Easter may be over, but we still love our bunnies.>New stuff>Muv-Luv Girl's Garden (new gacha on DMM, think Muv-Luv meets Blue Archive, currently JP-only)https://muvluv-girls-garden.comhttps://x.com/Muvluv_GG>Kiminozo Enhanced Edition R (JP-Only)>Remember when kouki said avex wouldn't let him do ero?https://www.antiq-games.com/kiminozo-eer>Muv-Luv Tactics>Backer Build (JP-Only) to release soon as of this posthttps://camp-fire.jp/projects/794591/view#menuhttps://www.fuzz.co.jp/app/muvtac/>Archivesmuv-luv.naruhodo.workers.dev/0:/https://mega.nz/folder/fIhTUKSA#nTRrKtXDoekouDG03HJQIw>Magazinehttps://e-hentai.org/g/2542863/65080fd76a/https://e-hentai.org/g/2542867/5fbeea10c3/https://e-hentai.org/g/2735417/07efcfe577/https://e-hentai.org/g/3018137/075492061c/>Muv-Luv Alternative Manga1-16:https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/20911206/#q2093826317:https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/21869980/#q21894915>Strike Frontiers assetshttps://mega.nz/folder/9ddhFITD#6BVWt6BLlMsEqi2fICgTfw>Kiminozo on steamhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1777440/Kimi_ga_Nozomu_Eien_Enhanced_Edition/>Teito Moyu on Steamhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2630300Dimensions EOShttps://x.com/Muvluv_DMS/status/1870016295539822814>Kiminozo uncensored patchhttps://kiminozo.life/Previous thread>>23757037
Stupid sexy Raptors
I also love bunnygirls.
>>23808411He COULD have said it's not his decision and that it was always out of his handsHe COULD have just shut his stupid mouthBut he CHOSE to attack old fans and say that the old fans are the problem and why the IP is stagnating and dying, no it has nothing to do with him refusing to release a sequel for 20 years>>23808990Almost all of them are still active and the ones that aren't later showed that they'd just come back for shitty phone games and collabs or new releases in old series and that just getting them to come back for this was never of the tableDon't give them more credit than is due. It was never anything more than a shitty low effort attempt at pushing new no-name VAs, and kouki was being a disingenuous cunt about it
>>23809969Your hatred of Kouki is becoming pathological. Please seek new substance to your life.
Wish I had the time to play the porno games with the robots. Muramasa too.
>>23810126You have all the time in the world, you have to merely choose how to use it
>>23810012NTA but he is very Hateable desuhaven't checked his YT in forever but I assume he's still doing weekly 5h long podcasts about random bullshit
>>23809969yes im sure he was maliciously pushing new VAs excellent insight
Someone on /v/ posted this and I'm amazed by how cool BETA TSFs look
>>23811355Got that in a res that renders the text actually legible?
>>23812764No, because>Someone on /v/ posted this
>>23812764This is the best I can do, it's the highest definition scan that exists. Beyond this, you'd need to buy a fresh copy of Exogularity and scan it in a higher resolution.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2042415814121312332
>>23813648Muv Luv: Big Titty Soldier eroge part troies
>>23814440>not posting linkhttps://x.com/Moddeang123/status/2042362721019289719
>>23814440What meme is this?>>23814590You didn't post it either; all you did is link it.
>>23814590I thought I did but it was pretty late when I posted
fuck it *yasifies your muv luv*
>>23815954Who is hotter the shogun or mitsu? Great trope, that.
>>23815954Nice thumbnail.
>>23817737Wow, where did you get this picture of the faces girls make when I try talking to them?
>>23817747You can get all those images right in the file system.
>>23818070
>>23817737Why is everyone looking at Takeru like he's walking garbage?
>>23818383They're just being briefed on their next mission, saying "Yes, ma'am!." but not all have "determined look" sprite so some just look like they were about to kill takeru lmao (hayase has my favorite)
Man, Owarinaki really does have a bleak ending.
>>23818427Looks pretty desolate
>>23818427multiverse jesus saved the day so they'll be alright
Are the total eclipse lns available anywhere in epub format?
Any more story updates about Girl's Garden?
>>23822334I'd much rather they give us back Strike Frontier.
>>23822334>no uploads in a long ass while on the usual websiteis there some secret archive with the scenes....fuck i want the chizuru one so much
>>23822334No story updates.
I believe in America.
>>23825439Hibiki's never see President TACO in action.
>>23826167
But... this is Meiya's VA?!
