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Would you say the Jovian designs from crossbone are an evolution of Cosmo Babylonia's design lineage, or a different thing entirely? If the latter, does that mean the entire design family died out after F91?
>>24017614Okawara looked Chad
>>24017977There's definitely some degree of connection, even if Jovians were mostly content just making their own stuff there were certainly data transfers as part of backroom deals and such.Some of CV stuff could have ended up contributing to Zanscare engineering as well but there's basically no info on that.And either way it was certainly absorbed by the Federation, there were already tech exchanges before the Cosmo Babylonia Founding War. Vigna Zirah's VSBRs weren't an independet invention, suffice to say. And one can argue Den'an Dei was Federation's first mass production model equipped with a beam shield, even if they were only provided with a limited number of these unitsAnd after the war CV tech was incorporated into projects like the Crossbones too, the binders are derived from Vigna Ghina.Not to mention all sorts of third party, independent, private and civilian projects that would inevitably crop up in the following decades as after ever since the UC 0120s Federation's grip on the colonies was rapidly weakening and many were functionally independent states. No doubt various companies, wannabe nations and private militaries would have used CV machines and data if they were available.And it's not like their stuff just evaporated when the Ronahs got their asses kicked. We know Federation still used Berga Balus models as aggressor units in UC 140s for example.
I have two sides>A.) I do not care for miniaturized mobile suits>B.) The F91 is the most beautiful Gundam
>>24018032This whole run of Victory and F91 variations in this style was Okawara at his peak imo
>>24018032>Den'an DeiNever heard of it, can't even find it on the wiki. >Data transfersOff the to of my head there's Cornix that obviously has shelf nozzles, but that's about it. Maybe the tech also bled into other designs in less obvious ways but I can't really think of any. And then the Dictus doesn't have any so it's unclear if they were any good for the design in the first place. Actually, why doesn't the Dictus have funnels? Feels like a step back. But funnels as a whole are mostly absent in Crossbone/Late UC despite the increasing number of newtypes, wonder what the deal is with that. Maybe beam shield proliferation made them not worth it? Maybe they can't deal with miniaturized MS?
>>24018098>Never heard of it, not even the wikiThe wiki is infamously far behind for whatever reason and last updated the weekly mobile machines with the Rook. Someone has to go down there and update that ASAP, it’s been over a year already lol
The F90 is a thing of beauty. I'm hoping more of it will show up in Eternal down the line, even though a lot of it got shoved into the F91 dev tree.
>>24018098>Never heard of it, can't even find it on the wiki.The CV suit Stein uses in Cluster, mostly famous for eviscerating Oldsmobiles>Actually, why doesn't the Dictus have funnels?At the end of the day funnels aren't a be-all, end-all solution, they're just a specialized weapon option primarily used as a secondary, specialized tool. That said I think Dictus did have them no?
>>24018109I don't doubt we will. They threw in all the F90 and Formula Report stuff already but seem to go out of their way to not add any Silhouette Formula stuff, that's definitely getting a dedicated event.I can totally see one for the F90 story as well. Yes, we have so many suits and pilots from it but notably only a handful of F90 forms and loadouts, we could easily get a big batch of them for that plus some associated pilots.This then leaves the door open for a Fastest Formula event where the dev tree is not bloated with just F90s
>>24018098>>24018425The Dictus and the Impulse Cornix indeed have funnels, but I'm not sure is the Dictus are regular funnels, or feather funnels like the Divinidad or the Cornix.In SD Gundam G Generation Overworld they are regular funnels.
>>24018490completely forgot about these. Man, dictus is such a weird MS, I flip flop between loving it and hating it
>>24018490fairly sure they are feather funnels, games can sometimes have errors or misunderstandings
>>24018495Cooler than Epyon? You be the judge
>>24018498yeah actually
I've never met anyone who is an actual fan of Ghost Gundam. Does anyone out there like the design or thanks the gimmick is cool?
>>24018529there are tens of thousands of us dawg
>>24018529Yeah it's cool as shit, all Phantoms are. Not a fan of the "airplane" mode but that barely comes into play anyways. It's definitely far cooler than any of the Victories
>>24018529I like the Ghost Gundam, but my favorite is the Phantom V2.I like the propeler shield.
>>24018529never met a virtuous soul that doesn't like it and never will, hating the Ghost is a moral failing
>>24018556Just Saiyan. I asked about it here and there only to get crickets.Pic somewhat related
>>24018495>games can sometimes have errors or misunderstandingsYeah, it happens, I read somewhere one of the Sentinel units in Eternal where the animation for its beam saber is pulling the saber from a part of the mech that's supposed to be sensors or something like that.
>>24018616Many such cases, there's some fuckery with the AoZ units too
Gundam Almarya is the secret missing link that sets up for Gaia Gear and beyond after the Victory/Crossbone Dust Warring Space States period.The Federation starts producing new mobile suits again in the late UC 170s, most notably the "Newman" machine, piloted by a bio brain and controlled by a large warship with a Gundam head.Some unknown Zeon like faction (called "Principality" in the manga, in reality part of the Zi Zeon/Z Organization from Gaia Gear) oppose them and steal one of the units. Disabling the Federation warship. Despite this, the tech goes on to become the basis for the Gaia Gear alpha, gets copied by Metatron, and used by Man Hunter both, and becomes the "Man Machine" project, as part of a way to revive lost high production suits from the ground up. Both factions later fight with these "high tech" man machines until that war ends by UC 0203.Meanwhile, another branch of the Federation works on reviving the RGM line, culminating in the less impressive but sustainable RGM-196 Freedom, their last major mass production MS, with John Saviour of the eventual G-Saviour development team being part of this process while he was young. Decades later, he would help design CONSENT machines, then defect to create the Saviour units.All of this happens because the MS industry collapsed almost entirely during the UC 160s when SNRI fell apart after the Zanscare war and the colonies were at constant proxy wars with one another. Crossbone Dust indicates very few parties could maintain beam tech without regular parts from Anaheim (who struggled to stay afloat) or more stable industry output. All the weird inconsistencies in MS tech from the late UC 170s onwards are part of the attempt to rebuild after this collapse. It seemingly fails again within the next 100 years after G-Saviour if the lore of Gundam Oblivion G is to be believed.Yes, call me an idiot fanfic writer all you like, but this is my take on how all the weird post victory UC timeline can tie together.
>>24018670I think some stuff like G-Saviour should stay as an AU
>>24018675You're free to think that... but contrary to what many expect, G-Saviour is not considered an AU in Japan, it's just rarely mentioned due to it underperforming expectations. Gaia Gear (most notably the audio dramas) are the only thing that's ever been stated to be "alternate UC", though that may not even apply to the novels. Most Japanese timeline lists and resources still consider the novels to be part of the main timeline, it would seem due to this. The definitive version of the story that happens... somehow, despite clashing with G-Saviour, which also happens... somehow.Of course keep in mind the concept of "canon" in Gundam is entirely fluid. Sunrise almost never officially clarifies how entries connect, just which timeline "continuity family" they belong in. Tomino's novels cannot in any way connect with one another and are very different from the shows, but still have lore that the shows later reference. Contradictions are expected and generally ignored as problems. Animation being the only "canon" is also not really treated as a hard fact anymore, as sunrise is directly helping shape the lore of many Gundam ACE entries too these days, particularly the late UC ones.Been doing a deep dive on Japanese wikis/resources for this content for a few years now. There's a lot of small details the western fandom has no idea about.https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%A8%E3%82%A6%E3%83%AD%E3%83%8F%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A0%E7%B4%9A%E7%AA%81%E6%92%83%E8%A6%81%E5%A1%9E%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0
>>24018670>beyond after the Victory/Crossbone Dust Warring Space States periodThank you for specifying that it's after Dust, or I might've thought that you meant the F91 to Victory part of the Warring Space States period.>>24018675Eh, there's literally nothing that prevents G-Saviour from being a part of the mainline UC and it got some sick MS designs. I'd allow that.But there is some stuff that is better stay as an alternative or a "parody" work indeed.
>>24018702Dust is the one that turns the warring space period into all out conflict that makes tech decline, so you need its lore to make sense out of why 3rd century UC tech is so wildly inconsistent. It's actually a surprisingly good explanation, and may or may not be something Hasegawa planned on purpose.Of course, Sunrise also explicitly told him not to make any suits more advance than the Victory era ones, which he has stuck too for years now, so that seems to be their mandate on the era.And franchise producer Ogata did once say the Next UC 100 project could someday reach Gaia Gear, though he wasn't sure if that would ever really happen. But that means he's at least aware of it and considered the idea.Almarya is just that really weird obscure entry in the back of Double Fake that almost no one remembers. It borders on parody and has some super weird ideas, but Crossbone Dust is already so weird that it kind of just fits in now. And remember, it's said to be set in UC 0179, or about 7 years after the current Crossbone Seerauber arc.Mobile Monthly (from F90FF and Cluster) is already doing insanely deep lore cuts as a UC 140s in-universe magazine, so I figured why can't I headcanon something equally crazy?
it's me, Liz, from fatewhen does the "Late UC" era begin and what is the series timeline of it?
