What was a better way to end her story? It feels like even though she was given ample characterization, franchise legacy meaning, and aspirations they ended up just leveraging her for some cheap feels. I was sad but like, surely there was a better way to go about this with some consequences beyond her own fate?
It ended fine. She didn't get to spend the rest of her life with her adoptive father, but that's the way it goes as a soldier, you put your life on the line in the belief that your mission is worth the sacrifice. She did get peace in the end, and as a Newtype ghost she isn't fully dead anyways, we've seen those linger for decades after they shed their physical form.At the least, her fate was better than Loni's, who was enslaved to her parents' grudge against the Federation, murdered hundreds of innocent civilians in the process, and had to be put down like a rabid stray. Marida's cause was just, the harm she inflicted on innocents was minimal, she got to say her goodbyes to the people she loved, and even her death helped to bring Riddhe back around and realize how far he had fallen.
>>23805630>whats a better way to end her story?The Jegan pilot manages to land the saber hit on her cockpit
Getting married to Banagher
>>23805655At least he is, in some way, avenged in the actual show
>>23805630She becomes (like) a mother (to me).
beam magnum is always the answerthe cleansing holy hellfire to purify all ne'er-do-wellsbe not sad because you craved her sinful mortal flesh, be glad that her soul is now palest white, newtype ghost bleached in holy light of the magnum
She kills Riddhe and the Banshee Norn's psycho frame gets fitted into the Kshatriya Repaired somehow. She and Banagher beat the shit out of Full Frontal and then the two of them settle down and make enough half-Purus to make Glemy jealous.
Becomes a pop idol
>>23805630She was necessary to redeem Riddhe
>>23805630A character dying tragically in Gundam is fine, the problem is more nobody else in Unicorn is even remotely interesting so once she's dead you have to slog through an entire hour with the remaining losers.
>>23805630She got a better end than the OG Puru.
>>23805630Her ending was perfect.Reminder if you hate Riddhe afterwards you are spitting on her death and are also admitting the Federation should be destroyed.
>>23809452Shitthe didn't deserve redemption.
>>23809457>he thinks the Federation shouldn't be destroyed
>>23805630When you look at her do you think of her as Marida who is a Puru or as a Puru called Marida?
>>23809462>>23809452>>23809350She will live on forever as a newtype ghost inside his head, that's more than any other puru gets unironically
>>23809452Based RiddheCHAD
>>23805630Unironically Riddhe should have died so Marida could live. The only reason Riddhe lives is because Fukui wanted a second Unicorn-type pilot for the final arc, and inherently can't see a woman as main character material. One of them was a spoiled, psychotic brat who saw everyone else in the world as a tool in his own narrative, and the other was someone who spent her whole life as a tool, and couldn't see the people around her loved her as more than that.If we're talking pure themes, Riddhe 100% needs to die for the sake of someone else for his story to have meaning, and Marida needs the shock of someone willing to lay down their life for her to see the value of her own self.Doing it the other way around just cements Riddhe's insane savior complex - Fukui just wrote around it as knocking some sense into him because it was the only way to get the plot from Point A to Point B like he needed it to.
Riddhe should have had a Newtype awakening when he killed Loni, instead of having that weird love-triangle with Mineva that causes his newtype awakening.
>>23809731Riddhe's 100% a dead man in Unicorn 2
>>23805630Best girl in all UCGundam writers are faggots for killing female pilots to farm sympathy The do it every fucking time it's so predictable and annoying
>>23809731I find your proposal agreeable.
>>23809731Tell me you don't understand anything about the story without telling me you don't understand anything about the story.
>>23810511you don't understand anything about the story
>>23810511refute his argument pussy, nobody would care if Riddhe died
>>23809679I think of her as Marida, the best Puru.
>>23805655Gigabased. No I won't let it go
Option 1: don't kill her, there's no reason she couldn't just survive the whole conflict. have her be there at the end as one of the people who brings banagher backOption 2: don't make her death a blatant fridging done entirely to give an unsympathetic antagonist his epiphany moment to flip allegiance
>>23805630I was mad about how dirty they did Emma in Zeta but I understood that having her around would've made ZZ a very different show, and it's a massacre of named characters anyway so it doesn't stand out.Marida is so much worse. She's the only good fucking character in that entire mess and an interesting revisiting of one of ZZ's more questionable choices, and dies in an insanely contrived moment that's meant to provide character development for a character I already disliked who now I just hate instead.Having a character I dislike kill a character I like but then feel bad about it will not generally make me suddenly like the character I dislike. It will just make me mad when you try to make it all about how bad he felt about killing her like he's the victim here.
