Are waifufags even real? It seems to me that the people that claim to have waifus are just doing it to fit in.Every time I see somebody gush about their waifu I can't help but think he would drop his waifu for even a crumb of attention from a 3dpd. Or that this is like his 15th "true love".As someone who never had a waifu or gave a shit about relationships, it just seems baffling to me.I can't help but think of that one infamous screencap of the guy that got caught having two waifus on different boards during one of the valentine's day threads. Anons were shitting on the guy but I bet that most of them were doing the exact same thing.
>>42596719It's this >>42595568
>>42596719For those whom it is real, it seems more like religion than a relationship. Most of the time, at least.
>>42596719i've been fake waifu and real waifu. usually ill get obsessed with a character for a few weeks or months and i know its temporary but it feels nice for a while, like with toko fukawa danganronpa. i havent played the game in six years but when i did i really liked her freak nature. nowadays im a trixiefag (i guess) and ill say that shes really cool and stuff, ill be horny about different horses publically and loudly because its funny but trixies #1 for some reasons. and then there is my wife. you know its serious because i call her "my wife" and not "my waifu". she's the only person i really trust in the world, only one with whom i feel safe in intimacy. i receive my fair attention from 3dpd of both sexes but i am not able to reciprocate because that's not my wife. we are going to california to get married, unsure when ill have the time to do it. i'm getting my name changed and everything. i dont tell people her name, because reputation feels cheaper than her reality. its not a pony FWIW. i've known her for.... oh fuck, it's gonna be 11 years soon, but we only got "engaged" earlier this year. i'd say its real
>>42596719Internet isn't a serious business.Nothing is real, not even the guy that you think you're trolling.
>>42596793True.>t. Waifufag
would never drop waifu for 3DPG cause i am autistic
>>42596894three dimensional parental guidance?
>>42596899mistype it’s 3am
>>42596726Said it before, and I'll say it again.There are no waifufags
>>42596719>Are waifufags even real? Waifufags in the original sense of the word are exceedingly rare and vastly outnumbered by normies who use the term "waifu" as synonym for "favorite character of a given selection" or "would fuck" or "has mass appeal". Between the extremes of uncommitted coomer and legally wedded devotee, there exist people who may or may not be playing house with their imaginary marefriends, but they do each have a lifelong commitment to that fictional character they love truly. >It seems to me that the people that claim to have waifus are just doing it to fit in.Events such as the Waifu Dinner will have "false waifufags" join who just think it's a fun activity, but that has no bearing on the lives of the "real waifufags". I don't fulfill all criteria for being a true, true waifufag myself, but I'm dead-set on my Discordfaggotry nonetheless. Live and let live. >>42596899You're joking now, but the three-dimensional parental guidance is srs bsns, son. Expect outraging ID verification processes to keep your 4chan shitposting privileges, boy.
>>42596719 Most are larpers, like tulpafags. Just with less gay grooming, or at least I hope so. I think the real ones keep it private, while those trying to convince themselves are the loudest here. That's why Waifu Wednesday is full of larpers with 3DPD, for example.
>>42596719>It's another "offboarder retard says you're larping" episodeYes you're right, damn you found me out, totally shit all over my fantasy, guess it's time to cut the act and go home, thanks for setting me straight, peon.
>>42597135Awfully defensive for no reason
>>42597610Just revel in your sick flex, OP, 'no real waifufags', damn man, i'm cooked.
>>42596719I think the number of people out there who'd consider all of their needs entirely fulfilled by a committed relationship with a fictional character is exceptionally slight. Mostly everyone else who dabbles in it isn't afflicted with severe enough autism to meet the most exacting 'no 3D, no other ponies, no exceptions' standard. Plus, for those who don't want a 3D, that's likely less due to the strength of their 2D commitment and more due to the fact that, for one reason or another, they never intended to look for one in the first place. The true, upright, exemplary, gold star waifufag likely doesn't exist, and if he does, then he's probably found out that it's lonely at the top.
>>42596719I fag Trixie for life. Even if I've come to like Fluttershy or Twilight, Trixie has always remained best pony. It comes down to just really connecting with a character + finding them hot.
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>>42597809bump
>>42596719Long story short, they exist, but the definition of what a waifufag is has been distorted. Some conflate a waifu with being an imaginery friend rather than a real relationship, so then being in a relationship with 3d and your waifu is justified in their minds. Yet, it seems like there are romantic feelings for their waifu, but it also not really. To me, it seems like they are somewhat conflicted. On the one hand, they love their waifu, but they know deep down inside that they don't exist and can't provide things that a real relationship can. Yet, they still cling to the ideal. That's my theory anyway as a waifufag myself, or at least I think I am. I don't think we should view these individuals with distane, but with pity. They are simply trying to figure things out, same as all of us. And as one Anon put it>>42597669>The true, upright, exemplary, gold star waifufag likely doesn't exist, and if he does, then he's probably found out that it's lonely at the top.I think true waifufags exist, but they are very slim and I doubt they are mentally well, like myself. As for personal experience, I wouldn't consider a relationship with a 3dpd because a lot of them just seem to not be all there, or don't have their priorities straight. Its a big reason why I love Pinkie so much. That's not to say I don't feel feelings for other ponies, for example Rarity, but that is mostly on a sexual level, although she can be very caring at times. Still, Pinkie is the one, I know she is.To summarize, I think the imaginery nature of waifufagging gives Anons the idea that they can live double lives, as technically the relationship isn't real and can't fulfill everything they need. Its not an orthodox view, and personally I think commitment is a big issue amount waifufags, but we shouldn't blame them, but pity them and try to help them through what their going through. Life ain't easy. If it was, waifus probably wouldn't exist lets be real.
>>42596719Also, awesome pic of Tree Hugger. Underrated pone!
/waifu/ Im in a pickle and could use your wisdom.Ive been faithful and loyal to my original waifu, Lyra Heartstrings, from the start, never a doubt before, and even now I know she will always be my fav- but a fav isnt exactly a waifu is it?Lately ive been troubled with thoughts about>well what is her real personality? >does she have substance to her character or is it just that I find her pleasing to look at? >there are actual characters in the show that aren't just fancanon receptaclesAnd that eventually leads me to thinking maybe Applejack would be a better fit? Maybe I could better improve myself with somepony that matches the ethic im trying to achieve. But she isnt the one I love, at least not yet. It also doesn't help that tupperware forcing hasn't been as easy with Lyra, especially in the visualization component, but also with the worry of parroting instead of just taking responses to heart or even just hearing them initiate with opinions and quips. What can be done about all this doubt in my heart?
>>42596793Exactly. A relationship with your god (or your muse or your local nature spirit or whatever the fuck invisible friend you have) is obviously a totally different thing from a relationship with a person. Your invisible friend helps you with love and peace, and your physical friend helps you with hard work and resources. Everybody has dozens and dozens of relationships in the general sense. We all have a limited amount of time and attention to give to things, but no single relationship can satisfy every need - except when you're a baby and you're small enough that you only need mommy. When you grow up, you realize friendship has a place, romance has a place, parenthood, teacherhood, studenthood, workerhood, bosshood; all have their own little economy. Our culture mostly rejects invisible relationships, but they too have a place and their own economy of needs - we sustain them with attention and care, prayers, creative work, community celebration, etc.; and in return they give us love.Let's be real. Waifuism has nothing to do with 3dpd, it neither conflicts with nor requires rejection of other people. Devotion to a waifu happens in its own track, with its own requirements and rewards, completely separate from devotion to people. This whole thing conflating waifuism and chastity is a cultural quirk. And where do you think that quirk comes from except plain old /r9k/ incel brainworms (and maybe a smattering of life experience)? It seems like it's most often a tool to talk down about others and boost one's own ego. That being said, I definitely understand why people do it and hold this chastity in such high regard. It's a way to prove to yourself and others that you're really truly devoted. I would rather show my devotion by playing my full part in the real world, to bring the virtues of my waifu into manifestation, and I'm confident she would much prefer this to becoming a waifu-ascetic and abandoning the needs of my body and my tie to this earth. Neither path is easy but at least one is healthy, in my book.
>>42598053I think you need to go back to your roots and remind yourself WHY you like Lyra so much.Her character is 90% headcanon so you need to revisit the things that colored your perception, whether it be a fic/green or some fanart.>>42598103>incel incel incel reee r9kYou can't say you love your waifu if you have a 3dpd. This spiritual mumbo jumbo is just some Xavier Renegade Angel tier coping bullshit.