>>24018711hello Liz, big fan!There's no absolutely unanimously agreed upon date but it's typically considered to either start with Hathaway or after Hathaway and then it's just all the works set after it, so as far as animated stuff goes it's F91 and Victory
>>24018711Late UC typically starts around the time mobile suits were miniaturized after Hathaway's Flash, which is the last entry with any major characters tied to the original series.So something like UC 110 and beyond, around the time the Formula project and the F89/F90 are developed and put into production.
>>24018709Military tech decline had begun before even Victory and Zanscare War was the only thing that briefly invigorated the tech production.And calling Dust's Earth Sphere anarchy an all out conflict is a misnomer.
>>24018731A misnomer, perhaps... but regardless, that anarchy was one of the most violent periods outside of the One Year War itself. Victory already showed Zanscare engaging in regular warfare between the factions of both Side 1 and 2, including independent small "states" like Macedonia as seen in episode 28 (completely with their low tech revamped Hardyguns as a defense cheap force... an idea that would be repeated again in G-Saviour when Gaia uses outdated junk Freedoms for their defense).The story repeatedly emphasizes how grim things are in this period. The ending has a huge migrant colony filled with millions of refugees immigrating back to earth as the final arc. The beheading king goes on regular murder sprees and revels in it. Criminal factions start violence everywhere. Zanscare and Cosmo Babylon still exist as independent space nations, despite themselves being in decline. The Federation basically uses a Titans like mercenary force with decaying modified Jamesguns and revamped psycho Gundam like weapons to try and enforce some semblance of order. Every tech entry makes it clear that new mobile suits with even the best offensive capabilities can barely keep up with the tech level of Zoloats, let alone the high end units like the V2 itself.Again, I like the idea, as it's an extension of what Victory already establishes and the conditions that would allow a state like Zanscare to exist in the first place. If you ignore every entry after the Crossbone series, it only seems to get worse... but that doesn't necessarily contradict Gaia Gear or G-Saviour either... as destabilizing anarchy doesn't have to last forever, and there can be periods of decline and authoritarian attempts to contain and counter that decline. In that context, both Man Hunter's rise and CONSENT's attempt to recapture control make some level of sense, even if their attempts to reestablish order were doomed to fail. Gaia Gear shows the surviving colonies as overcrowded and impoverished.
>>24018670Oblivion shows another key trait of late UC suits which is them having less and less organic body shapes due to the loss of Anaheim frame tech
Is Dust translated?
>>24018802like a third of it I think?
>>24018802Up until the first chapter of volume 7 on mangadex, but we don't know who the scanlator was. Zeonic was working on it, but stopped some time back to work other projects.The last chapter by the non-zeonic scanlator was uploaded only a few weeks back, but they've slowed down a lot lately. We'll see when/if more comes any time soon. Raws are widely available now, though remember we have 3 additional crossbone manga released after Dust as well, with one (Seerauber) still ongoing, now set in UC 0172.
>>24019389>Three Really? I thought Seerauber came right after Dust, what are the other two?
>>24019402X-11 and Love & Piece
>>24019647Fairly certain those are TL'd
>>24019729I didn't find them on my usual sites. If you have links I'd love it
I hate the F90W, not everything need to be derived from the F90. Let someone else have credit of creating a new technology. It was great when the first minovsky drive was from the Mother Vanguard.
>>24019928joyless stinky no good bad take by a bad anon that should feel badIt's still vastly below the later applications of the technology, it only makes sense the idea didn't just suddenly appear pretty much fully functional on the Mother Vanguard. Especially when Victory setting materials note the tech originates from combining the theories behind VSBR and Minovsky Flight, what's a better opportunity to have the first prototype of it than a dedicated testing machine in the same series that tested those things?
Find me a more aesthetically pleasing gundam.
>>24019936My problem is that it implies that the tech started at the MS size by SNRI, and then was copied by Crossbone Vanguard in a ship scale, and aftewards, the federation reverse engeenered the complete minovsky drive from the Mother Vanguard wreckage and scaled back to MS size.It make the SNRI the mary sue of technology development, as EVERYTHING was originated from the formula project, instead of being organicaly developed by diferent factions stealing and developing from each other.
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>>24019943not really, if you ask meSNRI had the tech, they made a prototype based on the theory. Using mobile suits for it is just sensible, that's where all the military development is centered. It's fundamentally flawed and the one test nearly totaled the suit and had a better attempt at killing its pilot than most live combat situationseven when it was used again it was strictly as a supportive function, nowhere near close to what it was intended to doCrossbone Vanguard uses the same tech and makes it perform far better, just forced to be at a different scale. Backroom deals are nothing new, they're kinda central to the setting in this era.F99 combines the early experiences and data from F90W with the practical example and what was scavenged from the Mother Vanguard. Makes sense they put together a much more refined model compared to Anaheim's fuckass Speed King if the engineers had more know-how to lean on.And it's not like SNRI is responsible for everything, one of the main reasons miniaturized MS development suddenly sped up after the Heavygun was leaked early Den'an Zon data and spec projections. Even if it was a few years too early to be a credible threat it did lit a fire under the Federation's ass because holy fucking shit it's an actual wunderwaffe compared to anything they have.Hell, F90 even with an insanely good pilot ended up wrecked in a fight against Den'an Zons and even F91 was just a smidge better than the Vigna Ghina, mostly owing to fully performing biocomputer and thus also perfected VSBR. But meanwhile Rafflesia, Neo Psycommu, Bugs and so on were just as insane technology if not more so. And these did not come from SNRI.
How good are shelf nozzles, really?
>>24019950bretty gud yessir
>>24019955F goddamn Ninety fucking One biiiootch.Great goonies small movie, cool prequel to crossbone.
>>24019912>https://mangadex.org/title/e46d3033-ed4b-467c-a48c-ccc3f6e5a398/mobile-suit-crossbone-gundam-love-pieceX-11 appears to have been taken down
>>24020111I assume the manga is more than two chapters long? Read those way back and remember it not ending.
>>24019928It was developed by the engineer that move on to perfect the Minovsky Drive in Victory gundam; before captured and beheaded by Zanscare. Remember that League Millitare are comprised of ex-members of AE, SNRI, and EF.
>>24020155Was it? I know we see one of the LM old men in his younger days working in installing it but I don't think he had any influence on the V2 in particular later on. That was the work of Uso's mom. She might have been involved in F99 but it was never explicitly confirmed I think.
>>24020132Yes, it got two volumes.IIRC, X-11 wasn't fully translated either.
>>24019947Nah>>24019955Great in many ways, but I hate those fins that come out of the shoulders.
>>24020328Absolute tastelet
Reminder that F90FF made the Zorin Soul part of UC proper continuity, built in UC 110 as a psycommu test type, inspired in part by the Sazabi's tech.This is one of the only Gaia Gear references to be made in any licensed Gundam product since 1995.
>>24020328this is a man who knows what's good and what's bad
>>24020455Did it though?I distinctly remember Veronica saying that it's a spoof used to conceal actual hidden information. Which means Zorin Soul could be just an easter egg and it is very possible that no such suit exists. Of course there are several other ways to interpret her words and it's certainly doesn't shut down the idea completely and the fact that Gaia Gear was actually referenced is big even by itself.
>>24017614is there a good list with all the late UC stuff in release order?
>>24020455Advance of Zeta also kinda sorta references it
>>24020455Problem with Gaia Gear is that Sunrise/Bandai don't own it and Tomino has said he is not interested in it being revisited at all.A blurry easter egg in a side manga might go unnoticed, but the chances of it ever appearing in a real official capacity are slim to none.UC 200+ is going to be G-Saviour or something completely new if they ever get that far
>>24020905Oblivion G is already UC200s, by its time all traces of Anaheim or similar frame tech are lost. The Fragment Gundam is built on a modified Mobile Worker platform
>>24020905Producer Ogata once said the UC Next 100 project could someday reach Gaia Gear in a 2018 interview. They have at least thought about it, and rights issues can absolutely change if the incentive is there.I agree that it's unlikely to say the least. Doing a new late UC entry seems more likely should that ever happen, but Hathaway was considered "impossible to adapt" until it wasn't. Even the Japanese trailers joked about this.
>>24021035>but Hathaway was considered "impossible to adapt" until it wasn't. Even the Japanese trailers joked about this.At least HF had been getting merchandise, official artwork and game appearences for years and years prior to the anime. Same with Sentinel.GG has none of this, at all. There is clearly another level of separation here beyond what other Gundam related works had. Even G-Saviour got a cameo in build fighters.
Why hasn't Bandai animated Crossbone yet? there's zero copyright disputes
>>24021774Why would they? The easy kits already sell anyway
>>24021776There's no such thing as a corporation thinking they have enough money already and don't need to make more
>>24021778obviously not what I am saying
Never thought I'd see the day where Grand Zam is on a manga volume cover
>>24021774We have been paused on UC Next for like in years at this point because Hathaway 2 was so delayed. Trust the plan
I just think they're cute
>>24021827I wonder what they'd sell as kits though. Maybe they could get Katoki to do minor redesigns on the MS
>>24021860by the time any potential Crossbone adaptation is on the horizon the HG and the MG will be more than overdue for 2.0s anyway. Hell, nobody would mind if the MG got one right now.
>>24021864is it bad?
>>24021866it's not bad at all, but it is a tad finicky and modern engineering could definitely do a much better jobplus opportunity to have it work on the same standard as F91 2.0 and all the F90s
>>24020174Hence why there are no WoL outside of the Phantom and their variants beyond Victory; all of the developers/engineers are dead, and LM probably destroyed all of the blueprints to ensure that none of the tech falls into the wrong hands.
