sora's development happening in a short OVA tied to the movie, I, as someone who ranted about Sora earlier, think she was written completely in character and given the best she could be given. Kizuna is nostalgia, but it manages to be original and stand as its own thing. The subplot with the burner phones, the themes, it feels original but also respectful.
>>23814908>it feels original but also respectful.In actual fact I find it the complete opposite of respectful.
>>23814908ContinuedMy issue with most of the movies that follow Battle of Adventurers is that they feel like high budget filler episodes that don't really matter, they're out there to be out there. If you're a Ruki fan, you can like her movie. But watching it, I don't feel like it really adds to Tamers in a meaningful way. Same with the Frontier movie. It does some Human Digimon and Beast Digimon stuff, has a garish CGI climax, but it doesn't feel like I watched anything of substance, and I like Frontier. It's there because they always put out a movie. The Savers movie was... refreshing? But only in the sense that Savers doesn't look that good visually and it was nice to see good animation and resources put into it for once. But the plot felt even less impactful than the Frontier movie. X-evolution was a thing. No matter how many times I watch it, it's visually off-putting, runs too long especially with the horde scenes, and kind of a fever dream of things just happening with no explanation. And yes, I was familiar with the X-Antibody backstory material when I watched it.>>23814914tri. feels disrespectful to me, like it's empty nostalgia that has nothing to say other than "Remember this? We kinda do!". Kizuna feels more like "We know we fucked up with tri., here's our apology letter". The message isn't explicitly "nostalgia bad", but more like wallowing in empty nostalgia without substance as a form of comfort is. Eosmon is tri., a soulless husk of a butterfly, nothing like Morphomon. It's the feeling I get when I hear tri.'s version of butter-fly for the eighth time, the "REMEMBER?" feeling. I like how the characters sans Menoa recognize wallowing in soulless nostalgia is bad and escapism, but don't know how to turn the passion they feel for things in their past into something constructive for their future. The theme of Taichi being grounded by society and having certain expectations compared to his little sister dates back to the first movie.
Ep 25 has making me feel like chiropmon is getting a kamen rider inspired evolution for either perfect or ultimate with him being big fan of starmon
>>23814920>Kizuna feels more like "We know we fucked up with tri., here's our apology letter".And unfortunately that apology letter makes up for nothing in my opinion. tri. is abysmal and an outright disgrace to the franchise, Kizuna is better but still fundamentally bad.
>>23814920In shortI think that it understood Digimon Adventure in all its mediums. Even the last evolutions as they rise towards what Kakudou himself verbalized as "the light of evolution" in his novelization of Adventure, the twinkling light that appears during evolution bank sequences, that feels like a deep cut. The same inspiration that created the lonely Digimon Kaiser is what inspired Menoa. There's a couple Wallace cameos, Meiko and Meicoomon even briefly appear which is more than they deserve. But they don't feel empty, they feel like pieces of the overall tapestry that is Adventure which Kizuna wants to represent.When tri. says "the villain is Yggdrasil", it doesn't mean anything to me. It's just taking a Digimon thing and throwing it at another property without it meaning anything or amounting to much. Calling the other antagonist Homeostasis (the one that protects stability in Adventure) is shocking because that comes from Kakudou's novel, but it doesn't resemble Homeostasis from the series in the slightest. Using one of the songs from the drama CDs for a ringtone was an honest shock, but it feels just as out of place as the name Homeostasis. Gennai saying "Maybe I'll use Demon next time" is an empty reference. Nothing is said, everything is empty references, nothing means anything, it's just a nostalgia cashgrab by people who don't understand what they're referencing.
>>23814920>I like how the characters sans Menoa recognize wallowing in soulless nostalgia is bad and escapism, but don't know how to turn the passion they feel for things in their past into something constructive for their future.And this is why I hate everything that has come out of Adventure after OWG.
>>23814944Agreed. Zero Two is where all the problems began. I consider everything after Our War Game to be an alternate continuity for the Adventure timeline.
>>23814949>>23814944Adventure's writing begins to have issues during the Tokyo arc
>>23814953Yes because Zero Two was being worked on at the same time. God I hate that season.
>>23814954>>23814949the armor part of 02 was fantastic and then when you get to the jogress part they kinda lose the plotpretty ironic that the d-3 is canon in the DC universe
>>23814954I have a respect for 02 even if it's a notable drop-off from Adventure. It really does feel like a different series in how its executed, and what its themes are, and it loses a lot of things that I liked in Adventure in the process. But just because it's not the original and of a lower quality overall (barring maybe animation which gradually improved with each series) doesn't mean I outright dislike it. I think it's just hurt by poor execution and messy writing. The ideas are there and aren't inherently bad ideas, a lot of them are really interesting. I can see that there's Adventure in it.But I also think that everything that followed the original Adventure movie is downhill, that movie was the highest peak. You didn't need to know a single thing about Digimon to understand and have it resonate with you. OWG is great, but it's something you need a lot of background material to get the most out of, and Mamoru Hosoda admits that he just handwaved a miracle into happening at the end because the movie was supposed to be pure fun rather than making a thematic narrative.
>>23814957Zero Two lost the plot well before Jogress. Arguably it never had the plot at all.>>23814960>The ideas are there and aren't inherently bad ideas, a lot of them are really interesting.I honestly wonder how Zero Two would have been received if it was never linked to Adventure and was its own season set in 2002. Probably similar to Frontier.
>>23814960if they made cody and yolei more intresting characters than 02 would have worked better. these two are super undercooked compared to the adventure cast who all had their own strengths and weaknesses. I have a soft spot for davis and I think ken is on par with the adventure cast - lately we get these really milktoast protagonists who exist for their big personality digimon to play off of and while I don't think davis fits this bill he gets gets pretty close to it
>>23814965Ideas I like include>Ken as a character and concept, though I don't always like how his episodes are executed. I like that a highly intelligent Chosen Child slips into darkness and becomes the antagonist, that his past has his own trauma and that while he seems successful on the surface, he's deeply lonely by being at the top. Having a warped child like him be savable and try to atone for what he's done is a great story idea.>Jogress being incorporated into the story as a way of connecting hearts, especially when it's used with Ken who was an antagonist>The struggles Ken goes through in convincing others that he's changed, particularly Iori whose firm sense of right and wrong sometimes blinds him, and maybe Miyako to a lesser extent who had a crush on him until she found out he was the Kaiser. There's a real sense of having to earn everything from the ground up.>The older, busier kids having to act in support roles to the elementary school cast who have more free time, but when they have time off like holidays, they can contribute more often, though I think it also makes them feel somewhat ineffectual by being unable to evolve early on, minus Koushirou who is MVP as usual.>Digimon gradually becoming a worldwide phenomena that connects people, mirroring the real world rise in popularity>The greater focus on teamwork being tied to this and Jogress>The potential of children>Saving the Digital World and treating it as an afterschool hobby and saving it territory by territory is totally different to being trapped in it and looking to go home, but I really like how it lead the new kids to being overly idealistic and thinking they could get by without seriously fighting back>Daisuke's emotional struggle with having to potentially kill Agumon early on (plus Chocomon in the movie, but that's more feeling grief for Wallace's struggle) and how this translates into him having fewer gripes later than Miyako and Iori
>>2381497702 also might have been improved if the two new characters jogressed with each other instead of with kari and TK. I kind of like the generational torch passing aspect too. If we got a 03 than Cody likely would have been on the team as the eldest memeber along with 3 or 5 younger characters. I wonder what the fuck was going on with Ken's older brother that is a pretty intresting plot point that never got explored. Is ken's older brother analog youth maybe? I have heard people theorize that izzy is analog youth
>>23814920>Kizuna feels more like "We know we fucked up with tri., here's our apology letter"That's basically Kizuna's opening nostalgia bait fight scene that is out of place with the rest of the movie, even has Taichi wearing "tech" goggles once again made by Koushiro.