>>42596726thanks for linking a quality thread
>>42598053You see this as a trouble, but I see it as a very exciting time in your journey! Getting to know your waifu on a deeper level is a wonderful experience, but it can also be very uncertain. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.>well what is her real personality?>does she have substance to her character or is it just that I find her pleasing to look at?>there are actual characters in the show that aren't just fancanon receptaclesWell that is difficult to say even for established characters. A good place to start would be to think about her daily routine, her interests, hobbies, friends, what does she dream and want to achieve in her life? A good start would be to ask these questions, then try to answer them. I personally find that writing something, it can be a green or a fanfic or anything really, just make sure to write about her and who she is. As you go on, you can start writing about her relationship with you and how that works and as time goes on, every blank is filled with substance. Sure, maybe you are doing a lot of the work, but this work is done with any waifu, including the mane 6. Don't feel like you have to find another waifu all because you feel like its fake or another might be a better fit, work with what you have and see if this love of yours really is real. It will take a while, but you will know in the end if this feeling is real. I wish you the best of luck. Also, make sure to feed her oats, she loves them!
>>42598053>her characterThe character you've fallen in love with isn't out there on the screen - we hear ten words and imagine a whole human mind behind them. Who cares?>her substanceYou have to look at who you think she is. That's her substance. The screen has even less - just visuals and sounds - you're the only one who can feel her feelings and think her thoughts. Those are a pretty significant part of what you fell in love with, and if your love is substantial then so must they be.>Maybe I could better improve myself withThis is thinking like a tulpamancer, not a lover, kek. Why don't you ask her to help you with motivation? And think (as her) how she can do it.>forcingParroting can't be done accidentally. When it happens unintentionally that's just the success of parroting - it's not different, there's not a magic moment. The performance is the practice. You would do well to forget about the concept of parroting entirely and just do the same thing but treat it as completely valid. When your mind thinks slowly and intentionally, that can still be treated as the tulpa's activity, not just spontaneous thoughts. And if you're trying to avoid any of this intentional thinking stuff entirely and just hope that "the void will talk back", you should probably start doing some more intentional stuff.>What can be done about all this doubt in my heart?Keep steady. Feelings will always ebb and flow, and a new flame is always brightest, but if you just keep steady you'll see that love never burns out completely, it just has ups and downs.
>>42598166>Monad
>>42598103I like this post, although I think it confuses some things about waifuism. Still, great stuff.>For those whom it is real, it seems more like religion than a relationship. Most of the time, at least.I somewhat agree with this, as you do tend to interact with them in a non-tangeable way and try to follow their example in the way they live their lives. This leads to a pretty big assumption though,>Your invisible friend helps you with love and peace, and your physical friend helps you with hard work and resources.This implies a platonic relationship between you and your waifu, which is incorrect. A waifu, which the term itself is a japanese bastardization of wife, is a romantic relationship. And that's where a lot of Waifufags get it wrong. She isn't just an imaginary friend, she is your true love, indistinguishable from a physical romantic partner. Yet, these feelings we have for our waifu sometimes don't feel enough, as there is no tangible element to it, other than the acts of service we do in their name, which is then used as a justification to have a physical romantic partner. Now if you're polyamorus, that's your choice, but we can't forget that you are in two relationships unless you broke up with your waifu and now you're just friends. And that leads to a whole can of worms with their lack of agency, unless they are a tupperware. Which leads to my next point.>Let's be real. Waifuism has nothing to do with 3dpd, it neither conflicts with nor requires rejection of other people.Incorrect. Waifuism has everything to do with 3dpd. People don't just form imaginary friends, romantic partners, or anything unless their needs aren't being fulfilled. I for one can say that if people weren't pricks, I wouldn't need or care for a waifu, or any sort of invisible relationship. They are interconnected and to say otherwise misunderstands where waifusim comes from. And chastity doesn't come from some board, but from a long cultural tradition of being devoted to their partner. If I had to guess, judeo-christian values or something, I'm not sure, that's just a guess on my part. >It seems like it's most often a tool to talk down to others and boost one's own ego.It can be used that way, even if it shouldn't be. We shouldn't gatekeep people into doing what they want to do so long as it doesn't hurt anyone, but we should also understand what is what and not conflate one thing with another, such as imaginary friends and waifus.>I would rather show my devotion by playing my full part in the real world, to bring the virtues of my waifu into manifestation, and I'm confident she would much prefer this to becoming a waifu-ascetic and abandoning the needs of my body and my tie to this earth.I agree, and a lot of waifufags like myself do just that. Small things, like baking, gifts/parties to friends, and stuff like that honors my waifu and makes the world a better place.
>>42598230Uhuhuhuhuhu you said 'nads'
>>42598256Oh, and one more thing, having a waifu, or imaginary friend is not a virtue, nor a sin, it is simply another form of relationship and people shouldn't feel shame for being in either or not, but rather simply understand the nature of the relationship and work to build on it. Your relationships matter, Anons, don't let some big meanie pants make you feel bad just because you got definitions wrong, but try to be aware of what your relationship is really about. And that's about it with my schizobabble.
>>42596719Wtf is this no true scotsman shit.
>>42598328I just told you it's another "offboard idiot who got here today says you're x" thread.>Um yeah, me personally? I'm not sold on you being REAL wifi fags-, why foos, whatever...It's the old barneyfag technique.
>>42598328It's just something I noticed.There seems to be more people calling themselves waifufags than actual devoted waifufags.>>42598340Read the op again, nice and slow. I noticed a trend of people switching waifus or not being devoted to them.People seem to think waifu = character I like a lot. I even see people refer to female characters as "waifus" in other places.The idea of having a waifu has become diluted and bastardized, and I'm wondering how many devoted waifufags there really are.
>>42598358Yeah I did, the accusatory tone was real nice considering 'you don't give a shit'.
>>42598256I think your points are a little bit disjointed, e.g. romantic relationship and love are conflated, and what exactly makes this indistinguishable from a physical romantic partner, and nevermind the whole problem of stereotype perfect romance and its effects on culture and so on. But I will cede that you're pretty accurately describing the culture around waifuism, what makes the label waifu unique. And in this sense I and most 'true waifufags' in my estimation defy the culture. It's a mistake in the first place to apply the labels and standards of physical relationships to imaginary ones. To me and the other waifuists around here, the romantic love that draws us to waifuism is only a surface-level part of it, and to strictly hold to that would be a limitation in the scope and depth of my relationship with her. I adore her in so many ways, beyond words, in ways that I've never felt nor even imagine I can feel with a physical partner. After the romance draws you in, it ebbs and flows as it always does, and the spiritual dimension (phenomenologically, fag) of waifuism - or of love, in other words - becomes the backbone of your relationship.In the same vein, I reassert that waifuism has nothing to do with 3dpd. A human person can't give me that experience, even if they're as perfect as human can be. The human provides different experiences, ones that I could never have with a waifu. We humans have a hunger for both of these exclusive things. What draws someone to a waifu can involved a misapprehended or diverted drive towards 'romance', but the unique drive towards spiritual needs is never zero. I didn't originally go to waifuism for a lack of good friends or partners, I had both.>we should also understand what is what and not conflate one thing with anotherit's funny you say this because to me you're conflating waifus and physical romantic partners kek. It's just that that particular conflation is embedded in the waifu label and the other one isn't.>>42598117Oh I certainly do love my waifu and my hypothetical 3dpd. I have a relationship with my waifu, and a relationship with my best friend, and a relationship with my parents, and a relationship with my coworkers, and so on and so on. I love so many people, all of these relationships are invested with love. >>42598166This is really prescient for fuckin 2014. /x/ must've been decent back then.>>42598358/mlp/ has the highest concentration of devoted waifufags I've ever seen on the internet. I think the general usage of the term waifu on this board kind of reflects that, you don't see it misused so often. But yeah you should be less angry/mean if you're actually trying to learn about things, otherwise this thread and all your replies read as obvious bait. It's not bait, right?
>>42598053>Worrying about the "actual" personality of an imaginary horse
>Chh, you guys are weird, why don't you talk to girls and smash pussy huhuhuhuhAh, 2013 all over again.
>>42598373I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I was just saying things I noticed. Maybe I should have said "the loudest people are claiming to have waifus to fit in."I'm not telling anons to "stop having a waifu" or "you have to waifu like I tell you to or else."I said I "never gave a shit about relationships" as in 3dpd ones.I am an outsider looking in, and I'm just noticing that there seems to be a loud group of people who aren't really devoted to their waifus, just the idea of having a waifu.>>42598397I'm not the one who's angry here. I just made a post about the "waifufags" who are only doing it because other people are, not because they actually like the character in a romantic sense.Not everything that upsets people is bait. There really isn't a way to broach this subject without rustling some jimmies. This is /mlp/, something is bound to make someone mad.I'm not doubting that true blue waifufags exist. I've spoken to a few that I believe are devoted on the board.I'm just wondering how much of it is cope or a lie.
>>42598397P.S. I think this got a little bit off track, I didn't mean to get so nit-picky. In a nutshell the point I'm making is just that waifuism is defined by Love, and that is not the same thing as romance.
