Alright lads how are we going to comport ourselves so Axis doesn’t have a monopoly on “we are simply enlightened despots bringing order to a lawless world”?

As far as the public and most people outside our immediate circle are concerned, Axis is not clearly related to AEUG, so they seem pretty squeaky clean apart from being a weird freak show if you actually get inside the throne room.

Meanwhile, for better or for worse, we’re still associated with Unlimited Genocide on The Moon due to Jerid and his enforcers turning the occupied zones of the moon into a police state. And the work culture where the women need to carry knives to walk around safely and occasionally break each other’s necks by accident leaves something to be desired.

I’m not sure what our alignment score looks like but it’s probably not great. How are we gonna collect non Titans jobber-grade allies without them running away screaming for the loving embrace of Mineva?

>>23839934
Thanks for running this thing Copy. These threads are really entertaining

>>23840106
I think its simple we work with Axis in stopping Bask and keeping the sides safe, piggybacking off their enlightened good guys trying to keep things safe from the raving maniac Bask seems like a good short-term idea. Lets us draw in everyone who isn't a Zeek who hates to see Bask burn the world and gives us a chance to have Axis grace us with a few pilots we can indocturnate to our cause over theirs like we did with Sarah. Once Axis reveals its hand as an actually evil entity with disavow them and keep working towards their public and our real goal of bringing order to the earth sphere so that the strong can bring about a better world.

>>23840146
We voted against allying with Axis so I’m not sure that’s on the table.

>>23840106
I do really hope if nothing else us consolidating here allows us to instill some goddamned discipline in our ranks before setting off to fight the world.

We also really need to have a vision for the future that isn't simply not being the Federation or Zeon or AEUG or the Titans or Axis. Like what's our angle if we're not just the Titans of a different uniform? Jerid at least has been steered into some manner of ideology of spacenoid abolition, so that's something.

Not doing war crimes every week is typically enough to bring the right people towards us, pilot-wise. I don't think we're gonna see a mass exodus of order aligned feds flock to Axis as long as we can make an even halfway good case for ourselves.

>>23840146
>>23840190
Yeah I'm not so sure that'll happen unless they're literally being supplied by Haman to help lay the groundwork for her trying to overthrow our org once we take out Axis

>>23840190
Kamille did suggest to Jerid to pretend to play ball with Axis while they're building their forces, so pretending to work with them while we bring down Bask still seems to be on the table. On the other hand, Haman knows we're just pretending, so it could go either way, really. Still, we may have some breathing room to build some muscle before dealing with Axis.

>>23840106
I'd say it depends. I assume we're somewhere in the middle, maybe a little closer to law than chaos. We did some ruthless shit in the run, but we've been rather pragmatic in our fights and we haven't done outright heinous shit for no good reason. Then again, Jerid's chimpouts and the company he's got with him might just cancel out whatever goodwill Kamille has going for him.

>>23840223
The way I see it we do have a list of priorities in order, namely:
>Find an ideological niche that Axis or Scirocco cannot insinuate themselves into.
Scirocco has damaged his case with the Colony Laser though I’m not sure how much plausible deniability he has. Axis the main weak point is that they are backing AEUG. The problem is proving that.
>Tardwrangle Jerid and his loyalists
Jerid believes in basically nothing but obtaining power. He’s at least become about 12-18% less racist to Spacenoids but his main concern is just ruling over humanity as far as I can tell. This is not exactly a winning pitch compared to Mineva’s “we’d like the war crimes to stop please” stance. Even though he hasn’t done anything super crazy lately, he’s still leveling cities and presumably nothing has changed on the occupation tactics where people’s whole families are getting killed for suspected Zeek sympathies. His subordinates are mostly desperate amateurs given hollow promises of vagaries like glory or status seekers trying to find an easy ticket into the Titans, and they’re basically scum. Discipline needs to be instilled. Examples must be made.
>Find allies that aren’t worthless and aren’t going to fuck us over
While I’m not terribly impressed by what the Titans have, Axis has Haman, the Ples, Mashymre, Chara, Glemy’s gang, Amuro, and most worryingly, Quess, as well as likely being ahead in tech. If we play our cards wrong, they also get Judau, most likely. We need to win some new friends that don’t think we’re opportunistic scumfucks mad at our boss.
>Be nicer to Fa
Worried she’s going to defect, to be honest. Also she really deserves to be treated better. I don’t want a repeat of Sidle where one of our allies effectively murdered her and there were zero consequences. I didn’t care for Sidle but that’s really fucked up.
>Watch out for whatever bullshit Char is going to pull
Do I even need to say this?

