Was zeon really in the wrong? All they wanted was independence, can you really blame them?
>>23869166Spacenoids are like rabid dogs, you give em a finger they'll take your whole arm and still ask for more.
Side 3 technically had independence to begin with as the principality of Zeon. It was their decision to begin the war, to attack and kill en masse their fellow spacenoids for whom they purportedly fought, to devastate and invade Earth, etc.
>>23869175It was all done for the sake of freeing the rest of space inhabitants, many of the soldiers believed in their freedom and fought willingly.
>>23869175Keyword: technically. That status came with a delige of economy sanctions. And Federation started to build up their own forces...
>>23869166>Was zeon really in the wrong?Zeon and the Federation were both in the wrong. That's kinda the point.
"No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Federation learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years . . . we will be free."
>>23869244Well yeah, the EF isn't obligated to trade with them or to let them have certain goods. There's a parallel to Imperial Japan there with the scrap and oil embargo they were hit with pre Pearl Harbor.
>>23869263>We will be free... to be ruled over!
>sieg zeonYes, i suppose they were.
https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/23811857
>>23869166>claim to fight for spacenoid independence>their first attack targets are fellow spacenoids
>>23869166This image answers your question.
They were fine until the gassing and colony drop
>>23870257He made an error when he said Side 3 was on the other side of the sun.
>>23869166Independence from what? A federation that pretty much ignored them so they could be rule by literal space nazis. Zeon wasn't just in the wrong, they were absolutely retarded.
>>23869166A murderer that has killed several people only wanted to take the money from their victims to pay for his mother's medical bills.A good cause doesn't give you a reason to genocide a colony and the whole of Australia, even if the Federation deserves it.The point of Gundam and it's factions is that you can have the most legit cause for something good. But it falls short the moment you start involving innocent people in your murder spree.You can even say that those people killed deserve it because the fact that the corrupt Federation still exists after the OYW proves that all their murder and they still couldn't even get the ones that made Zeon push for independence.Also Zeon was hijacked by the Zabis, one of whom was happy to basically kill as many people as he can for personal gain so the cause was more or less doomed for the start because morons like Gato would guarantee the continued hate of spacenoids for years to come.
>>23869783>claim to fight for spacenoid independence >their first attack targets are fellow spacenoidsThe other colony Sides chose to support the Earth Federation forces. They were traitors to the Spacenoid independence movement. Which is hugely IRONIC considering the Colonies realized it was a huge mistake not to support Zeon. We see during Victory Gundam and Turn A Gundam that the Colonies realize the Earth Federation is hopeless and will never change. So they transform their colonies into massive ships and leave the solar system. Zeon was right in the end.
>>23870397>Which is hugely IRONIC considering the Colonies realized it was a huge mistake not to support Zeon. We see during Victory Gundam and Turn A Gundam that the Colonies realize the Earth Federation is hopeless and will never change.No, in Victory, it's the other way around. The collonies WANTED now the Earth Federation back with a strong armada and controlling the overall earth sphere tightly to stop random collonies from attacking each other. The problem they complained about was exactly that the Federation changed.We don't see the context of the war in Turn-A's backstory, just the general reference to wars in the earth sphere never stopping.
>>23870414>Earth Federation security VS Spacenoid independenceYou can't have both. Clearly the colonies were united in Victory and some wanted independence.
>>23870419Only Side 2 wanted that, not even all the colonies are united since Macedonia colony gets bullied by Zanscare.
>>23870419No, the collonies that weren't the Zanscare were complaining about the Federation being useless to stop them.Even on a surface level, the Zanscare were warring to control the world under the spread of their religion tied to their government, "Mariaism".
>>23870257Fucked up when he suggested that civilians on Sides weren't disenfranchised by the nature of Side governance.
>>23870397>They were traitors to the Spacenoid independence movement.If the Sides were being oppressed and had no say in government, how do they support or not support the spacenoid independence movement?
Thanking Abrahamic God that none of you idiots has access to mobile suits or space technology
>>23869166dropping a colony was a little much
>>23869166They were wrong because they lost.
