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>>23853973Nice OP.
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>>23853421>>23853402>>23853392A lot of people seem to expect Witch from Mercury will have an easier changing the story in later games when they have the full plot, but I really don't see that being a thing.Shows like Wing had freedom to do whatever from the start even when it was incomplete. In Witch's case, the content released after the initial launch has been even more restrictive than in the base game and launch DLC, only being able to mention the main leads, not even show them on screen. And of course, we still don't have anyone using the weapon sellers' weapons.It really feels more like someone who is in charge of Witch is just hell to deal with. Maybe they saw the whole "Destiny is better in SRW than the original!" and want to avoid that situation and are very restrictive on what SRW can do.
This conspiracy gets stupider with every iteration.
>>23854019Yeah, it's really silly."they can't do anything with Witch because the show is incomplete, but they will totally have freedom in future games, the DLC 1/2/E don't count because they're actually OLDER than the main game and the DLC that was released alongside the main game!" as time passes and we get more post-game content, but it was supposedly actually all made -before- the main game and the future will be completely different.
The reality is they limited themselves to just doing EP 1-9 of a 25 ep show when EP 13-24 hadn't released yet, so they just played it safe.
this is 60% of all DD gameplay
Finally finished the game.The Extra chapters dragged on way longer han they should've.Now I can finally move on to Y.
>>23854058It's not even the first time they did something like that.
>>23854059And yet DD gets the better content over console. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcaPErbfmoE
>>23854060expansions only have like 6 stages worth of story but there's some higher up mandate that says they gotta sell like twice that many maps in the expansionthey're always really bad
Why has Kihel never been a support pilot for the Soleil?
>>23854058>>23854061The only cases comparable areGiant Robo - which IS a licensing hell to the point even a licensed game from the time couldn't show one of the antagonists (Red Mask) and not only Alpha 1(including the expanded route in Alpha DC) , but also the standalone SRW64 wasn't able to give it any kind of ending and didn't even adapt all episodes either.Eva Rebuild - where we know the staff outright told them to not do an ending. They didn't want SRW doing an ending before the staff themselves had created an ending for the Rebuild series and several SRW games were released before that ending existed. This wouldn't be an issue for tWfM in Y which would be released way after WfM's airing time.
>>23854070too much time spent being kidnapped
>>23854073SRW does her so damn dirty.
Did the Zeta Gundam ever turn into Waverider form in-atmosphere during Zeta and ZZ?
Imagine having angry sex with Calvina
>>23854071>This wouldn't be an issue for tWfM in Y which would be released way after WfM's airing time.It would be an issue if the game's story has to be done before wfm finalized its s2 script. What are they going to do at that point? Time travel?
>>23854079only in ZZ, iirc
>>23854080For Al-Van ONLY.
>>23854085Nope.
>>23854080Nah, Nelly would be calm and passionate.
>>23854083Yeah, a lot of people don't realized just how long it takes to make something.
Who designed this mech?
>>23854093Brick factory manager.
>>23854093
>>23854094No, but actually who designed it?
>>23854093kazue saito
>>23854083>It would be an issue if the game's story has to be done before wfm finalized its s2 script. What are they going to do at that point? Time travel?Make up stuff like they do for many other series. When the incomplete Wing was implemented into Shin, Zechs got moved into working under Char and having a debt for him he was paying with his loyalty, basically being integrated into that part of the plot since they obviously couldn't do much with tv Wing stuff. Even in Y, you have Combattler going with an original sequel story rather than doing the 2nd half of the season after Garuda's death, CCA/Zeta being a completely made up plot, Mazinkaiser adapts the movie for one stage and afterwards it's either the Great Mazinger manga or original, Dynazenon's "irregularity" that causes the plot is tied to Godzilla, rather than left open for Gridman Universe...That's really my main point here.If whoever is in charge of WfM's licensing doesn't want the SRW staff creating stuff now, why would they suddenly loosen up afterwards to allow more natural use of WfM's plot/setting in crossovers in the future? Obviously future games will be able to do the full WfM plot, but I don't think that comes alongside it being better integrated at all considering the current situation.
>>23854097Thank you. Has he done any other mecha or notable work?
>>23854093https://xcancel.com/kazue_sSomeone else beat me to it, but here's his twitter at least
>>23854099https://www.mobygames.com/person/524153/kazue-saito/
>>23854105VangRay is my favorite OC suit
>>23854099https://srw.wiki.cre.jp/wiki/スタッフ:斉藤和衛
>>23854099>>23854104And https://srw.wiki.cre.jp/wiki/スタッフ:斉藤和衛
>>23854114>>23854111>>23854104So he's pretty much and exclusive SRW designer. Wonder if he ever tried to branch out or just felt too comfortable in his job.
>>23854105I like the VangNex.
>>23854111>>23854114>says he animated Impact and MX on his ownwhoa...also I thought Zwei and Soulgain were Daisei Fuji?
>>23854099He did an assortment of enemies for the OGs, Weissritter, units in T,and units in Y. He also did mechanical design in Project X zone. Have you used Altaisen in any game? It's pretty poopy. Can't hit jack right out of the box, reals stats, and has munition on its melee weapon.
>>23854105>MOAR GUNS >MOAR ARMOR >MOAR THRUSTERS>SELF-REPAIR ABILITY>I'M A FUCKING GENIUS
>>23854122Revolving Stake hits like a truck and that's all you need
>>23854124
>>23854126Except when you need it to hit more than six times.
>>23854124More Brave for Nee-san.
>>23854059Kek it really do be like dat
>>23854122Yeah, it destroys OGs.
Can we please get Neo-Getter again? I just want to see the Go team that's not the Armageddon version.
>>23854129That's what Strike and SP regen is for.
>>23854129That's why you tape a shotgun to the Alt.
>>23854105Love it.>>23854117Hate it, because human face.>>23854128Hate it, because more backpack than robot.
>>23854133Nope. Neo is forgotten to time. Have some Nadegata Getter instead.
>>23854122The Alt has consistently been solid in every game it's in.
Our Mazinger representation for next game. Mazinger X gets the triple Spazers as an attack, I'm sure of it.
>>23854136You can do more than that.
>>23854141Well yeah, it's a brick.
>>23854142Still feels they should have called it Mazinger ZX. Calling it just X makes it sound weaker.
>>23854137the backpack is just the remote weaponsthe big ass cannons are actually just hand held weapons
>>23854154looks like shit compared to the other final bosses
>>23854122Alteisen's machinegun only cost 110k to max just like m95 and that thing has 15 ammo, or you could use the horn, your choice. Rampage ghost also has 5 shot if you maxed its energy iirc.Once you get riese, claymore gained 2 range making it an enemy phase monster.There's a reason kyosuke route is considered easier, R-1 just can't compete.
>>23854118No, his day job is a mangaka. He only worked on morizumi SRWs like impact, A and endless frontier.
Judge this Getter.
>>23854157Well that and Cybuster and the Grungust are the only machines on Ryusei's route capable of killing retreating bosses, everyone else is stuck in grunts. All the fucking water doesn't help either.
>>23854154>Be plumber, literal shit job>somehow get cursed infinite knowledge>now I shall become chuuni clown>hit on Mommy Milkers>????>Profit
>>23854167I do not care for getterslop
>>23854167I like the Getter 1 and 3, but the Getter 2 really suffers here (huge backpack for a thin agile unit, 3 legs, really small drill).
