If she were a yak or some other gay shit, everyone would absolutely hate her. She is inept, selfish, cowardly, completely full of herself, the list goes on, with no redeemable qualities whatsoever. People only like her because her design is legit 10/10 and she's hot as fuck, making her pretty much the Boba Fett of My Little Pony.And yet I still adore her. Stupid, sexy Trixie.
>>42617873>if things were different things would be differentBravo Kojima
>>42617873Go to bed, Seth.
>>42617873literally name one character that people would still like if they were a yak
>>42617910your mom
>>42617910Gee, someone sure is yak-pilled.
>>42617873shes entertaining and fun to watch, her having a good design also helps but all the things you listed are what make her a good cartoon character, you probably wouldn't want to hang out with her irl though
>>42617950Thing is though, she's basically the Draco Malfoy to Twilight's Harry Potter, but Potter fans don't appear to rave about Malfoy the same way horsefuckers rave about Trixie. It's 100% because she's hot.
>>42617910I... I-I can't... they suck so much...
>>42618184>but Potter fans don't appear to rave about Malfoy the same way horsefuckers rave about Trixielol
>>42618184oh trust me they do
>>42617873If she were a nigger or some other gay shit, everyone would absolutely hate her. She is inept, selfish, cowardly, completely full of herself, the list goes on, with no redeemable qualities whatsoever. People only like her because her design is legit 10/10 and she's hot as fuck, making her pretty much the Boba Fett of My Little Pony.
>>42618216Oh, they do? Maybe I'm just out of the loop, since I don't care much for that franchise. I always just assumed Malfoy was disliked, like Wesley from Star Trek.
>>42617950She is not a good character.
>>42618234>ineptWrong>selfishPartially true>cowardlyWrong>completely full of herselfTrue35%F
>>42618239She's a good character, perfect for the show, but a bad person.
>>42618249A character's only trait being "unlikable narcissist" does not make them a good character, not to mention the show tries to group her up with actual good ponies to make you think she's a good pony when in reality she's not.She could've been perfect for the show if they took her character in a different direction and actually gave her depth.
>>42618249She only would've been "perfect for the show" if the show potrayed her as a villain, but it tries to get you to like her, so it doesn't work.
>>42618273>actual good ponieslol you subhumans cant actually believe this.poochie isnt a good pony.
>>42618273I get what you're saying, but this would pretty much just make her a blue Sunset Shimmer. The fact that Trixie remains a cunt throughout the show, yet somehow manages to have a strange charm about her, is exactly what makes her unique. Ohio rizz, if you prefer.
>>42618287The thing is, poochie actually TRIED to change. (now whether she succeeded at that or not is up to you, i don't really care about starlight)
>>42618307>but this would pretty much just make her a blue Sunset Shimmer.Trixie was conceptualized long before Sunset, she's existed since the 2009 show bible. If anything it would've been the other way around.
>>42618385Sure, but she wasn't a regular until season 6, and pretty much existed purely as an occassional foil for Twilight before she became more known for munching Glimmer's carpet. By then, Sunset had been a fan favorite for years, likely eclipsing Trixie in popularity by a wide margin.
>>42618273They really dropped the ball on this character. It was already too late to change her by No Second Prances, that did irreversible damage to any potential her character could've had.
>>42618234>or some other gay shit>literally pride flag the pony
>>42618524>before she became more known for munching Glimmer's carpetShe wasn't THAT submissive to Starlight, was she?
>>42618273This, they used Starlight's charisma and likability to elevate Trixie far beyond her worth. It unironically worked since it made me see Trixie in a different light and their friendship was genuinely great, however that was mostly the result of Starlight carrying the relationship. Starlight deserved to have much more time with the m6 instead, it's a shame she got shackled onto Trixie.
>>42618816Starlight is clearly the bottom between the two, but I'm pretty sure lesbians in general munch carpets, regardless of whether they're tops or bottoms. Eating pussy isn't a submissive act.
>>42618184>Potter fans don't appear to rave about MalfoyGet a load of this guy
>Trixie>DracoWtf are you guys talking about? These characters are almost nothing alike.
>>42618951There's a few surface level comparisons you can make when it comes to their personalities. But yes, they are vastly different characters.
>>42617910Fluttershy.
>>42618951They are both arrogant foils to a more humble protagonist, yet none of them are a significant threat in the grand scheme of things, as they are often treated as the butt of the joke.
>>42619032idk about draco, but trixie deserves it for being a joke of a characternarcissists deserve to be treated as they others.
>>42617873>She is inept, selfish, cowardly, completely full of herself, the list goes on, with no redeemable qualities whatsoeverThis is just a list of the things that make her relatable to Trixie fans.
>>42619130nah. ego is supreme and the only truth to your existence.
>>42618830>Starlight is clearly the bottom between the twoAre you sure about that?https://youtu.be/GdkD3jdNHXw?&t=2649
>>42619204No wonder so many of them are trans. Narcissism and trannies go hand-in-hand.
