What was a better way to end her story? It feels like even though she was given ample characterization, franchise legacy meaning, and aspirations they ended up just leveraging her for some cheap feels. I was sad but like, surely there was a better way to go about this with some consequences beyond her own fate?
It ended fine. She didn't get to spend the rest of her life with her adoptive father, but that's the way it goes as a soldier, you put your life on the line in the belief that your mission is worth the sacrifice. She did get peace in the end, and as a Newtype ghost she isn't fully dead anyways, we've seen those linger for decades after they shed their physical form.At the least, her fate was better than Loni's, who was enslaved to her parents' grudge against the Federation, murdered hundreds of innocent civilians in the process, and had to be put down like a rabid stray. Marida's cause was just, the harm she inflicted on innocents was minimal, she got to say her goodbyes to the people she loved, and even her death helped to bring Riddhe back around and realize how far he had fallen.
>>23805630>whats a better way to end her story?The Jegan pilot manages to land the saber hit on her cockpit
Getting married to Banagher
>>23805655At least he is, in some way, avenged in the actual show
>>23805630She becomes (like) a mother (to me).
beam magnum is always the answerthe cleansing holy hellfire to purify all ne'er-do-wellsbe not sad because you craved her sinful mortal flesh, be glad that her soul is now palest white, newtype ghost bleached in holy light of the magnum
She kills Riddhe and the Banshee Norn's psycho frame gets fitted into the Kshatriya Repaired somehow. She and Banagher beat the shit out of Full Frontal and then the two of them settle down and make enough half-Purus to make Glemy jealous.
Becomes a pop idol
>>23805630She was necessary to redeem Riddhe
>>23805630A character dying tragically in Gundam is fine, the problem is more nobody else in Unicorn is even remotely interesting so once she's dead you have to slog through an entire hour with the remaining losers.
>>23805630She got a better end than the OG Puru.
>>23805630Her ending was perfect.Reminder if you hate Riddhe afterwards you are spitting on her death and are also admitting the Federation should be destroyed.
>>23809452Shitthe didn't deserve redemption.
>>23809457>he thinks the Federation shouldn't be destroyed
>>23805630When you look at her do you think of her as Marida who is a Puru or as a Puru called Marida?
>>23809462>>23809452>>23809350She will live on forever as a newtype ghost inside his head, that's more than any other puru gets unironically
>>23809452Based RiddheCHAD
>>23805630Unironically Riddhe should have died so Marida could live. The only reason Riddhe lives is because Fukui wanted a second Unicorn-type pilot for the final arc, and inherently can't see a woman as main character material. One of them was a spoiled, psychotic brat who saw everyone else in the world as a tool in his own narrative, and the other was someone who spent her whole life as a tool, and couldn't see the people around her loved her as more than that.If we're talking pure themes, Riddhe 100% needs to die for the sake of someone else for his story to have meaning, and Marida needs the shock of someone willing to lay down their life for her to see the value of her own self.Doing it the other way around just cements Riddhe's insane savior complex - Fukui just wrote around it as knocking some sense into him because it was the only way to get the plot from Point A to Point B like he needed it to.
Riddhe should have had a Newtype awakening when he killed Loni, instead of having that weird love-triangle with Mineva that causes his newtype awakening.
>>23809731Riddhe's 100% a dead man in Unicorn 2
>>23805630Best girl in all UCGundam writers are faggots for killing female pilots to farm sympathy The do it every fucking time it's so predictable and annoying
>>23809731I find your proposal agreeable.
>>23809731Tell me you don't understand anything about the story without telling me you don't understand anything about the story.
>>23810511you don't understand anything about the story
>>23810511refute his argument pussy, nobody would care if Riddhe died
>>23809679I think of her as Marida, the best Puru.
>>23805655Gigabased. No I won't let it go
Option 1: don't kill her, there's no reason she couldn't just survive the whole conflict. have her be there at the end as one of the people who brings banagher backOption 2: don't make her death a blatant fridging done entirely to give an unsympathetic antagonist his epiphany moment to flip allegiance
>>23805630I was mad about how dirty they did Emma in Zeta but I understood that having her around would've made ZZ a very different show, and it's a massacre of named characters anyway so it doesn't stand out.Marida is so much worse. She's the only good fucking character in that entire mess and an interesting revisiting of one of ZZ's more questionable choices, and dies in an insanely contrived moment that's meant to provide character development for a character I already disliked who now I just hate instead.Having a character I dislike kill a character I like but then feel bad about it will not generally make me suddenly like the character I dislike. It will just make me mad when you try to make it all about how bad he felt about killing her like he's the victim here.
>In the novel riddhe goes berserk instead and is about to shoot the nahel argama with the beam magnum but marida tanks it, making him come to his sensesIs this even any better?
