https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_0Wo17zl0
>>23923325Midnight Shadow's and ExDream's designs have grown on me but I still wish they had a proper them to them
What did you like and dislike about the 41st episode?
Describe this individual.
Which city is this? Is this even a US city?
>>23923381>Con NOX. Literally no reason for this fight if NOX learned how NOT to vague post. The fact Baku will likely make up with NOX next episode even though ZERO's death is basically his fault.Sieg is just doing nothing so it feels like the next time he'll actually do something is to kill of Punish>ProI liked fujimi trying to actively get info out of NOX and their little scuffle.Nasuka getting informed about Kureha
>>23923385I think this is Atlanta
>>23923384He clearly believed in his dream.
>>23923384A bad judge of character.
>>23923325Very good direction for the episode, so at least in terms of spectacle it was pretty excellent, even if the actual plot wasn’t great. Better than a good number of the recent episodes for sure, but not great.Nox vagueposting directly lead to Zero’s death as it kept Baku too busy to save him, so even if he wasn’t actively trying to cause a genocide, he is directly responsible for the bad guys getting the kill. He could have just explained himself from the start and didn’t for no good reason, making this easily the most pointless fight in the entire show. Can’t even blame Baku for wanting to kick his ass as it’s perfectly reasonable to assume Nox would do the worst choice possible, as he has done consistently throughout the show. So another week, another reason to hate Nox.I liked Zero, and is the only redemption in the whole show that worked, and I don’t mind him dying eventually, but he is one of the few characters who aren’t shit in this show, so removing him by this point will make the endgame feel lacking the best character. Either way I’m more willing to forgive him than I ever could Nox or Sieg, who seem to be Baku’s future allies. Nightmares seem like a lamer version of those King-Ohger villains, and this very serious and dramatic episode claiming they killed the dinosaurs is a very good showcase of how stupid this plot is. Sure, and they probably did 9/11 and WW2 as well.>>23923384Unless they all come back to life in the finale on another dream bullshit, I find it very funny the “CODE team up” in the summer movie is going to be composed almost entirely from dead characters who are just back for aura farming. They could still totally bring them all back, it’s a Takahashi show, but there’s also been summer movies where the dead come to life for a short time or it’s an AU. I mainly assume they’re all alive because every Takahashi summer film has been set post finale, and Zeztz would be no different:
>>23923385So many of those shots looked AI generated
>>23923390Nasuka is the most pathetic character ever because, even now that she knows, what’s she gonna do about it? Her killer, Three, is dead. The organization he worked for is dead. And she can’t do anything about it, so she may as well not be in the show anymore. The detective agency keeps being more useless by the episode.
>>23923423>Nasuka is the most pathetic character everWow, and I thought Keiwa, Fujimi and Nox were the most pathetic in terms of Takahashi written characters.
>>23923427Well he likes to keep outdoing himself with every show.
>>23923420They already set them up to come back with Sieg's line about how dead people show up in dreams "all the time".
>>23923423I still don't know what Nasuka's purpose in the show is. Is she just there for bits with Fujimi and to give Kureha an emotional tie to the plot?
Discussions seem to have died down due to the lack of MEGAanon. It's a shame that the subs on nyaa release on monday due to wanting to release all su versions together. >>23923381>>23923149
>>23923420>They could still totally bring them all back, it’s a Takahashi show, but there’s also been summer movies where the dead come to life for a short time or it’s an AU. I mainly assume they’re all alive because every Takahashi summer film has been set post finale, and Zeztz would be no different:Zeztz's summer movie involves a special dream world of some sort tied to the daydreaming main villain, so they could just be brought back through that rather than being resurrected outright.
>>23923325I needed vagueposternigga to not vaguepost this ONE TIME. Zerobros...
>>23923438They died down because the show got really bad.
>>23923438Not a lot to talk about in the show>Nox and Sieg are assholes>Any humans not named Baku are useless>Nightmares are generic bad guys>Most of the interesting mysteries are already solved
>>23923451>>Any humans not named Baku are uselessIs Zeztz the biggest offender of main character syndrome: "only the protagonist is allowed to get the job done"?