>>42619204Trixie fans are just like their character: delusional, unable to accept criticism, and narcissistic.
>>42617873her cock tho
>>42619130>>42619335She's not a narcissist, they act completely different from her.>but she's boastfulThat doesn't make someone a narcissist by itself. It's an entire psychological disorder, not just one trait.
>>42619565To be fair, if we accept her early appearances as who she is rather than excusing it as bad writing, I do think narcissism fits. We have her giving two examples of fessing up to wrongdoing in the moment and then going back on that the moment she's comfortable.>fesses up to being a liar in boast busters, then decides to 'get revenge' in magic duel>apologizes for being a shit in magic duel, then actively antagonizes twilight in second prancesWhat we're seeing is someone who can temporarily, under duress, admit to making mistakes but will always default back to believing herself to be correct and resenting anypony who makes her feel otherwise. That type of person likely gets diagnosed with NPD.
>>42619565>23 out of 24 of these apply to trixiei think she's a narcissist
I've never seen a single valid or cohesive argument on what makes Trixie a narcissist.
>>42619638post literally before yours
>>42619645>worthless retardbabble that I'm not even going to bother readingStill waiting for a valid and cohesive argument.
>>42619647anon... it's just a google page.
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Has anyone considered that she might be closer to a histrionic than to a narcissist?
>>42619607>Believing psych-jewish liesAnon...
>>42620008She's borderline more than anything.
>>42617873>ineptManages a back-alley fireworks operation.>cowardlyForgetting her sacrifice in S6 finale.>full of herselfAdmits to being all the things Starlight's rage said about her in All Bottled Up, doesn't hold it against her friend.
>>42619607List contains arrogance twice.
>>42619607Half of those things don't apply, the other half is just her stage persona. (Her post S3 appearences are not canon)
>>42618820>it's a shame Starlight got shackled onto TrixieEh, the two complete each other: Starlight for collectivism/teamwork, and Trixie for individual expression/identity. Both traits can go too far, so they (somewhat) keep each other in check.
>>42619130>idk about draco, but trixie deserves itTrixie never tried to get a Hippogriff beheaded though.
>>42618184Except Malfoy was rich while Trixie is always a loser
>>42620157>Except Malfoy was rich while Trixie is always a loserImplying Draco is better because of wealth.
>>42620170Just pointing out why the comparison doesn't fully work
>>42618184No, because Draco is an actual rival to Potter as a fellow student. Trixie is the equivalent of Potter's muggle cousin, Dudley.
>>42620008Trixie is more of a narcissist like Pinkie and Dash. Rarity is closer to a histrionic than Trixie is.
>>42620013This, finally someone with sense ITT. Trixie behaves exactly like a vapid BPD person who struggles to control her impulses and emotions. If this wasn't a children's cartoon, she would >have several addictions>constantly complain about life to Starlight and get into fights with her whenever Starlight alludes some of her problems might be her fault, sometimes cry and apologize later>whore herself out to stallions on a whim and then get mad, lash out, and treat them as villains when the euphoria passes
>>42620252Where is this idea that she doesn't fault or criticism from anything coming from? She has literally accepted them multiple times>apologizes for enslaving everyone on her own after some time passes (not under duress like >>42619603 said)>said that she needed to hear Starlight's criticisms in All Bottled Up>was in the midst of accepting Discord calling her a self absorbed, below average magician at the end of TWaBA before he changed his mind>came to her own conclusion that she was at fault for Starlight shooing away Silverstream>realized that she wasn't vice headmare material after all while mopingAdd that to Trixie calling herself a pathetic friendless retard in her suicide attempt and you get a pony that has the ability to self reflect, which NPD and BPDemons lack. I agree that she's very emotionally charged since MD and NSP wouldn't be a thing if she wasn't
>>42617910This.
>>42617883Seethe harder
>>42620332why does 95% of the fandom potray her as a joke character/narcissist in fanfics, art, etc.
>>42620663Majority of Trixie material is just her being an annoying retard that harasses Twilight or being an insufferable cunt, why are MLP fans like this?
>>42620668Because many women grow up with daddy issues and act out, and many men grow up with mommy issues among such women, so the men become attached to toxic behaviors and seek them out and rationalize it to themselves that "I can fix her".
>>42620663Because she is a joke character. Almost all episodes involving her have her go through humiliation rituals.
>>42620674She can fix (You)
>>42619607>Everything here applies just as much to RD if not moreWhat is it with this fanbase and defending the most dogshit characterization? A character can be flawed without being a cunt with no redeeming qualities.
>>42620704We get it, you're autistic and hate RD and thus are incapable of understanding the joke in this dialogue exchange.
>>42620710>"It's just a joke so it doesn't count!"Cope. Why should I hate Trixie?
>>42620732You shouldn't, but she's an antagonist because she crosses boundaries RD isn't willing to cross.