>In the novel riddhe goes berserk instead and is about to shoot the nahel argama with the beam magnum but marida tanks it, making him come to his sensesIs this even any better?
>>23809707Apparently clones are anatomically incorrect.
>>23811588A forc- newtype ghost is the shape of their soul, not their body.
>>23805630Anything besides how it ended. >b-but she HAD to die to redeem Riddhe!Bullshit. Riddhe was about to snap out of it just seconds before killing her. Her death accomplished nothing that wasn't already about to happen and only didn't so she could die.
>>23809389Womb's gone. But then again if she's already a clone just grow a new one and stick it in. >>23809707Puru herself is in Judau's head, why do you think he took her death so well and immediately gained confidence Leina was alive? Duh. Puru's ghost told him. >>23809707Riddhe doesn't get to see them. He's being punished.
>>23813458Ideon: Be Invoked indicated otherwise.
>>23813581Fukui is one of those writers that's so egregious about it that even 4chan users have to just go "Yeah no he's a misogynist." The only explanation is that he can't see women as actors in a narrative, just as the motivation for the men.
>>23805630Riddhe uses his money to fix her womb and sticks a baby in her and her Puru offspring take over the federation.
>>23817598How much money does it cost to fix evaporation?
>>23817724We are talking about alternate endings.
>>23817555>he can't see women as actors in a narrativeIt's unbelievable this is even worse in Narrative (heh). He doesn't even have Tomino's excuse of >that was just how things were at the timeUnironically I think Mineva will have to die in UC2
>>23817555>he can't see women as actors in a narrative, just as the motivation for the men.That's true in real life.
>>23817598>sticks a baby in hercringe.jpg
>>23809707Do they fuck?
>>23817526The IDE ejaculated them into a new universe
>>23817755>Unironically I think Mineva will have to die in UC2There are some lines you don't cross, you son of a bitch.
>>23821222Nice digits, but no matter how much she says or does otherwise, her very life is a symbol of Zeon. The only way for Zeon to stop existing is for any trace of the Deikuns or the Zabis to be wiped out entirely. Sayla has to face the music too.
>>23821222>>23821658Ideally she fakes her death so she and Banana can go live in the refurbished Texas colony.
>>23817555Except Mineva is an actual actor while Banana is entirely reactiveDoesn't make him not a misogynist ofc
>>23819359More Purus makes the world a better place, it is a known fact. The Puru race must purusevere at all costs
>>23822140They are great soldiers.
>>23809731Good analysis.>>23810511I would like to hear a refutation or different analysis.
>>23809731But then she'd have to end up with someone.
>>23810511>posting like a passive aggressive twigger fag
>>23820610Sounds like some Hindu-esque cosmogony..
All Purus got totally undeserved shitty endings, must be a Sunrise running joke or something
I think Marida's death sours on Unicorn viewers is because Riddhe is just so uninteresting as a character and said character murdered her. Beside pissing and shitting his pants for almost the entire finale arc, his character is a hollow shell, no wits, no depth, no quirks. Fukui thought giving this boring asshole an asspull revelation that he was a psychic superhuman all along was compelling enough to justify his role as the secondary hero of the story and made Marida's death felt less random.
>>23813581Riddhe ultimately contributing nothing because Unicorn solo Neo Zeong while Banshee got owned like a bitch.
>>23817555>The only explanation is that he can't see women as actors in a narrative, just as the motivation for the men.American critics usually call this kind of writing as Woman in the Fridge, basically the writer kills the female character to develop the male character instead of writing anything else to develop said male character. And the sad thing is that this is ultimately a redundant sacrifice because the male character doesn't automatically becoming interesting just because some girl died and got chopped up into pieces, you can set up whatever the revenge or trauma storyline after that, it is not gonna convince the audience to change their mind about the character because it is not a real character development. A charisma vacuum is forever a charisma vacuum unless you rewrite the character from scratch.