>>23840253
Since Copy X has stated,
>[My notes for influence got a little screwed up, so it will be partially retired for the next phase of the game. Having said that, it will have a very tangible effect for everything that was collected/lost when the next part starts up]
I wonder if the ship has sailed for being nice to Fa. It's a worry.

>>23840223
>>23840253
as far as spacenoids are concerned I think Jerid's stance is fair
>Jerid transmission: To those who call themselves Spacenoids, there will be no white flags or negotiations! No concessions to the Senate or the weak who have appeased you for far to long!! Your diseased ideology will die by the hand of those who carry the true will of the Titans!!
>Yazan: Hmhmhm...well, isn't this fun?
>Jerid transmission: To those who still consider themselves citizens of the Earth, stand aside and witness, or stand strong and earn your place in the future! To those who have abandoned their very humanity as Zeon did, step forward and die now, or escape to be trampled by the future! Our advance will only end once every last one of your kind is eradicated!!

People who tend to treat themselves as spacenoids are the ones who tend to be leaning Zeon, keep in mind that those same people don't see 'spacenoid' as anything besides people who support side 3's ideals, I dont think you'll see Jerid rounding people up, he did that because it was literally AEUG's headquarters.

As for his men, they are not only mercs looking for glory, they're also people hurt and damaged by AEUG, even before their homes blew up, do not forget that AEUG was mass killing people at Ayer and was terrorizing Von Braun, this emboldens people to be harsher towards other
Once and if we start getting other volunteers you'd likely have people who are opposed to Zeon and opposed to Bask but aren't exactly people who survived a attempt at genocide

>>23840253
>I don’t want a repeat of Sidle where one of our allies effectively murdered her and there were zero consequences. I didn’t care for Sidle but that’s really fucked up.
You need to be realistic, for anyone who looks at that story unbiased you'd have to consider that Sydle was trying to kill her commanding officer because of feelings for Scirocco, she was being subdued and died in the struggle(ironically because of Scirocco), she already didn't earn herself any points by doing things like stealing the Zeta or never socializing with the others so it is no wonder why nobody else cares.

Fa has Leila right now who she won't abandon, Leila is still into Kamille currently once she realized the ghosts won't come back to her

>>23840544
>People who tend to treat themselves as spacenoids are the ones who tend to be leaning Zeon, keep in mind that those same people don't see 'spacenoid' as anything besides people who support side 3's ideals
This hews a bit close to persecuting people for thoughtcrimes, namely either sympathizing with Zeonism (which is not exactly unreasonable considering the way the Feddies treat people in space both before OYW and in the interbellum) or having developed an ethnic identity (which isn’t just a Zeon separatist thing; the Titans themselves have basically started throwing the label around as a slur, so they too have created this framework of Earthnoid v Spacenoid). There’s probably a lot of ordinary people who identify as a Spacenoid out there that aren’t necessarily baying for a Great Cleansing of the earth. That number is only going to increase when Haman shows up properly and actually starts advocating for Spacenoid rights through Mineva. I don’t think it’s exactly reasonable to announce you’re going to give no quarter to these people. It also emboldens any actual people identifying with a military cause for Spacenoids because now that Jerid has said “yeah we’ll slaughter you even if you surrender”, they’ll fight to the last man because conceding or joining us is not an option. It’s actually really fucking dumb.

>they're also people hurt and damaged by AEUG
The cycle of violence has to stop with someone. Our main grunt body is driven either by the desire to bully people or to get back at them. If we just let them indulge their feelings they’re not going to stop until the Earth sphere is ashes. We don’t have any people interested in building anything. They need discipline and a cause that isn’t just personal grudges otherwise we’re no better than Char, Haman, or Bask (whose main driving motivation is because he was tortured in a Zeek POW camp). This kind of thinking is how we get more chimpouts.

>>23840545
Sidle actually reminds me of Seth's DnD video talking about the edgelord archtype of how yeah she basically didn't bother trying to mingle with anyone or obey orders, I can't really feel sorry for her because she more or less showed at every chance she didn't want to play ball and the one time i decided to hear her out, it turns out if that won she would've tried to kill Kamille.
We didn't even mistreat her leading up to that really compared to Fa, it just shows how dangerous syrupman really is.

>>23840985
Honestly thinking back on it I can’t think of actual normal people in colonies who use “spacenoid” as a identity, judau and friends didn’t do it, banagher and his friends don’t, Kamille didn’t neither did Fa etc. people who outwardly uses these terms are on the extreme of either side, it doesn’t concern the regular masses
I do think people aren’t going to be drinking Zeon kool aid when they see Kamille’s army defending the colonies from bask

Like I said you can’t convince whats there in regards to AEUG and we will get more volunteers for the moment that can influence the masses on their own

>>23841019
Beecha and Mondo called themselves Spacenoids. Keith and Kou used the term neutrally too, though in 0083 the real slur was Lunarian.