>>24021931ENTER
>>24021931X-12, X-11 Fata Morgana Vogel and Grampus aren't Phantom variants, even if they source the Minovsky Drive technology from it.
>>24021976It's very interesting that the Jupiter republic have the know how for the Minovsky Drive, even if the WoL itself is still kinda incomplete.
>>24021989At this point WoL being incomplete is more of a cut costs thing.Also in the Earth Sphere there also is the know-how for the Phantom styled Minovsky Drive as well, but it just isn't considered to be as important to have on a mobile suit in comparison.
>>24022005While it's good for a core fighter for a quick escape, it's more beneficial to apply said technology to a MS carrier. The SoL is more sought after than the WoL especially when you put Interplanetary travel into consideration in regards to space colonization.
>>24021989>>24022005Maybe it's like IRL fusion reactors. We know the theory and we have some prototypes that almost work, but no one can get it quite right yet.
>>24022041Its exactly like fusion reactors because its pure fiction made up from nonsense
>>24022055You are many years behind the times.
>>24022005could be a similar case to VSBRs where the underlying principle behind them was already known even before the One Year War but it just took this long to make it applicable in practice due to power (both computational and just energy) needed for them. Which is why Trimurti can have a weapon operating at the same principle a few years before F91's is finished, it's a whole ass space station built around it.
>>24022205Oh, we have them now? Where?
>>24022212Livermore, for one. I expect some scrambled redefinition of "pure fiction made up from nonsense" that applies to their project now. Do note that no one has said they are either economically viable or produce a net excess of electricity, but there is certainly fusion going on. It's definitely still in the >we have some prototypes that almost work, but no one can get it quite right yet.phase (and possibly always will be, but we'll see).
>>24022226Yeah I remember hearing that back in 2022, still a long way to go>>24021791Woah nice
i guess this is the best place to ask: there's still no full or even partial scan of Hathaway 2 design works, right? All I could find is like 4 pictures of the pages like this
>>24022291Interesting, so they're keeping the original ReGZ as the CCA MS, but the one in the movie is the Custom. Wonder if it's the same unit refurbished? It blew up, didn't it? But the ReGZ was supposed to be a one off for Amuro
Every single Hasegawa MS falls into the cycle of me thinking it's ugly and goofy as shit when I first see them, but after a while I look at them again and go "actually this is the coolest thing ever"
>>24022753This is me but it's only ever the second stage
>>24022444>But the ReGZ was supposed to be a one off for AmuroNo? it was always just a limited production shitbucket, it's just that it never took so we only have like three sightings of it
>>24022771I vaguely recall some Amuro lines saying he had to convince Anaheim to build this one off prototype for him because they didn't think it was worth it. Might be from some SRW game though
>>24022791Even if it was an intention decades ago (and it likely wasn't), it was contradicted by other media, like Moon with Re-GZID and Silver Phantom with silver Re-GZ.Amuro might've had to call some favors to actually get one for Londo Bell.
>>24022804>Re-GZID Holy fuck Gyoubu doesn't miss
>>24018529>>24018556The Crossbones are the epitome of just standing there and looking cool in literally any Gundam ever.The Phantom/Ghost elevates that coolness to the next fucking level with its flames and iconic shattered eye scene.It's also one of my favourite "main character" Gundams narratively on the grounds that its kind of depicted as a failure, but still gets shit done. So allow me to sperg out about my love for it. Despite looking rad as hell, the Phantom is objectively kind of a shit MS. And Font is probably the shittiest UC main character pilot.The Phantom? A failed Jovian attempt at the F99/V2. It's Minovksy Drive is a leaky piece of shit that threatens to overheat and blow up the Phantom every time it boots up. They're so embarassed by its failure that they literally cover it up with a cloth of shame and chain it up in a hangar. Font, a shitty pilot but pretty decent programmer is the first person to ever attempt to "understand" the Phantom and make sense of its ass backwards operating system and properly boot it up. So the first time the Phantom truly awakens and boots up its imperfect Minovsky Drive, it's like it shouts in flaming fury at the injustices it received and sees.It's not truly a Gundam, but it fights for a cause it believes in and the flames embodying its imperfection form the iconic Gundam V-fin.It's not even really a Crossbone unit, but it inherits the will of Tobia and lots of the parts and equipment with the actual Crossbones.It's not even a "good guy" Mobile Suit as when its eye shattered, it reveals the alien and uncaring Jovian eye beneath, showing its origins as a Jovian terrorism prototype suit.And Font? He's just a fucking nerd shitter of a pilot that actually flubs most of his fights. And this shitter of a pilot and frankensteined failure of a suit saved the earth sphere in a story that will never be recorded in history. And yet people who were there will give hushed whispers of a "Ghost" in that era.
Locking the Phantom and Ghost kits behind P-Bandai is one of the stupidest things Bandai has done and they already do plenty of retarded shit.
>>24022863Everything will be p-bandai pretty soonLike all businesses, they are leaving the general customer behind and chasing that whale money
>>24022860It may be a failed prototype but it is by no means a shit MS. Pretty sure that even without activating the Minovsky Drive, it's superior than the Crossbones on raw stats alone. It's still a Gundam-like "body", for lack of a better term. IIRC the Desphys is basically just the Phantom without the flames and with beam claws instead, and it's a great ms. Agreed on everything else, it's sick as fuck. Not a fan of Font personally, and the whole loliwife thing felt a bit too... Japanese for my liking, but you're spot on with most of your observations. It's owrth noting that Font doesn't really flub fights though, he's always coming up with clever ideas and he's got the balls to try suicidal plans like comitting Seppuku with a beam saber to unlock your transformation, or flying at mach fuck towards a nuke (was it a nuke ? I can't remember) even while the Gs are killing you (which really says a lot about the Phantom's acceleration if it can render linear seats worthless). And being immune to Midas' "curse" because of your "evil eye" is peak chuuni
>>24022881> it's superior than the Crossbones on raw stats aloneNot sure about that actually. The Crossbones are souped up demonic midget spawns. What they lack in decisive weaponry, their raw engine and thruster output allows them to do all of the looney tunes nonsense Seabook and Tobia love to do. They also have batman level of random bullshit utility tools strapped to them by default.With its MD activated, the Phantom definitely outstrips a Crossbone in performance, but its the same MD that has very limited operation time and is constantly threatening overheat the Phantom. The Phantom's biggest strength are actually its large I-fields, making it a defensive monster against beam weaponry. And yet ironically, the primary purpose of its I-fields are to restrain the MD output and prevent the Phantom from imploding itself when it boots up its MD.
>>24022881Font isn't a very good pilot. In straight up fights, he's always on the backfoot. And he relies on Haroro's AI support to make up for his shortcomings as a pilot. Spoiler for Dust, but Ash is a better fighter than him and beats him to the ground.He is absolutely fucking insane though. What he lacks in piloting talent, he makes up for his steel balls that are probably pumping Bernadette full of sperm right now. His slingshotting across earth to keep up with the Nuke (yes, it was a nuke) was so ridiculous that Haroro said that no amount of AI assistance will increase the success rate of the bullshit he was attempting. And mind you, he wasn't even wearing a specialized suit that time. It was a hastily put on normal suit that barely mitigated the Gs that are scrambling his internal organs at the time. And his last clash with Midas? The fucking madman rammed the Phantom's I-fields to it in a suicide bum rush just to give him a moment to land a decisive blow. In terms of actual maneuvering or piloting, Font doesn't have any impressive feats, but he does have a big brain autism that actually lets him capitalize on the Phantom's core strengths. It's a powerful suit held together by Jovian duct tape and Font made sure to use every single thing in it to its max potential.>But doing that means that he's actually a good pilot you dumbassI guess? If you want to be pedantic about it. But honestly, for me, not really. He doesn't pull of any of the wild acrobatics, maneuvers and kills that established piloting geniuses like Amuro or Tobia does. Most of his best feats are carried by the Phantom's special capabilities. But knowing what his suit can do, doing it at the right moment and being unhinged enough to bet his own life in his batshit plans is what Font does best.
>>24022913>rammed the Phantom's I-fields to it in a suicide bum rush just to give him a moment to land a decisive blow. AKA the Tobia Arronax special.That's literally how the Zeus Incident ended. Whether Curtis wants to admit it or not, Font is just like him when he was a teen.I don't think Font is anywhere on the level of Tobia or even Seabook, but I think its a bit mean to call him a complete shitter. The guy is decently competent if nothing else. Not a genius sure, but he can handle himself good enough.
>>24022897The X-0 is an original Crossbone and it's often mentioned that it was amazing for its time but nowadays it can only keep up because its pilot is an Ace of Aces, it's basically a grunt painted silver. No such thing is said about the Phantom.
>>24022881> the whole loliwife thing People forget but Font is like 16 and Belle is just 12. By Gundam standards, that's actually a pretty tame relationship age gap. Frankly, they're both still just kids. And Font actually never really makes any moves on Belle, he seems to view her as a kid sister than anything else. If anything, he's still a horny teenager and its Tres and her big tits that get him flustered and interested. I guess Belle just buckbroke him into accepting that he's doomed to be her husband by the time of Dust.