>>23834160I think it's important to note that part of what makes it a true fridging is the focus on how bad this makes the man feel. Her death being a tragedy for him taking precednce over the fact that she's the one who died.It's obviously a subjective thing but Marida's fate is a pretty hard to dispute example. Despite the fact we just saw him blow away a character we liked, we're meant to focus entirely on what a sad boy it makes him and then cheer five minutes later when he's 'fixed' by it. Her death doesn't really seem to stick with anyone else either, which at this point is just par for the course with Purus.
>>23834173It could somewhat work if Marida was someone important to him then her death would be more convincing as a trauma and redemption. But who were both of them? Two strangers who barely knew each other and Marida was not the first blood Ridhe shed either. The scene was such an asspul and ultimately amount to nothing because Banagher saved the day again.
>>23834195If he was about to do something unhinged like take a shot that'd blow up a civilian transport or blow a colony apart or some shit and she jumped in the way, and the shock of someone being willing to do that was what pulled him back I think it could've worked better. A big reason the scene is so weird is because it's totally unmotivated. There is no function to her death, beyond to him.
>>23834200Even if that actually happened in the anime, it wouldn't be that convincing as a redemption arc. If you are willing to kill A and B got the bullet instead, it would still be an atrocity commited by your own malice. Most of Riddhe's characteristics are not that interesting or relatable either, if you cut this guy off the story completely, it would be improved even.
>>23834215I agree, I'm just suggesting ways you could improve it by changing the scene rather than the entire work.
>>23809452>Riddhe's newtype awakening is because of Mineva Riddhe's entire newtype awakening, and redemption should have been when he killed Loni. In addition to discovering how corrupt the Earth Federation. What was the entire point of Riddhe having a newtype infatuation with Mineva?.
>>23834259Honestly? Japanese a kinda bad at writer love stories that aren't cutesy slice of life romances. Modern Japanese writers largely don't know how to write tragedy or real romance. Especially anime writers. That goes double for gundam writers. Even worse is these anime writers create female characters, but are often afraid to portray them as crazy or having any true negative personalities. Ang negative personality trait they do have is often portrayed as "quirky" or "weird but still loveable". They treat female characters like "dolls" to be cherished and hugged. Basically...these writers create their own waifus.Not Tomino though. He will create a hot female character, but kill her later on. Or give her severe personality defects that are dangerous. Or just make her crazy, and betray her allies.
>>23834259>What was the entire point of Riddhe having a newtype infatuation with Mineva?Riddhe thought he was the main character. In his head he was going to save the day, rescue the princess, and get the girl. All his life and his privileged background just reinforced this idea for him. Honestly I think if Haman were still alive she would probably approve of Riddhe over Banagher for Mineva.
>>23834281There should ber variety to waifu characters. If you have a bunch of edgelords with a pussy then their novelty would be lost. As for Tomino, that's not true. The love interest in G-Reco, Turn A, ZZ, etc are not schizos. In fact, proper schizoid as the main female love interst doesn't exist in his works.
>>23834321I don't know what you mean by "proper schizoid" but I would consider Lalah to be a mentally unstable main love interest across multiple timelines.
>>23834303Riddhe thought he was the main character. In his head he was going to save the day, rescue the princess, and get the girl. All his life and his privileged background just reinforced this idea for him. Honestly I think if Haman were still alive she would probably approve of Riddhe over Banagher for Mineva.Riddhe is 24 years old. Mineva was 14 years old. Wtf
>>23834321>G-Reco, Not UC>Turn ANot UC>ZZThere was like 4 different waifus. And the show was a failure according to Tomino.Please keep discussions to MSG, Zeta, and CCA. Tomino considers these 3 anime his trilogy.
>>23834327That characteristic is for Gqux fanfiction only. Jeetlah is the quiet kid of the class, except the quiet kid doesn't shoot people in the next day.
>>23834335Fuck off.
>>23834335Still directed by Tomino, isn't that your point? He never let the "main waifu" to be schizo, villains and one-off casualty only.
>>23834337She haunts Amuro for like 14 years. That's...that's not normal.