>>23841098
Ironically Beecha and Mondo ate up Neo Zeon propaganda so I’m not shocked to be wrong there

>>23841019
I’m just saying if you live under a regime that is basically trying to create apartheid and constantly calls you Spacenoid to exclude you from “Earthnoids” or the concept of earth citizenship, you might start identifying with that label.

>>23841112
I agree the division is artificial and the label should be abolished. I just think running around screaming that anyone that uses it is considered the enemy of mankind and will die a painful death is retarded. I’m not sure when or why we decided Jerid is our PR guy because the blood and soil shit is probably going to bite us in the ass.

>>23841201
Has Jerid ever called himself or anyone a Earthnoid before? Sure Kamille called Jerid one at the start of the run. But I don't remember a single time when Jerid has called Earthnoids superior to Spacenoids or anything. Mostly he's just been referring to humanity

>>23841201
>>23841215
This is why we should go and secure the colonies and protect them before axis does, if we can at least try our PR will be through the roof protectors of the people.

>>23841247
I’d have to go back and reread but I’m pretty certain he’s complained about Spacenoids in the early game at least. In canon and in Define (which I’m pretty sure Copy has read given how Sarah is characterized here) he’s also pretty racist against Spacenoids.

Given his “we will kill literally anyone that identifies as or fights for the cause of Spacenoids” rhetoric, generally jackbooted approach to peacekeeping, and the rhetoric you hear from his random grunts, I’m having a hard time believing that we might not have to tardwrangle him.

Even the speech here >>23840544
can just as easily be interpreted as a “we’re gonna kill every last Spacenoid” kind of speech, even if the intent is more trying to get people to stop talking about space/earth paradigms. He’s not exactly a gifted speaker. Why is this dude our mouthpiece besides the fact he’s incapable of shutting the fuck up? Shouldn’t we have like Sarah in charge of this sort of thing?

>>23841288
Speaking of Define I wish I could go back and unread CDA.

>>23841288
Maybe Syrupman is right and we need to have a mommyocracy if we’re going to win over the people with our public persona.

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>>23841293
Well then we should have sided with Axis.

>>23841249
I agree this would be a good move, but only if our “protection” takes a more humane form than our moon takeover. We can’t discover there’s an Axis or Titans cell in a Side 2 colony and then burn the entire colony to the ground trying to get at them. And anyone who does that shit needs to be made an example of.

>>23839886
Fa isnt allowed to be happy in the CopyX runs, I guess. Either kamille or her die in gruesome ways or they get separated and miserable.

I just want to see them happy, is that too much to ask?

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>>23841355
I just want to see Amuro and Haman fuck.

>>23841355
Can’t speak to prior runs involving Fa misery but this one was pretty much entirely /m/'s fault for telling her to just fucking put up with Jerid’s nonsense while we went on an adventure with another girl to steal a Gundam. Granted I thought the choice was misleading and had /m/ known that kicking the can down the road was also going to result in us beating her for no fucking reason they probably wouldn’t have voted for it. I hate compromise votes as much as the next guy but having Kamille strike her for daring to ask for salvation felt needlessly cruel and overly melodramatic given the wording of the choice.

>>23841395
I would’ve still voted for it, I’m not going to derail Kamille’s revenge story over something like that.
All Kamille asked for is time to take care of something, she pushed and insulted his crew and he retaliated like he always does when people insult his friends

>>23841395
I'm glad for once we didn't stop doing what we were doing because a character we're attached to from the show is sad despite not having that same emotional relevance to our player character

>>23841459
Rapemuro and Grey AEUG Char making me shake my head at remembering when we've done that before.

>>23841408
It also would've helped if Fa didn't assume the worst in her freak down, granted I can't blame her, but she hasn't been the most sympathetic herself, at the very least she seems to be getting along with the program and befriending Lelia.

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I dont want Rapemuro. I want Amuro to settle down and be a family man and be the man Char couldn't.

>>23841395
I would've liked to get some more rap with Fa, but every time we could've smoothed things over with her, it would've gotten in the way with really important shit that needed to be done. If she does turn traitor in the next stage then it'll be pretty sad, but if that's a consequence of us doing what had to be done, then so be it.

>>23841459
I think it was a fine vote, personally, I just don’t like how hard the knife got twisted. He didn’t need to hit her and nobody really voted for that.

>>23841722
We trusted her with the mega launcher at least, she claimed to want that (then went woe is me, I killed a bunch of people).