>>24022931She should've won... it's not fair...
>>24022931Hasegawa is based like Tomino in that he dared to ask the question on whether its hotter to go after the girl 5 years younger than you, or the girl 5 years older than you.
>>24022937and proved he's a coward by not picking "both"
>>24022937cease and desist writing just like you already have thinking
>>24022934I like to think that after the Zanscare war, they heard about what the actual cartoonish fuck happened to the Group A Shrike Team and the three of them collectively went: "Welp, that's enough war for us."
>>24022946“No survivors, even the replacement members but the dust”
>>24022946
What's your favorite Crossbone out of the original 0-3 models? Do you prefer beam shields or I-fields? Do you want a non-euclidean cockpit that holds both the pilot and also two large machine cannons at the same time?
>>24018556they actually animated some crossobones stuff? what's this from?
>>24022965Fan projects, really impressive ones
>>24022961Personal ranking:0 > 1 > 3 > 2X-0 Full Cloth > X-1 Full ClothI would actually put the X-3 over the X-1 if not for the huge 3 on its forehead. Getting a huge number printed on your forehead, even if heavily stylized, looks a bit too tacky for me.
>>24022961>Do you want a non-euclidean cockpit that holds both the pilot and also two large machine cannons at the same time?what's this about
>>24023002anon is confused and scared by geometry and drawings
>>24023002The eyes of the chest skull on the X-3 are machine cannons. You might notice that's where the cockpit is supposed to be
>>24023011See this is why you discard Hasegawa's designs as just nonsense. Katoki didn't put guns there so it doesn't have any.
>>240229983 > 2 > 1 > 0but they're all 10/10 so it's a distinction without a difference really>>24023021 Katoki is so fucking boring if he has too much control
>>24022827>Re-GZIDThe Re-GZ was pronounced "Rig-izzy" in the film...so is this one pronounced "Rig-izzid"?
>>24022827Looks good overall but the INCOMS on the shins just doesn't fit.
>>24023070then good news, they're not incoms
>>24023072The bad news: still looks off.
>>24023070They're dummy balloon launchers and I think they look amazing. It's like mecha tacticool but done right instead of dressing your MS like a sized up SWAT operator (cough jesta cough)
>>24023028Rig-izzat
>>24023028"ID" Comes from "ideal", so it'd be the "Rig-Izzy Eye Dee"
when we getting the rigyzzigger
Do you think the space AK goes "RATATAT" or does it just go "CHOOM" like a normal beam rifle?
How much cool story and lore are stuck in these games we never got?
>>24023028>リガズィードYes, basically.Though apparently "G" is supposed to go into "ga" as in "Gandamu" and not into "gi".
>>24023210Its more like "rigzee" in speech
>>24022913Remember Font outright evolves into something totally different from a Newtype and is the embodiment of Tobia rejecting the stupid Newtype superiority he set onbsince the original Crossbone mangaWhatever that feature is Font displays it when he pulled off that feat of catching up a nuke from behind and during the final battle against the Midas
>>240229613, 2, 1They all are perfect imo but the 3 manages to distinguish itself enough from it's brothers
>>24021774I think that ship sailed definitely when they made the hg Crossbone x1 kitAny series is just to sell toys and sadly, Crossbone sufers from a sameface or in this case, same model syndrome as the main suits are identical and there really are no iconic antagonist mechs save for maybe, the amakusa due to the connection of it being amuros brain in a jarAt this point I think we are just going to end up with an ova at best
>>24023193at this point basically nothing since FF and Cluster adapt it
>>24023193This game has a translation patch. It's also a pretty terrible game. It's like they couldn't decide if they wanted to make it a strategy or action game and the result is some weird hybrid that fails as both.
>>24023280It's amazing how many great designs were wasted on it.
>>24022934that kinda came out of nowhere but when she went "fuck it" and kissed Font when jaburo got nuked I too think she deserved to win
it was a beautiful sight
>>24023177It's like the machine guns from Gundam Wing, it goes "BVRRRRRRR"
>>24023177god I hope that when it shows up in Hatha 3 they give it the ReZEL rifle or somethingI love silly stuff usually but I hate this gun so much
>>24023346>>24023412Fun fact! Jaburo was abandoned because they had to chop down the entire Amazon rainforest to make wooden furniture for beam rifles
>>24023454No more than one of those must've been built though.
>>24023459Listen, it takes A LOT of wood, ok?
>>24023454Realistically it's just painted like that for... some reason.Honestly if it's ever explained as the engineer in charge being a weirdo that sneaked this past final approval somehow I'd kinda like it.
>>24023480It's obviously to taunt Char and his Neo Zeon goons, since they were all about stopping the destruction of earth's environment. I imagine they also considered giving it a huge cape made out of endangered species' pelts
>>24023567I believe this.>Amuro fights Char wearing a skin coat of the last panda on Earth
>>24023574>Panda's newtype ghosts manning the funnels
>>24023219>Whatever that feature isI think its just actual autism.Not super space magic autism.Just the good ol spectrum of being hyperfixated on one specific thing to an unhealthy extent.
THEY FINALLY GOT MARRIED
>>24023314That reminds me, we should be getting our next monthly mobile machine article relatively soon>>24024356YES
>>24024399next Gundam Ace releases September 26
You think that if Amuro survived, and ended up still piloting mobile suits well into the UC 0120s in his mid-fifties to his sixties, that he'd enjoy piloting an F90, or would he be too weirded out by the fact that Units 1, 2, and 3 (the one that would become the F90IIIY Cluster Gundam iirc) have AI based off of him, Char, and Kamille, respectively? Would he make use the Next Type mission pack like Job John imagined he would, or would he rather use something comparatively more practical?
>>24024356Isn't she like 12
>>24024470There's like a three year gap between them. And it's also been years since they woke up from cryo so it's not like she's a child at this point I think
>>24022913That's because Font isn't much of a solder at all, he's a technician at best. Most of his feat boils down to his now how and trust within the mobile suits he piloted. Compare that to Uso fucking Erwin, who be trained from birth to defend the Earth form the Zanscare invaders; only for him to developed PTSD and never dare to pilot a mobile suit again (hell, the V2 were pretty much scrapped by the time Dust rolled around).
>>24019947Are those Minovsky drives on the back next to the thrusters?
>>24024470Out of ten!She's at least 16.
>>24024575The V2 shows up in Dust? I imagine it WoLrapes all opposition
>>24024705not exactly; IIRC, there's a mobile suit with V2 Buster canons; but that's about it.
>>24024472>>24024633I guess anything goes in the post-apocalypse to be fair. And who wouldn't pass up the opportunity to get married atop a MS.Just uhhh... maybe turn off the Phantom Light? I see that flaming v-fin, I would not wnat to be standing anywhere near the Phantom's body
>>24024740The Phantom's wings aren't opened up. And Forced Cooling (i.e. opening up the mouth just like the Crossbones) isn't on.Phantom Light isn't active. And the Phantom V3's Minovksy Drive is at its most refined and fine-tuned level yet, so I think it can at least turn on the Flaming V-Fins now for ceremonial purposes without fucking burning everything around it.
>>24024740>>24024786The Mechanical Notes for the Phantom V3 shows that it has incorporated the technological developments that came with the Blanc Lion into it's design, so that means it more or less stabilized its MD and can operate for a few hours without the need for emergency cooling. They also fixed the unstable I-fields that were honestly the Jovian band-aid solution to the original imperfect MD. So this means that the Phantom is more stable and efficient than ever, but it lost the fucking cool flaming aura of the Phantom Light coming out in whatever available orifice (which remember, was a side effect of its imperfect MD output literally leaking out of the seams of the Phantom and being only held together by the unstable I-field)The endgame events of Dust also left the Phantom with most of its weapons busted. So it lost its Shield is and the gear it inherited from Blackrow Shipping (i.e Crossbone Units Spare parts). So besides than the Flame Swords built into it, it's just making do with a basic bitch Beam Rifle.I get that Font was never much of a fighter in the first place, but I do at least wish it gets another upgrade down the line. Give me a fucking Ghost V2 Hasegawa. You're unhinged enough to do it. Kind of funny that the namesake unit for Font's own time as a main protagonist was only actually around for the last two volumes.
>>24024786>>24024796On one hand, it's lame since the flaming cloak was like, the main delling point of the MS. On the other, doesn't fixing the syste mean it's basivally a perfected V2 with the bonus of full body I-fields? I don't know how they could get anything to pose a challenge, especially not dhit liek a jury-rigged Zaku II with Sazabi legs or whatever shit shows up in Dust.Also, why did it go back to green? Did they run out of silver paint?
>>24024829>On the other, doesn't fixing the syste mean it's basivally a perfected V2 with the bonus of full body I-fields?from what I read the Phantom and its derivatives' engines still haven't reached the same power levels as the V2's minovsky drive even after upgrades
>>24024829>Also, why did it go back to green? Did they run out of silver paint?the silver was a special protective coating that all got burned off at the end of Ghost
>>24024829>On the other, doesn't fixing the syste mean it's basivally a perfected V2 with the bonus of full body I-fields?As it will never reach the potential of the V2 (both developers got beheaded and the original MS got scrapped with all of the blueprints burned), it's as close as it's going to get.
