>it took the feddies 42 years to make a Gelgoog-tier suit which stood the test of time and put up a decent fight against superior mechsBetter late than never, I guess.
>>23832985Bro your Jegan??m
>>23832985At least post the MEGASPEAR ver. You spacemongoloid
>>23832985nigga when these were introduced in the UC 120s they complained that they had the performance of mobile workersthere's a scene in victory where zanscare were clapping javelins so badly that they were toying with them and making them retreat so far back the javelins and clops were burning up in the atmosphere
>>23832985>GelgoogWhat?
>>23833400I still find it funny that the Javelin's best showing was by a mechanic who still gets killed after accomplishing nothing. The Federation only did well when they got some Gun-Ez's late in the show and they might have been an animation error.
>>23833400To be fair it was said that during the events of crossbone they actually performed quite well against Jupiter empire mobile suits. Also the javelin and jamesgun(which for whatever reason hadn’t been retired yet at that point) were supposed to have already been replaced by something called the javious. This image is just a fan made interpretation but it’s probably the best idea we’ve got of this thing.
>>23833605Jamesgun wasn't retired because it's part of the same series made right before Javelin. Jamesgun still has a role as a cheaper but still perfectly competent unit that can be adapted to any environment whereas Javelin is the (relatively) higher spec model.
>>23833629It also has a tactical shovel to fucking spearchuck at superior bespa technology with
>>23833590The EF forces are really poorly organized during the events of Victory. EF Gov trying to stay neutral while random EF forces retaliate against an aggressive zanscare force that is better organized and armed.
>>23833605Good merc suit for a sengoku period ttrpg gundam campaign
>>23833605Star Wars sequel trilogy has so many parallels to V Gundam. The Resistance paralleled League Militaire as the New Republic/Federation were too lazy.Javelin is like the T-70 X-wing while the Javeous is the T-85 X-wing which we rarely saw.>>23833590There were some non-Shrike Gun-EZ's every now and then, very few though. Couldn't tell if they were LM or Feddie.
>>23833639sorry, that was a different MS, she even tells you she's not a jamesgun
>>23833658There's that one Gunblasted squad in Javelin colours that's seen defending the Feddie flagship late in the series. Probably a Federation ace squad (such as it is) that was provided with better units.
>>23833672Just love the panoramic cockpit shots of UC, that is what makes UC UC.
>>23833590I'd say that is more of a lowlight. I think they have some pretty nice moments in Victory. In one scene, for example, a group of Javelins use their beam shields as a team to block Katejina from reaching Uso, much to her frustration.
>>23833590No there are some Javelins that score kills right before the ceasefire between the Feddies and Zanscare.
>>23833796Yeah, about that
>>23834312Part of me is doubtful with how crunched this is but I'll accept it. That's a pity.
>>23833605>>23832985>>23833672Why do these suits look less advanced and less powerful than suits we saw in CCA and even ZZ?
>>23834645Downsizing and efficiency. F91 designs had thrusters everywhere, Victory had lower animation budget.5th generation MS from UC0105 were the peak of 1st era MS. UC0110 introduced 2nd era 15m class MS.
>>23834645Money is running tight in the earth federation. So most mass production models are pretty simple and are able to police most normal situations. F90s, F91s, and other high spec MS are reserved for serious situations.Zansacre mobile suits were so well armed that EF was shipped Gun-EZs by the LM since their old suits were getting outclassed.Apparently the beam bazooka that the Gun-EZ uses is an actual type of VSRB beam weapon.ZZ was also rare period where one faction had a huge amount of resources while having very little manpower and was exploiting a bloody civil war ending.
>>23833672Tomino is amazing!
>>23834645Bandai wanted Victory Gundam to sell models and toys, so all the MS are brightly colored and simple to attract kids. Gundam F91 and 0083 did not sell the amount Bandai wanted, so the Victory MS were purposely made more kid friendly, with cheaper and more variety than F91 or 0083.
>>23835522How could Bandai come to that conclusion? That's not the reason F91 and 0083 didn't sell well. It was because of the writing. F91 was super rushed and tried to do too much in a single movie. 0083 went crazy in the 2nd half of the show with drama and love triangles. The Dendrobrium wasn't enough to compensate for the crazy Nina betrayal and her helping Gato drop a colony on earth.
>>23835820>and her helping Gato drop a colony on earth.You know this bait fell out of season right? Modern /m/ has for the most part actually watched the show again and found out that’s not true. You gotta move on to something else.
>>23835871>Bait?Iirc she just stood there and watched him in the control room and did nothing. She could have shot him much earlier and stopped this whole mess.
>>23835883It’s okay anon, if you want to just switch to a different meme that’s fine.
