I’m sorry Kio. I unfairly blamed you for years for not caring about your teammates and only blocking shots for enemies but apparently that’s actually not true, I was guilty of speed watching. You’re an alright little homie
>>24018659Nice lie.Still the worst Gundam MC btw.
What
I'm gonna need evidence of this. Also, evidence that the Vagans aren't genocidal idiots aside from the girl who dies.
>>24018666Evidence of what?
>>24018666I think OP is referring to some slop vid that was posted on reddit today.
>>24018668That Kio does care about his teammates and not just the Vagans.
>>24018666>>24018671>>24018674If I had to guess, this https://youtu.be/a8EeL7h6GNA?is=WJkbWWvyQW5SHePz
>>24018677This proves nothing
>>24018710It proves he protected his friends too? Are you extra retarded today?
>>24018659Who’s this from?
>>24019017Kio from Gundam AGE. Everyone hated him because he apparently cared more about his enemies' lives than his own allies and OP is trying to say that's not true.
>>24019033Is it? I havnt gotten to a lot of AUs yet and that sounds like some Shiro Amada bullshit
>>24019057I'm sure if that sick Vagan girl didn't die, Kio would have married her.
>>24019059Good for him
>>24018659Twink
I don't think many people assumed he didn't protect his teammates. He was unpopular anyways.
I thought people were disappointed in him because he went from being a zealous vegan exterminator to joining the ranks of Banana as a no kill protag, which people were getting tired of.
>>24019033Most people disliked him because he was annoyingly naive regarding his approach to the Vagans, that was just one of the things people latched on to criticize him for. Even if that changed people's dislike wouldn't.
>>24019612Which I think is true and fair. But didn’t he also actively get in the way of his team to the point he kept getting them killed while saving Vagans FROM them?
>>24019617I don't remember this really coming up when the show was airing, they were just annoyed that he was treating the vegans with kids gloves when they were one of the most ruthless antagonist groups in the franchise.
>>24019633 Took a walk to desu and apparently this has been said a lot
>>24018660>>24018659Am I better than Kio?
>>24019659During airing too. Huh I stand corrected
>>24019663I feel like Kio is inherently more disappointing, since he essentially created his own expectations as zealous vegan exterminator.But Suletta being a really generic doujiko wasn't great either.
>>24019663Kio is a mediocre protagonist for 40% of his show because of the generational elementSuletta is a mediocre protagonist of 30% of her show because she's a plot device narratively closer to a Haro for the rest of it
>>24019711Execution aside I always liked how every gen from Flit was more and more accepting, culminating in Kio
>>24019659>>24019664Wasn't there a screenshot of Kio being scolded only for him to have a look that says "Fuck you. I'm right." and then it cuts to the Vagans talking about wanting to kill more humans.>>24019722I feel like the problem is by the time the show wants you to sympathize with the Vagans, they've already commited to many atrocities to make people not agree with Flit, and the narrative bends over backwards to make Kio right. For all his talk about "understanding" he refuses to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with him.
>>24019749Bends over backwards? Lol lmao
>>24019749You know it’s funny I think until they popped up for their mass attack in Gen 3, Flit was weighing much heavier on the murder atrocity side than they were.
How many Vegans were there? It's hard not to consider Flit's methods as valid when the Vegans seemed to be killing off colonies and cities in numbers that exceeded their own population several fold.
>>24019787How many colonies do you think they took out bro? It was two backwater ones by the time the show started and that was over 15 years
>>24019059She could have been a mother to him
>>24019828that'd be like, I dunno, subterranean mole people nuking two different cities located about 2 states over from you in 2010 and 2018 and today it's 2026 and you're like "who cares w\e they won't nuke ME"
>>24019869Anon..there’s people getting murdered in the streets by state funded organizations two cities over and people don’t care because it won’t affect them
>>24019869If the vegans created tunnels in space colonies and were caught moving around stained child sized mattresses nobody would care
No Gundam Protag is good. Char did nothing wrong. Rau did nothing wrong. The Devil Gundam did nothing wrong.
>>24019848That's what Ezelcant's wife is for.
>>24019787The worst part is the show epilogue and games implied there were still plenty of militarized Vegan fanatics trying to carry out Ezelcant's will post mortem, to the point where the war wasn't over for years after the 'final' battle.
>>24019920So, Kio's accomplished nothing. Did he ever realize he can't save everyone and not all Vagans are good people.