>>24024796>So this means that the Phantom is more stable and efficient than ever, but it lost the fucking cool flaming aura of the Phantom Light coming out in whatever available orifice (which remember, was a side effect of its imperfect MD output literally leaking out of the seams of the Phantom and being only held together by the unstable I-field)Wait, doesn't that mean it lose the full body I-field it provided?
>>24024939>the silver was a special protective coating that all got burned off at the end of GhostRemember kids, prime your kit before painting to avoid paint chipping
>>24025147Too Katoki'd for meI hate when they shave off the unique lines and shapes of a MS to just replace them with stock-standard "Gundam" elements like those feet and legs. Too homogeneous, and defeats the super futuristic look of the GG man machines which sets them apart from normal MS
>>24025161The I fields were not caused by the leaking flames, they were what was used to contain them. The container is still there, just empty.
>>24025189Sure but the feet and legs in your pic are pretty much the only "stock gundam" part of the Zorin Soul. They wouldn't look out of place in some Sentinel machine. IF you want to talk about unique or weird parts you should mention the head or upper body instead
>>24025189Still looks Katoki'd with a bunch of needless holes and slits. At least the panels make sense.
>>24025212>bunch of needless holes and slits.Hey we got a fuckin Apple engineer over here
>>24025204Maybe the Phantom V3 can still use the Phantom Light as a higher output mode to access some of the features of the Phantom/Ghost Gundam like the beam spread.
>>24024422He would get whatever shitcan Federation deigns to give him after pulling every string and cashing in every favour he can and he will wag his tail for it like the dog he is.
>>24025358And he's still crush it. The Amakusa is just a grunt performance-wise, but with an imitation Amuro computer it was 1v3-ing the main characters
>>24025688End of OYW Amuro, imagine the bullshit he would be doing if it had the experience of Gryps war/Char's rebellion.He was using everything of the Nu Gundam, imagine what he could do if he had access to a unit like the Victory that can resupply mid battle.
>>24025775>A disembodied pair of legs is soloing the Zanscare fleet while another pair of legs is disassembling Angel Halo, and a pair of disembodied arms is slapping Midas around at the same time
I like the idea of mobile dolls / weapons taking over in late UC, mostly due to the fact that there SHOULD have been a huge manpower shortage for pilots following the OYW. You know, that whole "half of humanity was killed" thing that never seems to really affect the setting at all.
>>24025826I does affect the setting, didn't you notice that in later UC titles, the Earth is like 90% farmland with only cities being inhabited? take Victory, Uso can pretty much just claim half of Europe as his backyard because there's no one around
>>24025688>The Amakusa is just a grunt performance-wiseThe Amuro brain Amakusa is a fuckin' monster of a high performance suit. It goes back to being an 18 meter demon when the current meta was midget suits. For all intents and purposes, the Amakusa was a modern Jovian reinterpretation of the RX-78-2 using the Crossbone X-2 (Also another high performance suit for its era) as a base.There was eventually a mass produced version of the Amakusa, but it was nerfed quite a bit to accommodate for being needed to be piloted by your average Jovian grunt pilot. But the original prototype Amakusa unit that Judau and Tobia faced (and nearly fucking died to) was pretty much the OYW White Devil reincarnated into modern times and given up to date versions of the gear he had during the OYW.
>>24025828I live in America, so that just looks normal to me.
>>24025829It was made out of Batalla parts and being 18m tall was a disadvantage, late UC hammers home just how much better being a demonic midget on crack is. It also was severely undergunned having only a beam rifle and the retarded gundam hammer that only Amuro would know how to use (and he only used it like once during the OYW). IIRC they even intentionally gimped the suit's agility so it would feel closer to the grandaddy>>24025831083 mentions that the top half of NA is just grain fields and they get fucked up by Stardust leading to famines
>>24025828in fairness that's just due to general depopulation and ecological collapse which have been going on for much longer. The exact consequences are somewhat inconsistent but Operation British really only slightly sped up what was already happening.
>>24025828To be fair, I believed it was started officially as an environmental effort to depopulate the planet so that the Biosphere can heal form mankind's pollution; even though wars and colony drops hampers the effort.
>>24026038
>>24026075I said officially, not really.
>>24026959Is this the MkIV?
G Gen Eternal is adding Victory in a week, lots of in the animations already shown and yet more is guaranteed. Some of the featured units are pretty deep pulls. G Gen originals like Zanspine and Rig Ring are one thing, but the two Hexa variants have loudouts that only appeared for like one scene in the story so it's nice to see them highlighted.
>>24027248>SSR Juca, not Connie.
>>24027248First time I see Zanspine with active WoL. it has butt wings too?
>>24027248got high hopes for Zanneck animations
>>24027355I love Zanspine, feels like it should've redefined warfare in UC
>>24027352yeah. two Drive units on movable binders at the shoulders and one on the butt, though I think this is the first time they've been depicted as outright evil fucking demon blood crimson like thosthe animations are goddamn fantastic toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEe6QkS2qg8V2's highlights its firepower and the WoL because that's the selling point of the AB loadout, no doubt other animations and base V2 focus more on Uso's tricks and agility.Gotraltan and Zanspine are both just diabolical motherfuckers, love to see it
>>24027375waow, these are really cool>V2Maybe I'm Mandela Effect-ing myself, but aren't the WoL supposed ot be pink?>GottrlatanI've always loved this thing, even if Katejina is worst girl, adn the whole booster seat cannon is a bit silly. It's like a Late UC version of the Gerbera Tetra so it's got tons of bonus sex points. I wasn't aware that the horn could deploy a blade like, does it ever use it in the show?>ZanspineWaow... that's awesome and evil. All the shots of it flying far away so all you see are the WoL are super menacing. I don't remember it having funnels and kinky electro whips, I thought those were just beam shield emitters. >Inverted VOh, so it's literally the Antichrist.
>>24027396>Maybe I'm Mandela Effect-ing myself, but aren't the WoL supposed ot be pink?both colors are used in the show, the phenomenon is not fully controllable so there's some variation.>I wasn't aware that the horn could deploy a blade like, does it ever use it in the show?I don't remember it happening offhand but it's part of the design drawings at least. It's supposed to also double as a beam shield>I don't remember it having funnels and kinky electro whips, I thought those were just beam shield emitters.the Tinkle Bits and the beam wires were always there, the elbow containers look similar to Victory's but they're used for the wires instead. Beam shields are in the shoulders, a little bit like Zoloat.
>>24027399Is there a kit of this thing? I feel like this is prime P-ban fodder, you can probably reuse most of the V2's runners. Though since it can't transform, maybe you do a Re/100 based on the Gun/EZ instead? Actually scartch that, I don't think it has any kind of inner frame so you'd have to redo the entire kit from scratch any ways.
>>24027248So, does this more or less mean that the Ultimate Unit for the Victory dev tree is gonna be the Second Victory, or perhaps the Black V2 from the side story manga with the Gump? There's really not much else you could pull out of the ether for an Ult unit unless they got REALLY obscure, like perhaps the V3 Gundam from SD Gundam Wars?
>>24027485The way I see it there's four options, IMO from most to least likely:>Second Vsimple, clean, semi-obscure but still closely tied to the story>manga suitwhether the black V2 or Gump from Exodus or a wilder choice like Ghost Gundam or such from, well, Ghost, or Zong from both of these. Still close tie and we've had Super Hyperion and Amatsu Hana for the Seed Ults before so it's not like that's getting in the way of any potential events.>Knight V Gundamfrom the fuckass weird old Victory manga that had lots of wacky hijinks and parody moments. It's already getting referenced in V2's EX move and the first volume will be available for reading in the game. A semi-joke unit that takes everyone by surprise would be fun>V3 Gundamthat's just a really deep cut and that game had some weird stuff going on, it's hard to say for me whether Bandai would want to bring up anything from it now. It wouldn't be a big deal or anything but they might not want to introduce advancements beyond Victory 2 in official media right now. Same how Hasegawa can do what he wants post-Victory but he can't make any suits more advanced than V2, hence all the playing around with Wings of Light that aren't quiiite on the same level as V2. It could still happen though, maybe Bandai doesn't have any hangups with it after all. I just don't feel it in my bones though.Regardless, we're finding out in a week
>>24027504>Second V Already animated and implemented in the previous games, so it's a guarantee at this point.>manga suit Blue V2 is the most likely option. Not sure if Crossbone's already in, but they have to hire VAs for the new Characters of Ghost outside of Font. Same with animating new assets for the MS if they planning on adapting that story.
>>24027512>it's a guarantee at this pointIt's getting added at some point for sure, but for all we know it could just be a normal unit in the dev tree instead or added later on.>Blue V2 is the most likely optionI don't think so, it's literally just recolored and the Ult units tend to be pretty high effort and highlights of the tree.Crossbone only has the X1 Kai and Batalla in the gacha, but regardless VA matters aren't relevant for the Ult unit that's just gonna get added solo with no pilot.
>>24027504>they might not want to introduce advancements beyond Victory 2 in official media right nowI mean... UC Engage kinda fucks with that assessment a fair bit thanks to the V2 Assault Buster Cannon, so who knows at this point?
>>24027541Different situation since that's just giving V2 a new gun, not a whole new more advanced machine or upgrade. Or maybe I'm full of shit. Or maybe Bandai can't decide. Who knows!