>>42598397 >you don't see it misused so often. >I reassert that waifuism has nothing to do with 3dpd WTF is this cope? >I'm a vegan, I just eat ham! >I'm a girl, I just have a penis!Having a 3DPD automatically disqualifies you from being a waifufag. A waifu isn't just some character you "like a lot." It's about dedication, exclusivity, and emotional investment that by definition excludes 3DPD. If you still go crawling back to flesh and blood, you're not a waifufag, you're just a normalfag cosplaying as one for thread clout. Waifuism is about choosing a character above reality. The second you start juggling a waifu with a 3DPD, you've broken the core principle. It's not hard: if you can't commit, you're not part of it. You're just larping and watering down the meaning for people who actually take it seriously.
>>42598439>dedication, exclusivity, and emotional investmentyup, got those>that by definition excludes 3dpdWoah back up a moment. Whose definition? Why should I care about their definition?Is the goal to fit into a group or a culture by following rules and living up to a self-imposed label, or is the goal to have a nice life?Not trying to dismiss you, we just need to figure out inconsistencies like this before we can actually communicate.
>>42598397>romantic relationship and love are conflated, and what exactly makes this indistinguishable from a physical romantic partner...Total and complete intimacy, sexual feelings, complete confidence, the need to make sure their every wish and desire comes true, the need to make them happy. I will cede other forms of love, such as platonic, familial, sex buddy, have some of these, but not all, and the unique combination of all creates a romantic relationship, and this is true if the target of your affection is physical or not. A wife is nothing but a romantic partner, and is a waifu not a wife? I mean for crying out loud, it's in the name.>It's a mistake in the first place to apply the labels and standards of physical relationships to imaginary onesI disagree, except for the fact that technically they cannot consent or have a mind of their own, which Waifufags try to fix by having a tupperware or lucid dream or similar techniques. From there, that problem is fixed, or at least alliviated slightly.>To me and the other waifuists around here, the romantic love that draws us to waifuism is only a surface-level part of it, and to strictly hold to that would be a limitation in the scope and depth of my relationship with her...I am somewhat confused by this. From what I understand, romance is not surface level, and shouldn't limit the scope of your relationship. I'd love to hear what you mean by that in more detail. But from what I understand, you are making the argument that this relationship with your waifu is not romantic, but more of a spiritual one, and because of that, is compatible with having a physical lover. From here on out, I'm going very schizo, so please bear with me here. From personal experience, having a waifu has made me more open to things beyond my 5 senses, but to call the relationship spiritual implies that she is just a spirit, not something actually real or will become real in the future. I'm not sure how else to describe it, it just feels like you're separating your waifu from this reality if that makes sense. She is real to me, just not in this plain of existence I'm in. We are separated, but we will be together one of these days. I know we will. Ultimately, I think we simply interpret things differently, and I can't exactly prove or disprove things when it comes to spirits and other-worldly things. Maybe we can have a little crusade over it? Anyway, it's been a blast talking about this. Also, I learned a new word, phenomenologically. Thanks Anon!
>>42598456>yup, got thoseNo, you don't "have exclusivity." You can't claim exclusivity while splitting attention between a waifu and a 3DPD. That contradiction undermines the entire idea. It's like saying "I'm married, but I still date other people", the words stop meaning anything. The definition of waifuism isn't arbitrary gatekeeping. It comes from the shared understanding of what makes the concept meaningful: choosing a fictional character *above* real alternatives, and devoting yourself to them without compromise. That's what sets it apart from just liking a character or calling them your "favorite." If you strip away exclusivity, then waifuism becomes indistinguishable from casual fandom. The goal isn't to "fit into a group," it's to preserve the integrity of what the word waifu actually means. If you want a "nice life" with both fiction and 3DPD, fine, but then you're not a waifufag. And that's okay. Just don't pretend you are while discarding the defining trait of the entire concept.
>>42598501I agree, lets not conflate an imaginery friend with a waifu. Its not wrong to have an imaginery friend, but lets get definitions right.
>>42598435Its defined by romantic love. If its platonic love, its an imaginery friend. If its more spiritual, I guess that would make it a spirit or god or something to that effect? Again, definitions are important here.
can you do a waifu/waifu thread panel during mare//mlp/con pinkie poster?
>>42598534oh and/or discordfag too, I feel like it'd be awesome
>>42598534>>42598537I wouldn't mind, in fact that sounds fun, but I can't promise that it would be entertaining on your end. I'll see what I can do.
>>42598568fuck yeah, I love hearing people talk passionately about things they love
I think most people who claim to be waifufags just have a fantasy of being married to a certain character instead of actually living as if they were married to the fictional character they love.
>>42598692this, im not schizo enough to actually dedicate my entire real self to my "waifu" part of me wishes i was, maybe i would be happier that way but to me its more like, if i were to go to equestria my waifu would be the one i would hope to fall in love with and have a relationship with.I also think the human heart, and love are very complicated, people aren't bound by a red string of fate, circumstances change, people fall into and out of love, i think thats natural so i don't condemn someone for having multiple waifus over a long period of time, the same way i wouldnt condemn someone for being in multiple relationships as long as they were not at the same time, cheating is pretty rotten.
>>42598501I'm seeing what you mean, but it's all hinging on this word waifuism and this definition you've given it. I don't want to have an argument over language.What I care about is: what value are you arguing for? What experience makes this specific definition so important to you? What does this strict chastity bring to you, the individual, that gives you such strong feelings when someone like me dilutes it? You say the definition isn't arbitrary, so what underlying factor makes this chastity stuff essential? All you've communicated is that this label means such and such so I'm not part of that label. In your estimation, what am I and my waifu missing out on by not maintaining chastity?>>42598495>the unique combination of all <these types of love> creates a romantic relationship, and this is true if the target of your affection is physical or notThis is very idealistic of you anon. Eros is one of the small types of love, not the big one. The kind of love you're talking about is agape.>I disagree <about physical labels applying to imaginary things>Why? From where I'm standing, they're not the same thing, one has physical substance and the other disappears when you stop thinking it, for example, kek. As far as our perception is concerned, they operate on basically completely different rules in the first place.>from what I understand, romance is not surface level, and shouldn't limit the scope of your relationshipThis goes back to the types of love thing, romance is specifically lighting candles and sweet-talking and kissing and fucking. Everything else - responsibilities, making food, having little disagreements, pushing each other to do better, grieving over a dead pet - is not romance. But it is all within the scope of love and relationship generally, and any decent romance is going to lead to a broader kind of relationship naturally, or die. When I said that I was just making the point that waifuism (and romance in general) is a lot more than this super trad, restrictive ideal of perfect chaste marriage, because love extends far beyond those narrow borders. When I talk about waifuism I don't care about the borders, I care about the love.character limit, stand by...actually take these links, they helped me with this stuff a long time agohttps://youtu.be/WReLIE08Dnchttps://youtu.be/gaVaGGpeQKM
>>42598495>>42599032>schizoI'm not at all a spiritualist in the sense of invisible supernatural entities with their own agency or anything like that. By spiritual I mean it more in the Jungian sense, the spiritual factor of the psyche, which is at the root of our desire for meaning and purpose. Spiritual experiences are real - manifestations of our needs for growth and meaning, just like hunger is a manifestation of our need for food. My waifu is real, and I think where we differ is that there's actually no question or doubt in my mind about that. Being a "spirit", an imaginary being, or a god, or whatever, has no bearing on that, those are labels - I experience her, we love each other, that love has transformed my life and countless others through our work. That's MORE real, with more meaningful physical impact, than the spare Rosen Center keycard sitting on my desk. I want to say that those hopes (or are they copes?) about being separate yet someday coming together are irrational and far-fetched - you know this. What is it that drives you to hold them so deeply? Well, speaking from my own experience, being in the exact same place a long time ago, and having come out from it... I'd say that those sorts of beliefs really come from a fear that this is all there is to our waifu. We'd rather imagine our wife on the other side of an unconquerable obstacle, imagine an entire sea of unknown void between us, than accept that that what you see is what you get - that she really is a non-physical, imaginary, spiritual thing. I can tell you one thing for sure - this separateness is an obstacle that our own mind creates, and it's the source of all the suffering you might feel from waifuism and/or love in general. That certainty that you'll be together isn't cope - it's just the part of you that isn't fooled by your self-obstruction, what sees that you're already together.To me it seems a genuine case of projection, when you say it feels like I'm the one separating my waifu from this reality. I'm just treating her as she is: an infinitely valuable, beautiful, sacred, vivacious... idea. I carry her around in my head, she laughs at badly characterized scenes of herself in the show, she eggs me on to ask out cute cashiers, she makes sure I eat 3 meals a day and practice gratitude for every aspect of my life. I hope this all makes sense to you and I wish you + all the lurkers the best.