>>23923455Yes, even if i like baku i still want him to rely in others. It's a shame NOX and side cast are practically useless, except minami.
Catastrophe killed Zero because he gave him second-hand embarrassment
They couldn't do a second take?
>>23923528I was sure he was going to pull some bullshit after that line like henshin into his Bike transformer but no. Just got punched and died.>>23923423She sure could ask Baku if he knew anything about it.
>>23923446They made the pacing slower than a glacier, what did they expect?
Sex with Nem
>>23923325>>23923381The episode was pretty well directed but the writing wasn't up to par.The Gore Nightmares aren't all that interesting so far, they just seem like a bunch of evil generic monsters. Catastrophe just feels like a glorified monster of the week despite being a really important character on paper, which is a shame, and I feel like he shouldn't just pop up like that without Baku noticing at all if he's the Nightmare that's inside Baku's subconscious and is powering the Zeztz system, like idk, at least give us a scene where Baku feels like there's something wrong and senses that his Nightmare is acting up.That CODE employee getting engulfed in flames in the middle of a call with her grandma was kinda hardcore, and all the scenes involving the international branches did give off a nice sense of scale and stakes, even if it was obvious that half the employees in each scene were Japanese. I fucking hate Sieg and his annoying cackling ass. Doesn't even matter if they end up redeeming him or not, the show has just handled him in such a poor way where a redemption would feel extremely forced and OOC, and keeping him a villain would just make you wonder why the heroes wasted so much time and effort trying to redeem the most clearly unredeemable human in the show.Oh yeah, we also finally got to see how Phantom took over The Lady. That's neat I guess, even though the episode tried to pass this off as some kind of reveal even though what had happened was obvious as hell.(1/?)
>>23923620The cops having access to CODE and its documents came a bit out of the left field, I know that Zero was planning to expose CODE's misdeeds but I think we should've gotten a scene where we saw them actually contacting the cops before this. Also, while Nasuka FINALLY learned about Kureha's death, I can't help but feel like the whole moment was off because the reveal was handled in such a weird and underwhelming way. First of all, it's not Baku who told her despite having witnessed the murder himself, she had to learn about it after skimming through a CODE document, which sucks. Then she denies that this info is true and immediately storms off to verify it, with very little time of the episode being dedicated to her reaction, making it feel like an afterthought.The scene with Fujimi and Nox's phone was mildly funny, but the few bits of comedy in this episode were timed very poorly since they came right after Fujimi and Nasuka learned her best friend was fucking dead.Nox is a massive retard, although he's technically nicer than he was before, he still picked the worst possible moment to undermine CODE as the Gore Nightmares are currently fucking the world up and CODE was going through a fucking reform anyways, and now Zero is fucking dead because of his retardation. He doesn't seem to be aware that he's just playing right into the Nightmares' hands even though he knows one of them just took over his boss. He went back to being an actively terrible character again.(2/3)
>>23923621The fight was really weird too. Baku starts out with Exdream, but he uses it for less than a minute before choosing to switch to Catastrom, and although I like Catastrom, I'm not sure what Baku's intention was here. He claims he's gonna pulverize Nox but it doesn't look like he wants to actually kill him, and Catastrom performs so much more poorly against Midnight Shadow that it makes me wonder why didn't Baku just keep using Exdream and its broken abilities. The whole thing also ends in a very underwhelming way with Nox stopping to reveal that he was just there to destroy CODE's tech rather than to kill its personnel, which means the whole fight was just a pointless misunderstanding.Zero was the best part of the episode by far, I liked his interactions with Baku and the sense of pride and happiness he felt every time his son stood up for him. He's the only former villain with a good redemption in this show, the only one who felt any sort of remorse and wanted to hold himself accountable for his misdeeds, and got to atone a little by willingly helping the heroes out for a bit. I did expect him to die at some point since he was the most obvious candidate to be killed off among the recurring heroes, but I still wish he had gotten to interact with the other good guys more and I'm concerned because the show just lost one of the very few good characters it had. That being said, while his death scene was solid for the most part, that "I BELIEVE IN MY DREAM" bit was kinda off-putting due to how weirdly directed and acted it was, it's meme material. Also, I wish the show had revealed his real name before this, because hearing Baku call his dad "Zero" even as he held his corpse in his hands felt off, it gave me the same vibes as Hiiro calling Taiga "licenseless doctor" while the latter was being mortally wounded.(3/3)
So what was the spell thing The Lady did with her hands back then? Did anything came out of it because her getting possessed feels like it's disappointing consideirng she had powers of her own.
