>Show on S01E3 casually mentions that Princess Celestia and Luna has a nephew who's not a alicorn despite being relatedImagine being Celestia and Luna's sibling. Your siblings get alicorn powers as the Alicorn of Sun and Moon while you get bumfuck nothing. At least you'd get the perks of being related to them I suppose.
He can't be a literal nephew. Simply not possible.
>>42466795Oh but it is
I feel like if the writers were smart they would've had the character Rarity meets in the finale look entirely different, to make it clear that this is just a fantasy in her head rather than literal reality.
>>42466785Prince Blueblood, son of Princess Opaline Arcana.
>>42466807I know Rarity claims that. I'm just saying it's wrong is all. It's a mistake.And even if Celestia and Luna had a sibling who had children over a thousand years ago, that would mean by now everyone in Equestria would be related to them. There wouldn't be any "here's one of three or four or even twenty nephews of Celestia" no EVERYONE in Equestria by now could claim that. That's like claiming you're a child of Charlemagne, yes you are.
>>42466827And I know the show staff just didn't think about this at all, because why would they. So this is only important is for fanfics. And I think if for some reason you need to address this it makes the most sense for Blueblood and people like him to think they are related to Celestia and Luna, starting from a lie, the way people have always lied about being related to gods. "Oh no I'm not descended from Celestia or Luna because they'd obviously deny it, but I'm descended from their sister! Yes, Star Something something." and then everyone just claims to be descended from the person who first claimed that. And Celestia and Luna don't care for whatever reason you want to think of which there's plenty of reasons who could come up with.Because Faust said there's only two alicorns. So whoever the sister is is certainly from long ago, over 1,000 years. And I just feel like it would be more stupid to explain Rarity being right then her being wrong.
>>42466785My headcanon is that a lot of the Royal Guards are Celestia's children.
>>42466891There's ten million reasons why Celestia might allow a fake nobility in Equestria. That's not the difficult part at all.Rarity refers to him as her nephew in Episode 3 not the gala episode so I think it's an early writing mistake. Blueblood never even interacts with Celestia in the Gala episode. Rarity says she would become a princess upon marrying him. Celestia doesn't have to give anyone any titles, they just get those legally. He's a prince because he's related to the royal family which according to Rarity claims to be descended from the a sibling no one has ever heard of of Celestia. Sounds suspicious to me.
>>42466800>Muh classic subversion >Smart
>>42466795He could be, an early draft of the 2017 movie had the villain be Celestia and Luna’s long lost evil brother. You could set Blueblood up as a Bruce Wayne kinda thing where his dad vanished from his life, leaving him with a shit ton of money and next to no responsiblity
>>42466785their sibling's power is the ability to produce a child, celestia and luna are like a thousand years old but have no sign of having children
>>42466785Alicorns can't be male
>>42468407thishe stayed pretty memorable being a one off character instead of being eventually ruined, prime example Daring Do
>>42466785>Imagine being Celestia and Luna's sibling.Yeah like Cadance's mom/dadOh wait.
>>42466946>which according to Rarity claims to be descended from the a sibling no one has ever heard of of Celestia.Or just, Princess Platinum adopted the sisters into the royal family. We know there was a ruling class of royal unicorns who overlooked things forever and as far as we know they weren't violently deposed or anything, there's no indication of Celestia conquering them or some shit. The easiest way to legitimize the sisters rule but still keep her title that would obviously be passed down would be just to formally "Adopt" them specifically as a niece. It's not like the show doesn't have precedent for not just this act but that specific relation name, Cadance is 100 percent unrelated to Celestia but when she adopted her she called her a niece, not a daughter, and made her a princess of the throne.The quickest and easiest answer to both Rarity being right and also him not being biologically related is just to take what the show gave us with the flashback and Cadance and put them together to form a whole picture. He's descended from Platinum in a royal line, like most royal families, but since he's not directly linked to Celestia it's just easier to call him a nephew instead of great great great great great great nephew. It's that simple!