>>23854157I would rather just upgrade Revolving Stake for the combo with Rampage Ghost anyway, though in OG2 I might upgrade the Horn too for its (C) functions. IIRC it's only 165k for the Stake and it's a good enough workhorse. It's been a while since I played normal mode though.
>>23854167Force Jaguar is too small, it makes Force Getter 3 look really bad.
>>23854178The stake is 275k unless it's cheaper in the gba version. My point is alteisen has enough juice in it outside of the stake. In og2nd I even turned it into an all spammer after giving it +1 range.
>>23854167I dunno what it is but there's something absolutely awkward and unappealing about the whole Toyrise line.
>>23854191>absolutely awkward and unappealing about the whole Toyrise line.The proportions?
>>23854186Yeah I just did a playthrough of OGs1 Ex-Hard and I relied on Alteisen a lot so either way it doesn't need weapon upgrades to perform. Though the FUB does help...
What do you think of Shimizu's style of mecha?
>>23854199Left good, mid mid, right eh...
>>23854199Linebarrel is still really cool.
>>23854192I think it's that along with the overall cheapo toy look with all the chunky visible joints, exposed holes and hollow parts (those biceps on Genesic, Jesus Christ - that's fucking throwaway Transformers figure tier) while still demanding pretty damn high prices.
>>23854199I like the lack of feel. Makes it feel more robotic.
>>23854199Linebarrel (and pretty much everything from that series) is still his best work, easily
>>23854070She probably would be if they ever added the Gallop as an early game ship
>>23854199His hero mecha are cool but I think the side character mecha are more interesting to look atHind Kind is one of my favorite robots ever
>>23854199Interesting how Normal and Real Robot his V work is compared to the rest of his catalogue. Even Granvang, if you took away the "Brave" face and had a head similar to the other two would just feel like an agile real robot.
>>23854169Upgrading a rifle a bit and giving it to Latooni makes her a pretty strong support attacker early without high morale requirements
The voice of Bravern Isami and SRW Y Re Seivas.
>>23854213What about the Hind Tank?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHD8hmKg6LoFuture SRW material.
>>23854122>Compact 2Kyosuke (and Excellen) have some of the highest pilot stats in the game and access to multiple strong spirit sets.Despite this game lacking Rampage Ghost and Trump Card, it has a well balanced moveset for the game and Claymores bless it with a +50/50 attack that make Kyosuke a complete monster>ImpactAlteisen is not as good as it was in Compact 2 but is still a workhorse unit in Part 1. Riese is fucking insane and has a MAPW. Rampage Ghost if you get it is very powerful but even without it, Alt is still very strong.>OG1Kyosuke route is the easy route because you get an endgame ready unit by Stage 4. Just equip a long range weapon like Boosted Rifle>OG2Alt's weakest performance because you have to wait until when Kyosuke finally unlocks Riese. It's blessed with one of the few FUBs worth getting. Rectangular Launcher/Neo Chakram Shooter are mandatory investments. You will field all the combo attackers for the endgame.>OGsStronger than GBA Alt due to Counter + Revenge + ALL abuse. Revised PP costs benefit him massively.>2nd OGTop tier, he has maximum break>OG MDRelatively weaker than 2nd OG but still good.
>>23854217>Re SeivasQuite possibly the biggest treasure this game had to offer. 10/10 all-around fun guy.
>>23854169R-1 is fine in OG1. T Link Knuckle isnt too expensive and R Formation is like the 2nd strongest attack in the game or something. Its just that Ryusei is massively plot gates.
>>23854199Strong appreciation
>>23854227It's less a Ryusei issue and more a issue with his route making you wait a longass time until he gets his machine, you get the R-1 at chapter 17 which feels ridiculous since you basically start with the Alt.
The 2026 chart.
>>23854231https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCZ1uV7xgmI
>>23854167at least it's not G/10
The works of Tatsuo Sato.
>>23854234Ryusei doesnt get T Link Sword and R Formation until like 30ish when Kyosuke gets Rampage Ghost when the routes merge.
>>23854245That's also a fairly good point. The only real advantage Ryusei gets is the SRX
>>23854141Not being able to hit anything while getting two shotted by a Gouf? Oh ok. I straight up don't use it in impact, but to finish off reals that Gundams have already pegged down, and it is horrible in OGG.
>>23854250I dont really consider OG1's SRX to be an advantage considering that R Formation is very strong and Ryusei/Rai are almost certainly going to be built up as combat pilots since you only have it for like the last 20% of the game.Its just convienient to feed EXP/PP into three pilots at once through boss kills.
>>23854260I dont understand how you can struggle to use the Alt in Impact unless you are just straight up bad at the game.
>>23854262I like putting Rai in other machines. He deserves better than the R2, like a nice Huckebein-008L eventually.
>>23854268>He deserves better than one of one of the strongest units in the entire game that only he can useKekypow
>>23854272I don't even think the R2 is better than the Huckebein Mk. II.
>>23854217ISAMIIIIIIII
What's one thing that happened early in your first SRW game that colored you opinion of a weapon, unit type, or game mechanic?
>>23854282Easy, because of OG2 and just how many enemies have Jamming let me believe missiles are just useless.
Original Licensed Upgrades >>>>>>>> Original characters
>>23854260>Alt has S Rank Land so most of his attacks hit harder than displayed due to Impact's damage calculation quirks>Kyosuke gets Accel/Assault/Focus very early which makes him helpful for LTC strats since he's a competent support attackerYou also made me reopen Impact to double check accuracy mods.>AltSplit Missile +0Heat Horn +30Machine Cannon +20Stake +10Claymore +50Trump Card +0Claymore is stronger than Trump Card because of Impact's calculation shenanigans
>>23854278You can think whatever you want. It doesnt mean that you're right.
>>23854288I'll take flying and better movement over a bit more power any day of the week, and that doesn't even get into it having a better stat spread for him.
>>23854290Flying is overrated.
>>23854291Being able to damage underwater targets is underrated.
>>23854293Oh yeah. J water maps were a pain.
>>23854293Your Water Jet?
>>23854290>>23854293Since we're talking OG1R-2 Powered47002001051600AABA6 MovementAB FieldLand/Water Movement>Huckebein MkII39001601251300AAAA6 MovementG Wall>Huckebein 008L42002201301200SSAS7 MovementLand MovementBunshinWhen R-2 and Huckebein MkII/008L exist together, water terrain practically does not exist. G Wall is a worthless barrier, AB Field is actually relevant against the Balmarians who spam beams and we all know that Bunshin is good.R-2 has a native ALL that the Huckbeins don't have and is also beneficial to Ryusei/Aya's performance since it allows them to use their finisher as well. You lose more than you gain by taking Rai out of the R-2.
>>23854300MkII has land movement as well.
>>23854300There's some water in the final map of OG1.
>>23854302Having the terrain is different from actually having enemies that use it.
>>23854304I'll give you OGs anyway.