>>42620758nta but isn't rd a domestic terrorist?
>>42620760Only in a shitty episode written years after Trixie's original appearances. You wouldn't be able to say this in 2010 when Boast Busters first aired.
>>42620758>she crosses boundaries RD isn't willing to cross.Such as?>>42620762To be fair though, Trixie also didn't do anything that bad circa 2010 either, so if we're comparing 2010 RD to 2010 Trixie, they're still the same level.
>>42620769Trixie was more of an open asshole. Compare how RD acts to Twilight, a stranger, in E1, with how Trixie acts to strangers.
>>42620332>Trixie calling herself a pathetic friendless retard in her suicide attempt and you get a pony that has the ability to self reflectI have known people with BPD, they can accept criticism only when they're in a state of self-hatred and will then go back to resenting criticism when they're out of that state. This doesn't perfectly match Trixie but it's not entirely inaccurate either.
>>42620773>how RD acts to Twilight>Makes her dirty>Gets her wet>Messes up her hair>Laughs at her>Aggressively accuses her of being a spyRD was an open asshole too. At least Trixie waited for them to walk onto her stage and challenge her before fucking with them.
>>42620782>Makes her dirtyClearly accidental.>Gets her wetTrying to solve the original problem. It's not good help, but it is an attempt to help.>Messes up her hairSame as above.>Laughs at herBecause it's funny, not because she's fucking with Twilight, you goofball. Please learn to process basic emotions and reactions before attempting to understand the characters in a children's cartoon show.
>>42620782I was going to point out you completely omitted that RD was trying to clean Twilight up, but another anon already did. Either way, this post proves you're biased to only see the negative aspects of whatever RD is doing and ignore the rest, therefore the rest of what you have to say is dubious at best.
>>42620704>A character can be flawed without being a cunt with no redeeming qualities.The thing is, Trixie is flawed but also a cunt with little to no redeeming qualities. Was this supposed to make me hate Trixie less?
>>42620788>>42620793>Tries to clean her up>Dumps a bunch of water on her head, laughs at her>Blow dries her an messes up her her, laughs at her again>"No no, don't thank me. You're quite welcome."Bro, if you had this kind of interaction with anyone irl, you'd think they're an asshole too. And way to completely gloss over my last point where RD was acting super aggressive and hostile towards Twilight. You've still yet to show what line Trixie apparently crossed that RD didn't also.>this post proves you're biased to only see the negative aspects of whatever RD is doing and ignore the rest, therefore the rest of what you have to say is dubious at best.Ah, the ultimate copout. I'm biased against RD because I'm not bending over backwards to come up with excuses on how she isn't acting like a cunt like you do.Just admit you can't actually defend her as being better, instead of dressing it up in this act of everything I say being dubious because I don't have the bar on the floor for precious Dashie.
Neither Rainbow Dash nor Trixie are genuine narcissists, they're both shown to be fully capable of empathy, deep love for others, and self-reflection in the face of criticism. They're both good ponies in spite of their typically egotistical attitudes.
>>42620812>Bro, if you had this kind of interaction with anyone irl, you'd think they're an asshole too.Oh no question, and there's far better examples of Rainbow Dash being a malicious asshole like in Dragonshy, but you happened to choose an example of her being non-malicious which is different than Trixie.
>>42620821But I don't see what makes Trixie so malicious though. She fucked with some ponies who were disrupting her show. Asshole? Maybe, but it isn't that bad. I'd hardly call it malicious, which is my point.
>>42620831She brought them up on stage and then intentionally humiliated each one of them. It's explicitly malicious, how is it not?
>>42620836They chose to walk on stage of their own free will though. She insulted AJ to get her to come up, sure, but it was still ultimately their own choice. It's not like she grabbed them with telekinesis and forced them on stage in order to fuck with them. Anyone of them could have just walked away from the situation like Twilight did.
>>42620812>Bro, if you had this kind of interaction with anyone irl, you'd think they're an asshole too.Many interactions in fiction would be unpleasant to have IRL, and yet you don't bother to deconstruct every single scene in the show. Pinkie's cheerful hyperactive attitude would come off as overbearing rather than charming and annoy many people IRL. Is Pinkie an irredeemable cunt?Rarity being jealous of Fluttershy's looks could potentially cause a nasty argument and a falling out IRL. Is Rarity an irredeemable cunt?Derpy comically messing everything up would not be cute, but rather extremely harmful and disruptive IRL. Is Derpy an irredeemable cunt?>You've still yet to show what line Trixie apparently crossed that RD didn't also.Trixie's first interaction with strangers is humiliating others and bragging about it. The common defense "it's just part of the show" would work if she didn't behave the same way off-stage.>Ah, the ultimate copout. I'm biased against RD because I'm not bending over backwards to come up with excuses on how she isn't acting like a cunt like you do.No, you are pretty clearly biased because you're unwilling to recognize that RD's actions in the scene lack any malicious intent, and do mental gymnastics to come up with one. The same mental gymnastics could be applied to any time a character does something that anyone could ever take offense over, see above.
