>When kids first watch MLP they dislike Rarity>But when a lot of those kids become adults they like RarityWhy does this keep happening?
Kids are dumb and Rarity is the pleb filter of the show.
>>42559770Baby no like mommy.Baby no more needs mommy.Simple as.
>>42559770Rarity is a character that appeals more to adullts. A lot of kids and manchildren gravitate more towards "childish" characters like Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie, and Rainbow Dash.While adults and more mature fans gravitate towards the more "adult" characters like Rarity, Twilight, and Applejack. All of the mane 6 are adults but Twi, Rarity, and AJ act the most adult. So in this scenario the kids are simply just becoming more mature and appreciate deeper characters like Rarity, and Twilight. I hope in G6 if the rehash the Mane 6 they keep this dynamic of Twilight, Rarity, and AJ being the most "adult" members of the Mane 6 with Flutters, Pinkie, and RD being the most childish. I also think more people appreciate Rarity's personality now that proudly and confidently feminine characters like her are a Rarity (get it?) now a days.She also has the best episode track record of the mane 6. As a character she simply one of the characters who aged the best.While she wasn't as appreciated from the start, more and more people realized she's amazing. >>42559796Also this.
>>42559770When you mature, you discover and appreciate real femininity, which has nothing to do with being quiet and submissive, along with assertive women with their own goals, who escape anime stereotypes (assertive because they know what they want and how beautiful they are, not assertive because they are tomboys).
>>42559770Because Rarity goes more onto fashion making and high society i.e wanting to marry a prince just so she could be a princess.Kids don't understand the nobility and more about Rarity so they won't like her as much as the others.
>>42559807Rarity & Fluttershy are interesting juxtopositions.Fluttershy = "Safe" and "Approachable" feminine, shy and quiet (when she's not chimping out)Rarity = Confident, Bold, and Proud feminine.Fluttershy is less intimidating to children, beta males, social rejects and low tier women so she got more initial appeal, while Rarity for some people can bring forth PTSD and reminders of stereotypes regarding "bad" feminity (confident, flirty, cunning).The thing is though characters like Rarity tend to be more interesting than characters like Fluttershy because characters like Rarity have more layers to them. Fluttershy may have been more popular initially but out of the Mane 6 I think she probably aged the worst both as a character and in terms of episode quality.
>>42559770She's passionate and knows what she wants in life. I like that.
Rarity is like a caricature of femininity, but played straight>Gold-digging>Vain & jealous>Covetous & whorish (picrel)She represents a large group of women that were damaged by society, the more degenerate society becomes, the more popular she gets
>>42560010Your pic says the exact opposite though?
Kids probably confuse her unapologetic self-confidence and willingness to be 100% herself as being an uppity diva. I mean she is a bit but that's what makes her so good.
>>42560036Based
>>42560029In no way is to appropriate for an adult to accept an expensive gift from a child who's crushing on them. Writer's retroactive cope just makes it more apparent.
>>42560029>gold-diggingI assume this comes from the Gala episode where she wanted to get with Prince Blueblood. However if you actually look at all her episodes, she's more obsessed with status and less with money. This is already apparent from the first episode when she meets Twilight and learns she is from Canterlot. Her accent, Mid-atlantic, is well known for being a learned, Upper Class, way of speaking. She really just wants to be popular. She runs a very succesful boutique. I doubt money is ever a concern. Plus, the whole Element of Generosity thing.>Vain & jealousVices that come from the desire to be popular. In the episodes where this matters, it's typically one of her flaws at the center of the plot where she ends up learning an important life lesson. Every character has flaws like that, otherwise you wouldn't be able to make an interesting episode around them.>covetous and whorishNow you're just devolving into meme territory. The only moment Rarity is truly covetous is during the season 2 opener. You know, when Discord magics her character into Opposite Rarity. And if you truly believe feminine charm = whorish, then you either have never touch a tiddy or you're one of those people that think the ideal woman is a mentally retarded anime girl with the body of a ten year old but with a DD buste that refers to every man as her "oni-chan".>TL;DR if you hate Rarity, you're likely on the spectrum and you do not understand social behaviour very well.P.S. mayor credit needs to be given to Tabitha. She did such an amazing job on voicing Rarara. Anyone else trying to do the dramaqueen diva would likely completely botch the job. Just look at any fan VA taking a crack at her and giving her a snobby British voice, completely missing the point.