>>23854306You're not taking Rai out of R-2 in GBA either because you have less strong units to go around. There is no good reason to take him out in Masaki's Route of 2nd OG and when everyone's together you'd be fucking mad to not field the SRX.MD has deployment space issues, so its easiest to only field Ryusei + Mai/Viletta and then deploy Rai/Aya during the late game as SRX combo fodder. They'll easily catch up.
>>23854293You're supposed to glue an Aqua Jet to Rai's arse the second you get it.
>>23854290You hardly need flying past the point where he gets the R2 Powered parts
>>23854307Go ahead and explain to me why I should put Rai in the regular ass R-2 without Hi-Zol Launcher over the Mk. II with the G-Impact Cannon. When the routes combine there's at least 8 chapters where the R-2 only has Beam Chakram and isn't worth shit. Also, when it does get the Hi-Zol Launcher in OG1 it's still 300 less attack power than G-Impact Cannon and 1100 less than Black Hole Gun. They nerfed the Huckys in OGs.
>>23854313I literally explained why its better to leave Rai in the R-2 in the post that you apparently glossed over for the sake of arguing. Do you need me to reiterate?
>>23854316The only pilot better than him is Leona and that's only if you aren't doing any upgrades at all, because he has Genius. If you give him Attacker he's better than she is. Your point is predicated on you using every single real pilot, mine is based on what's good.
>>23854313You're fielding more than like 3 units and you can give the huckebeins to Leona/Lat/whoever but R-2 is Rai only and it would be a waste of a solid enough unit even before it gets the full weapon list. You can pass him an upgraded rifle for a few chapters until he gets the launchers if you want. Only reason not to would be if you were playing totally blind and blew a bunch of cash on the Shutzwald's cannonsAnd as always the games are not hard in the slightest so this is just extreme autism. If you like Rai but hate his super fridge do whatever.
>>23854313OGs also nerfed R Formation which is R-2's real finisher by gutting its range from 1-5 to 1-3 lmao>>23854317>Using what's good>Lat/Leona have to settle for the Wildrauptier and 009 during the midgame instead of Lat getting to leverage her inherent support attack on the MkII for superior overall damage
>>23854199Love me some Devo Getter
I would love to have sex with lamia
>>23854320Leona should be in the R-Gun.
>>23854326Rio actually uses the R Gun better because she learns Drive for Turn 1 Metal Genocider and OGs gives her access to Earn. I do understand not wanting to use Rio tho.The simple fact of the matter is that parking Rai in the MkII/008L has a knock on effect on several other pilots because OG1 is a game of musical chairs with several viable pilots but limited space for good units. You'd be surprised as how much adding the Armorlion made life easier in OGs.
>>23854332A Driver works too. Even Katina can, she actually doesn't have a Melee or Range bias in her stats. Trade-off there between more damage or convenience.
>>23854336Unless you have a massive bias in one direction (10+), the impact of stats in damage is not worth worrying over. I didnt realize that Tetsuya in J had slightly worse melee than range until when a JP video brought it up.
>>23854337It just doesn't matter to her. Her range and melee are dead even.
is it just me or does Kira hit like a toothpick in YI feel like anything besides Barrage does marshmallow damageand even Barrage is nothing to write home about
>>23854344Its just you. Moving on.
>>23854344I'm always surprised by his damage, it's probably mostly Final Coordinator fudging the numbers. He shouldn't use anything other than Barrage and maybe the combos for sure though.
>>23854351I feel like I remember him hitting way harder in V, but everyone did crazy damage in that game so maybe enemies are just tankier now
>>23854353Certainly enemies are vastly tankier than they were then. I'm playing 10 upgrades Master, I haven't especially invested into Kira other than the normal Gunfight +4 and Attacker pilot skills and I find he usually has enough power to one-shot even the beefier 15k+ HP mooks with Barrage.
>>23854157Kyosuke's route is easier because it gives you Alt and Weiss almost right away as well as a bunch of other decent unique robots fairly early and the route is mostly set in space where terrain isn't much of an issue. Meanwhile you spend Ryusei's route with a ton of water maps where most of your guys are struggling and you have mostly grunts and planes until the very last few stages with Cybuster and the Grungust as the only ones that can do any decent damage. You don't get the R1 until the route is nearly over. Maier is also way easier in his battleship than Bian in his Valsion which needs to have all it's EN drained or used up to do any damage to.And the second half of the game is easier because while everything on Ryusei's route up to that point is going to get benched, Kyosuke's you've had most of those units from the start and have been upgrading them
>>23854357im playing only 5 upgrades Experrt with no Gunfight or Infight Maybe I should just spam barrage then, I always feel like its a bit of a shame when a character has a ton of moves but most of em do nothingMaybe the Callidus and the Dragoons should do a little bit more damage
>>23854362His MAP is still worth spamming in the right circumstances, easy to set-up if you bring an Assist with Press. It just softens up so much stuff which will make it easy for everyone else to come in and one shot.
>>23854225when do you first get the boosted rifle
>>23854366Definitely by the combined route but I remember there being one very early that I'm not sure about. Either way you're using a Photon Rifle or something.
>>23854362With how much extra armor stuff has in Expert on Y, attacks below like 5k might as well not exist>>23854366R-1 comes with one, forget if Kyosuke gets access to one earlier. You can steal a railgun off of Ryoto/Leona's unit earlier than that on both routes I think though.
>>23854360If we're talking endgame viable units>KyosukeAlteisenWeissritterHuckebein MkIIGiganscudoR-Gun>RyuseiR-1GrungustCybusterWildschwein*Wildraputier*Huckebein 009*Wildschwein isn't as good anymore in OGs thanks to Armorlion taking its spot. The other Wild is more of a hand me down that eventually becomes Garnet's ride and the 009 is only viable in the long term if you give it the Graviton Rifle/Shishioh Blade.
>>23854353>>23854357Y nerfed weapon upgrade bonuses into the ground compared to V (not sure it was a game between them and Y is just carrying that though).
>>23854372The Wildschwein did get buffed a bit from OG1 to OGs, getting S ground and Pierce and 200 more power. It's actually a serviceable machine start to finish but I do agree that it doesn't make the cut next to the Armorlion and many other suits, so you'd only really use it if you like it. I find Bullet works really well in it in OGs1.
>>23854379It's basically a consolation prize for a pilot who would want a melee super robot but you ran out of seats
>>23854364Oh yeah, his MAP is great, no complains there, I was talking about his single target damage>>23854370>>23854373Thats what I was getting at mostly, Suletta and Daba have atleast 2 moves that deal pretty good damageWith Kira its barrage or bust until you get Combination or Meteor
>>2385433710 is already massive?
>>23854231Reminder this is the equivalent of a GM for machina and Moritsugu still washes literally everyone in the series with it
>>23854260Riese is the strongest it's ever been in OGG so I think you're just retarded.
>>23854387Range/Melee in the formula is just a multiplier, a 5 point swing can be 10%~ more damage in the early-game before considering the opponent's Defense which directly reduces it, then gets less valuable as the game goes on and you approach higher stat totals. It also depends on how you spend your PP since for damage after Attacker the most efficient thing you can do is pump a stat. +10 at 200 is 10% damage again. Practically speaking you're not going to end up with a 2x multiplier after accounting for enemy's defense though so it could be more like 20%.
>>23854320No, the range is the same at 1-3, what actually happened is they made it non-P.