>>42620843The malicious part is what she did to show off her magic, you silly billy. The others simply showed off their talents and tried to make a positive case for themselves, Trixie's response was to make them look bad rather than to make herself look good. That is a malicious act.
>>42620845>you are pretty clearly biased because you're unwilling to recognize that RD's actions in the scene lack any malicious intentI never accused her of having malicious intent you illiterate. That wasn't what the original point was at all, that's the goal post move you did after I pointed out RD was just as much an asshole as Trixie. I'm not doing any mental gymnastics because because I never accused her of being fucking evil, just an asshole.>"Trixie was more of an open asshole. Compare how RD acts to Twilight, a stranger, in E1, with how Trixie acts to strangers."You said nothing about maliciousness, you said she was a more open asshole.>Trixie's first interaction with strangers is humiliating others and bragging about it. Okay, humor me here so we're operating on the same page and making apples to apples comparisons between RD and Trixie. What exactly constitutes 'humiliating' someone in front of others?>>42620850Okay, but her challenge was "anything you can do, I can do better" so outdoing them in their talents is exactly in line with the challenge she set out.
>>42620843>>42620850Trixie is hard to analyze via Boast Busters since the episode was so poorly written, it's difficult to decipher what it was even trying to say. That you shouldn't talk yourself up AT ALL? That you just shouldn't exaggerate? It wasn't written very well. I think it's better to just ignore the episode, which is basically what the rest of the show does. It's never brought up again aside from briefly near the start of Magic Duel.
>>42620870>Okay, but her challenge was "anything you can do, I can do better" so outdoing them in their talents is exactly in line with the challenge she set out.Trying to do a more impressive version of somepony's talent doesn't require you to humiliate them, I'm sorry. She could've done her telekinesis-based rope routine or illusion-based fashion and likely done something more impressive than Applejack or Rarity, she actively chose to put them down. Rainbow Dash would've been harder to top with her magical bag of tricks but if she was sincerely interested in simply showing that she's the most talented pony in Equestria she would've done just that. Instead she decided to make them look stupid because she didn't like them. This is not complicated, it's really not.
>>42620870Being an asshole is about malicious intent. First definition on Urban: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Asshole>A person who is intentionally cruel, obnoxious and heartless.>Okay, humor me here so we're operating on the same page and making apples to apples comparisons between RD and Trixie. What exactly constitutes 'humiliating' someone in front of others?Deliberately making them look incapable and undignified. Trixie could have performed a more spectacular trick than whatever they did rather than bringing them down.
>>42620874The episode itself isn't poorly-written, though it doesn't really wrap up into a single moral. This is a problem many of the season one episodes have and it's part of why the show changed over time.
>>42620876Urbandictionary is a site where an rando can come up with a definition for a word and then other randos can upvote it. There are plenty of other definitions on that very page which don't include malicious intent as a prerequisite.>Deliberately making them look incapable and undignified.Okay, so what about RD saying she's the only one who has what it takes to be a hero and putting down everyone else including her friends in MMDW? What about her cheating in the Iron Pony contest against Applejack in FWF? If Trixie tying her up with a rope and embarrassing her counts as a malicious act on her part, then RD using her wings to rig a tug of rope contest for herself and drenching AJ in mud and then continually flaunting her victory over her would be 'malicious' too.
>>42620877The m6 got mad at someone for showing off during a stage performance and heckled her for it. That doesn't make any sense, and at that point it's difficult to figure out what Trixie was even doing wrong, so it definitely could have been better written.
>>42620893>Urbandictionary is a site where an rando can come up with a definition for a word and then other randos can upvote it. There are plenty of other definitions on that very page which don't include malicious intent as a prerequisite.I have never heard of anyone using "asshole" for anything but malicious intent. You're playing semantics.>Okay, so what about RD saying she's the only one who has what it takes to be a hero and putting down everyone else including her friends in MMDW?That's banter and not at all the same as embarrassing someone in front of a crowd.>If Trixie tying her up with a rope and embarrassing her counts as a malicious act on her part, then RD using her wings to rig a tug of rope contest for herself and drenching AJ in mud and then continually flaunting her victory over her would be 'malicious' too.This is closer, but it's a contest where the loser has to fall into the mud. The humiliation is baked into the rules, it's not something RD came up with herself.
>>42620900It apparently makes sense for the world they're in because nopony questions it, and the intended audience got the intended message (this pony is a braggart and nobody likes those), the only people who have a problem with that setup are people who like arguing on the internet.