>>23834339>He never let the "main waifu" to be schizo, villains and one-off casualty only.No the point is that Tomino wasn't afraid to make the women be crazy or kill them. In modern Gundam, the main female characters are often treated with kid gloves by the writers. Especially Loni. You know she's way different compared to the novel version right? The anime white washed her to make her more sympathetic to the audience.
>>23834343>Another Naruto and Sasuke comparisonThis is such a weird comparison. Amuro wasn't some bright and spunky kid. His true personality is that he's a recluse that prefers to stay home and tinker with stuff. He's also a bit of a slob. Char is outwardly is charismatic. He plays the charismatic and cool pilot. He's not some quiet person.
>>23834353I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I have never even watched Naruto before. The picture is a joke that her handmaids in GQuuuuuuX look like her potential kids with either of them.
>>23834348>No the point is that Tomino wasn't afraid to make the women be crazy or kill them.Brother in christ, literally every author who write action genre make crazy bitches and kill female characters. Women in refrigerator is a common trope. Tomino's limped dick seems to be that attractive to you to sit on it.
Adult Judau shows up in a colony-sized battleship, wrecks Riddhe's fugly gundam, and saves Marida. She can't join him though, because Roux would murder her out of jealosy
>>23834348>The anime white washed her to make her more sympathetic to the audience.Oh wow isn't this the same fucking thing with how Hathaway novel whitewashed Quess to make you feel bad for her. Guess who the author is.
>>23834385I feel bad for Quess in CCA. Char is constantly grooming and using young Newtype girls.
>>23834388She went to his side by her own will. Her death was also an accident because Hathaway's Jegan got in the way of Azieru's movement, causing her demise. What a dumb bitch.
>>23805630not dead and her killer free to just double team zeons princess. that shit probably pmo to a next level.
>>23834692Mineva loves being double teamed ever since she learned about it at a young age.
>>23834367Not modern Gundam writers. They soften their approach to female characters and treat them like dolls. For example, Tomino literally took a beam saber and burned one alive in his anime. I'm not saying they should always be that graphic, but if the show is about war I would prefer to incorporate some realism. War is not a game
>>23834699>For example, Tomino literally took a beam saber and burned one alive in his anime.Literally all of his dead female/crazy female characters are villains, villain's chick and one-off fridge women. This is barely unique, anon. If anything we need to see less of these dying NPCs in anime.
>>23834993NTA but hey, fuck you.
>The surviving love interest is a basicbitch who behaves like a trad wifeWake me up when Tomino allows crazy nasty bitch to be the love interest and she actually survived.
>>23835004Why would the good hearted righteous main character fall in love (and end up) with the crazy psychotic evil bitch? It doesn't ever make sense in a narrative unless she ends up "tamed" and then all you larping evil woman larpers are gonna say "it d-doesn't count!!" Fuck off with your fetish, they're good for a wank but in a proper story they should all end up dead
>>23835252What about Char and Lalah and Char and Nanai? What happens when a normal woman ends up with a crazy psychotic dude? What then?
>>23834281>Not Tomino though. He will create a hot female character, but kill her later on. Or give her severe personality defects that are dangerous. Or just make her crazy, and betray her allies.What Tomino does very well, I find, is that he writes irrational characters believably. He doesn't give dramatic pathos to the crazy, pointless, emotional things his characters do, they just DO them because that's the kind of people they are, and it's the consequences of those things boiling over that causes the tension and drama rather than the actions themselves.It's not a perfect way of writing, and he has plenty of his own flaws, but in that aspect he nails a "realistic" aspect of writing humans that very few other people accomplish.
Do you think Marida let Banana practice with her so he can do it properly with Minerva?I bet they spent a lot of time practicing how to kiss and hold hands while Banana kept praising Marida and telling her he loves her.Then they practice Banana's groping technique until can make Marida cum just from teasing her nipples!It was crazy how happy Marida looked creaming her panties and panting like crazy while Banana checked Marida's situation down there to be sure he did it properly. The cabin was so damp and steamy that they couldn't get the smell of Marida's aerosolized juices for days!!!
Do you think Char let Mineva practice with him so she can do it properly with Banagher?