>>23835883On the incredibly off chance you’re actually functionally retarded and not trolling? Colony was already past the point of no return and projected to smack the rainforest before his minor adjustments for stardust. The most you could ever say she complicit with was the soldiers Gato killed on his way out of life, but you know, AFAB
>>23835820More like SD Gundam was eating "Real" Gundam's lunch for years. Why would kids bother with these boring grown up robots when they can build cute little samurai/knight/commando guys for cheap instead.
>>23835905I actually built an SD EX kit for the first time recently and it was kind of horrifying. I'm not a snob that'll refuse to touch anything less detailed than an MG or something, but it was genuinely shocking to me how little of the actual fun of building was left in that thing.Kind of makes me want to try an MGSD, see if that does it for me instead.
>>23835889Didn't she have a gun pointed at Gato? Just shoot him.
>>23835905I don't actually think SD Gundam was popular with the intended audience of kids ages 7 to 12 years old. Only very young children (like 5 years old and under) and old Gundam fans who gush over the references liked the show.
>>23835820>>23835905Yeah, during the late 80s and early 90s, SD Gundam was selling more than main Gundam.
>>2383598480s and 90s SD Gundam was different. They were parody shows that told funny jokes about UC Gundam shows.
>>23835974I’ll slow down for you. ColonyAlreadyDropping
>>23835522I guess that explains why the bespa suits are like that. Wouldve liked more feddy and lm variations
>>23836065So why didn't nina shoot him before he did his computer stuff. Clearly it was important. I remember she just cried and whined.
>>23835889She betrayed Kou when she refused to give him the space data for the GP01 and did nothing to stop him from launching. Or do we pretend the big boy OVA that tried to incorporate the way aircraft carrier catch damaged planes in nets could also include the other end where you call for an emergency stop before a craft even launches?
How did this thread devolve into yet more 0083 misogynistic retardation
>>23836263You're in 4chan. Things stopped being civil here come 2020 as far as I'm concerned.
>>23836281It has never been civil
>>23836292Generally. I once participated in a very civil Infinite Stratos thread here in /m/ and it was very civil compared to most 0083 and Witch from Mercury threads. Yes, I'm that old to remember 2015-2020 4chan.
>>23833629The Javelin is also a multi-enviroment suit as well;I think the Jamesgun wasn't retired for the same reason as the Jegan in F91: the EF is somewhat broke and there's no large threat on the horizon, so no reason to spend money retiring and replacing.
>>23836230Can you not read? Do you not want to read? COLONY. ALREADY. FALLING
>>23836263Is misogynistic to point out she’s responsible for the deaths of millions?
>>23834312Though I'm sad there's less Javelin feats in the world, blue Gun-EZs are sexy as fuck.
>>23833400Same can be said for the Gelgoog, where most of its impressive feats came after the OYW where it out up a valiant fight against stronger suits. The Javelin, while being the "outdated Feddie fodder suit" like the Jegan and GM II, actually got kills whilst those two jobbers were humiliated.
>>23836492Yeah but Gato is still a wanted criminal. Shoot him. Maybe aim the colony to hit Antarctica. No one lives there. Problem solved
>>23836500Given she fucking isn't, yeah>>23836758You are too stupid to be a real person
>>23836636>Same can be said for the GelgoogWell, the difference is that the Gelgoog is also treated as a deadly foe during the OYW as well. The only modern example I can remember where it definitely ate shit was the 0081 intro animation.>actually got kills whilst those two jobbers were humiliated.CCA already had the Jegan able to kill Geara Dogas and Unicorn gave the Jegans a bunch of other kills. Only the GM II jobbed repeatedly in Zeta despite first appearing in that story, as a slightly older grunt.
>>23833453>>23836636Judging by how its worded I assume OP means a wunderwaffe that withstands the test of time. While this is certainly true to a degree, it's important to remember that many postwar Gelgoog variants like those fielded by Chimera Corps remnants were overhauled with modern tech like linear seat cockpits and gundarium alloy. A goog that just walked out of the OYW would be far less impressive by UC 0090s standards
>>23836758I’d ask you to just watch it again but you’re not going to. Hell you probably didn’t even watch it in the first place
>>23835820I for one quite enjoyed 0083
>>23837085Anon she literally helped Gato escape. Not arrest him. And they could maybe aim the colony at Antarctica or the ocean. Some empty place to save people. I don't know why you are acting like a bitter weirdo.
>>23832985Everyone thought the Gundam Mark II would be the new standard of MS and put all resources into it only to discover the design was hard-carried by Amuro's piloting skills.
>>23837425>Everyone thought the Gundam Mark II would be the new standard of MS and put all resources into it only to discover the design was hard-carried by Amuro's piloting skills.In a way it didn't become the ene standard. It outlasted all the other wacky transforming designs of Zeta era. The Nemo and GM III is basically a mass produced Gundam Mark II. Same with Jegan which is just a refinement of both those 2 suits.