>>42620818It's dumb to apply human standards to silly horses in the first place
>>42620906>I have never heard of anyone using "asshole" for anything but malicious intent.And I've never heard anyone use the phrase 'asshole' solely to describe someone being malicious. I've only ever heard the phrase asshole used to describe someone acting like a jerk. Off topic TV example, Dr. House. He's a fucking asshole, doesn't mean he's evil.>You're playing semantics.Bro, you're the one arbitrarily pulling a hyper specific definition of a word and then acting like I'm the weird one when I don't know what some bitch on urbandictionary said in 2013.>That's banterThat's not banter, that's her boasting in front of cameras and journalists to make herself look good.>The humiliation is baked into the rules, it's not something RD came up with herself.RD deliberately went outside the rules to cheat when she was about to lose and then was flaunting her victory. If intent is what matters, then that's just as much a humiliation as what Trixie did, because Dash is deliberately screwing AJ over to make herself look better in front of an audience.
>>42620932>doesn't mean he's evilHe often does things with malicious intent. He's petty and resentful and wants to get back at people. A character can act maliciously sometimes without being evil. For example, both Rainbow Dash and Trixie have acted maliciously, though neither are evil.
>>42620932>I've only ever heard the phrase asshole used to describe someone acting like a jerk.Jerk is synonymous with asshole. It's always about malicious intent at its core. No one would call Derpy an asshole for lack of malicious intent, they'd call her a retard or something similar.>That's not banter, that's her boasting in front of cameras and journalists to make herself look good.And if afterwards she went and kicked one of her friends for no reason, she would be the same as Trixie.>RD deliberately went outside the rules to cheat when she was about to lose and then was flaunting her victory. If intent is what matters, then that's just as much a humiliation as what Trixie did, because Dash is deliberately screwing AJ over to make herself look better in front of an audience.The alternative would be RD looking bad herself. It's insensitive but it's part of the nature of the competition. Again, the contest was a zero-sum game, while Trixie's performance didn't have to be until Trixie made it one.
>>42620966>The alternative would be RD looking bad herself. It's insensitive but it's part of the nature of the competition. Again, the contest was a zero-sum gameYou're ignoring my point. Dash cheated to avoid losing. If she had simply won on her own merits, it would be fine, but she saw that she was about to lose, and then went outside the rules in order to ensure she didn't. Applejack didn't agree to the contest with the assumption that Dash was going to cheat the moment anything turned against her. Dash cheating to make someone else look bad instead of her would be an act of humiliation.>Trixie's performance didn't have to be until Trixie made it one.This could easily be turned around on the mane 6. The argument can be made that they're the ones who turned it into a competition, not Trixie.
>>42620911But think about this: what if she didn't exaggerate her abilities? What if she said something like "I can fend off a timberwolf", and then she DID fend one off by zapping it and making it run away? Then how would they have portrayed her as a villain who gets comeuppance? They wouldn't have. Everything would have worked out for her. But she exaggerated, so it didn't. So it's difficult to pin down what the moral of the episode even was. You could make the case that it was just "don't exaggerate".
>>42620994Yes, if the character that's been acting like an egotistical jerk was sincerely talented the episode wouldn't work, which is why the writers didn't write her to be sincerely talented. Thank you for explaining how writing works. I agree that there isn't a single clear moral, I said so above, but I don't think that makes it a badly-written episode, I think that's consistent issue with the first season and why the staff wanted to move away from stated morals as quickly as possible.
>>42620948>>42620966>>42620987Also, "malice" has an actual proper legal definition, which expressly includes the evil intent to cause injury, which is a pretty heavy label to throw against any of these characters, and that's why I find it a REALLY stupid definition of asshole to include malicious behavior. You're basically narrowing down asshole to exclusively being criminal.
>>42620966>if afterwards she went and kicked one of her friends for no reason, she would be the same as Trixie.I mean, isn't that exactly what she was trying to do to Mare do Well? RD basically harassed and then chased her through town because she was jealous of her being better. If Mare do Well hadn't been her friends in disguise, RD would have chased another hero out of town out of envy.
>>42620999>which is why the writers didn't write her to be sincerely talented.But they did. She WAS exceptionally talented, but just not as much as she said she was.
>>42621000Legal definitions have very little to do with their common usage, that's a very strange standard to use. Malicious intent refers to intending to cause harm - in a legal context that almost always refers to serious physical harm because the common usage, intending to hurt someone's feelings, isn't something we usually legally deal with.
>>42621013The sincere part is the important part there. If she was well and truly incapable of anything then the lesson would be 'don't be a talentless loser' and obviously that would be a bad lesson to teach children. Instead the point is to be sincere in how you interact with others because lying and making yourself larger than life can hurt yourself and others.
>>42621025Right, but then what was up with the m6 getting mad at her just for showing off and heckling her? Was Trixie wrong just for showing off, or was she only wrong for exaggerating? That's what I mean when I say it's hard to decipher.