>>23827787Well done. You'd be surprised how many smooth-brains read the entirety of TDA and never catch that the Shogun isn't actually the real Yuuhi.
So why didn't they do Day After with Takeru as protag?
>>23824513>ignoreddead internet theory
>>23824820Thanks. Honestly, I do fear where the story will go if we get new updates considering the plot twist that Girls Garden is set in a timeline where the BETA won...
>>23827816So it is true what I thought the whole time? Meiya Is the real Shogun in alternative, while her sister is weaker in battle instincts and was made the Shogun after all?
>>23817737>"Damn bro you got the whole squad laughing"
>>23828243???
>>23821944Same question, i cant even found where to buy online, isnt even on bookwalker or Ebookjapan.
>>23828682Everything in spoilered pic save for Point #5.
>>23829394wrong reply?
>>23829409My apologies. I thought >>23828682 replied to >>23828156.
Strange irony: I vaguely remember in Unlimited there is that part where Meiya and Takeru are tasked with rescuing/removing people from their home and I think Meiya refuses to do so and here she kind of does the opposite. Wonder if this was intentional.
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>>23809969As someone who owns every JP copy of the game, backed the kickstarter to daki tier, owns multiple model kits and figures. I absolutely despise the way the entire franchise has gone, I refused to watch the anime over the voice changes but I don't feel like you can really blame Kouki himself for being anything other than being a corpo mouthpiece and a sellout for a long time, much like Maro for MtG he's just a lapdog at this point and isn't going to publicly shit on the people who own him unless it's something they say he's allowed to complain about to try and market something.It's pretty clear the whole franchise has been a total mess for over a decade at this point, there's no heart or soul in anything. age for all purposes doesn't exist anymore since ixtl/avex and the IP just gets whored out because suits think that alone is popular enough. Remember when we used to get april fools jokes, birthday illustrations? Changing VAs is very uncommon nowadays but used to be common practice, VA companies wanting to push new talent might support the anime production, Avex themselves are a entertainment conglomerate it's all just connections and money not about making a good product that the fans want anymore.It's far best to just enjoy what we got, maybe new merch or art and give up expecting anything new with any passion in. That said the entire VN industry is dead or dying. It's not fair to say the old fans are the problem but bigger budget VNs themselves are too niche (eroge even more so when they can't be sold on consoles/phones) to support the modern profit suits demand or even production costs. So many big companies have died, even companies like Alicesoft had most of the old talent leave because business types inside just wanted gacha, KEY are making gacha. Everything GIGA did with Baldrhead after Sky was awful but they're dead. Nitroplus barely hanging on. Muv Luv only "survived" by being consumed in the way it was.
If I want to read Total Eclipse is the Steam version best? Any fanpatch or translation fixes I should be aware of?
>>23829525There may be no future for Muv Luv, but we're in a new golden age for translations of the pre-existing VNs. Those Russians, shit on them for the war as much as you want, they're the ones keeping the flame alive through their work on hacking open RUGP and allowing the first new translation projects since AltPro got brought up, consumed and spat out by Avex. They translated Kaseki no Uta last year, went in and fixed KimiNozo and recently publicly announced we're getting Akane Maniax later this year. And I heard KimiIta's on their list as well.The Muv Luv fan base never ceases to amaze me. No matter how much despair, they refuse to give in. aNCHOR might mismanage themselves into a billion yen hole, but the fans will keep the flame of life alive.
>>23829505it's nowhere close to being the opposite, in one of these the properties are being bought for several times the market price and sending people on an all expenses paid vacation, in the other they're being asked to forcefully evict people without compensation in a country that's already been half destroyed and struggling, with the possibility of intense political backlash
>>23829525O wise man of much fandomsWas there any point in the past when a different path taken could've saved the franchise, or was it always doomed?
>>23829797I mean in both cases people are being moved out of their homes. Yeah, it's not the exact opposite, in one case it's probably voluntary with compensation, in the other it's not. But how ethical is it really? Did the children in the families have any say in this? Would they have prefered to stay in their homes, despite their parents' willingness to move out in exchange for money/vacations? Who knows lol. It's still ironic that Meiya makes people relocate from their homes while being so opposed to the notion later on, even if the circumstances are quite different.