>>42470789>Cadance is 100 percent unrelated to Celestia but when she adopted her she called her a niece, not a daughter, and made her a princess of the throne.While this being right about establishment is true, it's important to remember the reason she's not adopting her as a daughter is at that point in time Cadance had parents. Like actual parents who already adopted her. Be fucking weird to say "I'm adopting you now and I'm your mom, do not resist." instead of just calling her your niece that gives her a legitimacy to the throne(And nobody questions because holy shit fucking alicorn) with like, replacing parental figures. SHE HAD ADOPTIVE PARENTS ALREADY.
>>42466785He may not being an alicorn, but didn't Faust said that Blueblood was supposed to be a Duke, not a Prince? The execs wanted the whole prince/princess thing because "girl's show", but I feel he was royalty mainly because his family was very wealthy and connected through Canterlot.
>>42471521So, owner of a sizeable part of Canterlot? But what can you own? Is a giant medieval city built on the side of a freaking mountain!
>>42466785But doesn’t Shining Armor canonically get airsick? Perhaps he and some others have refused alicornhoods.
>>42466785On the other hand, you get all the benefits of Princely prestige without being expected to actually do anything because you're not a living god.
>>42466785I can't imagine complaining in his situation, you literally couldn't get an easier life than his.
>>42466795This thread has some headcanons about Blueblood's ancestry https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/41867426/#41867426
>>42473988Actually nevermind, I re-read it and it has jack shit
Occam's Razor tells me that Celestia and Luna just have a another fucking sibling that doesn't care jack shit about Equestria and just chills back in Caelum.. or Skyros I guess, instead of bending over backwards to make it make sense in another way.
I always like the headcanon that Blooeblood and his family were descendants of original pre-Equestia royalty, once the two sisters took over they didn't really had a political ground to keep calling themselves kings and queens so instead they got "adopted" under the Celestia to keep their royal status.
>>42475669Equestria is an eternal regency.
>>42470785She at least has a canon explanation of her backstory (being the lost heir of Amore that Celestia adopted)
>>42475669Starswirl raised them and put them in charge.
I approve of this thread.
>>42477032Her canon backstory never mentioned her being an heir, Celestia adopted her because she became an alicorn after going into the screensaver universe by exploding a magic love stealing necklace. >>42477040It's also canon pretty much everyone revered Starswirl back in the day, at least that was the canon before they brought them in and decided that they couldn't make him ~that~ impressive otherwise they couldn't push their message.
>>42466931What a broodmare!
>>42477163>Her canon backstory never mentioned her being an heirIt does now with the latest Cadance comic.
>>42475669Canon's not clear. The three main headcanons:A) Discord overthrows the HWE establishment and the Princesses intercede and take over after his defeatB) HWE was actually a shitshow and they take over before there's another race war.C) They're Star Swirl's students and ascend/take over after inventing new magic to control the sun/moon.
>>42475669>>42483903Or how about justD) godly beings return from the shadows and take their rightful place while all the regular ponies fall in line.
>>42466785He's adopted, like Cadance
>>42484636This is purely in headcanon territory, but I think there was non-divine nobility and 'power structures,' as much as little ponies would need one, during the pre-unification era. And when the sisters took the reins, they let them keep those up as tradition.
>>42486171To be honest, I am actually adopted
>>42489946>flagposterChecks out. Am I the only normal flag-using, namefagging, catloving, Harry Potter loving, Pokemon loving bastard around here who's relatively healthy and normal? It's probably because I was never into Star Trek & Dr Who.Every single one of you have some tragic backstory without a silver lining.
>>42490915Capitals & punctuation, NEWFAGGOT.
>>42475177>Occam's Razor>literally creates a separate entityHow do you fail at applying OR so badly? Actual OR would suggest he's Luna's son, as stupid and nonsensical as that is. But it's not like OR is a perfect framework for everything.
>>42490641Who are your top 3 favorite Pokemon?
>>42466785Hes the descendant of Luna and Celestia's sibling, Terra, a unicorn who didn't ascend to become an alicorn like they did, he created the alicorn amulet, fashioning it in the likeness of the alicorn he wanted to become and to try to even the playing field with his sisters before he vanished.