>>23835268>He doesn't give dramatic pathos to the crazy, pointless, emotional things his characters doPretty sure when Judau went supersaiyan and defeated Haman with The Power Of Friendship, that was a pathos.
>>23809707I don't get why everyone was getting weirdly fixated on her near the end. Even Alberto was kind of obsessed with her, and she's a literal former whore with no uterus.
>>23833152I honestly don't really get Riddhe's 'thing'. Why did they not have a better pilot for the Banshee? It's like no-one really cared what was up with that billion-dollar, priceless Mobile Suit.
>>23837294He was already involved with the incident, knew about the Box, and was 100% on board with covering everything up and burying the incident before the heel-face turn. No better person for the job. For his troubles, the Feds promote him and keep him under surveillance because surprise surprise, awakening as a newtype able to activate NT-D and fight the Unicorn 1v1 on equal ground paints a very clear target on your back
>>23837291She saved Alberto when the ship depressurized and he paid her back by stuffing her in the Banshee which got her killed so it's natural he'd be torn over it. Riddhe is a weirder case because they've never even properly interacted.>she goes psycho in the Banshee and rips the ReZel to pieces>he gets in the Banshee and shoots her in a frenzy, which brings him to his senses all of a suddenHonestly >>23820607 is right, they should have fucked and it'd at least make some sense in a freudian psychosexual sort of way
>>23837291>I don't get why everyone was getting weirdly fixated on her near the end. Even Alberto was kind of obsessed with her, and she's a literal former whore with no uterus.The writer wanted some sort of "dramatic payoff", but didn't do the necessary storytelling to justify it. This is a sign of an inferior writer.Here's another way to put it:>They are acting like Unicorn is a 50 episode anime. And Marida is a character we've been with since episode 1, and she died in the final episode in an emotional fareway. Except Unicorn is only 7 episodes long.
>>23837471Unicorn has an issue with deaths in general such as Loni and others not feeling impactful. I still really liked Marida as a character, and I feel the reactions to her death from Banagher and Zinnerman worked. Your comment about 50 episodes or needing more time feels appropriate to various story points from Unicorn. I wonder if the novel handled some plot points better due to more time investment.
>>23837523Not that anon. The novel is more edgy (like sex, drugs, rape, and involving radicalized Muslim pilots). But the main plot is still generally the same. Although the anime version of the Zeon attack on Torrington is very messy and doesn't follow the novel. The novel version of the Torrington attack is much better and clearer. Bandai pretty much white washed and heavily sanitized the anime version of the story. Banagher in the anime feels too clean and weird. He's supposed to have more edgy teen vibe to him like in the novel. Smoking, drugs, etc. Banagher and his friends in the anime...are total dorks.
>>23837528Is Angelo legit a male prostitute?
>>23834335>>wrong>>ZZ>the show was a failure according to Tomino.So were Zeta and CCA>MSG, Zeta, and CCA. Tomino considers these 3 anime his trilogy.stop pulling things out of your ass.
>>23837541I've read dozens of Tomino interviews and commentary from him over the years. There's a clear pattern involving his works. >Mobile Suit Gundam 0079He views the anime as a perfect enclosed story with a beginning, middle, and end. Tomino slightly prefers the movie versions since they have better animation, a bigger budget, fix mistakes in the anime, and have him more creative freedom. >Zeta GundamHe's said a lot over the years. But a critical point is that Tomino felt it was difficult to create a sequel story to MSG. He felt MSG was a perfect standalone story. So in order to make Zeta Gundam good, Tomino decided on a radical approach. He would flip everything backwards. The Federation would be evil, previous "villain characters" from MSG would be good, Amuro would pilot a Zeon style mobile suit, and the Gundam would NOT be the strongest mobile suit. >ZZ Tomino has been very dismissive about the series after it finished airing. In recent decades he shared how he viewed the series as a misstep as a mistake. He wanted to make a comedy anime because Zeta was too dark and depressing. (Tomino was also feeling depressed during this time). But Tominodidn't expect such a heavy backlash from the Japanese fans. People were sending in hate mail to the studio. ZZ production was also plagued by rewrites and last minute changes - especially with CCA entering production. Tomino has gone on record saying he has absolutely no desire to ever revisit ZZ Gundam or any ZZ Gundam characters again. >CCANot much to be said. Tomino is extremely proud of CCA. It's his crown jewel (not counting Turn A Gundam). He loves the movie and has extensively talked about everything in the film. He loves CCA and considers it the true end of UC Gundam. Anything made afterwards by other people is simply borrowing the Gundam name.