>>24027541>>24027546I agree, a new gun is not the same as a new unit.Going beyond V2 is off limits until they have made some major decisions regarding late UC
>>24027504I love how most Victory-adjacent side story stuff is also Crossbone content. Ghost is a B-plot focusing on preventing a space plague that turns you into diseased goop from making things SO MUCH WORSE when the Angel Halo shit is constantly looming in the background as a recognized threat, and Crossbone Gundam Dust deals with the aftermath of the war with the Zanscare Empire where everything went to shit and the colonies have entered into a space Warring States period while Anaheim Electronics have reared their ugly head and managed to copyright the fucking Gundam name because of course they would.
>>24027541I know "canon" isn't really a thing, but what exactly is UC Engage meant to be? Are they canon stories that very definitely happened and would get acknowledged in official timelines? Or are they what if scenarios? That gun looks out of place if I'm being honest, the struts almost look like Yamashita design language
>>24027562I think there's a main plot that's semi-canon that focuses on some Newtype/Cyber Newtype clone woman that gets passed around through various factions from 0079-0093 like a cheap whore.The other scenarios, especially the crossovers are just SRW fun stuff and then there's stuff like the cutscenes for Moon, the animated CCA scenes of the novel events, and the Luna Tank which are all fanservice
>>24027562>I know "canon" isn't really a thingIt is, you just described what it is.
>>24027504V3 feels more like sidegrade if anything.I'd really love V-Cannon and V-Tank getting in (or whatever they were called, I forgor)
>>24027550>and the colonies have entered into a space Warring States periodThe colonies have entered the space sengoku jidai back in F91 with Cosmo Babylonia pulling the trigger.
>>24027598>I'd really love V-Cannon and V-Tank getting inthe what now
>>24027604Yeah.I forgot V-Search
>>24027602Yeah, but it got significantly worse by Dust, because the tech level has regressed not only because of League Militaire dissolving entirely and BESPA being rendered defunct following the conflict, every single competent MS engineer of the late Universal Century seems to be essentially AWOL, and folks are back to relying on heat weaponry and solid round ammunition for their Mobile Suits. Furthermore there's an implied food crisis going on in the background, which, if one remembers G Reco, knows exactly where that's going to end up leading.Shit gets BAD post-Victory.
>>24027570I love that Peche Montagne is just the absolute worst to ever do it. Constantly gets her shit pushed in, always on the wrong side of history in every conflict ever, and is the most failgirl to ever fail, and not in an endearing way. Most moble games would have made their SUPER SPECIAL OC DONUT STEEL main character into a stupidly OP powerhouse after a certain point, but nah, Peche just is not that girl.
>>24027736to be honest it's kind of refreshing and makes total sense for a not-so-speshul main character to have damn near zero effect on UC history
>>24027729It's far less regression and more of supply chains broken and think tanks either super isolated or unfunded. The technology and know-how is still there. But the whole logistic chain of Materials->Factories->Engineer is a mess.This is what lead to the kitbash paradise of Warring States era UC where Warlords with either limited knowhow or factories just make do with whatever is close to them. Conversely, there is still private organizations like Cyclops who have both the engineers and factories to make state of the art stuff like the derivatives of the Phantom and near perfect Minovksy Drives. But they don't exactly have the funding or massive logistics that the golden years Earth Federation had, so they couldn't make too much of their new toys.It's far less Mad Max and more of the century of space retardation finally making its clear impact on the economy.
>>24027781and also Anaheim Electronics taking advantage of shit wherever they can to make a profit, as per usual. Only this time they do it through Copyright bullshit where you have to pay them exorbitant fees if you want to name your kitbash monstrosity a "Gundam" because they now own the legal rights to the name or some such utter bullshit.
>>24027790The irony is that Anaheim collapses by UC200 because they failed to produce a "Gundam" to prevent their trademark from expiring
>>24027907serves them right
>>24027790>>24027907The fuck are they gonna do about it if I call my MS a gundam? Copyright doesnt mean shit in my space kingdom
>>24024356Where do you get the RAW for the Gundam Ace?
Zanneck and Zanspine are very interesting names, they bring to mind "Zanscare" obviously but also "Zan" as in slicing in japanese.Slice-neck and slice-spine also fit, what with the guillotine and all that. Especially when they're both Fuala's suits.But then there's picrel...
>>24028088Why the fuck does the one on the right have a gigachad jawline? I'm not knocking the design but I still had to do a doubletake.
>>24028088Zanspine was a Fuala suit? Sweet, I thought it was another butterjina MS. >picThose are some sweet designs, especially the one with the cannon in the background. The one on the right's chest vent looks like an old school MiG jet's nose, it's sexo too. I wonder what the should claws are though. The two on the left are extremely Shokew and Gengaozo
>>24028088I'm surprised "Zandam" was never considered as a name option
>>24028306close enough I guess? Ishigaki's Bespa Gundam concept. Completely unrelated to Zanspine which was drawn 5 years later and had no involvement from him.
>>24028322
>>24028163>>24028207Par for the course with it being fucking gigantic, this is the same drawing but you can more clearly see the V2 for scale. Zancock and Gokuack were planned as antagonist suits inspired by Fujin and Raijin and eventually they became Zanneck and Gengaozo. Their taller than average height for the era (but still around 18m) could be seen as an artifact of this outright Psycho Gundam-esque size gap.
>>24028322That's a Gerbera Tetra
>>24028326Instead we got the retarded dragon...
>>24028335fuck you it's awesome
>>24028337动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap ForwardNow that that's out of the way, I feel like they could've had a cooler MA that doesn't feel out fo place in UC
>>24028340fuck you, it is awesomepossibly the best dragon mech ever made
>>24028343don't start a fight you can't win
>>24028344Don't drag Nagano into your bullshit, he's above you
>>24028344but anon, I've already won
>>24028348>Nagano>Not a bottom>>24028354If you want to keep it Gundam, even Epyon looks better than puff the magic dragon
>>24028386uncultured gaijin
On the topic of Zanscare, at the draft stages Rig Contio was meant to carry a boomerang-type weapon (that already went unused before) and be equipped with a Zanscare-developed Minovsky Drive to counter the V2.I wonder if any part of this setting will be picked up in the future, especially now that we have many cases of earlier, imperfect and incomplete Drive models.
and Hathaway 2 creative report scans are out now
>>24028773Was the Rig Contio supposed to be a newtype use suit? I don't think the pantsu on head guy was ever mentioned to be one but that shoulder claw is obviously some sort of funnel
>>24028795Unclear. As in, vast majority of sources whether from the time of the show or modern say it's unclear whether the shot claw is controlled via Psycommu or not. On occasion games consider it as such but that's not really saying much. Contio's wired shot claws are also vague but they have had lines drawn to quasi-psycommu systems and that's the closest thing to a clear word we have on them. Rig Contio was developed by Zanscare's Super Psycho Lab so one would assume it has some kind of Newtype technology but for all we know the shot claw itself is a successful wireless quasi psycommu weapon. For the time being it's just guesswork until we get more materials which is probably gonna happen the same way FF and Cluster are heavily expanding on F91 era.
>>24028775If only the HG had this much detail
>>24028810Isn't this supposed to have bare thighs?
>>24028854No, thats the g-saviourThe g3 is fully armored
>>24028857what a prude
>>24028860She is pure
>>24028074random single pictures from twitter and/or 2chan
new Cluster chapter released like an hour ago or so, gonna take a bit before I can find any pics probably. But the story is moving into Silhouette Formula part now and apparently expanding on it somehow.Two Mobile Machines, one for G-Cannon/G-Cannon Magna Super Destroid. The second for Berga Dallas "Assault Type"
>>24029058welp, there we go
>>24029058and herenice to see linearts for the masked CV unitsgonna do cliff notes in a moment
>>24029058we also get a reminder that Iris Orlando's dad died in an accident piloting a Draig rather than Jegan Fireball. We've had descriptions tying it to Silhouette Formula before, we might just get some more focus on it again now.
