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>>23861957>treating it as Sentai internallyFeels good to be on sentai rebranding-side
>>23862765>Gavan's beating off Reiwa Sentaiwhat the fuck
>>23862766Because this type of boys series needs to exist for bandai to keep the nichiasa time slot and bandai doe snot have the budget allocation to change the whole PLEX design team scheme for what is essentially the sentai timeslot stillThats why the toys are still just sentai toys.
Ayame Misaki needs to have a new sex scene.
Here’s hoping Omegahorn will change the tide
Who's holding the camera
>>23862913me
>>23862772Not especially
https://twitter.com/toeiHERO_movie/status/2054033828038205581
>>23863023Setsuna's hardcore about staying in-character huh.
>>23862984>>23862992>>23862913You need to go back ñ
Only 10 episodes left to go.
>>23863064Crazy to think Gavan Infinity is about to end in a couple months.
>>23863066Did they released the ratings?
>>23863071Ratings can give you an estimate as to how the show is doing, but with so many ways to watch, streaming, download etc. it is hardly accurate.
>>23863066Toku shouldn't be long anyway, especially the ones in the past decade.
>>23863126I don't get what's up with this retarded reasoning, Ultraman isn't a half-year show because their staff wants to
>>23863126Well RED is one show with arcs, Gavan’s arc ends in july and gets to hangout with Omegahorn. The show doesn’t technically end
>>23863202Why are you using a reasoning that Toei, the people that are making these shows, disagree with?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjYWdB2o5AgHere's your 51st Sentai
>>23863214Out of curiosity I want the original writer of Code Gueass to do a toku just to see how he'd fare off, he's probably the most inconsistent writer I know of
>>23863131>Ultraman isn't a half-year show because their staff wants toI'm pretty sure that's exactly the case though. For all their blind fans, they know how much work and the hellish schedule it'd be to actually fill a full year timeslot. Note how in spite of only airing for half a year, they still also have a bunch of recap episodes every time within that supposed "half year of new show".
>>23863131NTA but it seems more fitting for the media landscape and the production/monetization of modern toku.People's attention spans are getting increasingly short. It is admittedly harder to get into a franchise if every series is 50 episodes.The bulk of toy sales tend to be clustered around the first couple quarters. Forcing in a ton of upgrades is kind of a band-aid solution to maintain consistent sales.Seems like writers are often struggling with 50 episodes. There's an increasing tendency of shows to have a period of dragging in the middle.I personally could see shorter seasons a potential net positive, both financially and narratively. It'd be bittersweet but if the choice is between 25 episode seasons and cancellation the move to support would be the pivot instead of the stoppage.
>>23863237Ohkubo (or whatever his name is) is actually very consistent; consistently shitty when he doesn't have someone far more talented above him in the pecking order like Taniguchi or Tomino
>>23863059go back where
>>23863237>wrote G-Wtich and Grendizer UHow about no?
>>23863242They do that because they lack budget after being sold off twice, it's why before they were just fine making shows that lasted a whole yearThey managed to earn a bit of budget after Ginga but they decided to take a half year break and spend said budget on visuals and then to compensate for not airing a show by having a way cheaper web show for the other half other yearBut in Toei's case they aren't struggling financially so they don't need to take a year break with Rider, they could take a break with Sentai/RED since they are financial sinkholes but since they aren't taking breaks between shows like Ultraman that basically renders the half-year length to be pointless >>23863252>Seems like writers are often struggling with 50 episodes. There's an increasing tendency of shows to have a period of dragging in the middle.Kiramager, Donbrothers and King-Ohger did just fine, and in the case of Rider only Zero-One has this issue from the Reiwa era, the issues from everything else stems from other issues unrelated to this, and 40+ episode anime are doing mostly fine, only Ghost Game comes to mind where the writer had a breakdown due to its length but Ghost Game was long even by Digimon standards lasting a year and a halfAlso keep in mind that Ultraman doesn't see much growth despite the half year length it just stays stable, since Rider is doing just fine financially there's absolutely no need for them to cut the shows info half and would make shows do worse since they always promote it as a franchise where each season goes alongside a kid's school year
>>23863292SOVL
>>23863252You act as if we didn't know exactly why Toei shows have been struggling narratively as of late with the exception of Boonboomger where they weren't public about anything.