>>23829525>I absolutely despise the way the entire franchise has goneI thought something similar yesterday but more in the sense of being disappointed. I may be a minority in this but I ultimately only liked Muv-Luv and Alternative. None of the spin-offs, (pseudo-)sequels or extra stories did much for me, I couldn't even really get into TDA, though it wasn't bad at all. Haven't read Schwarzesmarken, maybe that could still change my mind, but overall I have the impression that much potential has been squandered 20 years after MLA.
>>23829533That's actually pretty nice to hear! I knew about KimoNozo getting fixed up but I hadn't heard any news about the rest.>>23829905Probably not because it's pretty much the entire VN industry, maybe if VNs in general had been much quicker to bring things to the global market, translate titles, done a better TL job and got them on Steam but even then who knows. SenrenBanka probably outsold entire other VN companies ranges alone with how well it did with the Chinese market on Steam, outside of that though the major successes are just meme stuff that got picked up like Nekopara or DDLC. Extra->Unlimited has a great twist but I just think longer VNs themselves are too niche for a wider audience.If age had gone the anime route a lot earlier and it had been done well and a huge success I think that could have helped a lot in just generating awareness, look at Steins;Gate but even then it's not like the SciADV stuff did particularly well outside of that so who knows. The kickstarter did great but was handled like shit and at that point it was more of a dying beg.KEY have gacha but Heaven Burns Red feels like it has love put into it with Maeda writing and composing for it at least, all the attempts at branching out ML into anything else have just been massive failures and bad products with bad writing. It's the same with a lot of other VN companies who tried, they're just suit cashgrabs thinking they be the next FGO instead of a passionate product or story someone wanted to make.age themselves just had so many problems though, total eclipse was a mess, the game had the tracing scandal and the whole rushed end. The anime blew all the budget in the first few episodes. Schwarzesmarken was just a mess, no clue why they even bothered with an anime with how it was TE at least served as an expensive buy the VN to see the rest advert. Despite how much I love the Muv Luv universe it was probably treated as too much of a cashcow instead of making something new.
>>23829964I think the problem is that Unlimited/Alt works so well because of Extra and the emotional aspect, even if not you the reader it's a core part of all the character development. When you remove that twist you have a well developed grimdark mecha franchise but it's hard to say that mecha itself hasn't been on a decline the past decades. I enjoyed TE and TDA for what they were but that's because I like mecha and the setting itself. They're not good standalone works and are just fandiscs for ultra fans.KimiNozo is worth checking out at least because it has some engaging drama and character development but obviously no mechs. At least we got Baldr Sky and Muramasa finally translated for that though.
>>23829914ok retard
>>23829914>But how ethical is it really? Did the children in the families have any say in this? Would they have prefered to stay in their homes, despite their parents' willingness to move out in exchange for money/vacations?First, free market baby. Just blame the adults. Also, Meiya relocating is more about her imposed destiny in her new environment rather than the friends she left behind. Takeru literally only spent one afternoon with her lmao.Second, a kid moving somewhere else in the lap of luxury with his dear family is not the same as an old person being forced to leave their homeland. I mean an old person who grew up there and raised a family, knowing damn well they will never return. Obviously, Takeru's flashback and the story of the lady on the mountain are meant to be a parallel. But that doesn't really apply to Meiya and Takeru's kid neighbors. For starters, you are just assuming information.Lastly, the whole thing is just a freaking joke lmao. It is completely absurd that she has enough money to make everyone around Takeru's house relocate, and it is even more absurd that they cleared the land that fast
>>23830075also the houses went back up overnight when she left
>>23830091Maybe Meiya really was just a dream...
>>23829905not him but Kouki has explained that the only reason Avex was interested in buying the franchise was because the Kickstarter made a million bucks and generated a ton of news articles all over the world.Basically, everyone that backed the kickstarter including me doomed the franchise through good intentions. They were already in financial trouble back then, but I honestly believe that without the kickstarter they would have just continued to shit out low budget products for many more years. Even if they had went bankrupt they probably wouldn't have sold the IP because it wasn't worth shit, and could have always returned to it later.
>>23830075I'll respond when I've reread that part in Unlimited, still going through Extra. These are good points but I still think it might be contradictory because Meiya basically argued on the basis of the sanctity of one's home and being deeply rooted in the land and place that one inhabits and has been brought up in. I'd just view this as a contrast between the Extra Meiya who is more inclined to view things in terms of financial transcations and economic exchange, and the Meiya who is closer to imperial values of the Shogun and has also witnessed the destruction of the global economy.
>>23829512How Diogenes.