>>24029062G CANNON MAGNA SDG-Cannon Magna>completely retrofitted and upgraded as part of Silhouette Formula Project>Zeonic division criticized it as "just a collection of SNRI tech" but the performance was outstandingG-Cannon Powered Weapon Type>believed to be derived from F90 L-type, a model where SNRI improved on the underpowered F71>never mass produced but data contributed to future F7 series modelshold on, later F7 models? F72 and so on?? neatMedium-range support mobile suits>Feddie suits were developed with teamwork in mind from the start>despite Amuro's achievements EFF did not subscribe to Zeon-style solo ace-based combat>rather, the focus was on group tactics of different machines>same applies to GM, operated in tandem with Ball or GM Cannon>this worked fine for large-scale warfare but post-war guerilla mop-up operations relied on squad-based tactics>in these circumstances GM's kill ratio against Dom and Gelgoog degraded significantly>the same approach applied to the Formula Plan, with F8 series serving in the vanguard and F7 for medium and long range fire support>however, during F90 trials a problem appeared for the F7 team: the advent of the beam shield>the concept has existed since the OYW but it only became practical with SNRI's F90V-Type in UC 0112>it's unclear when full scale testing began but a UC 0113 report concluded none of the weapons developed for F70 nor F90S-Type could penetrate a beam shield>it demonstrated its power, but also meant any hostile force equipped with beam shields would render these units ineffective>at the time neither SNRI nor Anaheim developed a fully functional VSBR that could penetrate beam shields>EFF placed orders for mid-range support suits capable of countering beam shields with various manufacturers>this was a companion to the RGM-X Project competition for next gen mass production MS, unofficially referred to as RGC-X Project
>>24029062>>24029084>in July UC 0115 SNRI and Anaheim jointly developed a stopgap measure, F71 Powered Weapon (PW) Type>though not carrying a VSBR, the high output Beam Shooter was adopted as a temporary solution>however of course a VSBR does not automatically guarantee beam shield penetration, it ultimately depends on the weapon's power output>the arms race between beam shields and cannons still continues>it's simply that in UC 0110s VSBRs were regarded as an effective counter>whereas nowadays beam cannons that omit variable speed functions and focus on sheer output are being reevaluated as wellG-CANNON MAGNA>it was obvious the PW Type was a makeshift solution, just like Heavygun Heavy Attack type developed around the same time>in UC 0116 Anaheim's Von Braun branch began an overhaul of the G-Cannon using secretly acquired VSBR data (see Hardygun article for more details)>the plan was to develop a mid-range, VSBR-equipped support MS based on F71 that could keep pace with the RGM-X machine, a sensible concept>it involved increased power output, enhanced cooling systems and adoption of a design shared with Prototype Javelin (later RGM-122) currently under development to accommodate a large VSBR>originally a beam shield was planned too, but it was abandoned>the VSBR is a simplified model specialized for mid-range support fire>however, its power and penetration surpass Zeonic Division's Hardygun>furthermore, it also doubles as a binder and AMBAC limb - quintessential Anaheim design>rolled out in april UC 0120 as F71B G-Cannon Magna>production priority was given to the cheaper base F71 so it did not see mass deployment for the Cosmo Babylonia War>but a small number still fought on Frontier Side>Even today, it shares many parts with the Jamesgun and Javelin and after a series of modernizations it remains a mainline EFF mobile suit
>>24029062>>24029089SUPER DESTROID>an experimental suit incorporating SNRI's PW Type kit>development carried out in late UC 0120, a joint project between SNRI, Anaheim and Konpeito Arsenal>Main body was handled by Anaheim while Konpeito produced the additional parts>the VSBR on the right was replaced with a long-range cannon combined with a sensor on the right shoulder, ensuring both mid- and long-range firepower>the leg boosters, right arm grenade launcher and left arm heavy rifle have all been retained>it's also equipped with F90D-Type's Mega Gatling, fire-tube rocket launchers and cracker grenades for close combat>this is all to ensure self-defense through heavy weaponry as it was becoming increasingly obvious even mid-range support units would not be able to avoid close combat in the era of miniaturized mobile suits>primary weapon is a beam sniper rifle based on Heavygun's rifle, enabling sniper missions as well>although these weapons were produced with no regard for cost and solely for the sake of developing further F7 series the 301 MS Squadron of Konpeito, together with 306's infamous Galemson used these units in the second Oldsmobile War with outstanding results>Galemson in particular exploited the unit's asymmetrical design and terrible mobility to execute unpredictable maneuvers, shooting down many enemy units in close combat.>total production is recorded at 14 models, but some appear to have been modified Magnas for testing purposes so the real number is uncertainJune UC 0150
>>24029063BERGA DALAS ASSAULT TYPEBerga Dalas>Crossbone Vanguard's mass produced MS for frontline commanders, it's an impressive machine with a powerful beam shield, exceptional close combat capability and a total thrust that surpasses F91'sDen'an Zon>"Dark Tiger" squad units with monoeye disguises, supporting the Oldsmobiles>the sensors are inferior to regular models, these units saw action on various battlefields before the CV war began>As stated in vol 44 (Den'an Dei) the most important factor in MS development is combat data>CV's ultimate objective was overthrowing the Federation and reducing the surplus population on Earth and the Moon>therefore head-on MS combat was deemed unavoidable>even if random purges could be carried out using the Bugs, their deployment would require fleet battles and colony captures>incidentally, this demonstrates how Iron Mask's "purge that doesn't harm anyone's conscience" was merely a pipe dream>because no matter what, war cannot be rendered completely unmanned>that would require a system that renders the entire Earth Sphere defenseless in one fell swoop>therefore, developing mobile suits superior to Federation models was a necessity for Cosmo Babylonia>And since battle simulations and exercises cannot recreate reality with absolute precision there was a limit how much valuable data could be gathered from small-scale training that avoided Feddie notice>As such, CV needed a method that could reproduce even the randomness factor of true combat>one part of this was Den'an Dei - using EFF itself to acquire the data - but this wasn't enough as CV had to remain covert about their goals>a gamble was made: CV volunteers were supplied with cutting edge machines and sent to support Oldsmobiles, the Zeon force they resented>with these models they would gather data from real combat against Federation Forces
>>24029063>>24029106>these units were constructed using universal standard parts>that is, of untraceable origin>while any components that couldn't be sourced this way were manufactured at the Zeon factory on Ganymede, a moon of Jupiter to ensure there were no links to Buchwell ain't that something huh>strict protocols were put in place to trigger reactor self destructions if the units were shot down or abandoned>as such, all EFF could recover was blurry video footage and armor fragments>furthermore, when the Oldsmobile leadership was lost the CV volunteers took over and even recruited some Zeon veterans to join the Crossbones>the second Oldsmobile force was routed at the First Battle of Illuyanka, but most volunteers escaped the fortress and returned to CV>they gained invaluable combat experience and many went on to become ace pilots during the Cosmo Babylonia War, such as "Flame Tiger" Shelf SheffieldBERGA DALAS ASSAULT TYPE>this subtype, also referred to as Type B (due to Feddie identification code XM-10B) is the Berga Dalas variant deployed to support the Oldsmobiles>Crossbone Vanguard was at its core an ideological (or religious) organization and its very existence was dedicated to realizing the ideals of Cosmo Aristocracy>the military structure reflected it, the "noble" senior officers were expected to lead from the front lines even more so than in Zeon's hierarchy >Berga Dalas is a frontline command MS designed in accordance with this doctrine>its electronic equipment is optimized for large-scale control and direction even under Minovsky particle interference>naturally, it also has exceptional survivability in terms of both armor and mobility compared to basic Den'an Zon and Den'an Gei models
>>24029117>strict protocols were put in place to trigger reactor self destructions if the units were shot down or abandoned>as such, all EFF could recover was blurry video footage and armor fragmentsSo that’s why the federation’s future mobile suits by victory didn’t take after the Vanguard’s advanced technology
>>24029063>>24029117>its primary weapon is the shot lancer mounted on right arm hardpoint>it fires spears of a special alloy accelerated with an electromagnetic field>designed to prevent suit reactor explosions in colonies and urban areas, it's also effective against beam shields>although firepower is limited to the shot lancer and the heavy machine guns mounted on it, this is a result of focus on colony combat>depending on the mission it can also equip a beam rifle>the backpack is equipped with shelf nozzles directly connected to the generator>as tested on Den'an Dei, they provide exceptional AMBAC performance and acceleration>this gives the machine traits of both assault and close combat units>it achieved great results right from the early stages of the war>the unit piloted by Dorel Ronah, Iron Mask's son, is particularly renowned and he is the most famous Berga Dalas ace>the machine's performance exceed even many Formula series units and was on par with F91, a testament to Buch's engineering team>it's however a mystery why Dorel was not provided with the successor models, Berga Giros or Vigna Ghina>rumors suggest it's because he was not a true part of the Ronah bloodline>or he simply might have preferred the robust Dalas---->the "Assault Type" supplied to Oldsmobiles was not merely a data collecting machine but a far more ambitious project>the shelf nozzles were designed to double as quasi-psycommu weapons>controlled by the suit's biocomputer and equipped with 90mm railguns, they featured very thin, almost unnoticeable wires>this led to many cases of misidentification from Feddies referring to them as Funnels>the reactor was of an older generation, resulting in slightly lower output compared to regular model - hence railguns rather than beam weapons>although Shelf's unit was very effective, many pilots struggled to make use of the all-range attack
>>24029117meant to write >Feddie code XM-04Bstupid typo, my bad>>24029063>>24029128>it should be noted that XM-04B was assigned a lower number than Berga Giros because it was not until after the Cosmo Babylonia War that investigations revealed CV supported the Oldsmobile>until then, XM-04B was simply treated as a small-sized MS produced by Oldsmobile>for these reasons the unit's existence was sometimes regarded as an urban legend>however, it was confirmed - together with the fate of Dorel Ronah - when some Cosmo Cruz volunteer soldiers helped the Federation Forces against the Jupiter Empire's attack on Earth in UC 0133>a number of them used these very Berga Dalas Assault TypesUC 0150You're telling me Cecily's brother might be in this panel? This is amazing lmaoAlso this is a reminder the Crossbone Vanguard model numbers we know are just EFF identification codes, we still have no idea what their internal classification is
>>24029126this is strictly about the volunteer disguised units during the 2nd Oldsmobile War, there were no such restrictions when Cosmo Babylonia revealed itself and indeed we know their tech was incorporated at least into the Crossbone Gundams. Hard to say what else given we don't know much about that stuff.
>>24029066apparently it was, in fact, Draig in the novel version as well. Neat.I reckon they're gonna find a way to unify the settings somehow, they always do.
