Did Amuro invented Haro or not?
>>23870994yes
>>23870994There are various theories.
>>23870994It's lamer if he didn't.
It's in continuity flux after The Origin.
Yes. The Origin doesn't count as it is alternate UC, a fact which too many retards can't wrap their head around.
>>23870994*invent
>>23870994Yes, ignore some lore book and Origin that changes it.
>>23871180>some lore bookSo it's canon.
>>23871191yes, everyone knows worship the text
>>23871202Do you have a point or are you just posting a random unrelated image
>>23871211are you naive or just pretending to not understand that lore bibles are canon?
>>23871227I know that lore bibles are canon. I don't know what your point is with this image of a Bible printing that screwed up the Ten Commandments.
>>23871191it's not.
>>23871202The people who insist Masashi Ikeda's name is Shigeru worship this commandment along with the one Sunrise dictionary that misread his name as "Shigeru".
>>23871191Lore books always say stupid shit that's not canon, like one lore book stating that only 16 Jet Core Boosters where ever made even thought there are dozens in 08th ms team.
>>23871191>>23871456The only thing that ever matters is what they put on the screen
>>23871482They're currently adapting a novel based on a written-only version of CCA.Narrative seems to go by the novel version of Unicorn rather than the OVA.
>>23871550>They're currently adapting a novel based on a written-only version of CCA.2 makes extremely explicit that the Hathaway films are in main animated continuity and follow the events of CCA, not BC.
impressive how this thread devolved to shit within about four replies
>>23870994>Did Amuro invented Haro or not?Yes, because Origin is non-canon (and Yasuhiko is a hack).
>>23871560Yas is the whole reason Char is Char and 95% of the reason this franchise has a female fanbase, and his portrayal of Zeon Deikun as a loon was one of the best things ever to come out of the UC.
>>23871191>>23871180Note the official explanation for mainline UC, regarding those lines, is that when they talk about how "Amuro built it", or the replicas of Amuro's Haro later, it's basically like "building" a model kit.
>>23871593Amuro is a fucking hack fraud
>>23871550I've not read Beltorchika's Children but wouldn't it be the Hi-Nu gundam in hathaway if that was the case?
>>23871623Hathaway 2 straight-up shows recreations of scenes from CCA, some directly from the film and some from Hathaway's perspective, including the slap and killing Chan. Chan doesn't even exist in BC, his personal guilt in that is over accidentally killing Quess himself.
>>23871623Nope. BC does not feature the Hi-Nu, just the regular one. The original novel illustrations use the regular Nu design. It's just that Char got the Nightingale and Bandai wanted to sell more toys so for MSV after the fact they came up with the Hi-Nu.
>>23871686I thought Hi-Nu came from Hi-Streamer.
>>23871686You say it like that doesn't indicate that they'd be more inclined to insist on the Hi-Nu if Hathaway was intended to be in continuity with BC instead of CCA.
>>23871591literally wrong on all three counts.
>>23871691That was also just called "Nu" and was a wildly different thing that was honestly kinda like the Xi but more rectangle than triangle. What we know as the Hi-Nu with the blue/purple and the wing funnels was from MSV.
>>23871698Hathaway is one thousand billion percent in the movie continuity, I'm not arguing that. Only pointing out a misconception about the Nu and Hi-Nu.
>>23871699Cope
>>23870994Haro is his own creation. His Son if you will
>>23871591The Yas of nearly half a century ago is partly responsible for those things. But Origin is not the work of that Yas: it's the work of the Yas of a quarter of a century... and that Yas is a hack storyteller.
>>23871550>adapting a novel based on a written-only version of CCA NarrativeActually no, having seen the movie they had the CCA movie canon win out, meaning they double confirmed Hathaway killed that blue hair feddie girl who killed his oneitis
>>23872118Which is based btw
>>23871955>and that Yas is a hack storyteller.Lol, lmao
>>23871593Did Amuro "nice clock" the Haro?