I'm pretty sure Katina has a ranged pilot build in OG1
https://xcancel.com/seishun_dendeke/status/2042168892391666160#mhttps://xcancel.com/seishun_dendeke/status/2042224427140808944#mhttps://xcancel.com/seishun_dendeke/status/2043006071057584303#m
leona my belovedI always use her in every OG
>>23854397Nice pits.
>>23854387Morale and your attack stat are thrown together at the same part in the calculation so +10 in a stat is effectively the same as having +10 starting morale for your damage. Not many pilots in units where it would matter have a gap of like 20+ between their attack stats, and in OG most pilots are pretty balanced.
>>23854399Very based, Leona's pretty alright
>>23854394Doesn't matter, still stuffing her in the red Grungust.
>>23854403LEOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAI LOVE YOU!!
https://xcancel.com/alt_on/media
>get direct kill with sword>grunt gets cut in half and explodes>animation ends>undamaged grunt explodes a second timeWhy is this still happening? Is nobody in Japan bothered by this?
>>23854397EF 3 Soon, i can feel it in my bones
>>23854411The budget is literally made of shoes.
>>23854098Or maybe, just fucking maybe, the staff wanted to play it safe in case they got the opportunity to do something with DLC. This is why I call your ramblings a conspiracy, it's assuming some sort of malicious intent instead of the more simple explanation. They adapted nearly all of Season 1 and stopped short of the Earth Witches, just in case they were going to use them later in DLC. Almost everything else you've listed had a finished series before Y was likely finalized, and to top it off Shin wasn't a game that was guaranteed to get DLC like Y because the very concept didn't exist when Shin was made. Take off the tinfoil hat.
>>23854409cute
>>23854392PP to stats depends on how expensive it is. For example, when its +4 to stat, its way better than Infight/Gunfight but you still take them due to the secondary bonuses. Its also complicated if you account for combo attack calculations in the OG games where Infight/Gunfight in most instances double dip.Eg 3000 base, 4500 combo can become 3050 base, 4625 combo.
>>23854411I miss the time when almost everything had dynamic kills, was it around the time of W again? Now enemies just pop back unscathed after you just destroyed them together with the galaxy.
>>23854411They made those death animations and you are gonna watch them damn it
>>23854414I don't know, it seems like every time something is suspiciously off and people claim something is up something usually is. See the Huck case in OG (even if it's been somewhat resolved now) amongst other stuff
>>23854418Handheld team did tons of dynamic killsOG has some attacks that fade out during the explosion but otherwise the animation doesn't actually changeMainline just did whatever the fuck
>>23854417I forgot this but OG GBA also has mech armor rolled in with pilot defense so it can get a lot more complicated. They did end up streamlining the formula later to have Armor directly deal with damage.
>>23854422I like my funny big numbers as much as the next guy but I wish I could understand how combat math works without needing to look up formulas for it.
>>23854420You are tilting at windmills.
>>23854424In the modern games it actually is pretty close to that. You have the value of the attack against the enemy's armor which then gets multiplied by stats + morale, multiplied again by damage dealt and I think there's also a final damage dealt.
>>23854424a few years ago a google spreadsheet to calculate every damage formula in the series was floating around, maybe someone still has itotherwise, JP wiki
>>23854424Most of the series since Alpha Gaiden has been some variation of this, there's some weirdness in a few games due to terrains getting used differently or buggy shit but((Attack + Morale) / 200) * Weapon Attack Power * Weapon Terrain Mod = Total Power((Defense + Morale) / 200) * Armor * Unit Terrain Mod = Total Defense(Total Power - Total Defense) * Final Multipliers (i.e. Size difference, Defending, Blocking, Attacker, Ace bonuses, etc) = Total Damage before barriersTerrain mods are S = 1.1x, A = 1.0x, B = 0.9x, etc
>>23854431Looking at it this way, it doesn't really look complex.
>>23854418I miss when units like Revrius and Strike Freedom had dynamic kills for most if not all of their attacks.Helped showcase how powerful the suits were.
>>23854436It's a bit easier to read if you don't try to shove the whole formula into one statement yeah. Most of the weirdness comes from how many unique skills get thrown around. In the older games morale is a direct multiplier instead of being added to your stats so 50 morale = 0.5x and 150 = 1.5x, which is why damage numbers can hit the game's display limits so easily when you start throwing Daunt and Spirit around.
>>23854442HD was a mistake
>>23854431looking at this im reminded a lot of people dont know morale impacts how much damage you doremember anons, always daunt the bosses
>>23854454Tell us something we don't know
>>23854461There is any shred of hype around Snowball Earth. I'm surprised too.
>>23854466I feel like no one is talking about the show which is a shame since its really good
>>23854474They talk about it on /a/, I don't get why the people posting here that watch it don't just talk about it too.
>>23854475Side effect of /m/ being as dead as it is even relative to /a/ which has slowed down quite a bit
>>23854481It won't revive out of nowhere.
>>23854474>>23854466What's really good about Snowball Earth?
>>23854475>>23854481I feel like the only shows /a/ is talking about this season are the already famous ones like Re:Zero and that one yuri about drinking
https://twitter.com/JAZZ_JACK_/status/2053113429590999331
>>23854192What do you mean they have the identical for portions as done by the artist. GGG is a very stout boi. He's unlike most supers that are squished in SRW, they kind of just give him a bigger head.
>>23854528I just don't like how thin the forearms are.
>>23854403Was she always this curvy?
>>23854532No that's just Watanabe's slampig style
>>23854536that's not even watanabe
>>23854528>He's unlike most supers that are squished in SRWWho are the other exceptions?
>>23854203>the shit proportions are actuarry for hamhanding them>the holes are for modularity rike our diacronReal carny shit.
Imagine having sex with Katia Grignard
>>23854614Okay now what?
>>23854459To be fair only matters when you're playing NUR and trying to squeeze out as much damage as you can>>23854413It's a design choice. Sometimes an attack gets extra animation if it kills and it shows the enemy exploding normally. I think this is just an autism thing, I never thought about it until I saw anons mentioned it.
>>23854286I have no idea why trump card is even a thing. It only has one ammo, one range, and non post movement to boot.
>>23854649In IMPACT? Its a funny meme move that you use to conserve ammo on the Claymores if the situation happens to arise. Aerial Claymore however is actually good though, since by the time you get Riese, you can easily turn it into a 4 Ammo attack
>>23854614OR you can choose someone better like Az...
I have no idea who started the "Axel's hostility towards Lamia was toned down in PS2 OG to be more like his A self" meme because he still looked down on Lamia when he's the good guy.
>>23854596Getter 3, Boss Borbot, Nuns VF17s, ofc GFG
>>23854709that's because Lamia as the rival doesn't actually have a sense of self and is just a good little doll that only follows orders
>>23854709There's a difference between YOU FUCKING USELESS DOLL and, man you're just following orders huh.Remember, they basically made up Echidna to fill the roll that rival Lamia had.
OG2 Axel is just a dickhead for no reason to even Vindel and Lemon
Ban Zetarager. He is actively hurting the board culture.
>>23854827What does he have against Zeta Gundam?