>>24029062Holy fucking clutter, it's the FA unicorn of late UC>>24029063This one looks far cooler
>>24029146watch your tone boySuper Destroid is a time-honored classic that has walked this earth with its plastic legs since before you were a twinkle in your father's eye
>>24029149This one doesn't have inverted wings muddying up the silhouette even further. It looks a lot better in 3d
>>24029150it's just a different angle, the heat diffusion panel behind the VSBR is still there, same as on regular Magna
>>24029155I stand by what I said
>>24029084>hold on, later F7 models? F72 and so on?? neatI wish, but it seems like it means Magna, Super Destroid and possibly other variations.Speaking of which I feel like is rather cool that Magna is now supposed to be the part of the same generation as Jamesguns / Javelins.
>>24029126>So that’s why the federation’s future mobile suits by victory didn’t take after the Vanguard’s advanced technologyWhat future mobile suits?Jamesguns predate CV war. Javelins are beefed up Jamesguns that were designed before CV war.
>>24029211Oh that’s right…my bad
Do you guys wonder if, in the timeline where Beltorchika's Children took place, Amuro's kid ever got the chance to be a mobile suit pilot like their dad, or if everyone in their life explicitly forbade them from ever entering a MS cockpit, much less join the Federation?Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if we had a story where Amuro's child was unfortunate enough to fall into the cockpit of a mobile suit during a crisis much like their father did in their youth, and it turns out that the machine they stumbled into was the F90 Gundam Unit 1, complete with the Pseudo-Personality Computer with the AI based off of their dad.
Bosch has seen more Gundams than many other pilots
Time to kill some Zeek civvies
>>24029232Is that the hodgepodge Mark II with Jegan parts from.. I don't remember what manga, but Beecha and Elle were in it?
>>24029261Yes, Pulitzer.Elle is the one piloting it.The chapter seems to be already translated on the dex.
>>24029232if we're posting Pulitzer does anyone here recognize what is this arm on the left? I swear it looks familiar but I can't tell what it is exactly
>>24029561My autism thinks it's the left arm of a high mobility Zaku R3 type.
The height gap between juggernauts like Gustav Karl and second phase suits is crazy but I think people don't talk enough about the height differences among the miniaturized units. It's interesting how F71 is nearly a head shorter than its contemporaries and how Jamesgun and Javelin are noticeable more compact than F91.
>>24030615It's simply a product of miniaturization tech advancing, Jamesgun is smaller than Heavygun because Heavygun is essentially a first-gen miniaturized MS so they couldn't make everything as small yet
>>24030670yeah but it's still neat I think, somehow the size differences feel more significant to me when they're all on the smaller side
>>24021791>Big Zam>Grand Zam>Zam Dunk>Space Zam>Zamma Jamma>Charales Barkley's Shut Up and Zam>Zampig>ZaameshAm I missing any?
>>24030895>Abigor is 22.6m talljesus I didn't remember it being that massive
>>24030971she is a big mama
>>24030938Zamalama ding dong
>>24029232I can't tell what that gundam is supposed to be...
>>24031026The 3D models are so fucking bad, I don't know how anyone reads this shit
>>24031039unironically looks better than Thunderbolt and Origin
>>24031026Mk-II with a few Jegan parts obviously.
>>24031026Mk II with Jegan limbs
>>24031079>>24031083What the fuck? I thought it was that lanky "costruction MS with a bodykit" gundam due to the stickman proportions
>>24031083Why? Mk2 has to be the most raped MS in existence.
>>24031133because it's fun and cool
>>24031135it's humiliation porn...
>>24031137it's literally kicking ass
>>24031139I guess it must have inherited some of El Diablo Blanco's combat prowess along with the cursed shapeshifting
>>24031041Nah, Thunderbolt and Origin have dynamism and character and is the reason why they're the only Gundam manga general audiences even treat with respect. This traced over 3D model shit is bland as fuck and only acceptable to Gundam nerds who clap so long as they can see the same robot but with a different hat.
Btw, anybody has new chapters of Seerauber and Double Fake?
>>24031513>Cluster 26https://files.catbox.moe/v6knef.zip>Searobber 20https://files.catbox.moe/j0l9oa.zip>Double Fake 4https://files.catbox.moe/fwrevh.zip
>>24031535Oh my.Also, either Belle got a massive growth spurt after she came out of cryosleep, or she's standing on a stool here.Also Also, what the fuck is that a younger Karras among the wedding attendees? Actually, is that a younger bunch of earlier secondary Crossbone antagonists there? What? Did those assholes get cloned by Dogatie too?
>>24031560> Belle got a massive growth spurt after she came out of cryosleepI mean yeah. She got stuffed into the fridge with Font when she was like 13 or so. Now I don't know how much time passed between when she came out of cryosleep a year before the events of Dust and the current events of Seerauber. But she's in the exact age range where most girls grow at supersanic speeds.
>>24031535Thanks, anon!
>>24031535Rochester's Gelgoog got completely wrecked but the chest section is still in one piece and it looks like the cockpit is opened.Could it be...?
One thing I wanted to post about is how the latter part of Cluster's new chapter is basically just a redraw of the SF prologue + flashback from chapter 4
>>24031583>>24031587yeah it's really friggin cool
CD Full Volume Purchase Bonus: VIEW OF THE MANMACHINE A machine positioned between the V2 Gundam and Man MachineOnly the back view has been revealed, but Katoki made this to pay respects to Gaia Gear as he enjoys its mechanical designs and chose to take the term of Minovsky Drive from it, even if its function in Victory is completely different.
And yes, Iris' dad is piloting Draig, as it was in the novel version.
it's definitely not intentional but Zanspine's funky chest-face kinda feels to me like Xi's faux-head on the torso, just this one has eyes whereas the latter has v-fin antennas
>>24031563GROOMER Font...
>>24031583>>24031587>>24031594>>24031602>>24031617Am I weird for thinking the older version looks better? Better faces, more emotions, more varied paneling, even the walls on her room have more detail
>>24031748the old one makes it look like the artist's hands were shaking nonstop honestly
>>24031751it adds texture, new one is too smooth, it looks like AI upscaling
>>24031802Not even remotely similar.I don't think the new art is even particularly great either but like... neither is the old one.
I love this manga but no amount of glazing will ever convince me that this space aristocracy larp isn't the stupidest shit ever
>>24031578Super Neo-Neo-Neo-Neo-Jupiter Zeon will rise!
>>24031846To be fair it's like one degree removed from Principality of Zeon LARPing and that's the main gimmick for 90% of armed groups in UC>We will honor the Zabi name!>We will restore the Zabi heir into power! (and thus reestablishing nobility)>Zeon Banzai!
>>24031846welcome to authoritarianism!
>>24031748I think better faces and the way that the room is drawn might at least partially be a product of the handdrawn vs digital pipeline.More emotions is at least partially due to remake doing it literally in less panels and perhaps trying to slightly change the characterization to be more consistant. Though in general the new style is more cookie cutter and old artist tended to be less reserved in terms of expressions usage.Paneling is definitely worse and less imaginative.
>>24031560is this Bernadette? and clones of her afther? wat the fuck is going on?also, where is Tobia?
>>24032176anon how long were you in a coma...?
>>24032176Dunno the context of the current wedding arc as I've only been reading the tank releases, but yes, Crux Dogaties apparently had a couple of bio brain clones running around.
>>24032186I want their babies
>>24032186Imagine their orgies
>>24032314inexplicably for a fuckfest of 99 dudes or something like that it's the most vanilla shit you've ever witness, even more than missionary sex strictly for procreation
>>24032325Speaking from experience? Do they just form a conga line?
>>24032352Nah it's from performing a deep soul read of Dogatie. He may have fucked, but he's not a fucker. Every last ounce of freakyness and dynamism was coming from Tetenith's mom. Not even that he's a bottom, or outright asexual either. Just inert in a wholly different way.So no, no conga line. That would imply a sense of anticipation and excitement that's just not happening in the Grand Dogatie Orgy. It's just small groups of at most 4 Dogaties. Frankly, the entire sight manages to be about as erotic as interlocking gears. Less, actually.
>>24031535>Double Fake Repriseso that's what it's called...also why is there women kissing in my gundam manga >:(
>>24033005they're lesbians, harold
>>24033005They're harlots, Leslie
tag yourself / who are you taking?
>>24033274they're small, I could take them all at once
>>24033293w-woah~
>>24033296>Victories and GunEZs are all piloted by bikini models>Most Zanscare MS are bugs and/or Fat Ugly BastardsI see what you were doing Tomino
>>24033298and I love it!
One day she'll get a kit. One day.
>>24034371anon...?I wish it was 1/100 too but we don't need to memoryhole it
>>24034375Isn't this a figure?
>>24034430nyet, Anchor is the one that got a figurethere's Ghost too
>>24034431waow>pbanNot sure what I expected. Now if only they made it literally any other grade....
>>24034453Would RE/100 really be that much more desirable?
>>24034491nta but holy fuck absolutely yesI don't even really want it in HG at all but I'd pay scalper prices for re/100
>>24027504it was, indeed, Second V in the end. Hard to argue with it, very safe and still very cool choice.In general Eternal has done a great job with Victory, just about nearly everything got in and there's some very good animations.
Next UC >>24036283
Bump
>>24036701Too late