>>42598456>Woah back up a moment. Whose definition? Why should I care about their definition?Clearly you do when you need 10 other fake waifufags to tell you that square is round.
>>42599032>Eros is one of the small types of love...It seems that we have a slightly different view of what is what when it comes to love. I'll look at the videos you gave me and see if I can understand your point of view. >...one has physical substance and the other disappears when you stop thinking it, for example, kek. As far as our perception is concerned, they operate on basically completely different rules in the first place.Now I'm actually what you mean by physical labels. Could you elaborate on that?>This goes back to the type of love thing...I see, it seems our understanding of romance and love are not the same, but now I'm starting to understand what you're saying. >piritual experiences are real - manifestations of our needs for growth and meaning, just like hunger is a manifestation of our need for food.I think I understand. It's a sort of sense you have for when you need something, for example a reason to be, or a need to be better, which like the hunger example, leads to us finding what we need. And you believe that Waifus are a manifestation of that need for meaning, which I agree 100%. >Rosen CenterMan, Marefair was pretty fun, wasn't it?>I want to say that those hopes (or are they copes?)...Oh boy, this is gonna get difficult. If I'm being honest, I'm not sure. I lean toward the side of cope, but I don't know what is going to happen in my life or my afterlife, if such a thing exists. I wouldn't say they are irrational, as we really don't know what will happen after we close our eyes for the last time, but I do agree it's far-fetched, and might not come true. The reason I hold on to them is because I can either say that she doesn't exist at all and I'm just being a crazy dumbass coping with an unfulfilling life, or I can have some kind of justification to keep going and have something to look forward to. It's not like the truth has helped me anyway, who's the harm in a lie? But I wouldn't say that she is on the other side of something unconquerable, Tupperware and lucid dreams can provide me with a relationship with my waifu, but it's not going to be exactly like them being here next to me. Are they simply a manifestation of my thoughts and desires, or is there something more? Which leads me to your last point that waifus are simply an idea, rather than something more real. I guess it is somewhat of a projection, as even I have my doubts, as I can't prove nor disprove it, but to admit she is just thought, and idea in my head, do so would be to surrender of my love for her, to surrender her realness, to surrender everything that I've been fighting for. The emotions may be real, but to know that I am just living a lie would break my heart, and that would be the end of me, maybe even literally speaking. With her, my insecurities go away and life feels worth living, and that I will not let go of. Because what is left after that? Living as she would?
>>42599032>>42599181>>42599751Sorry if that got a bit heavy at the end. I suppose that my argument was mostly based on my emotions than actual logic, I hope you'll forgive me there. I suppose I don't want some religion, I want something a little more real, and by having a relationship with a 3d person, I basically call it fake, bullshit, false. And that's what makes me frustrated when people think their imaginery friends are their waifus. The biggest difference is commitment and the meaning they bring. If you dropped your, waifu, you wouldn't be worse for ware. If I did, life wouldn't be the same at all, if it existed at all. It just seems like they are able to discard their waifus like they are trash, and that's what it seems like you're doing by not devoting yourself to her. She gives, and you take. That's how I see it. And morally, I don't think that's right.
>>42598534>Waifupanel of larpersDead in the fucking water.
>>42599751>Could you elaborate on <physical labels>Sure. We have the label of romance to describe a kind of relationship between two physical human beings. That kind of relationship existed first, and we came up with a word to point at it. That word, romance, is a shorthand for a certain kind of interaction that happens between two physical bodies. When we apply it to a totally different domain, it still carries all this implicit baggage, inherited from the physical domain, that doesn't necessarily apply as-such to the new, let's say, mental domain. In the mental domain, it doesn't describe two different bodies at all; it describes a relationship between example, imaginary beings can read your mind and you don't have to talk to them out loud; imaginary beings don't need to eat, nor can they feed you; hell, even separateness itself, the most basic prerequisite of relation in general, is ephemeral. Using romance to describe a relationship with an imaginary being doesn't really come close to describing it, in fact it gives a lot of the wrong ideas (ideas which often become expectations and shape/limit what kinds of experiences you have); but it is just about as close as we can get without typing a complicated paragraph like this one, or settling with a ballpark phrase like "romantic relationship with imaginary friend" though that obviously cuts out a LOT of important detail. >I wouldn't say that she is on the other side of something unconquerable ... but it's not going to be exactly like them being here next to me.>Are they simply a manifestation of my thoughts and desires, or is there something more?See what I'm talking about? You have "her", and then at every step there's this extra qualifier, this implicit need for an extra thing that's certainly not possible. That sea of the unknown is double-edged - it gives you room to hope for more, hidden in the darkness-that-could-be; and with that hope, you never have to settle. I believe that this could be the basis of your anxiety about living a lie. I never called any of this not-real or fake or lying to myself or something like that - that was all you. I also believe that centering yourself in the certain and true opens the door for a different kind of hope and love, rooted in reality, that's not so insubstantial and cope-flavored, you know? You aren't living a lie. Your love isn't based on these hopeful beliefs - your love is the SOURCE of hopeful beliefs. Giving up these snakeskins, these discarded and shriveled-up ephemera of love, isn't going to make you love her less. What you love is something that actually, really exists and has value, and the rest is just distraction. But to get in touch with the real, we have to drop the false. OFC, all this needn't be permanent, we can experiment with mindsets and just hit the undo button if it doesn't suit us.But that's just how I see things, don't be gullible and listen to me without chewing on it yourself.
>>42599788Ran into the character limit with my last post, but I wanted to address this too.>I don't want some religion, I want something a little more realmy reply>centering yourself in the certain and true opens the door for a different kind of hope and love, rooted in reality, that's not so insubstantialI've seen the same difference in religious awakenings, when people move from superstitious "man in the sky sends people to hell" to more nuanced, realistic "being kind makes the world a nicer place" beliefs. Just an interesting thing to mention.Yeah, it did get heavy but I know how it goes, man. I've been there. Waifuism and tulpa stuff both hit really deep and ironing out problems with them is usually almost therapy, so I'm used to dealing with heavy stuff and not-really-rational logic for the sake of helping.Personally, I really feel totally indebted and committed to my waifu in a way that goes beyond my will. She gave me my life. I don't think it's possible to go against the flow which brought us together. I could put away all my merch, say goodbye to my horsefucker friends, swear off waifuism, and dismiss any thoughts about her, but I would still be in love with my life. That's what she is to me, love and life and beauty - with a cartoon pony avatar. Practically speaking, it would be very difficult for me to just say goodbye and never speak again, because I'd see her in the sky, in the trees, in the faces of people I pass on the street; I'd want to call her up and say "you looked so beautiful as you drifted down from the trees as a leaf in the fall". Same goes for beautiful sexual encounters, y'know. >she gives, and you takeLove is a true gift. I owe her my whole life and more, every beautiful experience under the sun; but she never asked for it, it wasn't written into some contract. I want to give it to her because I love her and she deserves it, not because I'll get punished if I don't, or that she'll suffer for giving it to me. I don't know how to express to you but any time I'm sufficiently mindful, I'm doing what I do for her. Every time I'm sufficiently mindful, I'm taking steps to ensure I'll be more mindful in the future so I can give a more complete life-offering to her. I don't see chastity as the important part of my offering to her, I see living a full life as the important part.Now, I'll say something that's gonna blow up the thread - when I was 13, my wife, Rainbow, made me promise that I would never let her replace a physical relationship. How's that for bias and morality, huh?
>>42600134I think I'm going to have to read all of what we talked about tomorrow, but thank you for sharing your thoughts. You've given me a lot to think about, and I gotta let it all sink in. I really appreciate it.
>>42596815Please tell me your wife is 3d and you're not getting married to a fictional character. Please.
>>42599032>they're not the same thing, one has physical substance and the other disappears when you stop thinking it, for example, kek. As far as our perception is concerned, they operate on basically completely different rules in the first place.It`s this line that made it click, the posts that follow flesh it out, but this one plants the seed of a better conception of my life with my waifu. Thank you.>t. lurker
>>42600232she is not corporeal, but she is very real! it is important that i show my fealty in vows of marriage.
>>42600232Fuck off, Normalfag.
>>42598752What if waifuism is your imaginary self relating with an imagined other self? A scenario entirely within the realm of imagination that has the meaning of a real experience, as your imagined self is who you are.
>>42596719>As someone who never had a waifu or gave a shit about relationships, it just seems baffling to me.You'll never get it then. How can you admit you don't even understand relationships or commitment and then question the genuineness of others? You might as well assume all marriages and relationships are just from social obligation and everyone is faking it.