>>23814979>Cody likely would have been on the team as the eldest memberI can't even imagine a sequel to 02 where the sole returning team character is best described as "beige incarnate."
>>23814977But to also add on, I don't like 02's Band-Aid writing (or whatever I've called it before) where they add on plot elements far too late in the story.Takeru having a hatred for darkness and going paladin mode on Ken's ass isn't an inherently bad idea, it's just hilariously out of nowhere and not foreshadowed in the least, the narrator has to explain this 60 episode long trauma the episode it first comes up. If it was something that we saw build up over those previous episodes it would have been fine, but it wasn't.The whole "We can't evolve to Perfect" mentioned 27 episodes in also feels way too late. Angewomon is in the opening and endings, she appears in the Konaka episode and in the movie. Hikari never mentions any abnormalities with this. The reason they weren't evolving was the dark towers, but apparently they gave up their Crests a year ago too so Perfect/Ultimate is impossible. Say it earlier and have those instances come off as unusual in the moment, it just feels like lazy writing and retcons otherwise.Different writers write characters differently too. Daisuke goes from abrasive asshole to your best friend ever depending on who's handling him this episode. It's really noticeable.>>23814979If I remember correctly, they were sharing the Digivice, but after Ken went to the Digital World on his own, his brother got angry at him and it scared Ken. You can see a shot where he resembled what Ken would later manifest as his Digimon Kaiser outfit. But his brother was seen as the smart one, and he was killed in a random car accident one day. Oikawa (manipulated by Vamdemon) used this emotional trauma to foster the dark seed left in Ken by Millenniumon to turn him into the Digimon Kaiser and create more dark seeds that he could implant in other children, which Vamdemon uses to resurrect.Personally I would have liked it if the dark seeds were Millenniumon trying to resurrect itself.
>>23814981>3 turbo autists and cody as tard wranglerimagine cody hanging out with the appmon or ghostgame team and just telling them not to be retards>>23814982on a conceptual level i think oikawa and the dark seeds are one of the weakest parts of 02. the idea of an older human villian is pretty cool but everything else is pretty terrible.
>>23814983>imagine cody hanging out with the appmon or ghostgame teamHe'd continuously tell Haru to stop hanging around evil androids, which will be ignored. And he would be the most boring victim in Ghost Game who everyone forgets about.
>>23814983I love Oikawa in Japanese, he's so lame. I'll always remember him trying to come up with a new name for Hikarigaoka (I think it was called Highton View Terrace or something in the dub) that removes the "Hikari" (light) and replaces it with a word signifying darkness, so he's saying Yamigaoka and Darkgaoka. It's so dumb and cheesy but I like how it humanizes him even as a manchild. I like Archnemon and Mummymon, especially Mummymon not being that bad of a guy, he just loves Archnemon. Their deaths are brutal, and you feel bad for them, like they're not outright BAD, it's like watching Team Rocket get offed.But I also have insane respect for what they tried to do with Iori's grandfather extending an olive branch to Oikawa and trying to befriend him and bond over the mutual grief and connection with Iori's father (Oikawa's best friend when they were kids). And how Oikawa is genuinely touched by this and starts to go for it, but Vamdemon's spirit NOPES and pulls him back. And in that same vein, I like how what finally stopped BlackWarGreymon wasn't simply beating him in a fight, it was all his talks with Agumon and also V-mon and Wormmon where he wants to know their perspectives. I like villains who are reasonable, I like when conflict resolution doesn't NEED to just be fighting the other guy until he dies or is sent flying away. That's one thing I really liked about The Beginning as well, when the goal was to get Lui to talk it out with Ukkomon, and that's what stops him. And Daisuke's "Well it wasn't much of a fight but I like endings like this too". It's coming to a mutual understanding.
>>23814990>when the goal was to get Lui to talk it out with Ukkomon, and that's what stops himAnd the single shot from Imperialdramon.
>>23814992It's been a hot minute since I've seen it, but I remember it was about getting Lui there so he could talk to Ukkomon, person to Digimon, not as a mysterious and magical wish-granting creature, but as two personalities. And Ukkomon finally dropping the inhuman wish-granting creature personality, and talking to Lui like how friends would talk and make up. Because Lui had never spoke to Ukkomon as his friend, and Ukkomon only ever tried to grant Lui's wishes, they hadn't come to an understanding as individuals.
>>23814998I don't think it's clear what exactly Lui is speaking to in Ukkospace, the actual Ukkomon or something created from Lui's memories. Same as his mother. Real or not, I guess it doesn't matter as long as Lui has closure.Shit movie either way.
>>23814977>Saving the Digital World and treating it as an afterschool hobby and saving it territory by territory is totally different to being trapped in it and looking to go home, but I really like how it lead the new kids to being overly idealistic and thinking they could get by without seriously fighting backThis is one of 02's key failings for me because it removes the jeopardy of the original. Episode 6 for me epitomises how badly it's treated not just by the new kids, but almost half of the original cast. Yes, I get it was the weekend and they didn't expect the Digimon Kaiser to be there. But with everything that's going on, surely treating the Digital World as a fun day out is rather ignorant. Even Palmon calls Mimi out on it (which as an aside does make me wonder how aware she was of what was happening; I know she's self-centered to a fault, but that lack of awareness is poor even for her).>>23814982>Different writers write characters differently too.I found this to be the most egregious during the "second Digimental" arc (11-16). Nobody is written well in those episodes. I understand Digimon's focus episodes can have characters act exaggerated, but those felt uniformly bad to me. And I include Konaka's episode in that opinion as well, it left me with no impression at all.
>>23814990yeah mummymon and archenemon being too much like team rocket makes me dislike themthe episode where agumon meets black wargreymon and he cant destroy a flower ( representing the crest of kindness) and then the 02 kids get picked up by the joe and izzy's older brothers and they talk about shinto nature spirits ( that we later saw in survival) was a really good 2 parterblackwargreymon was a good villian and I like the nod to 'deep lore' with his dramon destroyers doing their job >>23815002is it weird if I see ukkomon as an anticalumon? this might be perspective being tilted by the cardgame>>23815003i would argue that as much as it being a facet of the writers its more the premise of the arc - they had to do the characters differently to give them different flaws to make them earn different digimentals
I am glad I am not an autistic Adventurefag
>>23815010>its more the premise of the arc - they had to do the characters differently to give them different flaws to make them earn different digimentalsI'm aware of that, but it just doesn't work in the slightest. Miyako and Iori's episodes felt the worst.