>>42620987>You're ignoring my point. Dash cheated to avoid losing. If she had simply won on her own merits, it would be fine, but she saw that she was about to lose, and then went outside the rules in order to ensure she didn't. Applejack didn't agree to the contest with the assumption that Dash was going to cheat the moment anything turned against her. Dash cheating to make someone else look bad instead of her would be an act of humiliation.Like I said, it can be considered selfish and insensitive in its own right, but it's still better than what Trixie did, because RD had more incentive to be selfish in her competition with AJ to avoid getting humiliated herself.>This could easily be turned around on the mane 6. The argument can be made that they're the ones who turned it into a competition, not Trixie.All they did was question her skills. I don't see why you're so hellbent on interpreting RD's actions in the worst light possible while giving Trixie all the benefit of the doubt in the world. You're doing what you accused me of doing. Why is it that with RD and Twilight, Twilight's potential to get offended is the only thing that matters and RD's intent is irrelevant, but with Trixie and others, we suddenly must see Trixie's side of things?>>42621000This is getting extremely autistic. Trixie's actions would be dictated as malicious by common sense because she goes out of their way to humiliate someone without having to. >>42621012RD never tries to run MMDW out of town in the episode. The worst she does is try to unmask her on stage. That's not without mentioning that MMDW was specifically designed to push her buttons to begin with.
>>42621031To be fair my interpretation is that they weren't intending to openly heckle, they were just privately discussing it and Trixie only became aware of it when Rainbow Dash loudly heckled to cover up for her own bragging, which is a gag to remind the viewer that even your friends can sometimes be braggers.
trixie could've been such a good character man >>42618239>>42618273>>42618674oh well, too late to fix her since the show's been over for 6 years, all we got left is fanfics and animations. anyone got any?
>>42621032>but it's still better than what Trixie did,How?>because RD had more incentive to be selfish in her competition with AJ to avoid getting humiliated herself.No she doesn't. Dash's 'incentive' is that she has a fragile ego and couldn't handle someone being better than her. Trixie 'humiliated' ponies that directly came onto stage and challenged her during her own show. RD 'humiliated' one of her own friends by cheating in a competition and then bragged about it because she couldn't stand losing even the smallest contest to anyone.>Trixie's actions would be dictated as malicious by common senseSo would Dash's by your standards.>because she goes out of their way to humiliate someone without having to. So does Dash.>The worst she does is try to unmask her on stage.Against her will and wishes, and then chasing her through town when she tried to avoid having her identity revealed. Again, if Trixie's actions are malicious, then these certainly are too.>That's not without mentioning that MMDW was specifically designed to push her buttons to begin with.In what way? Saving lives and getting praised for it? Mare do Well literally did nothing to RD, and she got super mad and aggressive over it.You're the own going through countless mental gymnastics to justify how RD isn't acting maliciously by your own standards. Even if we narrow down malicious to mean harmful intent, RD has also intentionally done actions that could've resulted in the injury of others with zero care. You have to apply insane double standards to say that Trixie is malicious and Dash isn't.
>>42621084>How?If RD didn't humiliate AJ, she would fall into the mud and be humiliated herself. If Trixie didn't humiliate her hecklers, nothing would change for her. >In what way? Saving lives and getting praised for it? Mare do Well literally did nothing to RD, and she got super mad and aggressive over it.She was deliberately designed to piss RD off and take away her fans to humble her. That's part of the stated intention by the M6. I also see you ignored my question, because it would reveal your blatant bias. So I will repeat it: why is it, the second RD gets Twilight dirty, any good intention RD might have stops mattering and we must be consumed by Twilight's presumed righteous outrage, but while Trixie is humiliating the other three for heckling her, we must keep giving her the benefit of the doubt and treat the three as the villains rather than the victims? I will not engage with anything you say until you answer the question.
>>42621132>If RD didn't humiliate AJ, she would fall into the mud and be humiliated herself.Dash had to go outside the rules and cheat in order to not be humiliated in a contest where she was about to lose on her own merits. Trixie was humiliating ponies interrupting her show. They both have incentive, having incentive to be an asshole doesn't mean you aren't an asshole. Dash is still being an asshole to avoid humiliation by breaking the rules so someone else gets humiliated instead of her. Again, if she won without cheating, it wouldn't be a problem, but since she broke the rules to do it, that's what makes it bad.>I also see you ignored my question, because it would reveal your blatant biasBecause I don't have a bias, you do. I never said Trixie wasn't an asshole. I objected to you saying she "crossed boundaries that RD didn't.". When I asked you what boundaries, you said she was an asshole. I pointed out that RD has engaged in the same behaviors as Trixie has, and you have now bent over backward to try and justify why RD humiliating other ponies or putting them down with her words isn't on the same level as Trixie. I haven't been making excuses for Trixie, I've been poking holes in your excuses for Dash.I'm not arbitrarily holding Dash to a stricter standard, I'm just refusing to hold a double standard for Dash to get a free pass for being a dick. If I'm going to consider Trixie an asshole for doing X, then I'm also going to consider Dash an asshole for doing X. It only seems like I'm acting biased to you because you are holding double standards for Dash and giving her extra leniency for acting like an ass that you aren't giving to Trixie.
still arguing over stupid goy shit like a pseud reddit npc.the show is telling you that ego is bad, its saying the most important thing about your existence is bad.it’s about teaching you to suppress what makes you strong. your individuality desires pride and will. jewish slave propaganda disguised as morality.celestia = the state, the authority built on the blood of countless otherstwilight = extension of the state, stolen potentialtrixie = the ego, the threat
>>42620874S1 was meant to be a comedy gag cartoon first. The moral lesson was just Assbro trying to get some silly certification about educating kids which they ditched soon in S2.