>>23830091>>23830097Thinking back on that moment, as absurd as it was for this anime princess to whisk away all people near Takeru to be his direct neighbor, the instance that she disappears and everything went back to 'normal' was heartbreaking.Meiya being that grandiose existence that was humanized to the point that when she left, despite putting everything back as it was, it actually left a bigger hole than could be realized.
>>23830232Meiya didn't argue about the sanctity of the house per se. She talked about the wishes of the people. The lady on the mountain didn't want to leave her home because of a legitimate emotional reason, which was tied directly to her home. The focus is on their desires and freedom, and the contrast between what we do as citizens and what the nation gives us in return> I'd just view this as a contrast between the Extra Meiya who is more inclined to view things in terms of financial transcations and economic exchange, and the Meiya who is closer to imperial values of the Shogun and has also witnessed the destruction of the global economy.I mean, you could maybe make a point about it using other examples. But I don't think it is a serious issue here. Yeah, she wanted to buy Takeru with gifts, but she didn't force him or anyone else. She didn't even want to remind him of their past together. In the end, Meiya respects what a person truly believes. She wants people to live freely and follow their desires, as long as they are fair. She basically projects her own desire for freedom onto others.
>>23830316She didn't really want to buy Takeru she presupposed that Takeru was hers and she wanted to show her devotion and love and she did that through generosity, partially due to a slightly warped worldview. Which, as to your later point, is reflected in not coercing him into anything and how much she cared about him remembering, and is seen in the finale with how hesitant she is about dragging him into her life.
>>23830218Most likely age would have shit out a few more fandisc short stuff and then have shutdown if not for it, minori, Light, sprite, GIGA so many big eroge companies closed.Muv Luv's main strength was also it's world building rather than it's scenario writing, both it and KimiNozo heavily relied on the twists but utsuge very much fell out of fashion in the 2010s in favor of moege. Scenario writing in general was a huge problem with after Alternative even before selling the IP.In the end VNs themselves just cost too much for how niche they ultimately are. Programmers, writers, illustrators, producers, seiyuu, composers. If a VN bombs it really hurts the company because you're releasing an entire story at once unlike an LN or mobage where you can adjust to reader feedback.These production cost figures from a 2013 interview always felt like made up bullshit but the sales figures are pretty accurate:>minori producter nbkz noted that it takes about 30 million yen (about US$300,000) to make a title of a certain level of quality. However, the budgets of minori's own Supipara and ef titles exceeded 100 million yen (US$1 million). He explained this is mainly due to CG costs, particularly due to users' higher screen resolutions and PC specs. His company releases only one game per year.>Sakai said that in the last decade, a super hit sold 100,000 copies, a big hit sold 30,000, and a regular hit sold 20,000. However, a game would be a hit now with only 10,000 copies — with Japan having a population of 100 million over the age of 18, that means only 0.01% are buying these games. To explain the declining sales, Sakai said that this is the age where entertainment has diversified with YouTube, Niconico, social games, and multiple game systems such as the PlayStation 3, PSP, and Nintendo 3DS. Eroge also have too many problems due to R18 content not allowing them anywhere, even Steam regularly stops a lot of VNs from releasing despite allowing porn games
>>23830218I don't think I'd agree. I think absent the Kickstarter they'd have gone under by about 2018/19 or so. What the kickstarter did was given them an extra decade to continue making the same mistakes that got them into that hold.It's very clear that the financial situation was desperate after Total Eclipse failed to be an Alternative-level success. I've really come to loathe TE, because it more than anything ensured that the 'franchise' would fail to get off the ground. âge's strength was good writing. It's what made KimiNozo and the Muv Luv Trilogy smash successes. Sure, the sprite work was impressive, but the storytelling is what really allowed them to catch on. Total Eclipse threw all that out the window. The storytelling in TE is awful, the characters are undercooked (Argus have barely any character at all next to Squad 207 from the trilogy) and the romance betrays a very real issue with all the post-Alternative stories, which is the protagonist passively sitting there whole being orbited by a harem's worth of woman, right up until the plot needs him to choose someone. Yuuya and Cryska, Hibiki and Yuzuka, Theodor gets it worse because there is no romance between him and Irisdina at all in her so-called route. Without good storytelling and compelling and relatable characters, all we have is the Mecha and the aliens, and they alone couldn't carry the franchise as >>23829986 correctly observes.The money lost on TE shows as everything post it is slowly whittled down in quality until we get something like War Ensemble, with big blocks of text on static PNGs because they can't afford to make sprites and actually animate the story as a proper VN.1/2