>>23815025yeah adventure didn't really have much of a forced episodic structure apart from earning evolutions and even then those didn't follow too much of a strict scheduled beyond getting champions rolling. 02 got forced into a very episode pattern - one of the few times toei tried to appease bandai imo
>>23814982>but apparently they gave up their Crests a year ago too so Perfect/Ultimate is impossible.This doesn't make sense and completely contradicts the ending of Adventure. They didn't need the crests. The crests were just symbolizing aspects of them as people. They can't give that up. 02 from the very start shit all over the original series.The original cast all regressed and became assholes too. Koushiro was probably the only one that stayed a good character. Mimi had an excuse that she was living halfway across the world. Everyone else? Assholes. Hikari and Takeru barely felt like mentors. All their experience didn't matter. They were on the same level as the new kids.
>>23815048That's exactly what they used, their inner crests, not physical ones. They get the crests back later, and they aren't physical.But, yeah, it's weird this is a plot element at all.
>>23815051>inner crestsThat's them just making shit up to justify sidelining the original cast.
>>23815053Almost as good as "Digimon get weak when they're in the real world for too long."
>>23815048What amazes me with Mimi is how much she contributes despite being in NYC. She does more than Sora or Jou did. She's even better in the World Tour than Sora who spends most of her spell in Russia being unable to talk to Russians or almost falling to her death.>>23815051>But, yeah, it's weird this is a plot element at all.It only exists so the original kids don't just walk in and flatten the Kaiser immediately. It's easily the most ridiculous part of Zero Two. And there was a lot of ridiculousness in it. Like >>23815054.
>>23815049I love this guyThe absurdity of his motivationHis partner with low self-esteemHis sheer passionWhen he sacrificed himself to save everyone
>>23815056I can't even be fully mad at this because it's a continuation of Adventure's favorite boogeyman buzzword "distortions", its carrot on a stick writing. It was this, no actually it was this, no it was in fact this, no the distortions were caused by this the whole time, but actually in 02 the distortions were still in fact there.
>>23815056>What amazes me with Mimi is how much she contributes despite being in NYC. She does more than Sora or Jou did.She was lucky time zones didn't exist until later in the show.
>>23815060She was what, 13/14 hours behind the rest of them (depending on the time of year)? And yet she still went to the Digital World one day to feed YukimiBotamon marshmallows because she could.
>>23815054I thought this was a good gimmick. I also really like how later in 02 when they go to higher levels they revert to below rookie level for awhile- that is a great worldbuilding element ( luffy used this in one piece lol )
>>23815139It's a sensible gimmick when everyone around the world is about to have a Digimon partner. And all the sequels afterwards would have been over before they began.
>>23815139They did this in Adventure as well, like when WarGreymon beat Mugendramon and reverted to Koromon, or after first evolving to MetalGreymon and then being sucked into the vortex, or with Angewomon reverting to Nyaromon (I think? It might have been Plotmon). They even did it in Kizuna after Omegamon's evolution comes undone and he reverts all the way down to Koromon and Tsunomon. I like the idea that the higher the evolution level, the greater the energy expenditure and blowback.Beatbreak isn't taking that approach even though it's heavily based on using e-Pulse, and Digimon that run too low or take too much damage revert to Baby I. It's weird that Baby II just gets skipped over outside of silhouettes.
>>23815171>Beatbreak isn't taking that approach even though it's heavily based on using e-Pulse, and Digimon that run too low or take too much damage revert to Baby I. It's weird that Baby II just gets skipped over outside of silhouettes.And oddly enough the episode that's just aired has shown the opposite.You literally ram an egg into a Baby I and poof, here's your Child Digimon back.
>>23808288https://x.com/digimon_tv/status/2042905504176050495>>23808377Ballistamon having had Kabutack's VA is interesting
Been watching dubbed tamer recently. Glad they got Larry Davis and Jerry Seinfeld to write for it. But seriously, they really did well with the dubbed humor for a kid
https://nyaa.si/view/2097026How was Beatbreak's 26th episode?
>>23815295i kinda wish japan would do a season inspired by the dub, sort of like a Superhuman Syber Squad to SSSS Gridman situation . I miss the goofy voices and the amount the party argues with each other in the dub , japanese kids are way too respectful to each other compared to the dub kids - i dont care for the censorship of course. Trigger presents colon 02 with tai and davis paling around like simon and kamina; written by the panty and stocking bitchwhores fk yeah
>>23815171I liked how much we saw baby and in-training in 02 , adventure did it first but not nearly as oftenya'll are right that being in the real world sucking power from a digimon is kind of a contradiction with so many people worldwide getting digimon. They would need the worlds to merge to support that which is kind of the opposite of the way the movies went
>>23815421Wouldn't put it past Toei to reboot Adventure as an episodic goofball comedy. But with more Taichi.
>>23815431how impossible would it be to keep the best parts of the original adventure (character range, stakes) with the best parts of colon( action, loving and knowing the iconic cast )? not that I want more adventure ( though doing colon 02 would be a good way around this) but we need deeper characters - the adventure cast has alot of difficulties and trauma and get stuck together and we haven't really seen that again since frontier - this makes the full range of romance, comedy , action, dark and holy evolution hit harder.
https://twitter.com/digimon_tv/status/2043124438586310818
>>23814920See I think beginning is the most disrespectful. >um actually this guy you never heard of is the most important character and his digimon has godlike powers but he still killed him and oh he has one of the digimon's eyes too!
New card.
>>23815708Anyone think it's weird that we haven't gotten many new designs made for the anime with Beatbreak relative to other Digimon (barring tri. and maybe the original Adventure which was pulling from other sources for most of its run)Based on what we've seen, we've only gotten like 14 new Digimon from it so far, and that's counting the evolutions that debuted in the TCG.
>>23816041they need a better designer if metalgreenmon is what they are putting out. TS had a shockingly low number of new digimon as well.
>>23816041I think it's 15?>6 for Tomoro (from Baby I to Ultimate and potentially another Ultimate)>2 for Reina (Pristimon & Wolvermon)>2 for Makoto (Chiropmon & NightChiropmon)>3 for Kyo (Cougarmon, Murasamemon & Habakirimon)>2 for Monodramon (Rhamphomon & Azhdarmon)I can't think of any other brand new ones? Only ones which haven't appeared in the anime before.