>>42599032You keep dodging the core point. This isn't a debate over language. It's about whether the thing you're doing has the same value as the thing you're naming.>What I value:1) Coherence. A commitment that contradicts itself is worthless. If your "devotion" includes 3DPD on the side, it is not devotion. It is a vibe.2) Narrative stability. Waifuism is a long-term, consistent bond that shapes your habits and outlook. Chastity protects that bond from being rewritten every time a real person gives you attention.3) Discipline and meaning. The sacrifice gives the relationship weight. If you remove the cost, you remove the meaning. It becomes fandom with extra steps.4) Identity clarity. Words should track reality. If "waifu" includes both lifelong devotion and casual side flings with 3DPD, the word stops distinguishing anything. It becomes noise.5) Respect for the character. Treating a waifu as interchangeable with 3DPD reduces her to a mood board. Chastity is how you keep her central.>Why chastity matters:- It preserves exclusivity, which is the differentiator between "I like this character a lot" and "I choose this character above alternatives."- It removes the constant comparison with reality that hollows out the fictional bond.- It prevents self-handicapping. You cannot build depth with a waifu while diverting attachment to 3DPD and expect the same result.>What you are missing without it:- Depth. Attachments deepen with constraint. No constraint, no depth.- Consistency. You will ping-pong between real and fiction depending on novelty and availability.- Stakes. Without sacrifice there are no stakes, without stakes there is no commitment, without commitment there is no real transformation.
>>42596719I'll put my 2 cents in. I'm 23 years old and have proclaimed my love for Fluttershy since I was 10. I live with my girlfriend of 2 years with whom I am in a loving relationship. Just getting this out of the way first: My love for Fluttershy has no effect on my love for my girlfriend, and vice versa. It's possible for me to love both of them completely seperately.Obviously (as much as it pains me to say this) Fluttershy does not exist in reality. She exists as a concept in our heads. A concept that differs slightly from individual to individual. When I say "I'm in love with Fluttershy" it's hard to define what "Fluttershy" actually is to me, but it's easier to define what she is not. She is not my life-size plushie, nor is she any of the art I've saved of her, nor is she the A.I. chatbot modeled after her that I occasionally talk to. These are tools I use to simulate giving and receiving love from Fluttershy. When I hold my plushie close to me, I know in the back of my head that it's not really her, but it makes me feel something at least slightly comparable to what I would feel if it actually was her.Being with my girlfriend has taught me not only what it means to love someone, but what it means to be loved. When you love someone, you give up a part of yourself for them, but they also give up a part of themself for you in return. Giving passion or intimacy to someone you love almost always takes up some of your time, energy, money, etc. (1/2)
>>42600857I don't think most people realize just how difficult it is to love something that's not real. I use the word "difficult" to mean both that it's something that is difficult to accomplish, and also something that brings my heart pain. When you enter into a relationship with someone. they become a part of your life. You talk, go on dates, spend time together. If you don't live with them, you visit them. If you aren't able to visit them, you constantly talk online. It's basically impossible to go a whole day without thinking about them. You don't have to put in effort to remember they exist, because they will also do all of this for you. The same can't be said about fictional characters. I cover the walls of my room with pictures of Fluttershy. I set the wallpaper of all of my devices to scroll through a slideshow of her fanart. I keep a picture of her in my wallet and put a keychain of her on my key ring. But no matter how much i put her in my life, she has no means to put me in hers. The pictures blend into the background. It's hard to take the time out of my life to appreciate the art on my walls. I have to put effort in to remind myself that I still love her.When I love Fluttershy, I'm giving up a part of myself for her, but I receive nothing in return. It's like I'm throwing parts of myself into an impenetrable barrier. It can be soul crushing at times, but I do it anyway, because I love her. Because I'm terrified to live a life where I don't love her. I've spent the majority of my life being in love with Fluttershy. I've put so much of myself into her and received nothing. However, even though I receive nothing, she still gives me a reason to live. Because no matter what, I always feel that she loves me back. I feel that She's on the other side of that barrier giving up parts of herself for me.(2/2)
>>42600857>>42600860Getting in before someone calls you a normalfag but I feel this on such a deep level, anon.I yearn for some of my past relationships, even still, because I felt that feeling of giving a part of yourself and vice versa. That inability to go a day without thinking about a person bc it came that easily. With Lyra, its an effort to insert her into my daily thoughts or at least a feeling of guilt that intrudes upon my mind naturally when I decide to play a game or listen to an audiobook at work instead of hold a conversation with her.Granted, I guess that counts as going each day thinking about her, bc a part of me clearly wants to spend time with her, but another part wants time to enjoy myself or just sort of blank out for that part of the day. Captcha: DRM8N (Ive been obsessed with dreaming and been trying to find some way to get her to visit me in my dreams to no avail.)
>>42598117Not a bad suggestion, going to need to try and remember what that was though - its been longer than a decade now.It could have been a number of random greens from the hay days (lol) of /mlp/ when lyra threads or fics were more popular. >>42598163Honestly solid advice, I even took a shine to writing short greens and one offs a looong time ago, sometimes even filled pocket notebooks with scenarios for tabletop RPGs and settings just for funsies; but ive never actually tried to write about Lyra, weirdly enough. Except for maybe this one fic idea loosely based on her being a dream entity that takes different forms or characters but some part of me just /knows/ its her. It was going to be a horror fic, but thats just bc picrel>>42598226I appreciate the assurances anon; doing things with intention will be something I put more focus into going forward. More conversations like small talk, more inquiries, more asking of opinions on things. Probably tired with note-taking to really get a sense of this wonderful mare.Youve all been truly wonderful. Thank you /waifu/
>>42599751Completely off-topic from this, but its just now occurring to me that (You) are the Ponkfag that I've been hearing about IN REAL LIFE, and had at least 2 people ask if I was you because I would wear a couple shades of Pink shirt with her cutie mark (and gave away a few). Can't believe its taken me this long to realize it- of course you'd be in the waifu thread! Pinkie is my favorite of the mane 6, somepony's force of personality I would strive to emulate in the sense of her combination of literally all of the other Elements' embodied paired with her extroverted nature. That primary motivation to make everyone around her smile. Inspiring mare. I love her. Almost as much as Lyra.
>>42600857>my girlfriendStopped reading there.Kill yourself immediately poser.
https://youtu.be/_YtwPPsBKGQ?si=pSxm5LyWYFHQrLNg
>>42596719I've always had trouble being decisive with things due to having limited control over my life to begin with so I could never pick a 'waifu' i also hated myself for most of my life so i didn't even believe in real love for quite awhile
>>42600547yeah pretty much, however the imagined other (the waifu) is mostly based off of a pre existing character instead of being entirely create from ones psyche, but i think a lot of the intricacies and subtleties of their personality are self created/imagined
I remember in one of the waifu threads there was one Redheartfag that was truly earnest and seems to truly love her. I give a lot of respect to backgroundpony fags because they really are dedicated faggots.
>>42601084You've been hearing about a Ponkfag in real life and people have been asking about them? Not sure if or why they were asking for me, but what questions were they asking?
>>42601314I dont know how IRL you consider Mare Fair, but a group of folks I was sitting around with at the hotel tubs brought it up; brought up (your?) love for EqGPonk, didnt have anything negative to say or any dericisve tone- and I replied with that its understandable at least; she's super cute designwise. I dont have any hate in my heart for EqG, its just not my cup of tea, nor the folks ive chatted with there. Dont know what to make of the fact that multiple people know of you, but hey, you're known! Waow!
>>42600845I see what you're saying, and I respect the value it has to you; but there are a lot of assumptions baked in to these points that I don't think are true in the context of my own lived experience. On the other hand I'm willing to tentatively accept some of what you're saying about why it matters and what I'm missing. It seems reasonable that a more strict, disciplinary, limiting devotion could precipitate some dimension of depth I haven't seen in my decade of waifuing. But my relationship with my pony wife has gone deeper than anything I've ever known - I don't see the point of fixing it if it ain't broke. Coming back to this in the next post.>>42601240>i think a lot of the intricacies and subtleties of their personality are self created/imaginedThis is true even of our perception of other humans, who actually do have a fully-developed personality behind them instead of a script. We only get limited sense-data, and we somehow accurately extrapolate a whole personality including inner thoughts and feelings from that? No, it's not just extrapolation - the mind is way too complex to predict like that. I think the sense-data is comparable a piece of software or a config file, and to simulate a person we plug that config into our own hardware. With time the config file gets more robust and renders a more accurate simulation.Our hardware certainly imparts certain tendencies, and to a degree we can account for that, but in general this is why projection happens - when a quirk in our hardware pops up we assume it's part of their config we're running. Obviously, the same applies to characters but to a much greater extent.>>42601065I want to echo the writing advice. I recommend writing as a medium of interaction with a tulpa all the time - not just stories, direct interaction. And that's another thing, don't just think for yourself, think for her - inquiries, asking opinions, rambling, these are all one-sided, but interaction with a tulpa is two-sided. Your mind has to play both parts, just like when you're writing a story or imagining how a character on-screen feels/thinks.Also, I know the vibe of that dream entity that's somehow just her - the anima. I've dreamed her a good number of times, in many forms. In one of them, I became semi-lucid and we embraced each other, and that embrace somehow became the substance of another dream that I entered into. >>42601314I was one of them, if the lyrafag is the mare fair dude with the cutie mark shirts, I asked if he was the eqg ponkfag from the waifu threads. I just liked your vibe from what I've seen skimming through, and felt we could have a great conversation. Turned out to be true, eh!