>>42559770Reminder: https://strawpoll.com/ajnE1XMOmnW/
>>42560128>However if you actually look at all her episodes, she's more obsessed with status and less with moneyDistinction without a difference. Status and money are a virtuous circle.>>covetous and whorish>Now you're just devolving into meme territory. The only moment Rarity is truly covetous is during the season 2 opener.She uses her sex to get Spike's gem.
>>42560152>She uses her sex to get Spike's gem.I suggest you read the image posted above.
>>42560212I have, it's retroactive cope because the writer realized he wrote Rarity to be a whore
>>42560128>she's more obsessed with status and less with money.Gold digging still applies for titles like royalty. Especially since she did not meet Princess Celestia's nephew outside of the GGG and was clearly bothering him for him to treat her the same way she was doing.
>"hi I really like this thing, can I have it?">"ok">REEEEEEEE THIS IS WHORISH BEHAVIOURin the real world if a pretty waitress is nice to you and makes you feel better about your day, you're likely going to give her a nice tip. this is fine. there is literally nothing wrong with pretty and nice girls getting free shit because they make men feel better about themselves. everyone except sperglords/feminists are happy with this arrangement, aka bitter people who see normal social interaction as malevolent and exploitative.
>>42560270Yes, the only man who should be supporting a woman is her husband or father. This "waitress as budget onlyfans GF experience" bullshit is ridiculous. Tipping waitresses was about helping single mothers make ends meet back when they couldn't get well-paying jobs, not about paying a woman for "making you feel good". That's gross.
>>42560243>GGGBro, you can't just throw that abbreviation around without facing the consequences
>>42560241>retroactive copeExcept we only have your headcanon to base that on. I say that's how it was always meant to be and neither of us can be proven right or wrong.
Rarity is shit.>b-bu-SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.
>>42560413https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DceZqJxBI9sWatch the scene, you would have to be severely autistic or dishonest to say that she wasn't trying to get that gem, even if you accept the cope that the mane wave is a Spike hallucination.
Jesus, Rarity really makes the shills come out of the woodwork.She truly is top quality horse.
>>42560405What?
>Somebody disagrees with me? That proves I'm rightRarafags, this is your mindset
>>42560131I was a RarityChad from pretty much the very start. When I first started watching G4 I was only undecided between Twilight and Rarity but Rarity quickly became my favorite.>All those Flutterfags joining the RariNationWhy does this happen?
>>42560669Fluttershy and Rarity both represent different facets of femininity. Fluttershy is the tradwife momma bear, Rarity is the boss bitch who will die alone.
When you're an adult you realize she's the funniest character
>>42560688>Rarity is the boss bitch who will die alone.>Implying she didn't have an affair with Twilight behind the scenes
>>42560691She very much is.
>>42560697Lesbianism is a cope for women who are too damaged or have too high standards to have a good heterosexual relationship
>>42560697Celestia just standing there watching Rarity struggle to throw a boulder to save her most faithful student from the villainous trio
>>42560713She knows how to delegate
>>42560697>when your entire episode's theme is subverting expectations
>>42560713Nonners...
>>42560713Wasn't this after Celestia lost her magic?
>>42559770 I personally don't get what makes you think that. I'm not saying that Rarity is awful, but she has a lot of flaws, especially flaws that contradict her character. For instance, she is the element of generosity, but also tends to take from others and is willing to do subtle things at other ponies' expense in order to achieve her goals. At times she cares more about status than genuine friendships and puts them in uncomfortable situations. Many people have done the same to me in much worse situations, sometimes with good intentions, sometimes with very bad intentions. Rarity is rather mild and is by no means a bad pony.Now, I think it's important to note that while these flaws make me like Rarity less than other ponies, when you take a look at what she does, it makes sense. She is running a business, not a charity, and while she loves to perform small acts of kindness, she also expects the same from others. She tries to use the people around her to the best of her ability so that she can fulfill her dreams. I think it's rather smart, but it also rubs me the wrong way. She has a dream and she is going to try to make it, and I think that is admirable.Now it's time to shill for my wife. Pinkie is rather the opposite. She doesn't really care about status or money or anything of that nature, but rather the genuine relationships she builds. To her, the only currency she needs is a smile. Of course, she probably has a way of organizing bits so that she is able to party, but that's beside the point. Pinkie Pie is childish compared to the more adult Rarity, but it is that child-like personality which I think is, ironically enough, is far wiser than the ethos of status and disingenuousness that Rarity is trying to navigate.