>>23863292Why don't they do anime crossovers more often like picrel?
>>23863278Ultraman’s revenue has been tanking since the toyline is kinda not appealing anymore.
>>23863310Omegahorn x Digimon Beatbreak, coming soon
>>23863278Aside from the 90s shows, they always production problems keeping full year series though. Later episodes were often noticeably cheap. Now that they were freed from that burden, they likely don't want to return there. Like I said, it's not even just half year shows, even within that half year you have a bunch of recaps so the production is even smaller than that. And they actually increased the number of recaps while sales were still growing.>Also keep in mind that Ultraman doesn't see much growth despite the half year length it just stays stable,Ultraman was constantly growing when they had the shows interconnected with appearances of past heroes and using their powers by the current hero. But then they stopped doing that because that's not how the first three Showa Ultra series were (the ones most loved by fans), and immediately halted their growth and now a few years later sales are falling.I'd guess that New Gen effect Tsuburuya threw away for nostalgia is the effect Toei is hoping for with Project RED and all the talk about the shows being connected. They probably hope the past heroes still being relevant in the next shows will get both new people joining in with a new series and fans of the old series sticking to see their hero in new adventures.
The Gavan trio.
>>23863330Actually even during the 90s and before they've been having lots of production issues giving further support to your point, since when accounting to actors' schedule and whatever outside issue might happen to actors or japanese society has big effects with live-action shows which makes it harder to account for when a shoe last a whole yearBut you're also dismissing my point, if Project R.E.D shows are half year length yet they release back to back it completely defeats the point of a half year season, if they aren't going to take breaks I'd rather each show be year long which luckily so far seems to be what they'll do from Omegahorn onward, since making shows last a whole year doesn't prevent seasons from being interconnectedBut now that you bring it up I really wonder if it will be like New Gen Ultra, Shirakura compared Project R.E.D to Gundam and Marvel which is confusing because both handle interconnected worldviews really different The following is me moving the goslpost but Ultraman being half year long didn't help shows narratively since seasons from Ginga onward are generally worse than 90s and 00s Ultraman, but I'll also admit that the shows being worse isn't the fault of the half year length and the upcoming Teo might actually make proper use of the length at least from what we've seen so far?
>>23863252RED is gonna have the same amount of episodes per year thanks to airing two seasons unlike Ultraman, if you're watching it as it's currently airing there's no difference in terms of commitment meaning the attention span argument doesn't make sense.
why are we jumping the gun when we have no idea how many episodes omegahorn will have yet?
>>23863374Theorizing is fun and no-one really has much of anything they want to say about Chou Gavan
If Omegahorn is really half year too I wonder if they still getting a solo movie. Maybe taking over the Sentai VS slot?
>>23863360Commitment is more for a combination of growth and for people who might skip seasons. It's really consistent when someone is trying to get into toku to be put off by the amount of episodes an individual series has, since it's a larger time commitment. It's easier to convince someone to watch two 25 episode series than it is to convince them to watch one 50 episode series, just psychologically. And of course it's even easier to convince them to just watch one of the series and watching one is better than watching none.And there's also just the novelty aspect. Shows being produced with shorter turnaround means they get to take advantage of the higher sales as the show starts up. Also toy lines tend to slow down after bout 6 months regardless, sort of grasp at different ideas on things to sell. There are certainly downsides to a half-year skew for the product line (you can't assume that spending patterns will always be consistent across shows if you swap the model like this) but I imagine the upsides may outweigh them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFM6FElhizc
>>23863324I would actually love to get either that, or Kiki and Koto to do a Futari wa Precure reference since they are already a reference. There's no rights issues with that, and Precure is riding a big wave right now, they absolutely should.
>>23863278> Donbrothers and King-Ohger did just fineanon one of the biggest flaws with Donbrothers is how some of the biggest plot points go nowhere, have a rushed conclusion or very obviously retconned. King-Ohger suffers the same issue as Omori’s other shows where the plot meanders a bit near the end. >>23863330>But then they stopped doing thatThey still do it. Arc had a crossover with Blazar and the current recap special is just Z and Geed meeting every ultra that came after them. They just don’t have the whole “Ultra uses previous hero powers” thing so like a good chunk of the toyline is like the Legend Rider shit. > that's not how the first three Showa Ultra series were (the ones most loved by fans)No. The gimmick reached its hard limit with Z. Trigger and Decker sold well and didn’t use it the same way as the previous series did.