>>23816144I forgot Ramphomon and Azhdarmon, make it 16. I'm also counting Hyemon, though it has two designs but I don't think that matters too much.To use Tamers and its adjacent stuff as an example,>Gigimon > Jyarimon > Guilmon > Growmon > MegaloGrowmon > Megidramon / Dukemon > Dukemon: Crimson Mode>BlackGrowmon > BlackMegaloGrowmon > ChaosDukemon>Growmon (Data) > MegaloGrowmon (Data)>Relemon > Pokomon > Renemon > Kyubimon > Taomon > Sakuyamon > Sakuyamon: Miko Mode>Youkomon > Doumon > Kuzuhamon>Kyubimon (Vaccine) > Taomon (Vaccine)>Rapidmon (Perfect) > SaintGalgomon>Impmon > Beelzebumon / Beelzebumon: Blast Mode>Culumon>12 Devas (including a different Andiramon)>Mephismon > Gulfmon>Paomon > Xiamon > Labramon > Siesamon / Dobermon > Cerberumon > Anubismon>Ketomon > Hopmon > Monodramon > Strikedramon > Justimon (Accel Arm / Blitz Arm / Critical Arm)>Locomon > GrandLocomon>ParasimonNot counting stuff like BlackGuilmon, MedievalDukemon, or X-Antibodies which came out after the Tamers era. Or the D-Reaper and its many forms for that matter since they're technically not Digimon. The Cyberdramon line (barring Cyberdramon itself) is a little weird, but Brave Tamer is Tamers-adjacent enough that I think they count. Even the non-anime Armor Evolutions should count for the 02 era I think since they were made at the same time as the main 02 Digimon and designed based on them.
>>23816176>HyemonOh yeah, I'd completely forgotten about them.
Tamer question.I get dobermon was from the sovereigns. Whats up with his partner? Who is she? Is she a guest character from another universe like ryo. Also, how did Dobermon give the trip the ability to go mega?
>>23816233Alice was the granddaughter of one of the Wild Bunch, the human programmers who created the original digimon iirc the theory Jenrya had was that when they were in the Digital World they became digital beings and that's why they were able to Matrix Evolve. And once they got back to the real world they lost that ability because they were flesh and blood again. We don't know if that was actually the case, just that somehow Dobermon was able to help them by sacrificing his own life.And for whatever reason Ryo didn't need Doberman (maybe the Sovereigns sent more than one?)
>>23816233Adding onto what >>23816254 said, Konaka himself posted on his blog how she seemed like a mysterious person who wasn't there, like she was actually dead or something, but that's not how the character was necessarily intended to be written, it's just his conspiracy brain at work when he looks at her in the episode. I actually got the same impression, but that's really all you can say about it. What would it mean if she was dead? It doesn't follow up on it. The implications that it would raise are too vague to say anything meaningful for the story. It's never explored in any way. How would it even make sense?It's an idea that's more interesting as a tease than it is in functional use, which I think is Konaka's specialty, but also his weakness. The questions and mysteries tend to be more interesting than the answers. The Wild Bunch themselves were more interesting when it was being hidden from us, like they were a secret group in the past that did something that's been covered up, and now they're being tailed by the government. But then it turns out they were just a group of computer science students in university who had a club and inadvertently created the Digital World and Digimon at their most basic before selling the idea to Bandai. There's nothing clandestine about them. Even SHIBUMI, who's been mysteriously missing for years but is somehow involved, just comes back later and he's a regular dude.
>>23816176Anubismon was a card gamemonTerriermon and Gargomon were made for tamers and just previewed early in the movie. Counting the recolors is bad, not that these are bad recolors. Tamers had about 52 original digimon and this series was not even huge in terms of new monsters. I think xross and appmon had the most original monsters. >>23816269Alice is LAIN and lain wears a monzemon pin
>>23816280Anubismon was made for the Labramon line which was made for the first Tamers movie, like how Lopmon's entire line isn't fully included in the first 02 movie (the Baby II Chocomon appears, but not Baby I Cocomon, and Lopmon itself only appears at the end of the Japanese credits in an illustration with Wallace and Terriermon). Similarly, it's like how Chrysalimon was made for the Diablomon line at the same time as the others (unlike Armagemon), but doesn't appear in OWG at all since Keramon skips Adult. It's still what I would call OWG-adjacent, in that it came out at the same time and is inextricably linked to OWG.I'm thinking by that logic though, I should add Turuiemon to Tamers-adjacent Digimon since it came out around the same time as the Deva Andiramon as a sort of "good" evolution path instead of Wendimon. But Terriermon wasn't made for Tamers, it was brought back for Tamers with the same VA and mannerisms because it was so well-received in the movie, and Tamers just expands upon its evolution line. It's the odd one out compared to Guilmon and Renamon, which are far larger than previous Child Digimon, and they deal with hiding different ways narratively compared to the more standard stuffed animal-size Terriermon.Lain already has a character named Alice, and the series was written before any Digimon anime existed.
>>23816254>>23816269Yeah, thanks. I guess Im asking whats the excuse in that dobermon is able to let them biomerge? Did they develop an explanation that didnt make it through to the dub? Or it really just “poof you can now biomerge”. Im 5 episodes left so I guess the Goth bitch revealing she is a wild one’s granddaughter will come out. Honestly she and the way dobermon was fleshed out feels really unnecessary. Still the best digimon series to me though.
>>23817011And yeah, the “we arent data so we cant biomerge” thing did come through the english dub.
>>23816295anubismon was made for the card game, hyper colloseium used to drop new mon entirely at random
>>23815341Expected a goofy filler episode with no lasting consequences.Got something that was still pretty filler-ish, but went in weirdly dark directions, made a small change to the status quo, and even managed to tie things back to Pandamon.
>Episode 27: Hitomi is reunited with Tomoro after a long time, but something seems off. A strange bandage wrapped around Hitomi causes Tomoro and the others to start showing affection towards Digimon...With that last line I wonder if the Haruomi and Elizamon plot is going to spill over into this episode
>>23815708SWORD line
>>23817011The implication is that the Sovereigns used Dobermon as a delivery system for some sort of catalyst that turned them into Data in the Real WorldWhat that means long term for those kids is anyone's guess. Are they still even human?
>>23817330They where likely not fully human the second they got the d-arc.Remember even before biomerging tamers and digimon were becoming more and more entangled as they digivolved, in the ultimate fights they often shared battle damage.
>>23817166There are Digimon that debut in the card game, but I don't know if I would say many were outright made for it.What I'm saying is this>The Guilmon and Renamon lines for made for the Tamers anime, Terriermon was brought back and expanded upon>The D-Ark toys based on the Digivices from the anime let you train them and evolve them>These toys introduced recolors for the Guilmon (BlackGrowmon/BlackMegaloGrowmon/ChaosDukemon) and Renamon (Youkomon/Doumon/Kuzuhamon) lines, which are treated like dark evolutionary paths based on their sprites>Terriermon instead got replaced by the Labramon line in D-Ark Ver. 2.0, which was released around the same time as the Tamers movie which prominently featured Labramon/Siesamon as a new Digimon tied to the story>Both the D-Ark Ver. 2.0 and Hyper Colosseum expanded upon Labramon/Siesamon's evolutionary line at the time the movie came out and gave it a "logical line" like how Chrysalimon is the missing logical Adult stage from OWG that was designed to complete the Diablomon line, but just because it debuted in the card game, it doesn't mean it was made FOR the card game, it was made for Diablomon's line in OWG and just not used in the movie itself>Dobermon was adapted from a fan contest design and incorporated into Tamers months later, and it was quickly put as an alternative Adult stage for Labramon that better fit the Cerberumon PerfectAs an alternative example, I think Dracomon (or one of its earlier stages) debuted in the card game after Hyper Colosseum, but it wasn't named for a year because it only appeared in the background of another Digimon who was the card's focus. The Dracomon line was made for Digimon Championship on the DS that came out a year later, but it just so happened to appear on an earlier card.