>>24019917I would not have objected to her becoming the AGE equivalent of Lupe Cineau from Victory. Only instead of it being a childless woman projecting her demented maternal desires, it would be an overly loving, yet genuinely deranged mother desperate to force Kio into being her child by any means necessary.
>>24019962I mean, isn't the reason Ezelcant likes Kio because of the fact that he resembles their dead son? Maybe she would feel the same way.
>kio doesn't block his ally's shots broYes he fucking does. Episode 40, near the end. Put this myth to rest.
>>24019972And a couple minutes later, Kio sits by and watches as one of his allies almost dies. No reaction, not even an attempt to help. Kio was just behind the dude too.
>>24019972Who said he doesn’t? That’s a pretty famous scene.
>>24020019Faggot OP
>>24021279No, that says the falsehood is that he didn’t protect his friends too. Thats true
>>24021285And he didn't. See >>24019977. Obright had to save the dude while Kio only cared about saving vagans.
>>24019787It's actually very easy to think genocide is bad
>>24019663people are mindbroken because of the yuri but yes she is, better than kira too
>>24021294Especially in the context of age, no it fucking isn't. The only good vagan is a dead vagan.
>>24018765Barely. Not to mention this fucking travesty, where Flitt had Zeheart and Fram dead to rights and Kio fucking stops him, leading the final battle under Zeheart
>>24021294oh boy youd be surprised how things go in real life
>>24021342This was them btw. Literally could've crippled the Vagans right here and saved Obright. Also would've saved Kio himself because these two retards somehow managed to nearly kill Kio, and Kio was only saved because the Vagans are so bloodthirsty they'd literally backstab each other in the middle of a fight to take our their strongest enemy. Kio is ontologically a vagan. He also pussied out against the giant flying lemon because NO KILLING LE BAD and Seric had to save his dumb ass and have the AGE-FX pull back leading to Seric's death.
>>24021353On one hand I can see why Kio's so naive since he's a kid, on the other hand, it also feels like the narrative wants his way to be the right one.
>>24021342>>24021293Lol lmao stay mad
>>24021353Dave Obright from what? He’s a big boy. He ran off on his own to fight Fram instead of getting on Dark Hound and following the diva decoy plan. They told him to hop on and he went NO I NEED TO KILL and flew off. Holy speedwatcher
>>24021374I have no horse in this race but you forgot this one too. Kio was a chud but he was at least consistent in protecting everyone
>>24021385
>>24021378Killing vagans is always the morally correct choice.
>>24021378Are you retarded? It was the plan to escape at the last second, as they're being attacked by vagans, including two ace pilots, one of whom was Fram, who for some reason was constantly able to give Kio a hard time after he received brain damage on Second Moon. In the same fight Flitt and Obright have to save Kio from Fram and the other guy, and then they leave Obright to fight Fram alone.
>>24021374>>24021385>kio treats his allies who constantly sacrifice themselves for him the same as literal genocidal maniacs who want to wipe out most of humanity in a misguided attempt at eugenicsWow, what a guy
>>24021401Yes and they were LEAVING but Obright broke off instead. I know he’s the coolest but he fucked up all on his own. Asemu literally says EVERYONE GRAB DARK HOUND NOW and he’s like nah
>>24021353>pussied out against the flying lemonLiterally didn’t happen. Lemon ambushes him and traps him before Seric intervenes and saves him. Not even two seconds go by before Seric says “go protect the Diva and leave it to me, I know how to handle him”. Then Seric DOES handle him flawlessly and only gets taken out by a freak accident when he drifts into a ship. Why lie when it’s so easy to prove you wrong?
>>24021418Because it’s more fun to lie about a terribly written show than suck its dick. You’re so mad
>>24021417Because he's ACTIVELY FIGHTING HER you drooling subhuman. Unlike the brain damaged Kio, Vagans have zero problems shooting people in the back, even their own comrades. Fram would've killed Obright since no one was covering him. Not to mention Obright is in the equivalent of a supped up Honda Civic fighting supercars. You know what would have helped? If Kio sent some fucking funnels to help his teammate out. Unlike the others, Kio actually has REMOTE WEAPONS that can fighting REMOTELY without endangering his chances of escaping.
>>24021418He literally watches it come flying straight at him you retard. I like how you have to lie to defend the drooling invalid. Guess who Kio is watching charge STRAIGHT AT HIM. Kio didn't react because he's having a little fit over the fact Seric is pressuring him to kill his enemies and criticizing him for fighting half-heartedly.