>>23923421The explosions were most likely AI generated, but I think the city itself is a referenced from real place
>>23923665I thought it was implied to be some kind of super psychology through dream power/training thing (especially since her abilities didn't work on Baku with his dream training). But, yeah, at this point it probably will never be relevant or explained.
>>23923440>lets bring a bunch of dead guys who couldn’t stop previous enemies to defeat an even stronger enemyJust seems weird. Also that Nox, Five and Six would ever work with Three after what he’s done. If there’s no reset and the current events aren’t a dream, I can’t imagine that team up. I know this show’s already morally dubious due to Sieg still being allowed to exist by the heroes, but that’s pushing it.
>>23923528Ironically the most evil Zero has ever looked in the show in what’s meant to be his most heroic moment.
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>>23923423>so she may as well not be in the show anymoreNeither detective should've been on the show at all. The whole Kureha-Nasuka connection was such a gigantic waste of time that I honestly never minded Nasuka not knowing.
>>23923325I noticed that for the flag scene they just got every single country and displayed them alphabetically since at the end you can see Zimbabwe, Zambia and most funny of all, Yemen, which has been in a civil war for over a decade. Why and how Zero managed to build a CODE base there is anyone's guess.
Less than 10 episodes left.
>>23923784The only thing I will remember of this secondary
>>23923892>>23923784
Case 41.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCltSbBRzw
>>23923625 cont.Oh yeah, and Fujimi was fucking useless again, getting his ass kicked and completely failing to stop Nox from raiding CODE.
>>23923381It's a Kamihoriuchi episode, this is the reason I watch the show. Zeztz might have the best staff lineup for a Reiwa show, they're just unfortunately kneecapped by Takahashi being a bad writer. Still not as offensively bad as Geats or job arc Zero One at least.
>>23924096>Zeztz might have the best staff lineup for a Reiwa showYou mean director lineup because Yanaka's a terrible head producer (for Toku) too. And Saber and Revice's were better, it was basically the same lineup as Zeztz's but instead of Yamaguchi they had Ishida and Sakamoto.
>>23924147nta but Yanaka isn't as bad as people paint him to be, most of his decisions would have been great and are things anons and oldfags wanted, but none of these ideas worked out due to Takahashi.I still blame him as equally as Takahashi for most issues of the show though because if it were Omori or Tsukada they could have made all of this work but he's not the type of producer I'd recoil in horror if he get picked again to head a show unlike Minato, that said I really hope Yanaka doesn't pick Takahashi, Komura or Kida for any of his future shows. Hell I don't want any producer to pick Takahashi again for at least 6 years, if he wants to work on toku that badly they should pick him for Project R.E.D but hiring the same writer so soon multiple times causes fatigue, it's as if Toei never learnt anything from when Sentai almost died in the early 90s.
>>23924198He will fuck up another show and all these copes of yours will be invalidated just like the Yuya Takahashi and Kuji defenders'.>most of his decisions would have been great and are things anons and oldfags wantedI don't think anybody wanted a shitty reset halfway through the show, or forms that are just repaints of each other. Oh yeah, and not telling Nox's actor who his character was supposed to be and what his cryptic lines meant was such a genius idea that totally wouldn't have backfired no matter who the writer was. Oh, and shoving a new intrusive main character halfway through the show and leaving its creation up to an episode director instead of the main writer was such a great idea that didn't have extremely high chances of backfiring and totally didn't backfire. And doing a show about a lone hero with no trinkets? Pretty much impossible to do nowadays as it would be a guaranteed sales suicide, even Yanaka (sorta) realized this.