>>42560707I mean I'd rather get with a never aging goddess than a stallion. >But Discord doesn't age either!Yeah but he's annoying as hell. >>42560713So useless that even the Unicorn who doesn't care about using her magic for combat had to step up... >>42560720It was the best moment of the whole episode.
>>42560780>Now it's time to shill for my wifeYour wife is cheating on you.
>>42560810>It was the best moment of the whole episode.Agreed
>>42560835Based
>>42560810so badly subverting expectations until subversion of expectations is good? meta subversion?
>>42560697Twilight owes Rarity sex for that.
>>42559770Huh. When s1&2 aired, I was at uni and had future, I liked Pinkie the most and saw Rarity as annoying. Now I love annoying shit and my favorite M6 pony is Dashie. It's not the same, clearly, but you may be onto something.
>>42560823Well, technically she is my waifu, not my wife, but yeah, she isn't mine. What's worse is that Cheese is a good pone. I just don't know what went wrong ;c;
>>42560857>immediate cuck mindsetlel
>>42560865What do, oh wise Anonymous? Please show me the way of the waifu.
>>42560857Didn't know MLP fandom moderator ImperfectXIII posted on /mlp/.. Now that you are here, could you please capitalise every "Is" in "My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic"?
>>42559770Rarity is the most complex of the mane 6. When you're young or autistic, you see the surface that's vain full of vices like making others do the hard stuff so she has an easier time herself or just getting too excited about hitting it big in the jet set to realize what she's doing to others.Growing older is realizing that's just a thin layer on top of her heart of gold. She cares for her friends and isn't selfish in the slightest and is ready to abandon her dreams for her friends if need be. I think she's the only character we see do that exact thing, toss away her dream of being a part of the upper class for her friends. She's headstrong, intelligent (in a different way than Twilight), hardworking, and, yes, vain.In other words, she's complex.
>>42560924Also she's a self-made mare who owns a chain of successful boutiques.
>>42560924Good post
>>42560713What's she gunna do, job again?
>if Pinkiefag did not make an attempt to murder Weird Al, he's a cuckI guess, thats the rule. As on the topic:>passionate>actually has selfish behavior like every normal person woukd do >actively trying to control it like any good person would do>invented a step two in the book by cover presumption: by helping to make the cover look better>romantic and emotional>yet caring as wellShe's an amazing character and a top tier wife material. With woman/mare like Rarity by his side, the man/stallion would achieve stars.
>>42561324If they reuse the Mane 6 for G4 I hope they don't take the cowards way out and sanitize Rarity's personality. I want the good aspects of her but I want the less good aspects like her manipulations, and drama queen stuff to still be in tact.Pipp could still be a bitch in G5 so there's hope.
I don't hate Rarity. She's a funny character. But I would never be her friend.
My thing with Rarity is I feel like you really have to go out of your way to gloss over her flaws for her to not kinda be a shitty person. I know her episodes are considered "the best" of the mane 6, but I really think the only reason people say that is because her episodes are an almost constant rise for her. She never really loses or suffers any hard setbacks in achieving her goals. Pretty much every Rarity episode has her getting the thing she set out to get regardless of what happens between the start and ending. Frankly, I find her one of the more boring characters in the show specifically because there isn't really any conflict with her. When you realize she's never going to lose, it takes the fun out of it.But back to her personality, the issue I have with Rarity is that she was very clearly favored by the writers, and as a result the narrative allows her to get away with things other characters don't. If you actually cross reference the way she usually is compared to the worst behavior of other characters, she is kinda a bitch. She always just gets a free pass for behaviors that other characters get raked over the coals for. Even once in a blue moon when she does have to admit fault for something, she still gets far gentler treatment than other characters do. I just don't find the highlights of her personality all the redeeming compared to the low points that almost no one brings up because most of the series itself glazed over those parts.Basically, unless the biggest thing you care about is receiving expensive gifts, I don't really find her to be all that great of a friend.