>>24021426There’s nothing in that screenshot anon. You need to both take your pills
>>24021418This is Kio literally reacting to the Gundam's computer blaring a warning that there's an approaching enemy btw lmao. Fucking drooling retard. Anyone can go watch it. He gets alerted and reacts like 8 seconds before the lemon actually gets in melee range, but does nothing.
>>24021424I just rewatched this to see what you turbo autists are yelling about and you’re both fucking wrong. He kills Leil and flies off. Johnathan loses to Fram and Fram flies off. Obright actively goes after Fram in a murder rage as everyone tells him to stop. Kiss eachother or fuck off
>>24021418Also>flawlesslylmaoSeric's fucking peashooter fails to actually destroy the lemon, and he gets fucking thrown into the ship because his Clanche is clearly disabled from this and the pointblank explosion it ate.
>>24021430Then go watch it so you can stop lying on the internet. You’re a grown ass man
>>24021437>fails to destroy the lemon>the fucking lemon balloons from the amount of fire Seric pours into its open vagina, equally sized as your currently hurt one. At least get your story straight.
>>24021435Keep samefagging you little homo. Fram LITERALLY says their goal is to keep the Gundams locked up. Zeheart's entire plan and Fram's sacrifice was to use Digmazenon to destroy the Diva and the Gundams while Fram has them boxed in the zone. No one fucking flies off. Zeheart literally orders her to lure the Gundams into the line of fire and die with them and after the plan fails Zeheart has a meltdown because he sacrificed Fram for nothing.
>>24021437>>24021442Hahaha you’re so fucking mad when you’re wrong
What the fuck is happening in here
>>24021442I'm obviously talking about your claim that he handled it flawlessly. He's forced to blast it over a dozen times from point blank range and gets caught in the blast BECAUSE he failed to destroy it as planned. You can even see in your own screenshot that you fucking lied, his Clanche got grabbed after his tactic failed and it's being torn apart. It's a move made out of desperation which gets him killed.
>>24021448Parasite addled SEAmonkey lying about shit that's in the show, and then disproving his own claims? Never would've guessed. Thanks for showing the screenshot of Seric fucking up and getting blasted in the face by an exploding mobile armor. What happened to "flawlessly" retard?
>>24021450Hahah look how wrecked his Clanche is ahahah >grabs his face>eats face guns How is this an inconvenience for Seric. Holy shit I can feel your seethe at misremembering a kids show
>>24021455I’m convinced that’s both you at this point but keep up the show I’m having fun. It’s funny. Maybe get a trip so we know for sure : ^ )
>>24021456>gets blown away for several seconds completely out of control into a ship>it's perfectly fine!Retard
>>24021458>phoneposting reddit pics since OP
>>24021459Undamaged, unbothered, not a scratch on him till he has his freak accident with the ship. Unless you want to say it’s just poor limited animation and this show isn’t as good as you’re sperging out about. Just admit it’s shit and move on haha. Dumb fuck
ITT: It’s really cute how you two are
>>24019749>Narrative bends overbackwards to make Kio rightKios arc doesnt bendover backwards for that because really in most cases(because i dont fully remember his arc to say ALL) he is not right he just saves shitstain Vagans while ignoring why everyone else has a grudve against them for their disturbing zealism. Its even worse because he really should too with them not only manipulating Shanalua but also causing her death.Pretty words and nepotism was all that Kio majorly ever had.
>>24021491This. Nobody actually agrees with him but he keeps trying anyway. He doesn’t even get his way. Despite staying true to his convictions his wingmen still die in battle regardless, he still has to watch Deen die, he still can’t stop the hate. It takes his grandpa finally wearing down and bringing everyone together as the saviour he was always meant to be to pull it off
>>24021491>>24021494When you put it like that it sounds like Kio's no-kill rule is just self-serving if he keeps preaching about understanding yet refuses to listen to anyone who doesn't share his views.
>>24021523Yeah that’s the point dumbass. Nobody has it right. Not Flit, not Asemu, not Skip. No degree of their sliding scale works. They all have to find a compromise. But keep claiming the show sucks his little boy peek into agreeing with him
Vagans deserved to die. Even the stupid sick girl that made Kio think Vagans are innocent angels that can do no wrong. This is all her fault. Kio should have died too. Fucking Kira wannabe.