>>23834281Ryosuke Takahashi conceived good romances in his mecha anime. And while not /m/, Odin Sphere has good romances.
>>23837563tomino says one thing on monday and another on saturday, you can find his various interviews to be contradictory to each other.also, tomino does not like CCA. he was forced by sunrise to drop beltorchika and make chan and he found the pacing to be rushed. when he watched the film in recent years, he disliked the sheer number of MS battles one after the other.>Anything made afterwards by other people is simply borrowing the Gundam name.tomino said this about turn a.
>>23837528The drugs thing sounds edgy but it is such a tragedy for how rare smoker protagonist are in anime and manga.
>>23837643I love the old official art of Char smoking. It is sexy as hell.
>>23837643Unlike the 1980s, I think modern Japanese anime and manga companies are discouraging smoking characters. They don't want Japanese children to copy it. In addition, they know anime is gloabally popular now. It will be shown in other countries, and some countries don't like cartoon characters smoking. Especially America which banned any kids cartoon characters from smoking in the 1990s.
>>23837645yeah.
>>23837726He gives off that Don Draper energy.
>>23837725Kinda ironic how Cowboy Bebop of all anime blew up in the US, knowing what the protagonist's habit is.
>>23837643They don't allow minors to smoke on tv. I don't know when this got outright forbidden, but for example, Jojo part 3 tv had to cover Jotaro in shadows in a shot where he was supposed to be smoking. And since most anime protagonists are minors, it's basically erased.
>>23805630>they ended up just leveraging her for some cheap feelsit's crazy, this sort of thing would never happen in the Gundam franchise!
>>23837814The big difference here is, Marida is very popular, so there is a good chunk of fandom that actually cares. On the other hand, nobody did ever give a shit about Rosamia, and with a good reason. Tomino did better of course, but Rosamia is really one of his biggest
>>23837867*blunders
>>23837867That pic is adorable. Imagine drunk Haman flirting with Riddhe all night. He would be like ma'am this is your daughter's birthday party at a Dave & Buster's, but sure we can meet up in the handicap bathroom stall I'm down.
>>23817598I'm not going to lie, some weird part of me ships those two for reasons I don't entirely understand myself
>>23837872>© SOTSU • SUNRISEBruh.
>>23835004>scolds kamille for skipping class but joins him in skipping anyway >sticks wity him when he picks a fight with special forces officers>joins a terrorist/ freedom fighter breakaway group immediately after mom and dad die, mostly because she thinks it's the right thing to do and wants to help the whole crew, not just her childhood friend>ends up half decent, killing 5-6 elite fed pilots despite being ragged on for lacking experience and getting a death trap of a mobile suit and juggling taking care of two brats Quattro brought along for some reason >ends the series fighting back to back with the red cometFa was a real one
>Gets two guys to go heads over heels for her.And they say Mineva was raised right, whose fault was it, Char or Haman?
IF SHE'S A ZEEK SHE'S A THOT
>>23837814Rosamia served her purpose though. She represents Kamille's sanity slipping out and makes him rethink his newtype attraction for Four. Her death makes Kamille conclude that newtypes are meant to end up killing each other which also fucks with Char's worldview.
>>23835257>lalah>normalEven ignoring gquux and sticking strictly with the mainline stuff she haunts the fuck out of people. Bitch was just one inch away from pulling a nice zam on char or amuro before she got got. Fair point on nanai.
>>23834343>Char and Amuro reincarnated >Lalah is like a mother to themChar knew all along.
>>23838497Are they attending a funeral or something?