>>23870607And never will…powered armor might be a thing.>>23870610Nah
Zeon himself was right, and many Zeon soldiers were right. The nation of Zeon was wrong and hiding behind real problems and ideas in their effort to expand their own power.
>>23869166>gas colonized>drops colonies>genocided billions of innocents>"are they in the wrong?"
>>23869166>Was zeon really in the wrong?They basically hijacked a popular cause and ruined it for everyone dooming the Earth to Centuries of Earth Tyranny
>>23870575>how do they support or not support the spacenoid independence movementWithout war? Then....Refusing to pay taxes.Rebelling against local Federation garrisons.Refusing any support (repairs and resupply) to local Federation ships.Mass Protests against the Federation.Publishing anti Federation news and videos.
>>23870756>>gas colonizedThere was a rat infestation and they fumigated.>>drops coloniesThe colonies were empty.>>genocided billions of innocentsAre they really innocent if they are part of a corrupt and oppressive regime?
>>23870575>We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas! Breathe the gas then.
>>23870894>is actually a megabased chadlennial>is pro EFZeekfags are a real disease tho, infecting everything they touch. like trannies and cringe basedmmers like you
Is that really what bots think 4channelers talk like?
>>23870818Let's be honest. Chars dad was a pacifist leader who enjoyed the attention of the people. He was never going to lead a military rebellion. And The Federation was never going to willingly give up control. Creating Zeon necessary. By all rights Zeon should have won and I'm honestly shocked at the writers bend over backwards to make sure Zeon loses at the last moment during every battle. Literally every anime, manga, or video game has Zeon about to win but the Gundam comes in at the very last second and stops it. Or somehow the the main Zeon leaders, who were fine during the rest of the series, suddenly have their personalities become twisted and they start behaving irrationally. They make stupid decisions or just turn on eachother. Original Gundam? Kycillia normally would never kill Guren during the middle of a battle in front of everyone. She would wait when no one is looking and poison him. 08th MS Team? They spend a whole year building a super mobile armor with a mega laser. But suddenly the pilot refuses to fight because reasons? 0083Cima is not stupid enough to seriously believe the Bask and Jamitov would ever let Cima and her fleet join them as Federation officers. But somehow she believes it. If she had stayed loyal to Delaz, the Delaz fleet would have suffered less casualties and return victorious to Axis celebrated as heroes. 0080Zeon was going to nuke Side 6 for violating the neutrality treaty and helping the Federation create a secret new Gundam and allowing a military base in their colony. But Zeon surrendered at the moment because...reasons? ZZSomehow nobody soldier named Glemy somehow starts a rebellion for no reason and it destroys Zeon. His reasons aren't even clear. UnicornMineva gets mad Full Frontal isn't willing to drop an asteroid on Earth. She says Full Frontals plan to use peaceful economics boring and decides to rebel and destroy their only leverage against the Federation.
>>23870984Okay zeek fans are just as daft as feddie shills
>>23869166That's the lie the Zabis sold everyone. The wanted power for themselves and used independence as the justification.
>>23869166Their heart was in the right place but it was doomed from the start. The Zabi family took the reigns of power and forced them into a meaningless war that ironically got the entire family killed, save for the one little girl who would’ve been too young to even comprehend what was going on. And even as far back as the beginning of the Universal Century we see the people running the Federation want to maintain their power over the colonies at all costs, assassinating their own Prime Minister and using the incident as justification for depriving Spacenoids of the right to represent themselves in the governing process. This in turn led to the knee-jerk reaction of the independence movement that the Zabi family took advantage of for their own ends. There is no right or wrong.
>>23871000>There is no right or wrongI dunno >the people running the Federation want to maintain their power over the colonies at all costs, assassinating their own Prime Minister and using the incident as justification for depriving Spacenoids of the right to represent themselves in the governing processThis sounds objectively evil
>>23870872>do any of that>get arrested and thrown into jailNow what? The inaction of the populace because, as zeeks say, they are oppressed and can't do shit if they wanna stay alive/out of jail/feed their families.Yet they are also colluding with the feds and are prime target for mass genocide operations by the zeeks because of their inaction which they had to do to keep their families fed and safe?
>>23869166>guys the mass murdering space neo-nazis dindu nuffink wrongBruh
