I wish wed go back to designs that didnt pretend they were outside of an anime toy commercial? Seriously why does everything need 100 vents/portholes/ridges and 100 decals of logos/racing stripes/ and signs akin to "CAUTION DO NOT STAND NEAR THRUSTER WHILE GIANT ROBOT IS IN MOTION" these days?Like look at this asshole in pic related. This is not my boy..this is not the 0079 MS I fell in love with yet it dares shares its name.
Shut the fuck up american faggot.
>>23822353get filtered lmao
>>23822361That looks great tho. Thats what I want.
>>23822360Americans love that shit tho
>>23822353Everything you love is the 1970s aesthetic. It's fantastical, bombastic, and stylized. Some people would call it "campy". But modern Gundam UC directors are obsessed with realism. They want everything to be tied to reality with very little room for imagination or fantasy.The funny part is watching modern Gundam directors struggle to pretend (Pic related) is realistic.
>>23822353okay, then go look at 50 year old pictures some more and stfu
>>23822353There's no going back.The reason Gundam is beloved is for its realism, pseudo-realism or not.
>>23822424>The funny part is watching modern Gundam directors struggle to pretend (Pic related) is realistic.Those retcon are easily the best part.
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>>23822490And that's all from me
>>23822475>2. The core fighter is expensive because it has a learning computer.Uhhh...how about they just don't put a learning computer in it? Problem solved.
>>23822493They say it is an expensive unit, they didn't say the "learning computer" is the main reason.Plus I could imagine it as:>every other systems were engineered to link with the learning computer>removing the learning computer mean wasting all that and building something else instead>removing that waste mean is no different from rebuilding everythingIt's my retcon and I'll die by it
>>23822424But realistic vehicles tend to look closer to 70s or at most IGLOO era UC with greebling minimized since you have to maintain all that shit post-mission. I've noticed the traditional animation medium of older Gundam forced the designers to be conservative with their designs in a way reminiscent of actual engineering, and the end result is that all of the OG suits have distinct, easy-to-read silhouettes.
>>23822424I fucking love the 70s aesthetic in all things despite it being a shit decade.
>>23822466Wrong.
>>23822667Yeah just look how smooth this thing is. It doesnt have a trillion vents
>>23822353That sounds like a you problem, maybe try looking at more mecha anime.
>>23822353It's time you accepted that gundam is a franchise built on "don't you recognize thing!? clap if you do!" and moved on.
>>23822424All of Zeon's early MAs are basically just MotWs so watching people bend themselves into pretzels to try and justify shit like the Zakrello always makes me laugh.
>>23822792Mad this early?
>>23822361Was this supposed to be a troll? Because it's better looking than anything bandai has shat out for the past 25 years.
>>23822696i have a funny experience with this image. I once made an artist friend who was very skilled he really did liked to do mechanical stuff so one day i sent him that image and dude went nuclear telling me that was the shittiest thing ever and that was made by untalented creative deficit faggots. After that rant we barely spoke until one day he called me a borring faggot and blocked me.
>>23822424>>23822353It's not like things even took long to change. Zeta already moved towards much more detailed designs than MSG and it became the design basis of Gundam, not the original series. Now, there was a limit to how much detail they could animate at that point, and you have Tomino in CCA - f91 - Victory going for somewhat simpler designs for ease of animation, but when you look outside of that, you get stuff like Sentinel quickly moving to very detailed designs.
>>23822832When it touches a nerve thats when you know its right.Sounds like he couldn't swallow the pill that hes a hasbeen who just copies does what an AI does. Copy n paste different parts from different vehicles of the military industrial complex onto a "design" and call it his own creation.
>>23822463Bamco is a greedy company right? Isn't it cheaper to produce kits that are less detailed? And approve simpler designs and reject busy ones?Then again I guess in the long run its cheaper to make 50 variants of the Zaku with different assortment of tattoos and piercings than have artists make 50 different designs
>>23822936Gundam blew up merchandising-wise due to MSV and other expanded material. People consuming the "world". So it had to drift towards realism and even Bandai realized that.Note even Gundam's recovery with SEED also came alongside a renewed push for extended content beyond the anime, while its weakest decade sales-wise was the 90s, where there was the strongest disconnect between the anime and Gundam as a media franchise in general, with products at the time not elaborating on the world nearly as much as what UC got back in the 80s and the newer series starting from SEED got.