>>23816254>>23817330I wonder if because of his history of travelling through time and space and multiple Earths and Digital Worlds, Ryo was already a digital being It still would have been neat to see an evolution sequence for him and Cyberdramon
>>23817357I did not know that about the d-ark 2.0 as a long time veedramon stan i fucking hate dracomon. >>23817547this overlaps well with louie becoming part digimon
>>23817569>louie becoming part digimonThe movie would have been memorable if he did anything with that eye.
>>23817357I should say it only fits Cerberumon visually. Thematically, the line is about legendary canines (Siesa, Cerberus, Anubis). Dobermon actually fits Labramon's naming scheme more by being based on a regular dog.And then there's Dogmon which debuted in D-Ark Ver. 1.0 and that's a weird can of worms.
>>23817593dogmon is funny as shit im glad plutomon is a thing now , cerberusmon werewolfmode is cool tooif you want to talk about stranded dogs lets talk about fangmon and his v-tamer jail evolution lykkamon. That guy should have been the merkurimon line but nah bit too many garurucentric mons. anubis with the garuru stripes, merkuri coming from weregaruru beacuse TS is creatively bankrupt , we got that new chinky antylia+garuru fusion ( I like that we are getting really weird fusions but not the aesthetics of all of them. I hope the card game does not fuck these up but considering how the last sets have been so focused on traits it prolly will )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDM9vwkmdpsEpisode 27 preview.
4 episodes left of tamersWhy do I remember Jeri’s story being much more tragic? Like my 9 year brain thought her dad beat and abandoned her. Also, at what point did Jeri become the host of the d reaper? Did I miss her being attacked or infected in the digital world?
>finished the show>marineangemon doesnt dedigivolveWhat did they mean by thjs
>>23817988>JeriFucking Saban...
So what does the comandramon and elizamon lines fuse into? A chaosmon? You know whats coming.
>>23818032Its really funny that they went out of their way to rename Li to Henry. Could they not just use Lee? We all knew who Bruce Lee or Jet Lee was.
>>23817988>Why do I remember Jeri’s story being much more tragic? Like my 9 year brain thought her dad beat and abandoned her.I mean, there's not a lot covered beyond him being emotionally distant from her. It's easy to fill in the blanks by inferring the worst.>Also, at what point did Jeri become the host of the d reaper? During episode 40. It's implied it "scanned" her when a D-Reaper bubble pops up by her foot early on, but otherwise the switch happens between her wandering off and Guardromon finding "her".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GJkhg3M0jo
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>>23818038FullArmorStyracomon
>>23818038At first it's chaosmon lamia arm, then in the season 10 filler episode they resolve their differences and chaomon lamia arm evolves into Typhonmon
Beatbreak Episode 26’s comic.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/143039351
>>23821610they arent comparable, the jellyfish is human and the other one is a furry
Tactics Team Seven’s win-loss rates.
>>23821683I believe in Jellymon supremacy.
>>23822207>sunriza designed as a golemon rookie>everyone immediately forgets >metalgreenmon
https://nyaa.si/view/2100004How was Beabtreak's 27th episode?
>>23804721We now have a name for the mystery girl who will be the focus of this arc.It is Miharu Kagemori.
>>23823874Here's a translation of the legible parts of the profile:She is bestowed with the talent to [REDACTED]. She has [REDACTED] almost like [REDACTED]. Behind this is that she is [REDACTED], the [REDACTED] of [REDACTED].
https://twitter.com/digimon_tv/status/2045661153846759828Episode 28 preview.
>Haruomi episode>Filled with silly conman grifting and shenanigans before unleashing a boatload of genuine traumaThe ending was a bit rushed but this guy never fails to entertain
>>23824557Just want to expand thoughts a bitThe thing with Haruomi killing Elizamon's previous partner isn't dwelt on long enough with Elizamon. There's the reveal to her, the brief fight, Commandramon takes the hit, you got your vengeance, Elizamon cries, Commandramon asks her to stay with them, they open up a curry shop and everyone lives happily ever after minus squabbling. Like what happened with the guy's kids and wife? I can buy that Tactics may have come back to grab Elizamon if they did anything with the body, but this whole situation seemed like they really skimmed through a lot of the baggage to get to their happy end. It's honestly the kind of topic that deserved at least two episodes and the rest of the family to be involved, that's how serious the topic is, but the juxtaposition of being a wacky cooking showdown episode traps it in one episode. That's why the scene of him recognizing the pink curry is such an insane tonal shift. Like it's a fun and entertaining and emotional episode, but it's also a real what the hell am I watching episode.
Hey /m/ it's like a group meetup
I'm almost done with my Adventure rewatch. Last time I watched it was long before even Tri was a thing. I'm going to watch Our War Game but then I don't know if I should watch Colon. How is it? Any shenanigans? I remember back when it was originally airing, people complained about the sibling pairs getting all the screen time. How do the others fair in the end?
>>23824926>How do the others fair in the end?Honestly not great. They get their Ultimates eventually, but they only got to show up maybe twice each? Including the finale where they didn't really do anything. Sora didn't even fight someone to get hers, just stopped a volcanoThere must have been this really weird edict where Taichi and Agumon were required to show up in every single episode because even when the kids got split up and got their own individual focus episodes, Taichi still somehow managed to be there
>>23824975Sora didn't even fight someone to get hers, just stopped a volcanoI swear the people behind the franchise hate this character. She is consistently treated the worst.
>>23824926>>23824975Just to add that Mimi is the clear favourite of the Colon staff, and it massively shows. She even had a cameo in Ghost Game straight afterwards. Well,her Adventure and Zero Two outfits did.>>23825040Even in original Adventure she didn't have the best treatment. Still miles better than what followed though.