>>23854740Imagine accomodating and investing everything for a "Lamia canon protag rule" including making an evil Lamia stand in only for people to care about Axel a lot more
>>23854005>Maybe they saw the whole "Destiny is better in SRW than the original!" and want to avoid that situationWhy don't they want SRW to make the G-Witch story better? Are they stupid?
>>23854845Why do you think they made Lamia terrible and useless in every game after OG2 GBA.
>>23854461Rai piloted Koryuoh
>>23854845What a failed Push
>>23854845Axel and Lamia are both fairly well liked characters. Its just that more people will logically talk about Axel more because his OG2 self is a blatant case of character assassination.
It's just really weird that they first intended to kill off one of the MCs in a game for OG, and for a while they had them both killed.
>>23854853>Are they stupid?They made G-Witch, so yes
>>23854881Well they didn't plan a continuation until they went back for OGs later
>>23854881Axel died in OG2 GBA.Lamia survived the OG OVA with the Bartolls.IIRC OGs made Lamia's fate ambiguous at the end of OG2.5 but everyone knew that it was just a teaser for a longer game.Then OGG gave us access to Axel/Alfimi. If they really wanted to be more accurate to R, then Axel or Alfimi would have been the better fit for the Master Asia subsitute given that they were already dead but I guess it was easier to pick a random pilot who was already captured anyway.>>23854853>>23854005>>23854892This is just baseless conjecture because the main writer for G-Witch is also the main writer for series that have already been in SRW. They just didn't do much with them because they only decided to adapt up to the duel with Shaddiq since that was finished during development and everything else after that was based off a loose script. Additionally, modern SRW games tend to be more accurate to first time debuts compared to older games.
>>23854902Nah it wasn't ambiguous, Jurgen blasted the Riese's hands off while it was holding Lamia
>>23854902Drool is going to keep pushing this conspiracy until someone else falls for it.
>>23854892hi Duel
>>23854902I like when srw changes or mixes plots. Make Quiet Zero and the Angel Halo the same, hell blame it on The Claw even. That shits fun
Okay. Maybe next game, when they bring back Devil Axis.
>>23854921Are you really dumb enough to believe the "lesbos" here you are so scared of actually think this?
>>23854921The ending was rushed, and it promissed way more in that ep0 than it delivered, but i had fun, 6/10 a million times better than Gquuuux' Uc wankery and dogshit /m/ design at least. Also add Norea and Sophie plz
>>23854845Did they think or expect her to be the more popular of the two. Even then I feel like Kyosuke was the main character of A's plot in OG more than she was.>>23854881>>23854893Plus, A didn't spare the rival character either, did it?
>>23854919You wish, retard
>>23854938Kyosuke's not the main character of the A plot in OG. Neither Vindel nor Lemon make that big of a deal about him, its just Axel who makes it his mission to defeat Kyosuke (and the rest of the Steel Dragons) before they get too strong and they lose again.Vindel is too busy plotting behind the scenes while trying to restore XN and so he wants Gilliam to use him as the core while Lemon's goal is to see how her children (Wodan/Echidna/Lamia) develop. Excellen is a curiosity on the side since they're alternate dimension versions of the same person.
>>23854945>almost 200 hours of 30my condolences
Why is SRW so ugly now?
>>23854951I enjoy SRW, theres nothing to feel bad for.Just because I don't like, and even hate, some stuff that gets in doesn't mean I don't play and enjoy the games.
SRW 30 and Y are crazy good games.
>>23854957>30thanks for the laugh>Ythat's right
I feel like no one cares about the Nintendo DS games. They're not bad...right?
>>23854957The inclusion of lesbians was a nice touch.
>>23854964They are pretty bad.
>>23854964People love W.
Fuck off Drool
>>23854964K and L have nice animations at least
>>23854938Outside of Kyosuke being Axel's rival, OG Lamia's scenes were 1:1 to the A version. The two protagonists don't have a rivalry relationship originally anyway.
>>23854968GoLion sucks
Do you get some kind of sick sexual thrill over people hating you?
hello /srwg/ do you like model kits and what is your favorite? i just got my grail kit, the structure arts buriki daioh and i'm a little too afraid of fucking it up to actually build it
>>23854854Gameplay wise? She's good. Cheap strike, cheap attacks, low morale req, Sky A in Super Sky B Wars, confuse twin, and they turned mirage sign into fuujinsen. In a game where everyone is nerfed, she gets a bunch of buffs.
>>23854974What sucks about Golion?
>>23854938>Did they think or expect her to be the more popular of the twoI mean...https://youtu.be/ZOuFqlurgh4
>>23854983There isn't much you can irreversibly fuck up on a kit thanks to the magic of putty and paintAnd if its color separated properly already all you really need is nippers and some sanding sticks (or a glass file) to come out looking decent
>>23854974It's design is awesome and that's enough for me to accept it's presence in W.
>>23854956>Just because I don't like, and even hate, some stuff that gets in doesn't mean I don't play and enjoy the games.That's a concept lost around here
>>23854983I got the Godannar moderoid and I'm really taking my time waiting to start it.
>>23854985It's not male lions
>>23851032What do you expect? She wasn't designed with that.>>23851074>they turn her into a goofy goober in 2nd OGs because muh DTD.What does that even mean?
>>23855003Axel does a soft reboot on her and that brings back her random speech impediment for some reason
>>23855003Nigga replying in whatever thread he wants.
>>23854397>photographed>not scannedWhy they do this?
>>23855009Didn't Lemon keep that in on purpose in OGs?
>>23854996They're mountain lions.
>>23854984Its just a shitposter. Lamia is consistently a solid pilot in every game and she even has one of the best ace bonuses in MD.
>>23855010The other thread was already maxed out; posting there would've been pointless.
>finished DLC1>line reminded me of thishttps://youtu.be/PeihcfYft9w&t=34
>>23855038Also, what's up with the cat? Shouldn't it be gone now?
>>23855003Her original cut ins was her tits swaying like papaya with her nipples puffed up. Her new cut ins is a random silly gesture because lamia now has DTD mode randomly activated like aschen.
>>23855080It has nothing to do with her voice malfunctions, it's just a different animation. And her tits still swing all over.
>>23855093Anon... that's not her voice malfunctioning, DTD affects her personality too. You can see it when using Vysaga and she suddenly turns into Aschen in koujinsen. I'm not replying until you play the games or look up the lore on japanese wiki.
https://srw.wiki.cre.jp/wiki/%E3%83%A9%E3%83%9F%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BB%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B4%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B9>DTDW07にも搭載されていた強制的にオーバーヒートを引き起こす特殊なコードで、前述のコードATAを含めたありとあらゆる命令よりも高い優先度を持つ。本人が意図的に起動したことはない。はっちゃけた先輩の姿を見ているので、今後もよほどのことがないと使わないと思われる。 オーバーヒートが中枢神経を焼き切ってしまう温度になる直前に安全装置が働き、全コマンドごとリセットするという機構を有している(人格に影響はない)。この安全装置は外部から神経が焼き切れるギリギリの熱量を叩き込まれると「DTDが限界まで稼働している」と判断し、誤作動を起こしてDTDの起動即終了という事態を引き起こす。 アクセルはこの特性を活かして、デュミナスの呪縛と起動寸前のATAをリセットし、ラミア本人に後遺症を残さずに救出する事に成功している。 語源はコードATA同様、キリスト教の葬儀の祈祷文“Earth to earth; ashes to ashes, dust to dust.”「土は土に､灰は灰に､塵は塵に」の一節から｡
https://twitter.com/G1_BARI/status/2053036407967621320
>>23855040Every DLC story in Y has some kind of cliff hanger at end. None of them have gotten follow ups so far.