>>23837353classy
>>23837439>In a way it didn't become the ene standard.Oops. Meant to say it *did* become the standard. At least in the long term.
>>23837392You have multiple people telling you you’re stupid and you double down? Classy
>>23837852That just sounds like you cave to peer pressurelike, every time two or more faggots proposition you to an ass-ramming you just default to agree because you can't say no to any group of people
>>23837852Based on what I've read, you didn't actually respond to the points made by him. Is anon wrong? 1. Did Nina have the chance to arrest or kill Gato? 2. Could she have redirected the colony drop to somewhere uninhabited like the middle of the ocean or Antarctica? Until you address these points, I say you are the wrong one here.
>>23837425The Mk II was VERY successful against all odds, its template was used on the GM III and would greatly influence the creation of the Jegan. Not bad for a test type machine that wasn’t even supposed to have been deployed in battles
>>23837910NTA but no and no.
>>23832985Are F91 and Victory worth watching?
>>23838083only if you want to know what the shitposting is about
>>23838089
>>23837948This is a really pathetic response. Do better anon. You embarrass the entire mecha community with such lazy answers.
>>23838089Really weird how a super advanced from the UC0150s doesn't even have a 360 degree monitor.
>>23838095the secrets of ZZ's panoramagic cockpit were lost to time and AE collusion
>>23838131Why would ZZ gundam have a hot cockpit? It should be able to run the A/C indefinitely. It has a nuclear reactor.
>>23838173same reason we can't give beam guns to old zakus but bits and funnels exist
>>23838083Good Drunk watches, entertaining but obviously flawed sober watch
>>23833639>tactical shovelOtherwise known as an entrenching tool.
>>23838083F91 is flawed but very beautiful at least. I personally thought Victory was great, it's genuinely one of my favorite entries.
>>23840869If F91 didn't have good animation, then I probably wouldn't have watched it. The movie compresses too much storytelling into a single movie. Bare minimum it needed to be 3 movies long to tell the F91 story. Or maybe be a 24 episode series.
>>23838091Kinda reminds me of that Anaheim technician.
>>23838091I'm sorry but this is so silly. Even for Gundam I can't take it seriously at all. They are treating this ship like an unstoppable horror movie villain. It's vulnerable to missiles and physical attacks. The shield doesn't stop them. Also the ship can't turn very well. Just attack from the side. We've had giant Land ships even during the One Year War. Their weaknesses are well known.
>>23846397Wow someone got triggered
>23846382Cry more
>>23833796There is that time a bunch of Javelins saved Uso from being finished off by Fualla, although most of them got blown up shortly thereafter.
>>23838091>>23846382Tell that to the Bandai-Sunrise executives at the time.
>>23846397What'd I miss?
>>23838579When did Char get his own Gundam? No, the Zeong doesn't count.
>>23837079Why does the puke green one have the optics of an armored trooper?
>>23838089Why'd he need to stuff a rag in if the breach is narrow enough to be covered by a single line of adhesive?
>>23838173>>23838131They were on a mission detached from the Argama, either it broke down or they couldn't use it to conserve energy.
>>23838173I thought it was a Minovsky reactor.
I think Javelin is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills spaecniods and doesnt afraid of anything.It's the classic "but it's not that bad!" explanation but the Javelin is like 30 years old by the time we see it in Victory. Yet we see it still shit out enough thrust to legitimitely FLY in Earth's atmosphere without relying on transforming, beam rotors, or Minovsky flight, and shot lancers are still good enough to oneshot Bespa suits probably since Late UC designs are small/lightweight. And even untrained plebs can dodge AA fire in it >>23838091Plus the draft design looks cool as heck.
>>23836065>>23835889>>23835883it doesn't matter if the colony cant be stopped. Nina pointed a gun at Kou, a EFSF liuetenant and aiding a terrorist to escape. if Nina tried that in other places, like in America, she would have been shot and riddled with bullet holes..
>>23846382Not in Victory. The Adrastrea class is decked out in aa guns, the tires are extremely resistant to shell and beam damage, and the ships are also very well armored. Late UC units can't handle these ships as well due to having less armor and relying even more on dodging than older designs. It's only weakness is the bridge if you fly right above jt, and that sort of thing is ignored in most shows. Hell, Victory actually did do this later when Odelo kills Duke.
>>23856102why would riding a giant tire be better than just using a Minovsky craft system to float?
>>23856118one lets you fight in the air, the other lets you fight on the ground
>>23832985>put up a decent fight against superior mechs>Gelgoog-tierGelgoogs were the best MS on the field when they got deployed and yet they still jobbed to everything around them anywayJavelins are low cost low performance machines because the feds thought they'd have nothing else to fight anymore
>>23856118They literally made these things as a huge scare tactic. Riding them and crushing cities below them was supposed demotivare opponents while fighting them. It worked.