>>23809707Apparently clones are anatomically incorrect.
>>23811588A forc- newtype ghost is the shape of their soul, not their body.
>>23805630Anything besides how it ended. >b-but she HAD to die to redeem Riddhe!Bullshit. Riddhe was about to snap out of it just seconds before killing her. Her death accomplished nothing that wasn't already about to happen and only didn't so she could die.
>>23809389Womb's gone. But then again if she's already a clone just grow a new one and stick it in. >>23809707Puru herself is in Judau's head, why do you think he took her death so well and immediately gained confidence Leina was alive? Duh. Puru's ghost told him. >>23809707Riddhe doesn't get to see them. He's being punished.
>>23813458Ideon: Be Invoked indicated otherwise.
>>23813581Fukui is one of those writers that's so egregious about it that even 4chan users have to just go "Yeah no he's a misogynist." The only explanation is that he can't see women as actors in a narrative, just as the motivation for the men.
>>23805630Riddhe uses his money to fix her womb and sticks a baby in her and her Puru offspring take over the federation.
>>23817598How much money does it cost to fix evaporation?
>>23817724We are talking about alternate endings.
>>23817555>he can't see women as actors in a narrativeIt's unbelievable this is even worse in Narrative (heh). He doesn't even have Tomino's excuse of >that was just how things were at the timeUnironically I think Mineva will have to die in UC2
>>23817555>he can't see women as actors in a narrative, just as the motivation for the men.That's true in real life.
>>23817598>sticks a baby in hercringe.jpg
>>23809707Do they fuck?
>>23817526The IDE ejaculated them into a new universe
>>23817755>Unironically I think Mineva will have to die in UC2There are some lines you don't cross, you son of a bitch.
>>23821222Nice digits, but no matter how much she says or does otherwise, her very life is a symbol of Zeon. The only way for Zeon to stop existing is for any trace of the Deikuns or the Zabis to be wiped out entirely. Sayla has to face the music too.
>>23821222>>23821658Ideally she fakes her death so she and Banana can go live in the refurbished Texas colony.
>>23817555Except Mineva is an actual actor while Banana is entirely reactiveDoesn't make him not a misogynist ofc
>>23819359More Purus makes the world a better place, it is a known fact. The Puru race must purusevere at all costs
>>23822140They are great soldiers.
>>23809731Good analysis.>>23810511I would like to hear a refutation or different analysis.
>>23809731But then she'd have to end up with someone.
>>23810511>posting like a passive aggressive twigger fag
>>23820610Sounds like some Hindu-esque cosmogony..
All Purus got totally undeserved shitty endings, must be a Sunrise running joke or something
I think Marida's death sours on Unicorn viewers is because Riddhe is just so uninteresting as a character and said character murdered her. Beside pissing and shitting his pants for almost the entire finale arc, his character is a hollow shell, no wits, no depth, no quirks. Fukui thought giving this boring asshole an asspull revelation that he was a psychic superhuman all along was compelling enough to justify his role as the secondary hero of the story and made Marida's death felt less random.
>>23813581Riddhe ultimately contributing nothing because Unicorn solo Neo Zeong while Banshee got owned like a bitch.
>>23817555>The only explanation is that he can't see women as actors in a narrative, just as the motivation for the men.American critics usually call this kind of writing as Woman in the Fridge, basically the writer kills the female character to develop the male character instead of writing anything else to develop said male character. And the sad thing is that this is ultimately a redundant sacrifice because the male character doesn't automatically becoming interesting just because some girl died and got chopped up into pieces, you can set up whatever the revenge or trauma storyline after that, it is not gonna convince the audience to change their mind about the character because it is not a real character development. A charisma vacuum is forever a charisma vacuum unless you rewrite the character from scratch.
>>23834160I think it's important to note that part of what makes it a true fridging is the focus on how bad this makes the man feel. Her death being a tragedy for him taking precednce over the fact that she's the one who died.It's obviously a subjective thing but Marida's fate is a pretty hard to dispute example. Despite the fact we just saw him blow away a character we liked, we're meant to focus entirely on what a sad boy it makes him and then cheer five minutes later when he's 'fixed' by it. Her death doesn't really seem to stick with anyone else either, which at this point is just par for the course with Purus.
>>23834173It could somewhat work if Marida was someone important to him then her death would be more convincing as a trauma and redemption. But who were both of them? Two strangers who barely knew each other and Marida was not the first blood Ridhe shed either. The scene was such an asspul and ultimately amount to nothing because Banagher saved the day again.
>>23834195If he was about to do something unhinged like take a shot that'd blow up a civilian transport or blow a colony apart or some shit and she jumped in the way, and the shock of someone being willing to do that was what pulled him back I think it could've worked better. A big reason the scene is so weird is because it's totally unmotivated. There is no function to her death, beyond to him.