>>23822945Makes sense.Though SEED being a gen y and z version of UC-OYW, the fact it revived the IP just shows yeah people like simple smooth designs. Heck its the one show that has 50 different gundams. Yet they were simple and boring so can we really not have MSV and streamlined designs at the same time?
>>23822970genuinely deranged take
>>23822973Deranged in what? That SEED wasnt a rehash of the OYW? >spacenoids vs earth federation>giant space laser super weapon>newtypes even having the damn same sound>char clone>big bad gets shot from behind in the last episodeOr do you mean that the designs of Buster,Duel,Forbidden,Calamity etc etc arent simple borderline boring designs. Cause they are.
>>23822696This picture is really retarded.Artist focusing on realism or fantasy exist no matter the era.Hard-SF artist worked based on what they knew at the time.Even that pic within the pic is conceptually feasible, today's project for Air-taxi sometime manage to hide the blade. Thought I could imagine an network of autonomous lifter carrying those pods like air crane.That ringed object down there, is an acceptable design for a rotating space station.Arthur C. Clarke predicted what was almost a smartphone in 1968, the original Discovery spaceship had heat-radiator removed for the movie for artistic reasons, and HAL 9000 could be made today, it would even be just as reliable.>>23822832Your friend sound very touchy and oversensitive, but I can understand how anon's pic is insulting for artists. It's basically just a meme that imply artists don't know what they are drawing for and just do it on a feeling.
>>23822985That was the golden age of sci fi and while some realism was worked in form took over function. Star Wars aesthetic is pretty much the poster child of this. A Giant 4 legged AT-AT that can get its legs tangled wouldnt even be a thought to be entertained by the left panel. Yet its left a bigger mark on sci fi than a forgettable bayformers design.What we have today is the artistic equivalent of architectural brutalism, function over form.You are missing the point completely by making it directed toward the artist and not the philosophy. Its cope for this>>23822931
>>23822936Quite the opposite.>Then again I guess in the long run its cheaper to make 50 variants of the Zaku with different assortment of tattoos and piercings than have artists make 50 different designsExactly.They aren't even the one assembling/painting the model so it already cut 90% of the cost.Plus it's easier to distract from its nature as a toy if the model aim for "gritty realism".Entire limb/body is one smooth surface? Muh toys, even concept cars have access for maintenance.Groove to pretend it's dozen of panels? Now that's a vehicle made to be repaired.
>>23822993>Its cope for [insulting bullshit]If anyone answering uneducated bullshit with more words than it deserve is "touched", my guess is that you are either encouraging obscurantism, or a mid-effort troll.The constructive answer is that both type of artists, of "philosophy" coexist in any era.The golden-age of Sci-fi was not limited to one art style and a long time, and many novelist were forced a very arbitrary form of pseudo-realism filtered by a certain editor John W.Campbell.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctpvd2VvukQPlus it's called a golden-age not because it was realistic or attached to details, but just because it became more than niche literature.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=174-Gch95uY>starwarsWhat? James Cameron is exactly that kind of details focused nerd even when making science-fantasy. All SW space-fighter were made taking inspiration on existing aircraft even if he didn't care about realism for that project.You can't even call anon's "left pic" a search for realism, just like "right pic" could be imagined either as a lazy artist paid to represent a real machine, or a space-opera writer being honest about his understanding of science.>artistic equivalent of architectural brutalismThose words describe a very specific type of design in a specific context, and it was definitely NOT "function over form", kinda of the opposite even.
>>23822424And this is why modern science fiction post Star Wars is shit.
>>23822985>>It's basically just a meme that imply artists don't know what they are drawing for and just do it on a feeling.And what is wrong with that?
>>23823069You are wrong.
>>23823073For you anon, for you. That’s the real failure of Star Wars. It created a standard. Granted, sometimes referred to as “Used Future”, started really with Silent Running, and really, maybe even with 2001, took away wonder from it. That’s why it’s can really be given credit to Dino et al when they worked on this. Zarkov is even credited as being one of the developers fictionally of the Shuttle, but it’s damn neat to see picrels look as sticking with the original instead of running on George’s homage.