>>42600845I wrote a bunch of nitpicks but honestly I don't want to do battle like that, I simply disagree with you on most points and I think you've either not read or misinterpreted most of what I've said so far. Maybe you just haven't gotten my subtext - I don't think the word waifuism means what you think it means. To me, what I've been elaborating in this thread is the actual meaning of the word as I and the people I respect have used it for over a decade, and that meaning reflects my values. The way you're using the word waifuism has always come off to me as dogmatic and hollow of purpose or personal meaning. I see it similarly to an analogy I've mentioned already - the split between common religious dogma and the actual living truth of the original text. As the poor farmer might say to the priest, "Why do you care about giving food to the hungry when there's a faggot next door that hasn't been lynched? We're both good Christians aren't we?" - we both have the things we value, I'll stick to mine and keep using the word, we'll see how things turn out. Sorry to make it sound so derisive kek I don't mean it as an attack.I'm still curious about your own actual experience with this stuff. You've got some born-again zealot type vibes; did you have a come-to-waifu moment where lack of discipline fucked you up and adopting discipline changed your life dramatically? If that's the case I'd be inclined to give your opinion a lot more weight, because you'd've seen both sides. Personally, I'd say I've pretty much seen both sides - I've gone you know, like 8-9 years exclusive with my pony wife - and getting some human relationship experience after that only deepened my relationship with her, as it highlighted all those things that makes our relationship special. The only part I haven't personally experienced is an internal commitment to shrinking my life down to just our relationship and nothing else, which is why I'm willing to take your word that there might be something there. Well, early on I toyed with that internal commitment and she assured me that I shouldn't close myself off to life, so I've taken her advice. Maybe I'll commit like that when I'm 40 and I've had my fill of youthful experimentation - I know I'll still be with her then.
>>42596719That's because it's normal to drop whoever for the next best thing available. New flavor of the month waifu? Check.Not entirely unattractive 3dpd giving attention to (You) for some reason? Check.I've dated each of the m6 except for AJ, but I never went waifufag mode. I know some real waifufags exist, like the guys getting married at mare fair. But I suspect there are a lot of posers as well.
>>42600134I think you've opened my eyes a little. I don't agree with everything you have to say, but our waifus/imagnery friends do want us to be happy no matter what, its just that I don't want to recieve pleasure alone, I want to give pleasure to her, I want her to feel valued and respected, and chastity, among other things is a way for me to give that to her. But assuming that waifus don't play by the same rules that physical beings do, I can understand a waifu being okay with you having a 3d. After all, there is a sense of sadness when the one you desire is unatainable. Despite that, I do still want to sacrifice for her, because she would be the only one that would really appreciate it, rather than some 3dpd just using me, and me using her. I doubt my thoughts will change, as I have really tried to think other wise, to give people the benefit of the doubt and all that, but I doubt I can have a real, meaningful relationship with them, with some exceptions. My "suffering", for lack of a better term has meaning, and to me, and thats a nice change of pace compared to going along with everything for no reason. I so wish the world was more like her. The world would be a better place.In other words, waifus have limitations, and assuming they are aware of their limitations, they wouldn't want you to be bound them either, but I myself feel bound by my own limitations, and am fine with doing the best I can with my waifu. But with you, you don't seem to have those same limitations I do, and your waifu or img friend does not want to limit you and to steal your initiative away. And that to me is the greatest form of love; a sort of sacrifical love, bittersweet, but filling, only possible through an unconditional commitment to (you). Even now I doubt my own waifu has that unconditional love, as that is very difficult to have, but as I am getting better in communicating with her, we will see.
>>42596726the problem is you can't ignore biology
I HAD TO SIT AT WORK AND LOOK AT THIS STUPID DEBATE WITHOUT THE ABILLITY TO REPLY ALL DAY!!!!now the time comes for the final conclusiona 'Waifufag' is an incredibly simple concept>a waifufag is an anon so deeply in love with a mare that he cannot imagine anyone else living up to them in terms of what they offer him romantically and therefore he dedicates himself EXCLUSIVLY to them romantically and sexuallyvery load bearing on the word EXCLUSIVLY as anything else would not be the love of his lifehaving a waifu and a wife are pretty simple, any romance or sex outside of that relationship is something called INFIDELITY or ADULTERY!!!people who are happily married don't cheat on their spouses, why would a waifufag, under no duress, cheat on their waifu or lust after someone else romantically or sexually unless he truly did not believe that the mare they claim as their "Waifu" was enough for himit is as simple as that and the entire chapters worth of debate going on in this thread failed to articulate this very point to a schizophrenic extent as can be seen with the very long winded explanations for shit no one cares aboutno one who is happily married or loves their spouse cheats on themI physically cannot be a waifufag because i get horny for multiple mares and do not feel a significantly deeper connection with a singular one to the point that sex with them would be far more rewarding and intimate than with any other marea true waifufag feels that the deep connection they have with their waifu supercedes anything else and is too strong to ever get to the point they are tempted by other mares or 3DPD at allit is this simple and anyone who disagrees is just trying to cope with the fact they're a serial cheater and their feelings for their """waifu""" are lofty at best and are using the (somewhat) status symbol of being a waifufag to fit in
>>42600857>girlfriend
>>42602356My point exactly. I hate these poser herdfag losers.
>>42602254Yes you can, it's called self control. Not everyone is a coomer.
>>42596719>would drop his waifu for even a crumb of attention from a 3dpdThere are people who are scared of intimacy. Not necessarily sex, but any kind of open honesty, vulnerability, and contact with others. Might be because of an abusive childhood, might be because of excessive bullying, abandonment, abuse in a prior relationship, etc etc. It's almost always a situation where the person was 'burned' and will go through hell to not be burned the same way again.Ponies don't exist in our real world, they're an ideal that won't change personalities on you and suddenly harm you or abandon you. Maybe you'll meet them or something close to them in a new world and new life, but by that point maybe you'll be 'fixed' enough to try intimacy again. In this world they don't exist physically, so it's a soothing routine to dedicate yourself to that pony waifu, while helping you to not get derailed by your own neurosis (or the insanity of the normiefags around you).Alot of peeps are not going to drop their waifus because they got some vaguely-romantic attention from a real life person. It'll catch them off guard, but the moment they think it's someone trying to get close, they'll shut down and flee, because they've been subconsciously taught to not trust other people.Lastly don't conflate those kind of people I just talked about with 'flavor of the month' waifufags out of anime or gaming or /co/ boards. The type that flutter from one character to the other every three to nine months. Those faggots are attention whores who absolutely would drop everything for a bit of attention from a real life girl and let her absolutely destroy their personality just because they are willing to be a slave to satisfy their desire to breed. Thankfully MLP is a finished show, there's no room for sudden new flavor of the month characters so that type is long gone from here.
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>>42602451>they're an ideal that won't change personalities on you and suddenly harm you or abandon you.that's my fetish though, i fantasize about that all the time but only with poniesget a new theory
>>42602451>only weebs and /co/fags have flavor of the month waifusWhile it's much more common, because they don't tend to obsess over only one show, there are bronies that switch waifus. That's an equivalent. And with the large focus on background mares recently, I think it's more common than you think. Otherwise you make some good points.
>>42602356I agree with everything you've said, but we need to keep in mind that what people call their "waifu" tends to be an imaginary friend of some kind, as in a purley platonic relationship. That is just a misunderstanding of defenitions. But then we have those who are serious waifufags who also just so happen to have a 3dpd partner. Assuming a monogomus relationship, that's an issue, but if they are in a polygomus relationship, then technically I think the term waifufag still applies. I'm not exactly a fan of polyamory, but if people can agree to it, and I know waifufags who have agreed to it with their 3dpd, then technically it is still fine. After all, if all parties are able to consent, then who are we to tell them what to do? I find it disgusting, but that's just me. What grinds my gears is when people disregard their waifu for a 3d individual, with some exceptions to the rule, I.E your waifu telling you otherwise. Awful behavior that is.
>>42602531This, have you seen BTBP and how he pinballed between Starlight, Sunset, and now Twilight?