>>23834200Even if that actually happened in the anime, it wouldn't be that convincing as a redemption arc. If you are willing to kill A and B got the bullet instead, it would still be an atrocity commited by your own malice. Most of Riddhe's characteristics are not that interesting or relatable either, if you cut this guy off the story completely, it would be improved even.
>>23834215I agree, I'm just suggesting ways you could improve it by changing the scene rather than the entire work.
>>23809452>Riddhe's newtype awakening is because of Mineva Riddhe's entire newtype awakening, and redemption should have been when he killed Loni. In addition to discovering how corrupt the Earth Federation. What was the entire point of Riddhe having a newtype infatuation with Mineva?.
>>23834259Honestly? Japanese a kinda bad at writer love stories that aren't cutesy slice of life romances. Modern Japanese writers largely don't know how to write tragedy or real romance. Especially anime writers. That goes double for gundam writers. Even worse is these anime writers create female characters, but are often afraid to portray them as crazy or having any true negative personalities. Ang negative personality trait they do have is often portrayed as "quirky" or "weird but still loveable". They treat female characters like "dolls" to be cherished and hugged. Basically...these writers create their own waifus.Not Tomino though. He will create a hot female character, but kill her later on. Or give her severe personality defects that are dangerous. Or just make her crazy, and betray her allies.
>>23834259>What was the entire point of Riddhe having a newtype infatuation with Mineva?Riddhe thought he was the main character. In his head he was going to save the day, rescue the princess, and get the girl. All his life and his privileged background just reinforced this idea for him. Honestly I think if Haman were still alive she would probably approve of Riddhe over Banagher for Mineva.
>>23834281There should ber variety to waifu characters. If you have a bunch of edgelords with a pussy then their novelty would be lost. As for Tomino, that's not true. The love interest in G-Reco, Turn A, ZZ, etc are not schizos. In fact, proper schizoid as the main female love interst doesn't exist in his works.
>>23834321I don't know what you mean by "proper schizoid" but I would consider Lalah to be a mentally unstable main love interest across multiple timelines.
>>23834303Riddhe thought he was the main character. In his head he was going to save the day, rescue the princess, and get the girl. All his life and his privileged background just reinforced this idea for him. Honestly I think if Haman were still alive she would probably approve of Riddhe over Banagher for Mineva.Riddhe is 24 years old. Mineva was 14 years old. Wtf
>>23834321>G-Reco, Not UC>Turn ANot UC>ZZThere was like 4 different waifus. And the show was a failure according to Tomino.Please keep discussions to MSG, Zeta, and CCA. Tomino considers these 3 anime his trilogy.
>>23834327That characteristic is for Gqux fanfiction only. Jeetlah is the quiet kid of the class, except the quiet kid doesn't shoot people in the next day.
>>23834335Fuck off.
>>23834335Still directed by Tomino, isn't that your point? He never let the "main waifu" to be schizo, villains and one-off casualty only.
>>23834337She haunts Amuro for like 14 years. That's...that's not normal.
>>23834339>He never let the "main waifu" to be schizo, villains and one-off casualty only.No the point is that Tomino wasn't afraid to make the women be crazy or kill them. In modern Gundam, the main female characters are often treated with kid gloves by the writers. Especially Loni. You know she's way different compared to the novel version right? The anime white washed her to make her more sympathetic to the audience.
>>23834343>Another Naruto and Sasuke comparisonThis is such a weird comparison. Amuro wasn't some bright and spunky kid. His true personality is that he's a recluse that prefers to stay home and tinker with stuff. He's also a bit of a slob. Char is outwardly is charismatic. He plays the charismatic and cool pilot. He's not some quiet person.
>>23834353I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. I have never even watched Naruto before. The picture is a joke that her handmaids in GQuuuuuuX look like her potential kids with either of them.
>>23834348>No the point is that Tomino wasn't afraid to make the women be crazy or kill them.Brother in christ, literally every author who write action genre make crazy bitches and kill female characters. Women in refrigerator is a common trope. Tomino's limped dick seems to be that attractive to you to sit on it.
Adult Judau shows up in a colony-sized battleship, wrecks Riddhe's fugly gundam, and saves Marida. She can't join him though, because Roux would murder her out of jealosy
>>23834348>The anime white washed her to make her more sympathetic to the audience.Oh wow isn't this the same fucking thing with how Hathaway novel whitewashed Quess to make you feel bad for her. Guess who the author is.
>>23834385I feel bad for Quess in CCA. Char is constantly grooming and using young Newtype girls.
>>23834388She went to his side by her own will. Her death was also an accident because Hathaway's Jegan got in the way of Azieru's movement, causing her demise. What a dumb bitch.