>>23822667>and the end result is that all of the OG suits have distinct, easy-to-read silhouettes.Good. That's exactly what Tomino ultimately wanted. He told original mecha designers to do whatever they wanted as long as each shut was distinct enough for a 7 year old child to draw it.
>>23822832Sounds like you deserved that
>>23823084Shit like this still gets made today but you wouldn't know.
>>23823161Not enough
>>23823084That pic Reminds me of when LRH said alien space craft look like DC10s in his writings.
>>23823029Brutalism quite literally is function over form. It arose because Europe bombed its housing to kingdom come and there was a massive post war population that needed simple housing.
>>23823267Shitty writer, save volume, shittier religion, no apologies
>>23823314Idk theres some skill involved in creating such a con. Especially convincing John Travolta to risk his entire career and acting prestige on a shitty movie
>>23823406BE is one of those films so shit it a study of the insanity of either one mind or a collective. Psychlos destruction felt like a temper tantrum
>>23822484>>23822485>the brown paint was really special guiz! It has radar blocking properties and is super stealth!1!!>also only the Acguys that invaded Jaburo had this paint. That's why other Acguys were not stealth in other animes!Really? Are they really doing this? They couldn't leave the Acguy alone or have the Federation just suck at secueity. It's so silly. And what about the BRIGHT RED paint Char used when he infiltrated the Jaburo base with the Acguy team?
I agree with the general sentiment, but I think our thresholds for what is acceptable are different. That Zeong doesn't look too bad to me. But then you got stuff like the Valverave's upgade or GQuuuuuuX and it does start to seem like visual noise for the sake of it.
>>23823596The standard is simple. If a 7 year boy can't draw the general outline of your mecha, then your mecha is too complicated. That's what Tomino said when it came to mecha design.
>>23822353The problem with this re-design is that the design feels like its ashamed of being a Zeong. It doesn't embrace the wacky design language of the original Zeong body.So the designer slapped a bunch "realistic" armor plates and booster rockets to the body.
>>23822424Ironically, something like big zam isn't actually that far off from "realistic", at least compared to humanoid mecha.>legs for landing and anchoring the mech>big fuck off gun dominating the center of the machine>the rest of the armaments dedicated to suppressing smaller things>crewed like a ship, with multiple people on a bridge
>>23822424>>23823681>Ironically, something like big zam isn't actually that far off from "realistic", at least compared to humanoid mecha.Don't forget it's also shielded against beam weapons.You could use it for a ground assault on the moon. Low gravity, 360° attack é defense, big ass main canon if neededno explanation for the flying claws tho
>>23823772>no explanation for the flying claws thoThey provide coverage for the blind spot on the Big Zams underside. The beam cannons can't aim that low.
>>23823798The laser don't point above either and the legs allow to AMBAC.No really, those claws are silly and retconning them would be impressive
>>23823625I kind of get what they were going for with the Thunderbolt "Perfect" Zeong. Unlike the Plamo-Kyoshiro/MSV version which went for a more MS design, they pushed it towards a more MA design. It in many ways is a reference to Gundam Sentinel's [Bst] and Deep Striker configurations of the S Gundam.
>>23822667I mean, tanks do have those visible plates connecting in what's otherwise a straight surface. That's basically the reference point for greebling. You just end up with busier designs for mecha since the tank's silhouette is simpler than a humanoid one.
>>23822694The 70s was a better decade than the 2010s and 2020s.
>>23823625It's effectively just zeong with a bigger skirt and some exaggerated featurez, I'm not seeing the shame here
>>23823084>>23823029>>23822985Man, people in the past had such high hopes placed in us it's not even funny
>>23824903>It's effectively just zeong with a bigger skirt and some exaggerated featurezEffectively sure. Symbolically? Nope.Thematically? Nope.>I'm not seeing the shame hereLook harder
>>23822353Thundernolt Perfect Zeong was such a massive disappointment. It lasted a few chapters in total, destroyed a couple grunts, briefly fought the Psycho Braw Bro, and then ran away and exploded. What a waste.
>>23825013It pretty much just exists as a plot point to deliver Io his co-pilots for the titular Gundam.
>>23823596Why do the little "wings" on the claws look like wadded up napkins?