>>23823874She looks like she has cancer
How would you feel if we got a protagmon that, at Mega, can equip its teammates as weapons/arms and the other teammates don't get a proper mega
>>23824926Joe and Mimi and Izzy get a ton of attention, Kari Sora and Matt less than the original. I really like colon. Colon feels like they were playing with the whole franchise toybox in a way that none of the other animes are daring enough to, besides maybe Xross Wars , though xross wars has so many original designs its also kinda doing its own thing ( which is selling the new product) . Shit like goddramon and pegasusmon was extremely hype . the fight against crossmon as a refrence to the original short film and the 'horn is pride' ogremon fight are super hype too. all of the characters have their personalities downplayed , the show is much more action heavy instead of a character driven mystery drama isekai . I expected colon to be far more derivative than it was . >>23825196That sounds mostly like Xross Wars? I like digimon weaponizing other digimon, Henrey and Terriermon used zudo hammer and wargrey shield at rookie level, Xross Wars does this constantly and Appmon occasionally
>>23825217I gotta be honest I totally forgot Xros Wars while writing that
>>23825298how would you envision your idea being different? I remember being very entertained by Xross Wars and thinking it has one of the best depictions of the digital world , perhaps its time to rewatch it ( I need to start liberator and beatbreak, i barely got 10 episodes into ghost game. I am craving appmon due to the card game lol been tearing it up with hades. I keep watching toku instead )
>>23825299I was imagining something like Justimon's arms, so it's basically like Ultraman Omega in a sense
>>23825326we got chaosmon with his valdur, lion, darkdramon and slepneir arms. kudamon and bancholeomon featured in tamers but we didn't really see the rest of them.
>>23825373Did they ever make a Sleip Arm?
>>23825196
>>23825196KaiserGreymon + MagnaGarurumon?
Started watching 02. I recall Davis opening a roadside ramen stand when he got older in the epilogue. Everyone went on to have great lives. He went on to be a fucking loser lmao
>>23825196Isnt this basically shoutmon?
>>23826491>successful restaurateur>fucking loserPick one.
>>23826495>successful restauranteur>rickshaw ramen shopLol
>>23826512Let's see YOUR rickshaw ramen shop, then.
>>23826515Sorry, too busy playing all 3 hours of time stranger DLC
>>23825196I assume that's what some of the Ultimates are going to be (at least for Reina and Makoto). I think the whole 半分こ/halfsies or however it's translated could make a solid reappearance like this, Gekkomon already referenced it in the Elizamon episode. It's going to be Jogress in everything but name, but they're going to nail down the "we're a family" thing by having the characters empower one another. Like overlaying beats. And we'll get our Tsukuyomimon with all of Glowing Dawn (which is what Habakirimon's design is implying), just like we got Susanoomon with all the Spirits in Frontier. But I hope we also get a standard Gekkomon Ultimate that does the Date Masamune thing, because they've been building on that since near the beginning.
>>23826188theres a steam mod for it. despite only relational evidence its pseudo canon. most of his white bits have become redthe real liminal shit is merkurimon arm or the unreleased american imperial + diaboro armed version . this one was uncolored but the sketch looks fucking cool. probobly black body.
>>23826512he has a much nicer ramen shop in the recent 02 movie
>>23826512It's Japan, road side carts are better than most of the restaurants because the cart can spend money on actual food instead of spending 80% of their income on property tax and the other 20% on anime tie in events.
>>23826512>Everyone has a Digimon partner in the future>Just not here>>23826870That wasn't his shop. He was only successful after moving to America.
>>23826491He appeared on the cover of TIME, he can't have been that bad.>>23826512>that McDonalds logoAI slop before AI slop existed.
>>23827851>AI slop before AI slop existed.Pretty sure the image has been AI upscaled, which is adding artifacts that makes it all even worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftMAGZaB_nk
>>23827919You're right. They barely edited the original word on the sign.
>>23827980Holy shit I never noticed the AA mcdonalds before now.
02's epilogue>Taichi becomes an ambassador/diplomat between the real world and the Digital World>Yamato becomes an astronaut with Gabumon becoming the first Digimon astronaut>Sora becomes a Japanese women's fashion designer, evoking a sense of Japanese femininity and aesthetic like her iemoto mother, showing reconciliation, and she also married Yamato>Koushirou becomes a Digimon researcher>Mimi starts her own cooking show>Joe becomes a doctor for people and Digimon>Takeru is the narrator of the series and a successful author, and the series is essentially his memoirs>Hikari became a kindergarten teacher>Daisuke become a world-famous ramen proprietor based in New York>Ken became a detective with Stingmon as his partner as a reference to Kamen Rider Kuuga (Ichijou Kaoru, Ichijouji Ken)>Miyako fully forgave Ken after the Digimon Kaiser stuff destroyed her romantic interest and ended up starting a big family in spite of her finding her own large family suffocating>Iori followed in the steps of his law-abiding father and became a lawyerEveryone's "ideal" epilogue>Tai becomes a soccer pro and marries Sora and also Kari and having illicit homoerotic relationships with Matt and Davis>Matt is a harmonica rock star and has an illicit homoerotic relationship with Tai>Sora becomes a soccer pro who says "NO WAY" to being girly and marries Tai and ONLY Tai>Izzy is the same but marries Mimi>Mimi marries Izzy and Joe>Joe is the same but marries Mimi>T.K. marries Kari>Kari marries T.K., Tai, and Davis>Davis becomes a soccer pro and marries Kari while having illicit homoerotic relationships with Tai and Ken>Ken becomes a soccer pro and has an illicit homoerotic relationship with Davis>Yolei and Cody die and everyone plays soccer on their graves while Matt and KNIFE OF DAY play DIGIMON GARLIC CHAMPIONS which devolves into a pile of naked sweaty people in polyamorous relationships (minus Sora, who is devoted only to Tai)
>>23828797this but not gay
>>23828797You';re forgetting Takeru's early bout with Alzheimer's when he calls Lui the first Chosen Child to have ever existed. And Nat-chan.
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>>23828797Mimi should only be married to me.
How would you describe the traumas/issues that the early digimon characters started with?
>>23829540construction boy is the most based answer, liminal gabumon armor form
>>23829540Kyoudai!
>>23829540Poor Chamblemon
>>23829944i remember the era when my veedramon line had to be mushmon>veedra>aeroveedra>machinedra(cuz i wanted to leave agu for others)chamble is cool, not sure why he a champ tho
>>23828797>after 25 years, Miyako is finally given a career benefiting the planet>her being worm food isn't even uniqueDamn, even in shitposts she has nothing.
>>23830046Anon could have at least gone with the Mimi's nerd harem angle.
>>23829833Taichi doesn't quite have trauma outside of way later when he's overprotective of Hikari to the point he resembles Yamato's outbursts involving protecting Takeru. He has moments where he's emotionally shaken by his own recklessness, like when he realized that the Digital World wasn't some virtual reality where he was immortal, and that he had put everyone's lives at risk.Yamato is more about having his friendships tested, and his complex relationship with his immediate family.Sora has been living with feeling like she's unwanted by her parents for a while and overcompensates by being the mom of the group as a way of getting love, and I think it's this trauma that goes all the way into Kizuna even if she develops by trying to live for herself.Koushirou gets overly absorbed in what he's fascinated as a way of shutting out the outside world, which comes off as insensitive. But he comes to be the best supporting character anytime he's involved and he even talks things out with his foster parents instead of avoiding them.Mimi's trauma stems from the events of Adventure itself and all the loss of Digimon life that she learns to not avoid.Jou isn't really traumatized, he just neurotically feels a sense of responsibility as the eldest, but he's also on the right path.Takeru gets his trauma dump in 02 and it's laughable for how out of left field it is.Hikari gets a little bit of trauma in the first movie, and they have the Dark Ocean stuff in 02 which is written kind of weirdly too.