Needs more Nasuka
>>23924249>Kuji defendersI've never seen anyone do that here on /m/ though? The closest to that are people claiming that the issues with Boonboomger's middle were the result of Tomioka having to bounce from the show to do something else then course correcting the next arc, but even then people agree that it's Kuji's fault to not enforce Tomioka's vision of anti-consumerism that was foreshadowed in the beginning since everything indicates Kuji knew the story was going into that direction yet he just allowed Cannonborg to happen for whatever reason.>shitty reset I feel like this would have worked well had it not been for Takahashi, initially after the reset things started really well. >Oh, and shoving a new intrusive main character halfway through>or forms that are just repaints of each otherThese ones are fair and 100% his fault.>Oh yeah, and not telling Nox's actor who his character was supposed to beAlso this one, we don't exactly know if it's fault of him, Kami, Takahashi or Minato due to the way he segments the producer roles but I'd imagine it's Yanaka's, if not him then Takahashi, the reason being that Geats by Takahashi had this same issue where they didn't tell Ace's and Girori's actors anything causing the actors to not act like how the characters were meant to be but at the same time shows like Build and King-Ohger had the actors being told way in advance how the story was going to end up so that they could foreshadow with their acting, so I assume it's more of a case of every producer that isn't Omori being retarded rather than Takahashi.>Takahashi defendersPeople don't want Takahashi to come back nor do they consider him a great writer, it's just that most of the issues in Geats and Zero-One weren't his fault but rather the producers' which is why he gets defended for most issues there, but even then people agree that the issue with the villains from Geats are 100% his fault.
I miss Three.
>>23924147>Yanaka's a terrible head producer (for Toku) too.> forms that are just repaints of each other. Oh yeah, and not telling Nox's actor who his character was supposed to be and what his cryptic lines meant was such a genius idea that totally wouldn't have backfired no matter who the writer was.> And doing a show about a lone hero with no trinkets? Pretty much impossible to do nowadays as it would be a guaranteed sales suicide, even Yanaka (sorta) realized this.The lesson is to not let a Rider fan, a Kuuga fanboy that, be a producer of a (modern) Rider series?
>>23924336>The lesson is to not let a Rider fan, a Kuuga fanboy that, be a producer of a (modern) Rider series?Unironically maybe? I don't mind Yanaka as much as that anon but Kuji and Minato are hardcore Kamen Rider fans and they turned out to be pretty shit. By comparison Takatera and Tsukada were more into Kaiju than anything, Shirakura and Matsuura into Mecha, Takebe into crime dramas, Hikasa into horse betting and both Omori and Utsunomiya into Sentai. That's not to say they don't like Kamen Rider, Matsuura, Shirakura and Utsunomiya definitely do, but most of them didn't grow up watching Rider, in Takebe's case she didn't even grow up watching toku.>> forms that are just repaints of each other. Oh yeah, and not telling Nox's actor who his character was supposed to be and what his cryptic lines meant was such a genius idea that totally wouldn't have backfired no matter who the writer was.I don't see how that has anything to do with Kuuga? The cryptic nature of the Gurongi's language before they started subbing them later on wasn't really annoying like Nox's vagueness.
>>23924299>Also this one, we don't exactly know if it's fault of him, Kami, Takahashi or Minato due to the way he segments the producer roles but I'd imagine it's Yanaka's, if not him then Takahashi, the reason being that Geats by Takahashi had this same issue where they didn't tell Ace's and Girori's actors anythingWhy would it be Takahashi's responsibility? Writers rarely meet with the actors on set, unlike the producers. If the directors don't know what's up with the script, it's also the producer's fault, because he's supposed to be overseeing the whole production and he does work closely with the writer.