>>42560924toward her friends who love validating her, of coursethe borderline psychopathic and manipulative tendencies start to shine through the cracks of her personality when she interacts with strangers she perceives to be lower on the social ladder than her complex is right but heart of gold is a stretch. you can love a character without them being a perfect angel though anon
>>42561580>toward her friends who love validating her, of courseI mean, even then it can be kind of a stretch. You posted Spike, but when he isn't around, she's pretty prone to treating Applejack the same way she would treat him. Made in Manehattan is basically an entire episode of Rarity treating her more like an accessory and being pretty disregardful of her. I can't think of very many other episodes where one of the mane 6 is almost having a nervous breakdown and the other member of the group does nothing to try and help them.
>>42560131Tbh I voted "Rarity from the start", but considering the start as when I genuinely chose a favorite character, because before that I went back and forth between the Mane 6 for a long time, but I never stuck with one, until eventually I fell in love with Rarity.So yes, even though I didn't exactly migrate waifu/fav pone, she grew on me over time, not love at first sight.
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Writers always had Rarity abuse Spike as a joke like the audience is supposed to just not judge her for it
>>42561665I don't think she abuses Spike, does she? She certainly takes advantage of him and that's a gag you're expected to laugh but I don't think she's shown knocking him down a peg when he acts up or anything like that.
>>42561665That's not how this works. It doesn't matter if the writers treated it as a joke, if we're supposed to judge other characters for equivalent actions, then she can be judged by the same standard.
>>42561674>knocking him down a peg when he acts upthats something an actual friend would do>She certainly takes advantage of himthis is soullessness on display
>>42561685Sure I'm not saying it's a positive trait, I'm just saying it's not portrayed as outright abusive. When she has Sweetie Belle pull the cart in Sleepless in Ponyville it's demanding and disrespectful but not abusive.
>>42561691>>42561674There was the one episode where she used him as a pin cushion. That was somewhere in season 1/2 I think.
>>42561691rarity isnt a full on abuser shes just really good at hiding it
>>42561696It's in Green Isn't Your Color. And there's a line where Spike says it doesn't get through the scales, so it's hard to argue that's actually abusive, just weird.
>>42561707>And there's a line where Spike says it doesn't get through the scalesSure he says that, but doesn't he also wince? I always took it as him brushing it off as not hurting to try and look tough to impress Rarity.
>>42561580the loving manipulator is a great rarely well executed internal conflict in fiction. See Mack in the Cannery Row novel, I don’t think there’s a better example. There was a lot of missed potential in Rarity.
>>42562021>the loving manipulator is a great rarely well executed internal conflict in fictionIf the mane 6 are rebooted I hope they double down on this trait.
>>42561718Nah, he says after that even if did hurt he'd still do it for the most beautiful creature in the world while swooning. And he's saying that to Twilight, not to Rarity.
>>42561580your ignoring the very large majority of material and cherrypick a few moments that are played as gags in the show, and point at that to claim that's what a character is really like. You can do that with any character to make them look awful. It's just dumb.
>>42561537>she was very clearly favored by the writersI dont think so. Developing Spike "relationship" out of the character introduction method in ep1 wasn't exactly "favorable" decision, once you realise it most commonly makes Rarity to look cruel for no reason.
>>42562572But the writers wrote most of those scenes as a joke, so regardless of how it makes Rarity look objectively, I don't think that goes against the writers favoring Rarity since most of them didn't think highly of Spike in the first place.>>42562525I think this is slightly disingenuous. While yes, any character can be cherry picked to look good or bad, some characters require more cherry picking than others do. In regards to Rarity specifically, it takes way more mental gymnastics to make her look good than it does Pinkie Pie, Twilight, or Applejack imho. The show generally made way more exceptions for Rarity than it did the other characters.