>>23805630Unicorn was a massive letdown desu. I can't think of another series that improves dramatically when you edit out every scene with the MC in, but somehow Unicorn managed to make Banagi a major detractor from the shows watchability.Marida was the only interesting pilot out of all the characters, and deserved to actually survive or at least have a good death. Instead the second most unlikeable character killed her in a tard rage, a death that ultimately served nothing and was completely pointless as, as other anons have said, he would have come around anyway.>"but oooh anon, she gets to be le heckin Newtype ghost now"In the mind of the cunt that killed her, and with no reason why she would be in his psyk as they had basically no connection outside of having fought once, and both knowing the same whiney hypocritical baby, banagi.Marida should have lived, Riddhe should have shot banagi then killed himself, at least then the ending might have been better.
>>23837893Riddhe is a bratty kid with mommy and daddy issues, Marida is a sexy onee-san with issues. It's literally a "oneechan {with some mental issue} next door is flirting with me" setup.
>>23840380Banaji is an inoffensive hero, which is someone you can accept to exist. Riddhe is insufferable all around and doesn't deserve redemption. It have similar feeling with Micchi from KR Gaim, like, who the fuck cares about this whiny brat and why does he have so many screentime when his relevance to the story is literally negative.
>>23840781Unironically, Marida's death could have been a good scene if she was Riddhe's girlfriend or something. Atleast there is an emotional attatchment between the two and the guy getting some serious trauma over killing his beloved would be a sensible character development.
>>23841004Just a heads up your English is awful and you need to practice more with verbs and tense.
>>23805655>>23805672>>23810773>MUH GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONT!Let it go.
>>23841022Turned out, Io is indeed a good guy.
>>23811051Uh... considerably??
>>23841022
>>23841010Just a heads up you are a nigger faggot.
>>23841008>inb4 UC2 has Riddhe find Puru 13 years old
>>23838497Whose funeral are they attending?
>>23833152>>23834195Her dying didn't make him have an attack of conscience or realize he was a newtype "all along". He literally got brain-blasted by it - the Banshee, being absolutely coated in psychoframe, forcibly made him a newtype, he basically got stuck in a psychic microwave oven that forced empathy upon him, flipped the fuck out, and then Marida shoved her ghostly hand into his broken spoiled child mind and un-fucked his head, partially.Psycoframe is a dangerous thing. Newtype abilities can be a curse, too. Now keep in mind I'm not defending Riddhe as a character or the poor reasoning for him even being there, just giving a better explanation for that scene. The Banshee basically ripped his metaphorical skull open, and killing Marida let her do some newtype brain surgery / mind meld shit to make him less of an asshole.
>>23847465Even if you are correct, none of this was conveyed well (if at all) in the anime. The anime was just a jumbled mess of random things happening without the character development or writing to support it.
>>23847465>The Banshee basically ripped his metaphorical skull open, and killing Marida let her do some newtype brain surgery / mind meld shit to make him less of an asshole.Really though that's just why it's so bad, that even to (as devil's advocate) defend it, you have to explain "Yeah we had to kill off the character the reader is actually invested in to trigger an unearned Deus Ex Machine on a character that is justifiably hated by the reader.
>>23847465If that really is the intended explanation then holy fuck that's the worst possible way they could've gone about any of this. Cursed newtype mobile suits going beyond the Psycho Gundam's vague influence over pilots was a mistake.
>>23847685You're not wrong, it was shown poorly. This is a common problem with adaptations, and Hathaway is even worse with it.>>23847733>>23847810It's a show where they have a narrative that people seem to think is just "newtype space friendship magic solves everything", where they have missed the messaging for the last several series. Newtype powers often come with heavy psychological consequences, it's even shown at the start of the series that the Unicorn made Banagher, a complete novice, way more aggressive and bloodthirsty at first than he was as a person - and he was already a developing newtype. You can see on a rewatch the context clues showing Riddhe is going crazy inside the Banshee. I can't say it's the intended explanation for sure since I don't have any word-of-god, but there's been a ton of moments in Zeta and ZZ, and even CCA that demonstrated that newtype powers don't actually make you a well adjusted person that solves problems. Scirocco literally uses his to manipulate people, Kamille basically does witchcraft and so does Scirocco at the end of Zeta. Haman and Judau have negative effects on eachother too. Riddhe isn't a natural newtype, and basically every cyber newtype or forced newtype awakening (four, rosamia, puru two) in the series is severely fucked up. Riddhe is basically experiencing a psychically driven schizo breakdown, hearing voices and shit.