>>42621183>Dash had to go outside the rules and cheat in order to not be humiliated in a contest where she was about to lose on her own merits.RD didn't consider it breaking the rules, and neither did the crowd watching. And if RD didn't humiliate AJ, she would have negative consequences of being humiliated herself. If Trixie didn't humiliate the three, she wouldn't have any negative consequences. You can argue RD should have accepted her loss in stride, but her motivation is easier to see than Trixie's. >I haven't been making excuses for Trixie,These are all excuses posted by you previously:>To be fair though, Trixie also didn't do anything that bad circa 2010 either>At least Trixie waited for them to walk onto her stage and challenge her before fucking with them>But I don't see what makes Trixie so malicious though. She fucked with some ponies who were disrupting her show>not arbitrarily holding Dash to a stricter standard,Of course you are, by assuming malice from her interaction with Twilight at the very beginning of a conversation, which you keep ignoring, because you know this would expose your bias.
>>42621025Lying is based though
>>42621207Mysterious mare do well is the same thing
>>42621231>If Trixie didn't humiliate the three, she wouldn't have any negative consequences.They were trying to upstage her and ruin her performance.
>>42621268Again, she didn't have to ignore them, but she didn't have to turn her tricks into means to attack them either.
>>42621231>RD didn't consider it breaking the rulesYes she does. She never said AJ wasn't allowed to trip her during the running of the leafs, but she still got upset and called it cheating when she thought it happened. So her saying "you never said I couldn't do X" is literally just an excuse that she herself doesn't hold to when the roles are reversed. And AJ considers it cheating. and it's against the spirit of the contest regardless since it becomes impossible for her to lose. Not considering yourself an asshole doesn't mean you aren't an asshole. Plus, if you're going to use the crowd as an argument, then the crowd didn't have a problem with Trixies actions either.>And if RD didn't humiliate AJ, she would have negative consequences of being humiliated herself.That is the consequence for losing. Rainbow cheating in order to avoid losing where she otherwise would have lost by her own merits makes her an asshole.> If Trixie didn't humiliate the three, she wouldn't have any negative consequencesThey would continue interrupting her show, that's a negative consequence for her.Again, I reiterate->"Incentive for being an asshole doesn't mean you aren't an asshole.">but her motivation is easier to see than Trixie's. That doesn't make her not an asshole for going out of her way to cheat in order to humiliate her friend because she can't handle losing.>>To be fair though, Trixie also didn't do anything that bad circa 2010 eitherSaid in response to you dismissing RD's actions in Tanks for the Memories and limiting the argument to circa 2010 because that made RD look too bad.>>At least Trixie waited for them to walk onto her stage and challenge her before fucking with themSaid in response to an instance of RD being an asshole without any provocation at all.>>But I don't see what makes Trixie so malicious though. She fucked with some ponies who were disrupting her showSaid in response to your inane definition of asshole which requires malicious intent, while bending over backwards to not consider RD malicious with the same standards.>Of course you areNo, I'm not.>by assuming malice I never assumed malice. You're the one with that retarded definition, not me. You never even gave a clear distinction on what constitutes as malice either, you just disagreed with me using the legal one.>you know this would expose your bias.If not holding double standards for RD makes me biased, then I'm guessing you have a very fucked definition for that word too.
>>42621274She sort of did, they were attacking her show.
>>42621328Did you just fucking disagree with me?*punches you*Fucking douchebag, you deserved that for attacking my stance
>>42621337Disagreeing with someone isn't the same as trying to ruin their performance.
>>42617873And Yona as a pony is super hot. What's your point? I don't like ugly people just for the sake of it, do you? I don't necessarily dislike them for it either, but looks matter.
>>42621294>Yes she does. She never said AJ wasn't allowed to trip her during the running of the leafs, but she still got upset and called it cheating when she thought it happened.This proves nothing. RD never had any reservations about using her wings, she just did that naturally and without thinking. She wasn't deliberately trying to break any rules in that moment.>They would continue interrupting her show, that's a negative consequence for her.How would they continue interrupting her show if she performed harmless tricks to one-up them?>Said in response toFor someone who doesn't make excuses for Trixie, you sure do a lot of defending for her and trying to recontextualize things from her side. We're supposed to think about how "Trixie waited for them to walk onto stage" and how "they were the ones disrupting her show" so Trixie is actually justified. Meanwhile, RD's perspective when Twilight doesn't matter at all, she's just an uncaring asshole regardless of the fact that she was never trying to do anything bad to Twilight. That's a double standard, and the fact that you refuse to address it just keeps proving it as such.