>>42496016Memory curse backfired, made the world forget him.
>>42496016Went north nutted in some shadow monster under the snow, went north some more
>>42496511>don't trust wheels trixie>put a glass dome over ponyville trixie>trixie you fat retard thats not a magic amulet
>>42496521>Trixie hears a sound like someone walking away to breathe in sharply before the voice returns and tells her to change snips and snails age in a strangely strained voice
>>42497723they just fucking killed him kek
i like the concept so I did some speculation sketches for it
>>42497984thanks anon. i think the manes i came up with are ok, colours i'm not sure of, it was just green for plants, white for snow, orange for sand/rocks cause all of those are earth stuff.
>>42493193No, OR wouldn't suggest Luna is his mother because nothing in the show or in additional media ever hints at her being Blueblood's mother (as well as them looking nothing alike). OR would expect that there would be at least something to hint at that Luna is her mother anywhere in the franchise as Luna is a major supporting character, but there is no such hint. So then, it rather indicates that there must be a third sibling.
>>42497980what would his nightmare/daybreaker form be like?
>>42498400the lich king
>>42475177>>42493193Amateurs.Occam's Razor implies that the show's genius writer (((LAUREN FAUST))) didn't care enough about accuracy to realize that Celestia and Luna aren't supposed to have a nephew AT ALL.
>>42497723Would explain why violence was Luna's solution to Celestia. All other obstacles were put to the horn (Discord, Tirek, Sombra), so why not Cringelestia.
>>42497980A prince is cool, but knights are cooler. tried my hand at the stained glass art style we saw sometimes in the show. maybe this dude was a sibling, adopted/bio is irrelevant, and an Equestrian Knight being all noble, he is green so he could be the horsey equivalent of the green knight
>>42497980>>42502072Wait a fucking second
>>42502091holy shitthe apples are related to the sisters....
>>42502072That's real fuckin' neato
>>42483903E) HWE didn't happen, it's just a founding myth Celestia introduced to help ponies get along more rather than simply acting out of obedience to her
>>42502091>>42505050I did yes, the apples have alot of greens in their ranks, green felt the most balanced choice between celestia's white and luna's blue. If you guys like I can do more art for this character, full alicorn, evil variant, more of the window etc.?
>>42502072dude hid away the earth pony magic out of fear of earth ponies no longer needing unicorns or pegasi to grow crops
>>42466785Purchased title. Getting the nobility to give you money for stupid shit that makes them feel good is very efficient.
>>42506051We do, they just don't point it out like they did with him.
>>42506063Why not?
>>42506074>To be considered a nephew you'd have to be related.No, he purchased that too.>Also such a title like "Prince" are not said titles purchasable like Viscount, Earl, Baron and so on. The prince title is usually reserved for actual relatives.According to what exactly? You may as well say that Equestria must have a constitution because that's just how things were by that timeframe. You're projecting conventions from our world for no reason.
>>42506102Not really. I gave an explanation for how it could be and you said it must not due to certain irl conventions.
>>42505893you're welcome bro, its a pretty easy concept to work with sun, moon, earth, slots in naturally. i'm surprised they werent already thinking of it for the movie
>>42505893>>42507392I had ideas, last I'll do, don't want to turn this into my epic oc
>>42507700>tumblrtale referenceRuined.
>>42507983My man i drew small horses as a pass time.
>>42508417i thought of that but not sure how to make it look good
>>42466785I thought this shit would be easy as hell to explain and understand. it doesnt take a fucking genius to understand.>Celestia sometimes uplifts ponies to be princesses when needed in Equestria's monarchy>Equestria works on a roman based system where the 1% fund the government and are given royal titles for this>Celestia once chose a husband, but decided not to make them immortal leading to her having some legal family like blueblood who are born as princes but dont have any serious political authority like Twilight before she became a princess with a title 'Princess of Friendship' as opposed to Blueblood just being a prince.Do you guys have to have ever little thing written in stone for you to come to your own conclusions?