>>23872127>hack replyHow very apropos.
>>23872118Then they should actually address those issues instead of strictly adhering to the novel that says human extermination is a good thing.
>>23872130Have you actually read any of his works that aren't Gundam? The only thing he keeps saying he feels pressured in to?
>>23872146Who pressured him to work on Origin for ten years?
>>23872158I'm taking that as a no
>>23872161I'm taking that as "nobody, he chose to, so the results are on him".
>>23872146Yas loves Gundam though, japanese are not like westoids that feel "haunted" by the success of particular franchises they helped create, they are very grateful to them and their fans.
>>23872146The only "pressure" I've seen Yas mentioning regarding working on Gundam is just feeling like he had to put his view/message out there, like how he talked about disliking how later works portrayed Newtypes and felt like he had to make a denial of that.
>>23872228>he talked about disliking how later works portrayed NewtypesDifferent anon, but did he go into specifics? If so, I'm interested in hearing his take.
>>23872241He talks about in various interviewshttps://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=12512>Tomino: I’ve already explained why. It delighted me precisely because it represented common sense. It wasn’t biased. Terms like “esper” or “psychic” felt tainted, overly specific, and limiting. In contrast, the word “Newtype” had breadth and expansiveness beyond those constraints. However, the problem was my own inability to fully harness it within the story. Because the term was so versatile, I struggled with how best to utilize it. (...)>Yasuhiko: Initially, I too thought you’d found a perfect word in “Newtype,” a brilliant way to wrap things up. Yet, what started as a neutral term soon became heavily loaded. You ended up constantly defending it, sinking deeper into trouble. Then came Aum Shinrikyo, talking about enlightenment, “phowa,” and “human reformation.”>Yasuhiko: My impression is quite different from Okada’s. I think the emphasis on “Newtype” made Gundam darker, it became unhealthy. That’s why, in THE ORIGIN, I’ve tried to strip Gundam of “Newtype,” as it wasn’t an original theme.>Tomino: Exactly. Newtype hasn’t even risen to the level of an ism. It just seems to have facets you can talk about. You’re feeling way too much about that level of reaction to a word. I might use Newtype in a show as a prop, but I’m not going to build the entire content of a work on it.>Yasuhiko: My concern lies precisely with the danger of a neutral term like “Newtype,” initially conceived as common sense, taking on ideological or cult-like qualities. (...) Maybe that, too, is a kind of common sense. Color it, elevate it into revolutionary thought, and it becomes an ism. Which is why I think it’s dangerous if a neutral word like “Newtype” starts turning cultish or into an ism. We need to stop that.
>>23872225He likes Gundam yes. I'm not saying he doesn't but in some Japanese articles I read a while back he says that the only thing he really gets asked to do was Gundam related which was spoken regretfully. I agree with >>23872228On his version of newtypes as well. I just think it's hard to call him that when you look at his other work outside of Gundam. Anons don't seem to know the difference that "I don't like his interpretation" doesn't mean he's a 'hack'.
>>23872360Thanks for pulling that up, anon. Interesting stuff!
>>23872146I've seen Arion and it sucked.
>>23872360>We need to stop that.Moon powered superweapons might work.
>>23870994Better question. Is HARO Belija?
>>23872225he was mindbroken by newtypism and thought it had some part in rise of cults like aum shinrikyo.
>>23870994in the tv show, they use haro as an example of amuro's affinity with machines, in a rare pre-newtype attempted explanation for his piloting skills. since the films introduce newtypes earlier, i guess it wasn't deemed necessary for amuro to have invented haro anymore, because iirc the picrel line is cut and we see what looks like a manufactured haro product in tem ray's schizojunkyard room in the third film. since the rest of the canon follows movie 0079's events and not tv 0079's, i guess that means haro is an existing product that amuro owned but otherwise had nothing to do with the creation of>>23871560yasuhiko is indeed a hack, or at least has had a very large chip on his shoulder about 0079 for years, to the detriment of everyone involved