>>23854421>>23854418on the flipside, shuffle alliance is now a dynamic kill
>>23854964W and L are talked alot wdym
30 year old franchise killed by lesbians.
>>23855267Yet, you're still here, but I guess you need something to cry about now that Gridman and Magic Knight Rayearth are gone.
Lesbians saved SRW though.
Reminder that the motherfucker whining about the series becoming woke loves Gushing over Magical Girls.
You cool with male homosexuals?
>>23855283Me in the back.
>>23855267And why should we listen to you of all people when even a AI of all things tells that your taste in anime is absolute shit?https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/287969651/#288000946
>>23855346>Shits on G-Witch but loves Metallic Rogue, Seed Destiny and RozeExcuse me?
>>23855267>Confirmed Homosexual Duel who doesn't even play SRW or watch Anime projecting as usual
I still refuse to believe that 5D realm thing isn't a bit; I have to reject the notion of anyone being that legit deluded for the sake of my sanity.
>>23855267>killedbut Y did great?
>>23855040>>23855172i'd be totally down for an OG last DLC, bring the SRX back
>>23855385May I return for an OG DLC in Y?
>>23855388oh for sure, the geminion ray still looks great, I was just replaying tengoku the other day
>>23855372Your Forgetting Chris Chan and his Dimensional Merge Delusions exist anon.Duel has cemented himself as the CWC of /m/ and the Captain Earth squirrel is his Sonichu
>>23855401>>23855372Wow and I thought Clawshrimpy was the height of insane /m/ posters.
>>23854985Golion's flawed but solid like most older Super Robot shows. It's main problem is it's main plot doesn't really have much to do with most of the actual leads or the robot.
>>23854964K’s the best of them.W sucks.
>>23855442What makes K the best DS game?
Looking back at the MP Nu showing up in Gundam Hathaway's Flash 2, I want to remind people that the MP Nu somehow appeared in some games in SRW, like Alpha 3. Considering the novels followed the Beltorchika timeline and the movie trilogy follows the CCA movie (in a dream, I imagined the "canon" UC has Bright become the next Mafty after his son's execution, joining Gigi and Kenneth in the rebellion to prove a point to the Federation that they're as radical as Zeon to the point of being irredeemable), I want them to bring back Hathaway's Flash someday, but following the movie plot.
>>23855443Best cast list mostly.
>>23854964They're all solid. W's considered one of the best SRW games period.
>>23855388>BOOOOOOO>BOOOOORING>YOU GOT RAPED, YOU GOT RAPED
>>23854964W and L are two of the greatest games in the franchise's history
>>23855388Only if legs comes with
>>23855475>LIt's a short game, and half of it is just K again but without any cool addition like going from J to W. I think most of their attention was put into making sure the twin system works correctly.
>>23855512Gaiking the Great not bottoming out its EN in two turns was enough of an upgrade for me.
>>23855528Max EN + 100 EN part part changes Despair Sight from 12 shots to 15Giga Puncher Grind also go from 7 to 9Which are the main anti mook weapons.If you teach Daiya E Save then that changes to 19 and 11 shots.Unless you plan on having Daiya solo literally everything, the EN efficiency isn't THAT bad relative to what K has to offer. If you're going down that route, then get the -20% EN Cost custom bonus and add an EN Regen part (like the Timeflow Engine from NG+2 or R in the 2nd item slot)
>>23855566GtG in K guzzled EN like a motherfucker, in L you could use it for the rest of the map after draining the boys of EN before fusing them.
>>23855378he only thinks Y killed 30 because the WEEK 1 Physical Sales of Y in Japan were lower than 30's.Ignoring the fact that 30 was PS4/Switch while Y was PS5/Switch and the Week 1 Physical Switch sales numbers were about the sameand combined the week 1 sales of Y were the highest of the week, beating out the MGS3 remake
>>23855568I know that K's GTG has high EN costs, after all its a unit with a bunch of finisher class attacks and K makes you pay finisher class prices in response. (Face Open the Great is like the strongest non combo in terms of base power for reference)What I'm saying is that if you do the basic combination of max en + en part + e save, you can get the thing to a sustainable level because there's no reason to use anything stronger than Giga Puncher Grind on most mooks.L toned down EN costs in general because its harder to massage EN in that one due to the lost of skill parts and FUB bonuses. GtG can still run out of EN if the AI decides to prioritize if and Daiya starts bleeding out EN via barrier.
>>23853973https://exhentai.org/g/3714762/713284addd/?p=6Neige sex
Bring back winky damage formula, it's fun
>>23855275How do I make it past episode 2 of WfM?
>>23854964W was way too easy. Cool OG though.
>>23855628You have to click on episode 3
>>23855388Crowe returns because of VXT and Hibiki's VA being nowhere to be found
What pilot skills do you like in Z2.1? Resolve seems good.
>>23855682Resolve, dash, continuous action. But generally ozma and setsuna are enough for your continuous action needs and the game doesn't really require that kind of high level play.
Bring back Lottie and Velt
>>23855687Continuous Action is a very funny skill because while it is a very strong ability, it can also feel like a wasted slot on a lot of units because either there isn't enough enemies on the map or they don't kill enough for it to actually make a meaningful difference. Especially considering the price.
>>23855682>TerrainsS Land and Space for the units with it inherently can get a lot of mileage across the game. S Sky is fairly useful as well on most pilots with access to it, but I'd recommend skipping that on Ryoma because he gets Shin Getter way too late for it to matter.>SkillsResolve is good on everyone but you can skip it if they have native Battle Spirit or Will + Kill.Dash is a generically good skill on everyone but skill slot constraints in some instances might cause you to skip it. There's no reason to not teach it to everyone in Saisei though.Spiritual Fortitude is surprisingly useful on SR pilots because Hakai loves to spam Jigenjuu at you.If a pilot has native access to Support Attack, they its a good idea to supplement that with Assist Attack. Ryoma/Shinobu/Aoi/Kouji can be taught Support Attack if you need more hands.B Save is good on basically anyone who cares about it but when it comes to E Save, it might not actually be all that useful on some of its recipients.In Crowe's case, just give him a Super Repair Kit.Attack Again is only worth it on Gainer/Cynthia/Chirico on NG. You can technically do it with Akagi but that requires insane planning.Roger wants BlockingIf you have innate Prevail and some spare PP, consider raising it up to 7.Ignore Size goes on S/M sized units that don't have ignore size on their finisherHit & Away has obvious applications.Also, Kallen pilots a S Sized unit but you should build her like a SR. Guren is very tanky.
>>23854991I'll be honest, I do not care for WFM. I think the series and characters are garbage. I also don't really care for Delta. I still enjoyed Y. Tons of ones I did like, like old returning favorites and cool new stuff like Dynazenon. People here are just so fed up with a certain faggot that they just assume anyone that hates them is him. But unlike the retard, I actually play and enjoy these games.