>>23847992>Riddhe is basically experiencing a psychically driven schizo breakdown, hearing voices and shit.No one is disputing that. The trouble with Riddhe is he was an unlikable scumbag before he ever got into the Banshee, is an extremely privileged character with a complex whom you feel no sympathy for, and doesn't work as a Cyber Newtype allegory when his "salvation" comes at the expense of an ACTUAL Cyber Newtype who had it a thousand times worse than he ever did.It's literally Fukui going>Sure Marida was a test tube baby bred for war that's suffered through exploitation, rape, and psychological torment her whole life>But Riddhe found out he's not the main character! Isn't that so much more dreadful??That's why no one gives a fuck about him.
>>23809457>also admitting the Federation should be destroyed>admittingBrother, I preach it
>>23848293Yeah I think he's a cunt too, I'm just saying there's more to it than "suddenly redeemed". He's still not really a decent person, but he does get fundamentally changed by being awakened into a newtype - kind of like Banana does. Take early Banager going berserk when NT-D activates, put him in front of the shamblo and Loni would have been dispersed particles in seconds. It was killing that old man when he was going for full frontal that started him changing, as well. They mangled the scene with Riddhe in the adaptation, but it was supposed to be a parallel. I'm not saying riddhe isn't a whiny spoiled cuck or that him killing Marida was cool, I'm just saying there was more depth to that than people are talking about. Especially considering NT-D isn't just a psychic booster, in the early parts of unicorn it's mentioned to "use the pilot as a processing unit, to convert psycowaves into hostility". It's like the Zero system. It's an underutilized aspect of the Unicorn in the narrative and in it's other appearances in SRW and dynasty warriors, in my opinion.
>>23848389>I'm just saying there was more depth to that than people are talking about.I understand you said that anon, but I think you're ignoring my response: the depth Fukui wanted to put there is ALSO a failure. It's just not a good story decision, at any level; even the "deeper" aspects he wanted it to reflect are worthless because he has to not just ignore, but kill the character anyone with eyes reading can tell is who those beats should have been happening with, to try and make them stick for Riddhe - and he still fails.
>>23847992What do you mean Hathaway is even worse with it? I just watched the first movie and was considering just reading the novel instead of waiting for the sequels.
>>23841022>thinks io was the good guydear zeek. CRIPPLE LOST HARDCRIPPLELOSTHARD
>>23848978>LostDaryl won every single mobile battle against Io. Daryl is like Madara from Naruto. The author made him so powerful that he had trouble coming up with a way for him to lose.
>>23849065Author was secretly an IO fagreddit's was devastated when the 'poor crippled' zeek is actually an unlikable mary sue with terrible motivations. daryl getting a horrible ending is just cherry on the top.
>>23805630this is the exact way a ple's life should endbased riddhe
>>23849104Daryl couldn't be beaten in combat by Io. The author was tired of writing and just wanted the story to end. So he just had all of Daryl's friends comrades kill themselves and die in some weird newtype suicide. Then killed the rest with the colony laser So Daryl didn't want to fight anymore and gave up. It's a rather sh1tty end to the manga if you ask me. The author just ran out of ideas.
>>23849133hand injury aside. Thats how the story was gonna wrap up anyways. Also no daryl's still fighting due to karla. Besides near the final fight daryl has io dead on his rights with a zaku and he keeps fucking missing even in the last shoot out. No wonder zeek fags are upset their gary stu got the cuck ending while Io got a rare happy ending.
>>23847465You don't need to die to have a Newtype moment.
>>23849211>Thats how the story was gonna wrap up anyways. The author made a big deal about not wanting to follow previous canon and storylines. He wanted freedom to do his own thing. So while the Monk faction was a bit weird, we thought the monks might lead to something bigger and unique. The author kept saying he wanted freedom.Also please remember that monks are not Zeon. In the Thunderbolt universe, Neo Zeon is their own faction. They fled off to Axis after the war and didn't make an appearance yet.
unicorn sucks
>>23849104Is that robocop?
>>23837867Marida looks like she's about to ralph on Riddhe.
>>23809731>someone who spent her whole life as a tool, and couldn't see the people around her loved her as more than that.