>>23830225That would explain how Miyako was able to travel to and attend three different countries' universities in the span of 2 years to "study" "computers.">>23830230>feeling like she's unwanted by her parentsWell, only her mother as her father doesn't exist until 02.
>>23829833>>23830230Daisuke doesn't have trauma. He's obviously hurt when the boy prodigy that he looked up to ends up being his worst enemy, but he's more proactive with dealing with things.Ken is easily the most traumatized of the original four anime with the death of his brother, his loneliness as a prodigy that surpasses everyone else his age, the death of Wormmon and him coming to understand his actions, etc. The Digimon Kaiser is like the front that he puts on to deal with his negative feelings.Miyako isn't big on trauma, but she has character growth with Iori involving their naivitee in not finishing off Digimon.Iori has the stuff with his dad dying when he was young. In spite of seeming fairly mature and well-rounded for being the youngest, he's also immature enough to see everything as black and white and has to deal with shades of grey and moral complexity in his episodes. He learns to not see in absolutes and comes to understand redemption for characters like Ken and Oikawa.>>23830240I think Sora's background with her father was already figured out even then, though obviously it wasn't brought up in deference to pacing. If Kakudou only wrote Sora's mother as being involved in her story, he probably had an idea of where her father was. A lot of background information that first appears in 02 was written for Adventure but not used.
>>23830245If I remember right, Sora's father was mentioned in Adventure's novelization where it's casually brought up that he took his wife's last name because of the family's flower arrangement school.
>>23830230>Mimi's trauma stems from the events of Adventure itself and all the loss of Digimon life that she learns to not avoid.While true, I like to understand this by saying Mimi's trauma is she has never experienced trauma. Her life was perfect before the events of Adventure.>>23830240>That would explain how Miyako was able to travel to and attend three different countries' universities in the span of 2 years to "study" "computers."They really should have played that angle up more given how much she idolised Mim in the latter's 02 debut. Instead the show forgot it.
>>23830264There are specific episodes which I could tell had better storyboarding and direction than normal, and that was one of them. It's not as obvious as episode 21 of Adventure with Hosoda or the Konaka episode of 02, but I remember just the way that first Mimi episode of 02 begins with the way the plane is framed at the start and Daisuke waking up in his room. Plus moments like that throughout the episode. There's another episode around the time of early BlackWarGreymon that's similar in feeling.
>>23830270It's weird that Kakudo storyboarded and directed Konaka's episode and it's pretty much an outlier of his work. Konaka's script must have had a lot of direction notes.
>>23830270It's always felt like Digimon's staff - whatever the project - have always really liked Mimi.
>>23830290I forget, was she in Kizuna?
>>23830302Yes. It was Sora who was written out. There was the Memorial Short that was the only real inclusion of Sora in the Kizuna timeline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtnwIuJy5BY
>>23830306Oh yeah, Sora broods in a dark room, contemplating suicide or being a fashion designer while the boys go out.
>>23830230matt has the issue of him and TK living with seperate divorced parentsJoe is overworked by his parentsizzy's flaw is autism i guesstaichi's is being a hothead but it does not stem from any major social issues at home or in his real life.I don't think the 02 characters qualify for this question and thats part of why they arent as good of characters. Trauma may not be the right word but im unsure how to paraphrase it
>>23830290>>23830302>>23830306I like the idea that Mimi isn't this "committed to a single future path" kind of character, that she's having fun doing different careers. When you look at her flighty close-knit family living in their lovey-dovey house and being relatively odd, it's fitting. She's not some rich ojou-sama, she's sheltered and naive for completely different reasons, and it makes her a bit harder to pin to a specific character archetype (Adventure: making her rich be damned). And she also fits in with the normal crowd of girls too.>>23830311Sora is shown in a few scenes but doesn't take an active role. She doesn't appear for the final battle because she's already lost Piyomon by that point (which is supposed to be a shock for the audience), and her memorial story was posted before Kizuna came out so the audience was supposed to make the connection that she was in a similar situation to Taichi and Yamato with being lost with how to proceed in their lives, denying a fundamental part of themselves.At any rate, the Kizuna scene with Sora in the room at night near the sliding glass door while the battle is occurring in Neverland is a reference to the first movie where she was watching Greymon fight Parrotmon and hearing Taichi blow Hikari's whistle.
>>23830322I think what you're trying to say is that the 02 characters don't clearly have deep-rooted histories that define their character motivations. One moment I really love in Adventure is in episode 2 when they reach the beach with all the ringing payphones. Apart from the amazing and mysterious imagery that gets the imagination racing about what would happen if you answered these phones, and just what kind of person would install them here, it does a great job of characterizing Taichi and Yamato. The former wants to adventure onwards in search of people, he's enjoying himself and thinks that taking action will get results sooner. Yamato thinks they should remain in place and wait for a phone to ring or try to get into contact with help using one. Both are valid options, create a degree of tension between the characters, and emphasize what kind of characters they are. Shellmon appears and destroys the payphones which solves the debate without it amounting to real drama, but the scene accomplished so much.And we see what drives each character, what makes them angry or hide away. 02's cast has shades of that with Ken and Iori, but the characters tend to live much more in the moment or for the future rather than being stuck in the past. I really love how in the first movie, Taichi is the character who looks at Koromon with suspicion as he's now in school, he's on the path to becoming an adult, and it's Hikari who accepts the Digimon without reservations. But as the movie progresses, Hikari begins to see the danger of Koromon and develops a degree of fear, while Taichi moves past his reservations and simply wants Koromon to win the fight, even if the monster's allegiance may not be clear. I think there's shades of that initial setting in 02, where Adventure's older cast is more rooted in the real world and the younger 02 cast are able to live with Digimon without reservations. The younger generation accepts the fantastic premise more.
>>23830330>is a reference to the first movieToo bad they didn't reference the Tri movie that showcased her adamantium spine.
>>23830348>>23830345i always felt like the existence of the parrotmon movie explains Taichi's recklessness and affinity for the digital world. The beach episode is definitly one that sticks in my mind as well
>>23830357Well, he was just a child. The movie also shows Hikari's greater affinity for the other world. She would've been a spirit medium in a pre-digital era, talking to Kemonogami shadows.