>>23854991Feels strange to someone like me who doesn't care for most Real Robot adjacent stuff, but still generally enjoys SRW regardless of how often your average game has a large portion of the series list be Reals
>>23855792That guy does play the games, and you all are eternally coping and seething over him.So who's the real loser? It's not him btw.
did they remove Kaiser resetting the SP of the Dyna team and Knight?
>>23855890Which SRW have you played, Duel? You keep dodging when we ask you.
>>23855899I think that was in an update with the first DLC
>>23855907thats fair, it was a bit too broken
>>23855512L and K are about the same length. K for some reason just divides lots of it's stages in two to make it seem longer than it really is. L does give alot of things that K held off until near the end of the game, -Legend Gundam, GtG, Kouteushin Jeeg, Blade Gainer and Triple Drive for example- much earlier, although if you are a Kira fan you're out of luck in L.
>>23855926Kira showing up late gives the Akatsuki some time to shine so that's something.
>>23855929They have basically the same screentime in both games since Akatsuki and Strike Freedom show up the same time.
>>23855926No one used Blade Gainer.
>>23855937Wrong, I did
>>23855938I don't believe you.
I know everyone talks about how great Ideon is but can we talk about just how absolutely busted the Imber is? This girl takes NO damage.
>>23855942I ended up benching her, she seemed fine but too short-range for my tastes.
at least 1 participating VA has died shortly after the release of every mainline SRW release starting with V
>>23855961Damn it I thought Japanese people were supposed to live longer than us unhealthy westerners
I'm too poor to pick up the Y expansion right now, is there anything cool to know to hype myself up in the waiting period?
>>23855942I said it once already but its fucked up shes just a straight up upgraded version of the Big OBetter terrain adaptabilities, much tankier, innate barrier, wall instead of persist and she gets Valor AND LoveRoger's only advantage is that he gets a free Crush/Daunt on hit after hes Aced and that Suddent Impact hits harder Fautschlagbut thats only until she gets Double Fautschlag at which point she also hits harder than himyou can do Roger's whole job with a crush and a daunt
>>23855971gigi sexo
>>23855971the did the Ideon BIG justicehe truly feels like an unstopabble god that needs to slowly rev himself up to full power, also Cosmo gets a lot of cute momentsImber is really strong gameplay-wise and Eureka gets a lot of screen time, that can be a good or a bad thing depending on how you feel about Hi-Evonot much to say about the other two, but Takuto gets some cute scenes with AsagiAnge is just kinda there but we get Embryo so its fine
>>23855937I did, in both games.
In case you wonder what's going on with Tose, it seems they have 5 projects currently going on (well, one of those may be in trouble), so the company is still alive somehowThey worked on Tales of Graces f Remastered and it seems they're also on the Persona 4 remakeYou can see it here, pic related is from the 2nd .pdf: https://tose.co.jp/en/ir/library/post.html
>>23855792atleast WFM and Delta are easy to ignoretry hating Dynazenon and them being in like 50% of the cutscenesalso they are grafted to the Getter team like a tumor
>>23856049I get it from the other end. WFM interacts a lot with things I do like so having to deal with them makes me groan too.
>>23856049I feel the same way about the MJP cast.They're all painfully one-note.
I don't think I've ever had a viscerally negative reaction to a show I don't like's characters being involved in a SRW. It's just a chance to see them in a context outside of the less positive instance I encountered them the first time, and see what they're like in other scenarios. I don't think people who do that are coming from an honest place when they make their criticisms.
Finally finished with Y.Was pretty fun, except for the tanky grunt spam in the final stages.
>>23856073Nothing quite filled me with more dissapontment than realizing Asagi doesnt get Full Burst in this game
>>23856079my top ace list looks almost the same sans Ryoma instead of Forte, good one anon
>>23856076Why force yourself to make you like something just because its in SRW? Especially if what you hate about the thing remains.I didn't like Cross Ange the first time I gave it a try, and two SRW didn't make me dislike it any less than I did before V and X.
Enemies are so fucking juiced in expert that I feel like any super that doesnt have persist is at constant risk of getting two-shotted by random grunts
>>23856123 (me)any real*, not super, whoops
>>23856123That eases up later once you can afford skills and shit. Still nice to have support defenders but you don't have to spend the whole game hiding under eight buff auras to survive.
>>23856123Y? It's more balanced than 30's experts, and units with barriers/special defend like SEED gundams and KMFs can still tank for a bit.
>>23855899That bug isn't all positive. If you're on expert and didn't put in any points in sp tree at all, you'll lose sp when combining instead. I had to give up on that challenge run because kaiser gridknight is straight up unusable.
>>23856209oh for sure, Reals where unusable in 30 because they couldnt dodge anything, even prevail 18 Suzaku was barely getting by, 30 was a Supers game through and throughim just saying that Reals with no persist feel REALLY squishy, my Dunbine and Vilkiss keep getting two shot by unlucky stray hits, which is a problem Jeeg doesnt have
>>23856209>>23856230>Disrupt (+Analyze via Ropet or Scouting AoS stuff)>Kei>Command Auras>Prevail>Predict>Certain exploitable supporter effects>Deleting anyone with Chain of Command firstI remember Boss being extremely broken in 30.
>>23856245even when you stacked all of those you where not getting sub 40% hit rates on SEits not that 30 was impossible, it was that 30 was very very skewed towards Supers, which can be a good thing depending on who you are
imagine motorboating lamia's tits
The new games have too many units if you include DLC. A team system could solve this, but those grinding scenarios are nice too.
>>23856288God please I don't care who I have to kill just let me field like 40 units in every mission
>>23856049it's the opposite for me because I like SSSS but I have to put up with getterslop
>>23856288I never touch the grinding stagesJust give me OG or UX style pairs in every game, even without DLC I'd like to use more of the cast and it makes me actually want to use the shows where every unit on the cast is identical in SRW
a secret third japan
>>23856252That's what option parts, spirits and stuff like Tactical Command are for. Yes, Expert/Super Expert are nasty towards RRs because of accuracy scaling faster than evasion, but you can definitely make the higher end reals dodge. Or just focus on zoning enemies out so they don't have to worry about counters anyway.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nWdbBREkP/?spm_id_from=333.1387.list.card_archive.click>Goku in SRW Mod
>>23855972You need to take on account that she consumes way too much energy.Roger has more range with his beam attack and he uses ammo for his strongest attack.Early game on Master Mode Roger is almost mandatory.Also on the spirit commands: Roger has early Bullseye, cheap persist, accel, spirit, pierce and Soul. Al these are way too usefull at the time Roger has them available.Maybe lategame you could argue she's as good or maybe even better than Roger at the lategame but early on Roger is this one of the best units of the game.
>>23856398And it will be underground
>>23856120Games are for entertainment, it's not a fucking job. Either you give those series a chance or you can just skip them.Newfags treat games like a check list they have to 100% no matter what, I blame ubisoft.