>>23924352Idk like the writer suggesting to not tell anything to the actors due to spoilers? It's weird that it's specifically 2 Takahashi shows that have issues with the actors not acting properly due to them not being told the story ahead of time. But like I said in the same post I also believe it's more likely to be Yanaka's fault, maybe specifically his whole segmenting his producer role among other staffers, I don't know how much that affects but it would still be his fault even then.
>>23924344>I don't see how that has anything to do with Kuuga?The simple as hell form changes do, because Yanaka wanted simple form changes like Kuuga's, but for some reason that translated into mere color changes instead of side forms that actually changed the armor and silhouette.
>>23924355>>23924147>>23923336And Zeztz's final form being a giant Ultimate Kuuga homage.
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>>239234311.- Flowers. outside the movie, Zero is beyond dead, he cant even return in dreams like Sieg, someone who made a contract with one of the Gores, hence why he has more dream powers.2.- even if Zero returns and does stuff as a dreambeing like Sieg, NOX still killed him. Baku needs to fucking finally put the moron in his place once and for all.
Why do all the Nightmares have such lame pants?
>>23923381The justification for Nox and Baku fighting yet again was stupid and the fight itself was only there so Baku would arrive too late to save his dad. There are a trillion ways to have Baku fail at saving Zero that didn't involve a dumb fight.
Surely MY-TH homages Den-o in some way being the 8th reiwa to the 8th heisei
>>23924355Bandai budget to sell toys, each kuuga like form change would require new tooling, zeztz’s had no change so the mold could be sold in different colors
>>23924591I don't know why you're posting this here rather than the general but we already know that My-Th has a fable motif like Den-O. I don't know if they'll homage it beyond that since we're getting a high budget Den-O anniversary movie next year.
>>23924593They said it was a creative decision, not a budget-related one.
>>23924593I don't get your logic when every Rider with alt forms before had forms with different molds. IIRC didn't Yanaka say he did that to make Zeztz's design structure stand out more from other Rider shows? Which ironically made them more forgettable.Granted the drawings in the torso were probably meant to be molded in like Impact since the whole deal of being "like Kuuga" was to only change the torso but with how similar they were they probably decided to just have one single torso mold since it really wouldn't have made much of a difference with how samey the forms were.
>>23923325I honestly like everything about the show but Nox
>>23923381Just watched the episode, hate that have to wait until monday due to the mega.The direction in this episode was stellar and I liked the moments between Baku and Zero, also Fujimi although I'm sad again that he accomplished nothing and they didn't spend much time on Nasuka's dilemma. But goddamn i fucking hate Nox, this is the most consequences his vagueness has had in the new loop, he's really at this point the 3rd worst secondary rider.
>>23925369You actually like Fujimi?
>>23925654>3rdWho are the first 2?
>>23925654>he's really at this point the 3rd worst secondary rider.Nah, he's the worst, he was never good at ANY point in the show.
>>23925725>he was never good at ANY point in the show.Does this mean Nox is the worst character in the entire Kamen Rider franchise?
>>23925714Daiji is the worst for me, Rinne the second worst.>>23925705Yeah, even though I don't like how underutilized the side cast is I don't dislike them as characters.
>fight nox for no reason>drops exdream for catastrom for it's first(?) jobbing>heh i'm not actually going to kill your dad>this whole time i wanted to kill technology
>>23925991At this point I'd be happier if they revealed that Nox did the distraction on purpose to kill Zero but that's obviously not the case
It's so embarrassing how bad modern rider is at telegraphing fights by what form the Rider picks for the fightBase Zeztz>He's going to jobExdream>He's going to win or tieOrderm>He's going to winCatastrom>He's going to be winning and then get his world rocked by learning about some epic twist we already saw comingWhy did he even go Catastrom in this episode? He was in Exdream, did he think he should be giving Nox more of a fighting chance, is he that nice of a guy? Literally what was his thought process here
>>23926319>Literally what was his thought process hereHe literally explains there that he was going to kill Nox like in the previous loop since Orderm and ExDream aren't suited for killing.It's contrived and really just a cheap excuse to have Zero die but Baku did explain himself.
>>23923384horrendously incompetent