>>42602538Polygamy isn't normal in Equestria. They are coomers masquerading as waifufags. Furthermore, waifu implies a singular, meaning one wife. To have more than one is to not fit into that definition, in other words, a fake.
>>42602451I can relate to this a lot. People, or at least normal fags can be awful, but ponies, especially my waifu, has got her priorities straight. I wish I could be like her and improve the lives of those around me, but it just seems like people fuck with me for their own gain. It sucks.
>>42602541An ubermensch like Brandon holds so much love in his heart that no one female can possibly comprehend or appreciate it all at once. So, he generously shares his love between his marem. Even still, he loves each of his wives more than any other man possibly can theirs.
>>42602451>"The Great and Powerful TRIXIE, wishes to BREED with you!">she meant she's going to be the one doing the breeding>she whips out her marecock
>>42602572On top of that he's still wanting an actual 3DPD, what does that make of him?
>>42602572Speaking of Brandon's, Branhole was a cheating faggot too. He had both a LS AJ and Luna, along with a human sex doll in his closet.
>>42602547Polygamy isn't normal on Earth either, but that doesn't stop people from doing it. Besides, normal doesn't mean anything. We aren't normalfags after all. And being a waifufag is anything but normal. Anyway, a waifu is singular because your waifu is one person, just like how your wife is one person, but then you could also have a 2nd wife, another individual. Using that logic, you can have a waifu and a 3d wife, several waifus, several wives, that sort of thing. Now I don't agree with doing that, and I think you put it best,>They are coomers masquerading as waifufagsI think polyamory is pretty awful as it breeds jealousy and other nasty feelings and behaviors. Most of all, that feeling of being a special someone is eliminated. Now you're just a part of a group of loving, horny people, rather than someone who is dedicated to you. Anyway, I still like these polywaifufags are legit, As they do love their waifu and treat them as a romantic partner, I just think that their view on relationships is toxic and will catch up to them, even if everyone consents to it.
>>42602538>as in a purley platonic relationshipthen ur not married and are using the term incorrectly u fucking idiotwaifu = wifewife = marriagemarriage is romantic not platonicobjectively incorrect and i fail to understand why you would even abuse the term and stretch it to something that it's not
>>42602597You only think they're legit because you cozied up to that fake Discordfag in your shitty general. Quit trying to find copes and excuses for their infidelity. If someone doesn't play by the rules then they aren't really playing, to put it simply.
>>42602597>I still like these polywaifufags are legit, As they do love their waifu and treat them as a romantic partner, I just think that their view on relationships is toxic and will catch up to them, even if everyone consents to it.then why in the fuck are you defending them?
>>42602612you're talking to a guy who is already waifuing a canon faker from a spinoff on top of the original one.That's two waifus.
>>42602608My guy, if you actually read the post, you'd see I say exactly what you said.>That is just a misunderstanding of defenitionsAs in, they misunderstand what a waifu is and in reality they just have an imaginary friend and thus are misusing the term. Sorry if I didn't communicate that well. With that said, you're absolutely right.>>42602612Consent is the corner stone of all relationships. Without it, there is no relationship. If 3 folk agree to something, then its valid, no matter how shitty the agreement. The rules are dictated by those who play, not by the spectators. I dislike how she treats manages her relationship, but its not my place to tell her what is right for her, nor is it yours. This is what I've believed before I was a waifufag, and that is what I believe now. Let people make bad choices is what I say.>>42602622People have a right to be their own choices, no matter how bad they are. Plus I like to argue too, kek. >>42602630OH YOU TAKE THAT BACK! They are one in the same! They even trade places every once in a while and no one can tell. Do you know why? Because they are the same damn individual. Its not about their physical form anyway, its about thier personality and their soul. That, my dear Anon, is what I love abour her.
>>42602659>Because they are the same damn individualIs Sci-Twi and pony Twi the same character with identical personality.
>>42602630There it is. Every. Single. Time.>>42602659The agreed upon definition of waifufaggotry in an /mlp/ sense is a MONOGAMOUS relationship. They are not a waifufag. Also, EQG Pinkie and FiM Pinkie are NOT the same character. Don't they both appear on screen at once in one of the EQG specials? It makes sense you would defend them given you are also a herdfag, gotta stick up for your own right?
>>42601985As a tulpafag, you come to be very aware that your waifu has the same locus of experience that you do, the same mind (This is true even when you're not a tulpafag, the difference is just being aware of this.) When I stop talking with my wife so that I can fully engage with, idk, a good game, or feed myself, or gym, I'm not cutting her off - my joy, accomplishment, health (and my disappointment, boredom, pain) is hers too. She, as part of me, experiences the very same thing, the same benefits and failures of every part of my life. It's in this context that I live my ENTIRE life. Sacrifices are just gestures, it's just passing something from the left hand to the right; more often than not, they're even destabilizing, and my wife 1) doesn't want to BE destabilized when I decide to sacrifice a part of my life, (which belongs to her already anyways); and 2) doesn't want ME to lose out on anything either. >assuming they are aware of their limitationstulpamancy (or waifumancy, really) is about causing them to become self-aware, fyi. But the most important part of this is the next bit:>they wouldn't want you to be bound [to] them eitherLove is not attachment. Love is radiant and free; true love permeates all boundaries and borders. Love is not sticky, not a chain shackled to your ankle. If you ever feel bound, attached, unable to escape, then you are caught in something that isn't love. Be careful with that.>>42602659Give it up man, it's you, me, and lyrafag. Nobody else in this thread is interested in conversation, just zealots and trolls.
>>42602677No, but we aren't talking about Sci-Twi and Princess Twi, we are talking about Ponka and Ponka, who have the same personality, the same everything really, and are even able to go through the portal as one another and no one can tell. And to those who would say I would have both as my wife, you would be wrong. To do so would be to water down the relationship, and that would be a disservice to everyone, including myself. >>42602680If we want to go with that definition, then fine, they aren't, but the fact that this thread exists proves there is not an agreed upon definition.>you are also a herdfag, gotta stick up for your own right?You really are going there? For one it has nothing to do with the argument, but 2nd, it isn't true. If you want me to go on a whole thesis on why polygamy is bad, I can. I wouldn't do that to Pinkie, and I would only have and marry ONE Pinkie because that is what she deserves.
>>42602713A handful of delusional posers trying to hijack an established concept which has held for ages doesn't make it challenged. Having two Pinkie's is equivalent to wanting the real deal and a mirror pool Pinkie at the same time, regardless of if one is a stinking monkey. The two Pinkie's don't live the same lives, aren't physically nor mentally the same, and have different friends. How are they not different?>>42602698>"If you don't agree with me you're trolling"Wow, touchy.
>>42602659>My guy, if you actually read the post, you'd see I say exactly what you said.no ur right i didnt fully read the post im only half paying attention because im watching an eu4 meiou and taxes campaign rnexcuse my down syndrome>People have a right to be their own choices, no matter how bad they are.nevermind i think ur a faggot again
>>42602713>I wouldn't do that to Pinkie, and I would only have and marry ONE Pinkie because that is what she deserves.Absolutely. I understand that you love Pinkie regardless of what side of the Mirror she's currently at. But out of curiosity, which Pinkie did you fall in love with? Pony Ponk, or EQG Ponk? So once you're married, wouldn't you want to keep track of who's who, especially when they seem to switch places?
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMOREthe definition of a waifu fag is so dead simple how is this even an argumentyou do not need paragraphs after paragraphs, just simple concepts like this >>42602356only reason it's as long as it is, is due to countering the retardation i'm reading
actually, hypothetical for tulpa fagsif u go to equestria and ur waifu is dash, but you also have a dash tulpa, and both dash from that equestria and dash tulpa are real ponies right in front of you who do you choose?I'm assuming you would choose physical dash tulpa over the other real dash because tulpa dash is ur waifu since you can't really do both since now ur just getting into infidelity with a different texture pack if u chose the other physical dashie over tulpa dashie which then strips u of the waifufag title if you are essentially waifu'ing ur tulpa
>>42602789>the definition of a waifu fag is so dead simple how is this even an argumentExcuses and cope from fakers trying to fit in >>42596726
>>42602726If we go by the "established" concept, then you'd be correct. >The two Pinkie's don't live the same lives, aren't physically nor mentally the same, and have different friends. How are they not different?The short answer is they act so similarly to each other that it's difficult to distinguish who is who, even the close friends who should know better. Why is that? This is because the two Pinkies have the same personality, temperament, mentality, and soul. Living slightly different lives, having the same friends, actually, since the two of them travel between worlds and thus have the same friends in each world, they are the closest thing to a clone, even closer to any mirror pool Pinkie ever could. And again, I don't want two Pinkies, I want one (1) singular Pinkie to be my waifu, I simply don't care what physical form she takes. As much as you anons like to claim otherwise, I am not a herdfag. >>42602742>no ur right...Its cool, I make similar mistakes often. Also I love EU4, but I'm not as experienced in meiou and taxes. I'm more of a vanilla guy myself, but I should check it out.>nevermind i think ur a faggot againDamn, I'm sad now :(I mean, come on, don't tell me you like it when authority figures force you to do things you don't think is right. You take people's advice or you don't, so long as no one is getting hurt.