>>23856435she just needs some EN parts since she has everything else pretty much covered already>Roger has more range with his beam attack and he uses ammo for his strongest attack.this is true, Roger does have this one advantage>Early game on Master Mode Roger is almost mandatory.i'd say this is his one niche since he comes with sudden impact already unlocked>Roger has early Bullseye, cheap persist, accel, spirit, pierce and Soulshe also has Bullseye and the cheap Persist, hell, her bullseye is cheaper than his, from any angle shes just twice as tanky as him>Maybe lategame you could argue she's as good or maybe even better than Rogershes not "as good" shes just straight up better in every way, tankier, hits harder, better passives and better spirits
Big O can hold onto the Cyclone Booster and A/S Adapter to fix his terrains.Haruka devotes one part slot to help with her EN costs because 70/100 base is extremely expensive.
I'm completely detached from this discussion because with 20 upgrades and a maxed STG you can just spam all attacks you feel like at any range with lv2 E save and just lv1 gunfight and maybe a range part.Stages aren't so drawn out you run out of EN unless your name is like, Jet Jaguar.
>>23856512>she also has Bullseye and the cheap Persist, hell, her bullseye is cheaper than his, from any angle shes just twice as tanky as himShe unlocks the spirit at level 15, Roger has it since level 1 and that on early game is huge.Her tankyness relies too much on energy. You also need the energy to attack. The energy parts that she needs are only available endgame. Early and midgame you would have to rely too much on resupply and reiko level 4 assist.>shes straight up better in every wayShe's only better in defense and offense as long as she has the energy for it and she's a big expender on that regard. And in the end the difference is not that big for all the expending she demands.Roger gets free crush per turn and negotiator drains up morale making him better for fighting bosses than her.>better pasive I have to agree here, while 70% damage reduction shield is great it relies either commiting to defend or RNG. Her barrier is better but once again it relies on energy>better spirits Complete disagree here. Bullseye at level 1 is godlike, accel helps him a lot at reaching enemies, spirit allows him to hit hard since turn 1, Pierce is godlike at mid and late game and Soul allows him to do as much damage as Hakura without spending shitloads of energy.
>>23856553how would you have Reiko early/mid game when she joins literally 3 stages away from the end of the game
>>23856556My apologies, I mean Reika, the girl with the huge rack that restore all your ammo and energy at level 4.
>>23856544By the end of a playthrough you've got enough busted parts and assists to just do whateverA few of the lategame stages I just fed Getter SP for extra turns until the bosses were dead and that was without the infinite Unity loop with the reporter girl
>>23855972Yeah but why would I give a shit about some dumb girl from some moe anime when I can use the guy I watched on Toonami when I was 7 years old and life was so much better and easier?
>>23856553>She unlocks the spirit at level 15, Roger has it since level 1she will already be 15 by the time you get her>The energy parts that she needs are only available endgameyou should have solar panel, energy resistor and zimmerit coat all by early chapter 3, any combination of those 3 works fine since she doesnt get Double Fautschlag till much later>And in the end the difference is not that big for all the expending she demands.yes it is, shes basically unkillable, shes like Tengoku Mazinger if she has enough energy>Roger gets free crush per turnhe only gets that after hes aced, and crush is the easiest command to get in this game since you have Wren since the first stage>Complete disagree hereshe also gets bullseye, and like I said, hers is even cheaper, which is even better since she has to spend less SP to tank since shes so much tankier by default AND she has better accuracy, so shes gonna get to use Valor more often than Roger is gonna get to use Soul>Soul allows him to do as much damage as Hakura without spending shitloads of energy.if you need to use Soul to matcfh up to Haruka then youre doing my argument for me, its much harder to regenerate SP than it is to regenerate EN>>23856617im not saying you shouldnt, im saying they did roger super dirty in this game, I just replayed Tengoku the other day to refresh my memory and Roger weas leaps and bounds stronger in that game
has anyone tried to do a non-STG memory playthrough?how misserable is it
>>23856624>she will already be 15 by the time you get herRoger joins up earlier which just helps the argument more.Exp gain in master mode is tedious so for her to join at level 15 you would have to wait a while, meanwhile Roger helps you beating the early game to get to that point.>she will already be 15 by the time you get herToo much investement on a unit, Roger doesnt require this much specific caring to work as intended.You could argue Haruka benefit most from these items but that comes at the cost of other not getting those items.>yes it is, shes basically unkillable, shes like Tengoku Mazinger if she has enough energyShe's the best tank in the game with enough energy, yes, but requires too much investment on one unit.>he only gets that after hes aced, and crush is the easiest command to get in this game since you have Wren since the first stageGetting the ace rank is something every unit do at midgame so that's a non issue. And while you do get a Crush early it still cost you assist gauge. Roger gets it for free + negotiator reduces morale. You can use those 2 assist meter gauge on something else.>she also gets bullseye, and like I said, hers is even cheaper, which is even better since she has to spend less SP to tank since shes so much tankier by default AND she has better accuracy, so shes gonna get to use Valor more often than Roger is gonna get to use SoulMy argument with Bullseye is that he gets it as early as it get while Haruka has to wait to be level 15 in a mode were you get low exp.Mid and Late game of course her Bullseye is better but as i stated before: I take early availabity on count on rating units.The raw accuraccy is rarely an issue since the difference is not that relevant, both are gonna rely on bullseye as much.Soul is still better than Valor and of course Roger will rely on that since he gets that naturally.Everyone agrees that is better having Soul than Valor.
>>23856640Probably easy enough on difficulties below expert, besides weapon attack value I don't think STG took anything from you
>>23856678the exp pass characters already join kinda late, not that big of a deal>Too much investement on a unit, Roger doesnt require this much specific caring to work as intended.this is an insane thing to say when all she really needs is a resistor and a E tank to solve most of her issues, which arent particularly good pieces or hard to getmeanwhile Roger needs ATLEAST an A-Adapter and a booster not to be a complete waste of space, plus some kind of a armor since, like I said, he really isnt very tanky when not defending>Getting the ace rank is something every unit do at midgame so that's a non issue.by that point you should also have a lot of other pilots with crush, its not THAT big of a deal>Soul is still better than Valor and of course Roger will rely on that since he gets that naturally.she also gets Love, which is more SP efficient than having to cast Bullseye, Persist and Soul>I take early availabity on count on rating units.and I agree hes somewhat better early (shes tankier, he hits slightly harder before she gets her finisher), but from chapter 5 onwards she might as well be a Big O upgrade
>>23856780Speaking of the A-adapter, it feels so weird that it can let a unit fly like a flight module. Has any other SRW ever done this?
>>23856780>but from chapter 5 onwards she might as well be a Big O upgradeThere's like 100 hours of gameplay before that happens.
>>23856780Boosters are not hotly contested in Y and on Terrestrial maps, he can also use the parts that adjust your weapon terrains as well. The A Adapter is a low effort part choice (same goes for JJ) because you dont have to remember to swap to Thruster Modules in space.
>>23855962They are, mecha related VAs are just generally old as fuck because they don't make as many new mecha shows anymore.
Wonder if Miyano had fun voicing Takuto, since he's acting his ass off here in Y. All those recording sessions going "TRANS-AM RAISER" really helped him do shouty roles well.
>>23856953I don't think so, the new engine probably doesn't separate between movement type and terrain rating.
>>23857059Aren't there still some B air units that can fly by defaultThey probably just didn't bother making the parts behave differently
>>23857069Usually the G Gundam dudes all have B in air despite being able to fly natively.
>>23857072I think B Air and innate flight was a handheld thing. I remember Domon in some of the other games being purely grounded.