>>42561537I think picrel is a decent microcosm of what I'm talking about in the way Rarity was often treated by the writers. Rarity gets thrown a few feet, and a net is brought up to cushion the impact for her, while other characters are thrown straight into a building with nothing done for them. Rarity only comes across as pretty and well handled compared to other characters because she was allowed to get away with more than the others were. If she was actually held to the same standard that other characters were, I guarantee that she and her episodes wouldn't be anywhere near as fondly remembered. Rarity is so often insulated from the negative outcomes of her characterization that people forget those more negative details of her exist. For as much as people speak of "Her flaws make her more interesting", those very same people will very often ignore the worst of her flaws specifically because they make her too unlikable when you actually factor them in.
>>42562684God I hated that stupid comic so much.>I can't possibly use force to stop these violent criminals! That wouldn't be right!
>>42562684>THEY'RE CATTLEWhoa Twilight, soften your antisemitism there.
>>42562684This one just shows that Pinkie is a dick, while Twilight is a good friend, lol.
>>42562744>Twilight knows bulls and minotaurs are goysFucking bitch, she was selling out just to get the dosh!
>>42562734It's even worse, since she apparently can use magic to arrest them when they vandalize a monument, but not when they're assaulting and stealing from ponies. And the entire point of outlaws is that they exist outside the protection of the law, that's the whole reason they're called outlaws in the first place.>>42562773Not really. What the hell is Pinkie supposed to do? She's not the one with telekinesis powers. And Twilight was still standing right there besides, and id nothing to try and catch Applejack the way she did with Rarity. Pretty much the only way you can interpret that is that Twilight cares about Rarity's safety more than AJ's. Honestly, the mane 6 tend to treat Applejack pretty shittily all things considered. She definitely seems to get the short end of the stick in most interactions.
>>42562838Minotaur just instantly kicked Applejack, leaving no time for Twilight to react.Also, comic books are not canon.
>>42562920>leaving no time for Twilight to react.But she had time to react to Rarity being thrown?>comic books are not canon.Not the point. The point is how much the writers go out of their way to treat Rarity with kid gloves compared to other characters. The comic pages just presented a good comparison since it's a 1 to 1 situation, rather than comparing a comic to an episode. There are episode to episode comparisons that could be made too, this was just the easiest to visually represent.
>>42559770Since Season 2 started, Rarity grown in my favorite character.
>>42562939>But she had time to react to Rarity being thrown?He literally took her second and held her log enough to say the line. >Not the point. The point is how much the writers go out of their way to treat Rarity with kid gloves compared to other characters.Do you even understand that those are made by completely different teams? Also, FiM didnt have a character bible.
>>42561674>She certainly takes advantage of him and that's a gag you're expected to laughIs it though? Here you have a writer coping that her obviously using her sex to get Spike's expensive gem is all a big misunderstanding >>42560010In fact she gets a total pass for being covetous despite the episode excoriating covetousness (ironically, Spike's)
>>42562684>comics>canonpick one
>>42562684>people will very often ignore the worst of her flaws specifically because they make her too unlikable when you actually factor them in.People don't ignore flaws. They understand when something is being played for drama. No one is perfect, every mane 6 character has her shit moments, and always for a reason. If you cannot deal with someone's negatives, you don't deserve the positives.
Hey, I love Rarity. No matter how many flaws She has, no metter how bad Her selfish self behaves, by the end of the day She'd still be my sweety cutie beauty.
>>42560010She represents feminity lost.
>>42563530>People don't ignore flaws.They absolutely do.>every mane 6 character has her shit moments, and always for a reason. If you cannot deal with someone's negatives, you don't deserve the positives.I already addressed all this.
Anybody who pulls out the comics to try and make a point should be safely ignored
>>42565735The point was about the writers, not the events themselves. This page only fuels my point more, as the whole thing I'm trying to point out is how much harder the writers will go against other characters for something while letting Rarity off way easier for similar things. I can't think of a single comic where anyone went as hard against Rarity as Zecora does against AJ here, even when she does way worse. Now I suppose you could argue whether that's truly them being biased for Rarity, or if it's just them being biased against Applejack, it's harder to say. But I feel reasonably confident in saying most of the people who wrote for this series probably related a lot to Rarity, and as a result were more biased in her favor.
>>42565754Didn't read lol
>>42565763Here's a TL;DRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k95DSQbQmJY
>>42565778Didn't watch lol
>>42565735>they made Zecora insaneWhy? She was the best?