>>23855787Nta but can't she just win the colony at Antarctica or something? Somewhere with no life. Blow up some ice won't mean much. >>23856174That whole premise is silly. The Federation could just annihilate them with Big Tray classes
>>23856208>>23856208>That whole premise is silly. The Federation could just annihilate them with Big Tray classesThe same way they annihilated all the Zeon landships and airships?
>>23856238>The same way they annihilated all the Zeon landshipsWell...yeah? Didn't you watch the Gundam series? Zeon landships couldn't fight Federation landships in a straight 1v1 fight. Zeon needed mobile suits to provide support just to keep the fight even.
>>23856244I'll need reference episodes so I can catch up on the lore
>>23856255MS IGLOO anime. Just watch all it. There's only like 8 or 9 episodes.
>>23856305Already saw it, the Big Tray and Fork classes never land any hits on the Dabudes. Not that any of the landships ever engage each other.
>>23850899That's from an alternate timeline where Uso discovers who his Grandpa is.
>>23856326Iirc, that Dabude was the last one at Odessa. It was the final phase of the battle. The others were taken out off screen by the Big Trays and GMs.
>>23856503Why did that guy even point to the animation then, it's like saying "watch the movies if you want to see the G-Armor"
>>23856238Do you think Big Trays can't destroy some motorcycle land ships through sheet firepower? I didn't see anything in the anime that suggest they can't. They are big targets for artillery.
>>23856510Who gives a shit about "possibility" if they never bothered to show it? It's also possible for Guncannons to hold beam sabers too but they never do either so insisting they did seems pointless
>>23856510Why do you think the EF which is running low on money, and barely does anything even in space, is bothering to maintain and pay for land battleships that wouldn't have been used in about a century? There are no Big Trays left and they never made replacements as space battleships with Minovsky craft flight units were good enough. Zanscare wanted wheels to cause terror and their ships are strong even for space battleships
>>23846382>It's vulnerable to missiles and physical attacks.Obviously not. They literally survived a nuclear explosion.
>>23852298snoipin's a good job, m8
>>23857190You have to go back.
>>23858458it's too late, even 15 years back is not enough
>>23857154You are going to need explain clearly why normal bombardment wouldn't work on these giant land battleships. As far as I know, Gundam generally follows the idea that mobility always wins. A relatively slow moving landships should be an easy target for the EF air force.
>>23858491The EF doesn't have air forces at this point in time. You keep forgetting they were completely ignoring Zanscare literally terror bombing Eastern Europe earlier in the show. Victory is a show where the government does basically nothing while the milita save themselves. Which is why the government falls afterwards.
>>23858491in vietnam the US attacked the thanh hóa bridge 873 times with unguided bombs over the course of like 3-4 years of active airstrike campaigns and only scored minor hits until it was destroyed the first time they tried using guided weapons. with minovsky particles blocking guided munitions they're gonna have a harder time against a moving battleship crawling at like 20mphsorta like why both battleships and aircraft carriers don't instantly get deleted in WWII just because airforce exist, still takes a lot of effort to sink a ship sometimes
>>23837079But Javelins were already mediocre when it was introduced. Jamesguns were outright terrible AE grift
>>23858491Bombardment with what? The EF barely exists at this point
>>23856208We don't see any during Victory, so it's likely all land battleships were decommissioned by this point, not that they'd stand a chance in a fight.
>>23856208Even the more advanced Audhumlas seem to be nonexistent by the time of Victory. When the Feds send planes to pick up the LM forces they are only given some old shoddy transport planes and the Zanscare forces are the ones flying around conducting patrols and inspections like they own the skies, even using Zeon-inspired fighter planes
>>23859692>even using bootleg DoppsFTFY
>>23833605I think a more fitting name for this suit would be "Fat-91"
>>23860955Doesn't even look similar enough to the F-91 to warrant that appellation.
>>23858462What would be?
>>23859692EF sources were trying to keep it hush that they were assisting the LM. EF is really weak at this point and is able to bullied by the colonies politically.
>>23864411>zanni onee-san? stop it, please, don't bully me, I'll collapse right onto this bed>what are doing to me in bed, onee-san?
>>23862572It's due to the VSBRs combined with the short height and bulky frame
>>23867723Should’ve been the F80, would’ve solved their CQC issues they had throughout Late UC
>>23867727How so?
>>23869203The F60, which hadn’t been built at all was meant to have been the name of a machine from the formula project intended to engage in close combat like how the F70 was a ranged support type, it didn’t go through but it’s idea would be put into the F80 once it had the intended mission packs to do so.
>>23869274>but it is idea