>>23863407You're right in terms of adult psychology but adults aren't the demographic. Kids don't look at TV shows as an investment at all, at the target demo's age they have no idea how long these shows are going to last anyway.
>>23863615But King-Ohger's second half is still really solid even if the show peaked early, it's not like the show suddenly became irredeemable by the second halfIn Donbrothers' case it would have still happened despite the half year length, look at Shougeki Goursigan, since those issues are the writer's fault rather than needing to extend the story, both Inoue and Shirakura care more about the characters and each episode being individually fun than the story which while it isn't necessarily a good thing, it does its purpose to appeal to both children and tokuota which worked in the case for Donbrothers since it was liked by bothI just don't see the value in cutting the length of these shows in half unless they take break between the shows, specially when Jetman to ToQger did just fine under that structure>The gimmick reached its hard limit with ZWasn't the reason they stopped from Blazar onward because their owner Fields changed company structure to a Holdings company giving Tsubaraya more freedom?
>>23863644It works with kids psychology more, to be honest. The largest risk I'd see with shifting to 25 episode shows would be that buying the new stuff at an accelerated pace would be potentially a risk.But for a kid they'd just see the new thing. If a hypothetical kid uses his allowance on one Sofubi of the main hero per show, then releasing more shows converts to that money faster, and means he'd go through more show cycles where he spends a consistent amount on each show before he ages out of toku.Kids also might get really fixated on their favorite thing but in that instance the total episode count often isn't really relevant, especially if they have easy access to reruns. In the social media era it's probably more of a solid plan to get more stuff out there even if it's shorter.
>>23863685That is a completely separate argument from "it's a larger time commitment to enter the franchise." I agree that more shows means more chances they'll click with one but again the time commitment argument is dumb because toddlers do not care about that or the concept of "getting into toku" at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpDQq5vGMrA
>>23863346>But now that you bring it up I really wonder if it will be like New Gen Ultra, Shirakura compared Project R.E.D to Gundam and Marvel which is confusing because both handle interconnected worldviews really differentIt does seem like they will be separate dimensions, with the main protagonists going between them, rather than an actual shared setting. It's why Infinity's gimmick is universe hopping in the first place.
>>23863715Fair. I was thinking in a couple capacities, one where there would be a secondary goal of "making it easier to draw in older or international fans" which Toei seems interested in. May not factor in with their current model but one of the most recurring questions to new audiences outside of the kid demo is picking a "starter" show, the annual model can be intimidating.
>>23863346>a shoe last a whole yearWell, mine usually last longer.joke aside, don't take any comparison to they make to marvel super seriously because it usually means "broadly connected shit" rather than literally doing the MCU with different characters. Sakamoto too wanted to make "japanese MCU" with space squad despite the fact there was already a shared universe of movies and shows(with Spider-man at that).
>>23863813I'm guessing Omegahorn will be a new dimension exclusively to give them wiggle room. If people love the continuity they can just set everything outside of a Build/KingOh type show in the same Omegahorn universe and if they hate the continuity they can just write it off as an Infinity specific thing and have everything be its own universe.
>>23863292This episode was dark as fuck enough for Sentai standards but for Go-Onger it was beyond belief! Shin-chan processing that he could never return back to his cartoon world was nightmarish. To this day I still can't believe they got away with the suicide scene. I guess the idea behind it was that the Go-Ongers had to understand that there were some battles they just could not win, but the ending was too bleak for me.
>>23863214>Female red>Disabled rangerwestern toku """"""fans"""""" will go nuts over this.
>>23864086didnt sougo play a disabled toku hero
>>23864089Yes.
Wonder if Omegahorn will have Kaijuu duels in an external dimension or right in real life?
>tfw discovered too late to feature in a Dino Sentai
>>23864092
First toy pictures from Captain Omegahorn will drop Sunday nightSunday night, if you’re east coast. (Monday Japan time.)
>>23864111But we haven’t got the final train mecha yet…
>>23864106I love DonbrothersThe Shirakura/Inoue/Tasaki trio needs to make a Project R.E.D show
>>23864104outside of brachio they never put a long neck