If you anon's could have rewritten parts of AGE, what would you have changed? Personally I find the whole setting about there having been an apocalyptic war prior being just glossed over to have been a huge waste, along with the AGE System progressively getting pushed more to the side. If I could have rewritten AGE to give more focus to that previous war->Make SID into the true instigator of the entire war, with it using a piece of the EXA-DB that was discovered by a group of Martian Colonist trying to survive in the hellish environment the Federation left them in. >"Mars Rays" are actually just nano-machines designed to act as kill triggers for the population of Mars, with the Federation having intended to just use them to unknowingly harvest rare metals from the planet and then to liquidate them. >SID is programmed to data within the EXA-DB is never accessed by unauthorized parties. When it ends up receiving data on the "AGE System" being constructed and determines the system to be using data that was meant to have been sealed away, it enters into a logic malfunction from being unable to leave the EXA-DB to close the leak. Instead it uses Ezelcant and some others as a proxy, using data from the EXA-DB to develop the early Gafran and a long-distance space craft to get Ezelcant and his strike team to destroy the Colony where the AGE System is being tested; Angel.>Angel is destroyed and the entire Asuno family is all but eradicated, except for Flit and his Mother. Flits Mom being unaware of why Angel was destroyed tries to recreate the AGE System again. Flits Mom turns it on, SID finds out and later sends Ezelcant and his zealots to Colony Ovan to destroy everything. Ezelcant can't bring himself to kill the child Flit and ends up leaving him as a survivor, having unknowingly spared the one person who can keep the cycle of SID's kill orders going.>Due to how Vagan Mobile Suits are designed, their particles also passively encourage X-Rounder development.
>>24021548I wouldn’t lie about it on the internet
>>24021548Nuke Mars.
>>24021548The worst part of the story is the "Earth Federation" being completely irrelevant. Everything in the story spins around the Asuno family. It's worse than anything in SEED.Couldn't have they developed the setting even a bit?
>>24021661I don’t understand what you mean?
>>24021661The whole world revolving around the Asuno family is a problem but I don't think the world development is, I actually feel like AGE has a decently lived-in approach at world building.
>>24021855I think each arc needed more time to develop. Then again weren't these the same writers from Yokai Witch so everything feels like a video game cutscene? Would explain character names like Yurin and Einus.
>>24021793This century-spanning story only has a single family, with their secret Gundam technology, in the center of every battle and every major breakthrough. For fuck's sake, the Genoace was worthless against the space dragons until Flit's little device appeared.
>>24021661And all the named pilots except them die.
>>24022089M8? You okay? You know we’re talking about age right?
>>24022119nta but you're a complete fucking idiot if you aren't going to pretend like the AGE universe doesn't revolve around the asuno's.
>>24022340>AD revolves around Celestial Being
>>24022340Around Flit specifically more like. As well it should.
>>24022376Nine try, but it doesn't. The other factions were able to put up a competent fight outside of Celestial Being. The UNF got an upgrade with the Tau Drives, but that was about it. And even that was the action of a rogue operative.Compare that to AGE, where the "Earth Federation" was always riding on the coattails of the fucking Asunos.
>>24022407Hahahahaha
>>24022407You mean based Grodek right? Since the EF wouldn’t even be in a war without him forcing it? Right? You’re not just larping, right?
>>24022407>The other factions were able to put up a competent fightThat's a good joke.
>>24022397Nah, Flit had little to do with the AGE-2, which was developed into the Clanche.
>>24022407You can’t be this fucking dense
>>24022415>>24022413>>24022410Enough of your samefaggotry. You have no reply.
>>24022412>Since the EF wouldn’t even be in a war without him forcing itThe UE had been attacking Earth and its colonies with impunity until a fucking appeared with a magical family gizmo.Also,>b****dStop using that retarded nigger word.
>>24022418>more than one person couldn’t POSSIBLY think I’m a dumb chud ohno
>>24022425You still have no fucking reply, faggot. Make an argument or shut the fuck up.