>>23831084 2/2What I think is interesting is how the completely squandered the second chance the Kickstarter gave them. They had that Avex money, and what did they do with it? Mikhail, a game that was broken, buggy, and required knowledge of an untranslated VN in order to understand the story. Reading Kaseki after it came out last year actually made bits of Mikhail make sense, who Isphana and Astana were, what the Mikhail system even was. But the game was awful.And of course we have to talk about the unmitigated disaster that was Immortals/Dimensions. Nothing screams incompetence more than giving a complete nobody money and the IP to try and fail to make the third shitty Gacha. Muv Luv's obsession with making its own Fate Grand/Order ties in with what everyone else has said about the decline of the VN industry as a whole, but the fact they've now tried it five times goes beyond any kind of sanity or sense.They had their second chance, and it ended with aNCHOR a billion yen in the red, and nothing to show for it. Honestly, the fact they were given another shot and not only missed, but shot themselves in the dick multiple times, seems to be proof that the Muv Luv IP is either cursed, or just never made to sustain a franchise on its own.If Resonative and Integrate were just going to be more of the same, then I'm honestly glad they'll never see the light of day. What I heard of Resonative didn't fill me with hope, with Kouki straight-up contemptuous of Luxin's story and characters and planning to take it over and have his characters take the spotlight. If that's the attitude he has, he deserves the outcome he earned through his mismanagement.
>>23831084I hate TE because there's so many parts and aspects about it I really like but it's just so underwhelming.To me the characters have solid bases but just don't get any real development or really anything, the conspiracy stuff and tension between the nations had the potential to be really great but ended up just feeling like a mess, the test pilots doing test pilot things has a nice Unlimited like vibe but doesn't do anything with it and then the climax just felt like hot garbage.The romance being so underwhelming is made even worse by the fact there's no routes, why even bother with harem baiting if that's the case. I can only imagine it was meant to have routes but the tracing situation fucked things up and delaying it more would have crippled the expected momentum they hoped for from having the anime end where it did but who knows, if that really was the case then you would think they would have made a complete edition a few years later but I guess they didn't want to sink any more into it. It's character designs honestly feel wasted on a non-eroge too...Also sucks that we only ever got Remastered for the TL which for whatever reason is uglier than the original with the awful UI, font and textboxes
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>>23831199People should see her in her own VN.
>>23831207she's in it for 5% of the game
>>23831207
>>23831926More like 10%, but she's not in it very long. But man, she makes one hell of an impression.
>>23831199>>23831207Looks like something out of Majikoi.
the worst part about not getting resonative is not getting the hawaii beach episode
>>23833837That implies there was ever going to be one. They were moving away from that kind of material even before.
>>23833843TE had one and SM had one, or as close as you can get in Germany in the middle of winter
>>23833909>SM had oneI didn't realize the Eastern Bloc allowed its subjects to take vacations outside the Eastern Bloc.
>>23835348Indoor pool.
>>23835370That's not a Hawaii beach.
>>23835348>>23835370>>23835398They actually did go to the beach later on towards the end of the first vn
>>23835506i don't think fortified suits count as bikinis
>>23835506Still wasn't Hawaii.
>>23836100It's not a proper Hawaian vacation anyway unless Sumika says ALOHA OEEE
>>23836104you wouldn't be getting that in resonative regardless
>>23837297In what?
>>23838399There wouldn't be a beach episode in Reso because all the beaches are gone. They're salt flat hells where going out in a bikini would just get your lungs wrecked by salt corrosion.
>>23838467I think the joke was that Resonative's prospects are so grim that it basically conceptually doesn't exist, and so OP coildn't understand what you were talking about
>>23838601no the joke was sumika not existing in resonative to which anon #2 said "In what?" which may or may not be what the joke you claim it is, to which anon #3 made the other point that the world's beaches may not even exist because of the displacement, but considering Meiya traveled by boat from Hawaii makes me think things are maybe more normal than he seems to believe.
>Project Mikhail on Humble Bundle did they ever fix it lol
>>23839230they slightly improved the controls at one point but they also completely shutdown the entire online mode and the story is still just a really bad alternative recapnot really worth playing unless you get it for free, just emulate literally any armored core and pretend you're playing a muv luv spinoff
>>23838467I didn't realize people started breathing through their skin. Or is that one of their BETA hybrid attributes?
>>23839808>even fanartists deprive us of the anatomically correct fortified suitsEt tu, Brute?