GAY PUNCH
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>>42507700>inb4 a new general
>>42513450earth heh
>>42520017He likes to go on terraforming vacations
>>42527842Twilight Alicorn also doesn't make sense when her castle is in Ponyville, they already have Mayor Mare. Plus the new castle is hideous. Wish Twilight had kept to friends and books.
>>42528374Lauren Faust only intended 2. Sun and Moon are the Yin-Yang that "make the world go round." Cadance could rule over the Crystal Empire without being an alicorn, and Mayor Mare for Ponyville while Twilight spends time with friends and reading. Which would be much better for her wellbeing imo.
>>42466785He's a prince from the royal unicorn family, a vassal dynasty of the two princesses. He is a "nephew" in the sense that Celestia adopted him into her circle although this latter part is just my headcanon.
>>42466800I mean that's basically what they did, sure he's well groomed and looks the part but that could easily be attributed to being a royal with an entire castle staff putting in the work.Otherwise he was pretty much nothing like how Rarity expected him to be.
>>42530162She stays in Ponyville castle (to my understanding. I haven't read the comics or additional material.)
>>42532437Damn.
>>42466785I always thought that the princesses regularly adopt young children, and they're given the title of prince or princess, but are raised as a nephew or niece in order to not have a legitimate claim to the throne.It's why Celestia and Luna can retire, and choose a successor without any pushback from blueblood.Also, this is how I assume Cadence was Celestia's niece, and how she got started with her training to become an alicorn.Twilight and sunset didn't get adopted because they presumably already had parents. Maybe in sunset's case, she was already old enough to not need a new aunt to raise her, or declined the idea.Either way, It's something that's rightly left to the fans to discuss and figure out fifteen years later.By the way, Who deserved the Ticket? I think it's Fluttershy. or Spike if he wanted it at the time.
>>42466795Why the hell not?
>>42536640Pinkie wanted to enjoy the party. The party is one night. The gardens are around all the time and I heavily doubt Twilight doesn't have the pull to get Fluttershy in. They didn't import the animals for the gala, it's where they live. I have to give it to her, even if it turned out to not be her kind of party. Rarity wanted to gold dig, Applejack wanted to sell food at a catered event, Rainbow Dash wanted to network. Only Fluttershy and Pinkie had valid reasons to go, but only Pinkie's was dependent on the ticket.
>>42466785Where did Rarity found out about him? Why did he vanish into the background (not as in like Applejack being basically a background pony in later seasons)? Why did he not go to the Wedding? Such a enigma Hasbro put out...
>>42539777Nice trips but it's mostly because the show isn't that inconsistent and I presume our dear prince fell through the cracks at the writing department after S1.
>>42502091You're serious, Anon?
>>42539777He got Backgrounditis, very sad condition some ponies get like the one you mentioned.
>>42541966Some serious shit that is to effect so many ponies
>>42541966>>42542466who else has this new condition i have never heard about
>>42477998She's a thousand years old. Thats a lot of times to have kids.
>>42543910But enough to fill the entire royal guard with near identicals?
>>42538129Yeah all things considered Pinkie went to it for what it was in spirit, a partyAlthough time has made it so no one can actually enjoy the party Makes me think Celestia wanted to act the same way as Pinkie but now that she's a figure of authority she can't
>>42543264Too many to count with Hasbro.
>>42544501>but now that she's a figure of authority she can'tI mean Celestia's a immortal alicorn. Nopony is going to stop her from acting like Pinkie Pie.
>>42545609It'd look bad for their leader to suddenly start partying hard Ponies would lose respect for her if she started acting like thatThat's why she was able to let loose while on vacation
>>42536640>>42538129Applejack was hanging out with Twilight and was the first to ask for the ticket and was going to receive it before the others butted in, so just based on who has the most legitimate claim of being owed the ticket, Applejack was seconds from getting it before Rainbow Crash started loyaltying up.
>>42545636>It'd look bad for their leader to suddenly start partying hardFor outside, sure but I think the ponies would then try to copy her since I wouldn't be surprised all of the ponies there out of the mane 6 are to please her for some deeds.