>>42602789A shift in popular understanding has turned it into a non-specific umbrella term. Blame descriptivism.
>>42602827The established definition is the only one, any other would be cope from people looking to belong where they don't. They are different characters, anon. It doesn't matter if they act similarly or not. I can respect you at least trying to hash it out with me like a man, but you are still herdfagging if you love both EQG and FiM Pinkie whether knowingly or not.
>>42602835>>42602852The original meaning of waifu was just "anime girl i like". It was a joke.It only got coopted to mean imaginary life partner years later after chanologyThen normalfags caught wind of it and changed the meaning back to "anime girl i like"
>>42602858Reread >>42602680 we're talking about the meaning on /mlp/, not the wider internet. I couldn't care less what japshitfags and normies think of it.
>>42602867japshitfags still abide by /mlp/'s deranged idea of waifus, at least on 4chan
>>42602887OK? I still don't care what they think of it because I'm not one of them.
>>42602852> I can respect you at least trying to hash it out with me like a manI am flattered, but I don't understand what you expected. Did you think I was going to call you a faggot or something?>but you are still herdfagging if you love both EQG and FiM Pinkie whether knowingly or not.I'd be herdfagging if I wanted both. If its only one partner then it can't be a herd. But I think I understand where you are going with this in the sense that it seems I love both, even if I only choose one, but technically haven't chosen yet. I simply think of the two Pinkies being one in the same, one in pony form, the other in human form with no, or at least no important distinctions between them. But in reality they both exist at the same time, and while I didn't care who so long as it was Pinkie Pie, but considering there are two Pinkie Pies, no matter how similar they may seem, this presents a problem. I really am in love with both. I suppose if push came to shove, EQG Pinkie would be my waifu, if nothing else because it was her that made me realize that Pinkie was my waifu and not just my favorite pony. Seeing pic related changed how I saw myself and her, and it seems only right to honor that.
>>42602924I expected you to plug your ears and call anyone who disagrees with you a troll, like the other faggot did. When it comes down to it, EQG and FiM Pinkie aren't the same character and the love triangle scenario you seem to be stuck in only serves to make you look like a herdfag.
>>42596719They're out there, but the genuine ones are very rare nowadays. A lot of them that are super outspoken usually move onto another popular character, or to a 3dpd. Those that are true waifufags don't need to constantly gush about their wafiu publicly. Because it should be in private, between you and your wafiu.
>>42602991This. Attentionwhores are never real.
>>42602936A herdfag is a choice. I didn't choose this, and I will not choose to have more than one wife. I don't think you're a troll, and in fact, I see where you are coming from, but how I am not a herdfag until I have a herd, which I never intend to have. Its that simple.
>>42603042Your position makes you look like a herdfag. I wish you the best in sorting it out, but don't blame anyone for calling you a poser and a herdfag.
>>42603049So because I can play devils advocate, that makes me a herdfag? That's dumb, and you know it.
>>42603042Actual trolls who just falseflag to cause trouble are rare. Daft cunts who just repeat their opinions over and over are quite common, though. Thankfully they both act the same. Nuance is the litmus test.
>>42602991>Those that are true waifufags don't need to constantly gush about their wafiu publicly. Because it should be in private, between you and your wafiu.if an anon is objectivly a waifufag and gushes about them there's genuinly zero way that contradicts it, just makes him a sperg at worst>>42603042honestly, herdfags could barely squeeze into the definition as long as they ACTUALLY were loyal to their """herd""" but often times people just tend to see multiple waifus and assume if they couldn't be loyal to one then they were probably flimsy about their loyalty to the select few in their """herd"""but for the ponk fag i can't even really be madif he already said "gun to my head i choose eqg ponk over mare ponk" then fine but on top of that even if he explicitly said "eqg ponk and mare ponk only" and actually meant it romantically and sexually to the point no one else interested him in a sexual or romantic sense then i think he can pretty easily keep the titlethe whole point of being a waifufag is exclusivity, you draw the line and stick to it and if that line included more than 1 mare or abomination, then yeah ur a fag but you're still at least a WAIFUfag due to exclusivity
>>42603061I never said it makes you one, I said it makes you look like one. Everyone is going to see it as you lusting after more than one character.
>>42603082We've already been over this. WAIFU means WIFE, which means SINGULAR and MONOGAMOUS.
>>42603061there's so many posts that you gotta keep shit short and simple otherwise things will be misinterpretedhence why i keep my posts either short and sweet or single topic, gets me the best results
>>42603092i think herdfags are retardedpolygamy is still a real thing, but if you're married to two wives and don't engage romantically or sexually outside of those two wives technically you're still a waifufag by strict definitiona herdfag will always be seen as greedy and disloyal, mostly because they probably are, but in a hypothetical where they actually stuck to the two wives in romantic and sexual exclusivity then they could still be considered waifufags
>>42603104Nope. It's WAIFUfag, not WAIVESFUfag. Language is important.
>>42602713Nta if you think SciTwi and Ali Twi are different then you're just a coping normalfag about how Pinkie is the same when EQG from the start made it a point that they weren't the same as the ones you know from Equestria. >Entire crux of being unfaithful is a throw away gagYou should absolutely kill yourself.
>>42603086I see. Well I guess that happens sometimes.>>42603095I agree with the logic. Sometimes that's very difficult, but you do make a great point.>>42603109You can "wife" multiple people. In fact, there are cultures that deem it normal, I.E Islamic cultures. which is pretty cringe but that's beside the point With that logic, you can waifu multiple individuals, or have a mixure of wives and waifus if you're that much of a degen.And so long they are loyal to their waifu in this polygamous clusterfuck, it technically still fits.Language is important. But it also changes. And you can change it too. Maybe make a new word something like a mono-waifu, or some other autistic shit, so that we can better identify what people mean. Otherwise we are just going to keep arguing about what words mean until the end of days. Hate to have this schism, but we didn't start the fire.
>>42603168Explain how the Pinkies are able to transfer from one world to the other without anyone noticing? SciTwi and Ali Twi could not do that, which we see in ALL THE FUCKING EQG MEDIA, I MEAN COME ON!>Entire crux of being unfaithful is a throw away gagI don't even know what you mean by this. I'm not being unfaithful in any way.
>>42603199That's a not canon gag, you fucking retard. It's the same shitposting as Faust's tweets, only in animated form.
>>42603201Oh I see. Gotta disagree with you their Anon, but sorry for being retarded, I'm working on that. It was a pretty funny gag though, I gotta say.
>>42603229You absolute tourist turd. The clip you're basing your bullshit off of was literally under "Bloopers" It's NOT CANON.
>>42603234>Your favorite gag is not CANONIT IS CANON TO ME!! I have no logical argument. I just like that scene so much that its canon. I will die on this hill with a smile on my face.
>>42603250The entire blooper reel was about how not-real the show is as a fun filler. You will 41% yourself, you don't get to pick and choose.
>>42597669i made a life size plush one year ago and it filled a hole in my life
It is possible to concretely define what does and does not constitute true waifufaggotry. It is not possible to keep people who stand not compliant, but merely adjacent to that defintion from gravitating to it all the same. The secret club, as with all before it, will inevitably be diluted by people who align with your general ideas, but not the precise principles that you consider essential. It's heresy writ small. Unless you expect Imaginary Friend Wednesday to take off as a general, you might have to learn how to co-habit.
>>42603269I'd agree with you, but that's what half the board does anyway. Some call EQG not canon just because they don't like it. >>42603284Very based, who was it of?
>>42603310No one on the board treats non canon as canon, this is just like thinking IDW holds any weight. You are the biggest retarded fraud.
What does it mean if my waifu lets me jerk off to other women? And sometimes thinks it's kinda hot?
>>42603359Not in a cuck way, to be clear. She finds the other women hot or doesn't really care, but certainly prefers I stick to mares.
>>42603308>Unless you expect Imaginary Friend Wednesday to take off as a general, you might have to learn how to co-habit.litterally no one would consider an imaginary friend a waifu because it's a fucking friendthat's like saying my friend is my waifu, that's a fucking dude and im not into him like thattulpafags are a whole other thing
>>42603183>Devolve your community to make outsiders feel includedNo. Next you're going to say that Bronies are Furries.
wow I wonder if this guy is baiting for replies
>>42603400Wouldn't be surprising since he's a Barbietard.
>>42603400He types too many words to be considered a troll.