>>24022424The UE had hit TWO colonies in 14 years land ran away like bitch fuck cowards every time. Whenever they needed groceries they’d hit a convoy or two. Genoace only sucked because they had ZERO data to work from and were making educated guesses while dealing with mobile suit domestic crime and warfare sprung up by reintroducing mobile suits in the first place. UE were treated as such a nothing myth that Flit’s teacher even told him to sit the fuck down and do his algebra when he brought his presentation because everyone either didn’t think they existed or it was a government psyop to misappropriate funds. Thats why they stayed invisible at Ambat, you delightful little cutie pie, because if they actually kicked the hornets nest they’d be steamrolled by the sheer size and might of the EF. We see Gafran get cored entirely by EF battleship cannons in Gen 1. Imagine 50 ships rolling to their doorstep. Grodek’s entire drive was to force the EF to actually commit and do something instead of just sit on their asses because it wasn’t a problem yet.
>>24022425Nice photoshop.
>>24022433I’ve seen a few
Media literacy is dead >>24022430
>>24022430So they had 14 goddamn years to develop a counter and still couldn't scratch the paint of a space dragon? This is not the argument you think it is. >We see Gafran get cored entirely by EF battleship cannons in Gen 1.Ships can carry more powerful weapons than MS? This is Gundam 101. UE ran a guerrilla campaign during the early stage of the conflict. The goal wasn't to contest Earth directly just then. Stop excusing this inanity. The writing gives way too much importance to this one family towards the world at large.
>>24022451Develop a counter to what?! There were single digit survivors of the first attack and they turned INVISIBLE at the second. What do they have to develop against besides constantly improving and hope it’s enough. You really can’t be this stupid can you? Funny thing is they did develop something that worked even without that data. That’s what the goddamn beam daggers are.
>>24022451It’s honestly impressive how you keep contradicting yourself every time to the point that I can pick out your posts, my sweet pea
>>24022451Silver Chalice. They built the Genoace off the Desperado line as a reassurance effort after the disaster. They didn’t really have much to work with however and it really was just an uparmed bulldozer at first. Problem is, unfortunately, that without any actual UE to ever fight it was never known just how inadequate it was, especially when it was handling other earth sphere conflicts just fine. To the point knockoffs were made like the Shaldoll that started more aggressive mobile suit based warfare between private armies they had to snuff out. Really tragic circumstances when you think about it. Are you at least a fan of the design?
>>24022453>Develop a counter to what?! There were single digit survivors of the first attack and they turned INVISIBLE at the second. What do they have to develop against besides constantly improving and hope it’s enough. You really can’t be this stupid can you?FOURTEEN YEARS. You can't excuse this level of incompetence.>oh no the enemy turned invisible, go home guysThat's your argument. Nobody made even an effort to learn what they were fighting against? Fuck off.
>>24022471You’re so mad when you have no argument. Why are you even still here
>>24022471Anon I apologize if I’m misunderstanding but are you under the impression nothing happened between attacks? Because there was a massive upturn in actual regular war after they remade combat mobile suits they were dealing with. The military didn’t just exist for some ghost terrorists that actually never show up or may not exist. Actually feeds into Ezelcant’s mania pretty well now that I think about it, as reluctant as I am to give him credit…Do you recall that Woolf was an Ace when he was introduced? Since nobody had downed a UE before that, all his combat experience was against other “people” in other wars. When the other posters try to emphasize how rare UE attacks were they mean it. The EF was not “fighting against them” in any actual capacity until after Ambat.
>>24022470>>24022486God I love AG’s setting. Having a period of super peace open everything is actually so interesting to me instead of just the usual starts in middle of existing conflicts that UC usually does. The world feels so lived it before we get to it
>>24022477What argument do you have? That Earth was under attack for years and that they couldn't do anything until a fucking toddler printed out a Gundam?And that's only their start of their century-long hegemony. In the abstract, the fucking Asuno family sound like the antagonist clique your heroes would be fighting against.
>>24022494The earth was not under attack for years. You’re being willfully ignorant of both the show and everything you’re being told by everyone else here.
>>24022491It is literally UC for toddlers, dumbass. From my perspective, the world feels outright irrelevant. Way too much window dressing for this ONE fucking family. Not even fantasy isekai trash is this petty with the rest of everything.
Oh. This is just one guy this whole time isn’t it
>>24022501Anon it’s not very nice to tell people they can’t enjoy things. This community isn’t built on gatekeeping. I’m sure there’s parts of your favorite show that some folks here would say doesn’t work for them. If it resonates with somebody that should be celebrated, not shunned
>>24018659Kio is a crazy good protagonist.
>>24022514He’s different and I like that. Flit is still far and away the best the show, or most of the franchise, has to offer but Asemu and Kio and interesting contrasts to him
>sperg leaves >thread instantly improvesMany such cases