>>42466785Would would he be the alicorn of? Blood? Navigation?
>>42546695Alicorn of Blood sounds kino but if it was Hasbro deciding it then it would be the latter.
>>42546695>>42547170I can see why if he could be the alicorn of blood that he isn't a Alicorn since that's basically close enough to Alicorn of War.
>>42547910Equestria could use one with the Changelings, Tirek and so on and so forth.
>>42548432violence is bad
>>42549150Nah, it's great.
>>42514812yeah, the one who disliked nightmare rarity.
>>42549843Nightmare Rarity is shit. It makes no sense.
>>42549975It's kino and cool.
>>42550322It goes in the bin that's FOR sure.
He can be a literal nephew. Simply possible.
>>42551414Well we all agree here with that statement probably
>>42470785kek
>A Prince Blueblood threadIt pisses me off that he could have been so much more than just being a one-note asshole for an episode and that the writers never had any more plans to do with him after that.
>>42552862Thankfully the fanfics really expand on his character to be really cool and greater, his stories are like a diamond in the rough in fimfic for me.
>>42553786Care to share any, anon?I love this one personally: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/1052/the-colour-you-bleed; it has a special place in my heart.
>>42553375Interesting, at least there is some new content being made about him as officially as you can get
>>42553375who's that dog?
>>42555143That one in the comics, probably Princess Celestia threw the dog out once it pissed on the castle.
>>42557569Paranoid, duuuhhh.
>>42558433ah right yes my bad
>>42466785He's one popular pony to be wanted by Rarity so he's cool in my books
>>42559537so who else is cool in your books, Anon?
>>42559960Everypony except creatures.
>>42560327Ahh good!
>>42466785He has the advantage of being mortal and not immortal. Don't have to see Equestria fall.
>>42561668but he is alive for when Twilight takes the throne?
>>42562298Oh then never mind no advantages for him.
>>42470309im pretty sure they could if you consider Cadence
>>42563185cadence was a made alicorn, not born one
>>42563409How do you know that Celestia and Luna aren't also made as well?
>>42564089NTA but it's never implied the same thing happened to them like what happened to Cadence (or Twilight)
>>42564795But, headcanons? What if?
>>42565379Then they don't want a marriage, simple!
>>42566076what a shame
>>42566562It's no biggie deal, Anon.
>>42466785what you mean bumfuck nothing he got the swag
>>42567651...Swag?
>>42568702you know what I mean, coolness if he gets to be in the dreams like in the ticket master
>>42569226Whatever you say, funny anon.
>>42466785He's the prince of the nobles which is why he isnt' seen in the show much as he's controlling the rich for his aunt
>>42572332I mean you do have to deal with them if you don't want to be overthrown
>>42574137She is in my dreams and that's all that matters.
>>42574581Matters to you but not for me.
>>42576650
>>42538129Pinkie's idea of a gala was so obviously clouded by what she thought a party would always be like. It's just some childlike naivete and shouldn't have been indulged if feasible to avoid. If she's getting a ticket anyway, then whatever, but I still think Fluttershy was the only one with actually realistic expectations for how the night would go. (Twilight too since if Celestia can make time to speak with so many people, her own student could easily be one of them.)
>>42466800Why wouldn't she project her fantasies on what would have to be a fairly famous pony?
>>42466785Celestia probably 'adopts' ponies into her family, a la the Romans.
>>42466785He was supposed to just be a Duke but the execs changed it because kids don't fucking know what a Duke is.
>>42599736No.
>>42599558I knew what a duke was.
>>42599760No, I mean I knew what duke was back then, as a kid.
>>42599760I knew what a Duke was from the autistic video games I played as a kid.
>>42600111I can't believe I laughed at that.
>>42600111>I'm here to kick carnival fritter and drink Canterlot 670 Vintage Riesling, and I'm all outta wine.
>>42603302You never tried out Riesling before? It's actually one of the better wines I've tasted.
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>>42604790bump
>>42573436He has a twin brother.
>>42502095funnily enough, there is actually a real cultivar of apple called 'Celestia'.
>>42607604Deepest lore.