>>23830330>I like the idea that Mimi isn't this "committed to a single future path" kind of character, that she's having fun doing different careers. When you look at her flighty close-knit family living in their lovey-dovey house and being relatively odd, it's fitting."Tachikawa does what Tachikawa wants/thinks" is what I've always believed with them. They're selfish and blunt, but not for any nasty reasons. It's because they're genuinely so pure of heart. Mimi telling Palmon she's not cute, Satoe yelling that she wants out when Vamdemon captures everyone, Keisuke driving through a police barricade in 02 to "save" their daughter: they do what they want and nobody convinces them otherwise. Even that brief scene in OWG where their mailbox is full of newspapers says to me they were so wrapped up in going to Hawaii they didn't tell anyone they were going.>She's not some rich ojou-sama, she's sheltered and naive for completely different reasons, and it makes her a bit harder to pin to a specific character archetypeI've always thought she has SOME ojou elements but not the full-on stereotype we got in Colon. She likes to be pampered, she's well-mannered, but she's not a snob. When she gives Palmon her hat to protect her partner from the Digital World sun, that's when you know there's depth to Mimi. Sora realises this too.>And she also fits in with the normal crowd of girls too.Like when they return from the Digital World and Mimi's sat there with her friends on the bus talking. Is it any surprise she made friends so quickly in NYC?>Adventure: making her rich be damnedI have wondered why Colon went down that drastically different route with her. Don't get me wrong, she was still great and very obviously the staff favourite. But she goes from the most realistic cast member in '99 to the most unrealistic cast member in '20. It is quite jarring comparing the two. Especially given she was the only who got a new family member in her grandfather.
>>23830404My impression of Adventure: is that it knew what it was referencing, and it knew that it didn't want to rewalk the same character beats, though it didn't want to act like that they didn't exist. Even if Yamato didn't say his parents split up, you would be able to tell it's a fractured family by them having different last names. You would still see that he's a lone wolf who deeply cares about his little brother. You would see that Koushirou wasn't used to having friends, but that he and Taichi would develop a bond right from the beginning because they're buddies in the original continuity. Most parents wouldn't be shown because it's not about familial drama or baggage, and the character drama and less positive traits would be de-emphasized, outside of some early tension between Taichi and Yamato. It was about introducing the image of these characters to a new generation in a series that referenced all things Digimon. In that way, it's more of a celebration of Digimon as a whole while using characters that resemble the first anime's cast. It's not a sequel, a remake, or even a reboot in my eyes, but simply a collective hive of references forming a series, like how the Etemon that appears in an episode has the same voice actor as the original, but isn't that Etemon. It is Digimon before it is Adventure.Is Ryo in Tamers the very same Ryo from the WonderSwan games? Apart from the continuity clusterfuck that would be (which those games already are to Adventure and 02), I think it's also just a reference. Was Ryo watching OWG in a field on a laptop? Was he watching it with Ken on his computer at his house? Or is Tamers Ryo just a reference and at the very most, the Tamers universe has its own movie version of OWG that he watched like any other Digimon fan? Even Adventure Taichi is a completely different character to V-Tamer Taichi, they just share a basis, like Adventure: Taichi.
>>23830459>Is Ryo in Tamers the very same Ryo from the WonderSwan games?If you ask Konaka, no. If you ask Seki, yes.
>>23830496It just doesn't make sense.>Anode/Cathode Tamer takes place on December 31st, 1999, nearly 5 months after the events of Adventure. It (Anode Tamer specifically since Cathode Tamer came out after) was released shortly before that day in real life while the anime was still airing and was only just beginning the Dark Masters arc. The game acts like a sequel to the anime and Taichi and Ryo are in the same school, and the story starts with Ryo talking with school friends over the computer about the rumors of what really happened back in August, with them talking about "that Taichi kid and his crazy claims about Digimon". Ryo gets pulled into the Digital World by Agumon who is looking for help, and all the previous enemies have been resurrected by Millenniumon and Ryo must save Taichi and all the Digimon. Omegamon and Diablomon also appear in the game as event Digimon despite not being revealed officially for another 3 months.It's fine here, it's a sequel, 02 didn't exist yet, and even when it started airing, it didn't contradict anything.>Our War Game comes out, Ryo makes a cameoStill fine>Tag Tamers comes out, takes place in March 2000 shortly after OWG, contradicts elements of it by having Ryo watch it with Ken at his house>02, which had started acknowledging OWG around episode 14, also references Tag Tamers and Ryo and Ken's battle against Millenniumon twice, though practically nothing is said about said adventure other than Ken winding up with the Dark Seed in his neck after Millenniumon was defeated. Taichi was also involved in this and Ryo had a V-mon>D-1 Tamers takes place shortly after Tag Tamers and features Taichi, Yamato, Koushirou, Mimi, and even Wallace>Brave Tamer is filled with time traveling and features every main Chosen Child/Tamer from the first three anime>Supposedly Tamers (April 2001- March 2002) is after this and Ryo has a dad and is a Digimon card game champion, but at least he's the correct age 14?
Tamers is also really coy with what it references. Digimon is a multimedia franchise, it's established in the sense it's established as such in our world, they play the real life card game and there's even a presence in China with its own exclusive stuff. Takato designs Guilmon as a Digimon "more powerful than Agumon", Agumon is being used as a frame of reference like it's a mascot, and there's even an Agumon figure in his room to back this up. The term Tamer is used instead of Chosen Child because that's the general term used by Digimon outside of the anime, but Takato puts on goggles because that would make him legit, so it feels like it's referencing V-Tamer plus the existing anime.So shouldn't Ryo be a game character that all these Digimon fans know about? Instead he's just a real guy who's really good at the card game that nobody questions as being fictional, and he became a Tamer on his own just because without any origin story.And don't even get me started on Xros Wars or the PSP game, or all of V-Tamer's crossovers.
>>23830533>It just doesn't make sense.Welcome to Digimon.
>>23830533ryo in colon 02 would be based
>>23830579I'll only accept it if it's an older Ryo with a big bushy beard.
>>23830579>colon 02Didn't the 02 movie completely flop?
>>23830595It did, rather spectacularly too.And so did Colon, despite restoring Brazil in the BD.
>>23830579V-Tamer Taichi meets Daisuke from the 02 anime and Daisuke is confused because it's a different Taichi who's the same age as him instead of 3 years older, but V-Tamer Taichi says he's born in 1988 to Daisuke's 1991 so he has seniority.V-Tamer Taichi also meets Takuya from the Frontier anime, and he also meets Ryo (though no mention is made of the Tamers anime).V-Tamer Taichi also meets Adventure: TaichiTaichi (Adventure), Daisuke (02), Takato (Tamers), Takuya (Frontier), Masaru (Savers), Taiki (Xros Wars), and Tagiru (Young Hunters) all meet in both the Adventure PSP game and in Young Hunters.At this point, the only anime continuities unconnected to others are Applimon, Ghost Game, and Beatbreak, and even Applimon has Chika Sakamoto Agumon.
>>23825018I loved Starman. The episode made my eyes tear up and I wanted to cheer him on too. Was Petermon supposed to be a tomboy crossdressing as a guy?
>>23830245>Miyako isn't big on trauma, but she has character growth with Iori involving their naivitee in not finishing off Digimon.I wouldn't call it "trauma" so much as a complex, but her initial abrasive personality is informed by her being a middle child and feeling overlooked, so she has trouble expressing herself in a consistent healthy way.Ironically it's not really dwelt on much, but it is there.
>>23831204I thought Miyako was the youngest.
>>23831217She was. She even had her own room so she could eat her convenience store snacks in private.
>>23831217>>23831773Yeah, sorry. Had a brain fart there.
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