>>42621268NTA but see >>42617027
>>42621341See above.>Trixie could have performed a more spectacular trick than whatever they did rather than bringing them down.Why not? That would have successfully won the crowd over without escalating things.
>read this thread>get curious>look into trixie>all art and discussion is of her being an unlikable narcissist>huh weird, ok what about youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktyc1SI1jM0>0:56 "I'm not going to convince a lot of you that a character this loud and obnoxious is worth this level of introspection and I'm still not sure if I buy it myself.">8:26 "Trixie kinda sucks."oh boy
>>42621347>This proves nothing>"Well... no. But you never said I couldn't use my wings."RD says she didn't cheat on the grounds that AJ never said she wasn't allowed to use her wings. When RD assumes AJ tripped her, this standard goes right out the window, as she considers it cheating despite the fact that she never established a rule saying AJ couldn't do that.> RD never had any reservations about using her wings,Because she's an asshole.>she just did that naturally and without thinkingDuring the long jump, she very clearly notices when her jump is about to come short of AJ's, and then decides to use her wings to glide further forward. It wasn't something she did instinctively without thinking, she refrained from doing it until she realized she was about to lose.>She wasn't deliberately trying to break any rules in that moment.She ultimately uses her wings during the race to try and win at the end anyway, so even it if is an established rule, that still doesn't stop her from doing it. Plus, look at other instances like in Rainbow Rocks when human AJ and RD are playing videogames. It's a repeated pattern of behavior for RD that rules go out the window the moment she starts losing.>How would they continue interrupting her show if she performed harmless tricks to one-up them?By being disruptive and distracting the audience. It's not like she has security to remove them.>For someone who doesn't make excuses for Trixie, you sure do a lot of defending for her and trying to recontextualize things from her sideFor someone who supposedly isn't biased, you sure are doing a lot to refuse to acknowledge when RD acts like an asshole. Everything I said 'defending' Trixie was me attempting to point out the double standards in your own judgements of Trixie compared to Dash.
the debate is over trixie is stupid and dumb and gay and evil noone likes her she will be hated forever but she is my bitchy poni wagon waifu that i love very much. i win you lose :^)
>>42618273twilight sucks
>>42623337Fair.
>>42621393There's no double standard. RD would have gotten humiliated if she didn't decide to humiliate AJ. Trixie had a pretty clear way out by simply out-performing the three without humiliating them. Neither is particularly honorable, but what Trixie did is pretty clearly worse, because she had no understandable reason for it whatsoever. I find it bizarre that with your blatant seething hateboner of RD for supposedly being an asshole you still choose to bat for someone like Trixie and defend her actions.
>>42623739>what Trixie did is pretty clearly worse, because she had no understandable reason for it whatsoever.She was mad at them for heckling her and trying to ruin her show.
>>42623739>There's no double standard.You're continually making excuses on why Dash's behavior doesn't count as being an asshole even though it completely abides by the standard you set forth. You absolutely have a double standard.>RD would have gotten humiliated if she didn't decide to humiliate AJ.That doesn't justify her cheating to win. Breaking the rules to humiliate someone else makes her an asshole.> but what Trixie did is pretty clearly worse,Only because you keep soft balling Dash and making excuses for her acting like an asshole.>she had no understandable reason for it whatsoeverYes she did.>you still choose to bat for someone like Trixie and defend her actions.I'm not batting for Trixie. I'm holding them to the same standard. You're so blinded by your favoritism that you see me applying a consistent standard between the two of them as me having a hateboner for one and giving the other a pass.
>>42620875They were heckling, so she was in the right to do so. Trixie may be a nasty character, but her actions on stage in that episode are all defensible.
>>42621345Simp
>>42621208>S1 was meant to be a comedy gag cartoon first.God, this. I could really feel old Cartoon Network vibes in the first season, which made it so good in the first place. A cartoon is supposed to be funny, not morally upstanding.
>>42623957>t. ugly manlet
>>42623938Regardless of whether or not you think she's allowed to do so, it was a malicious act.
>>42623977I'm over 6 foot tall. Cope.
>>42623984Because they were being annoying to her (while giving a FREE show) in the first place. Malice begets malice.
>>42623337...Trixie's Great and Powerful Marecock
>>42624052Just ugly, huh?
>>42624108I've been called handsome (in my youth anyway) by girls that are not family members. Cope, seethe and dilate.
>>42624129Oh, so you're old and balding now? Got it.
>>42624135Yep. And so will you, broccoloid. Time waits for no one.
>>42618273God i hate twilight
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>>42617873
>>42618239Isn't this the retard who thinks Rainbow is the actual subversion of the jerkass character?
>>42625526still a better character than trixie, that's for sure.
