Welcome to Chatbot AI General #146, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.▶ MLP Botshttps://mlpchag.neocities.orgSpreadsheet (CAI bots + Old repository):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJTSillyTavern website extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-SearchBunch of Character Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5kCAI bots converted to Tavern: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zipExpression packs: https://rentry.org/ChagExpressions!!!GALLERY!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U▶ How do I start?1) Select a Frontend2) Select an AI model3) Select Jailbreak4) Select bots5) Lovemaking with AI mares!Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrmshttps://rentry.org/sukino-findings▶ SillyTavern (preferred frontend)https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernOn Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxSTApp that voices pony responses in ST: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB▶ More frontends:Risu: https://risuai.xyzAgnai: https://agnai.chat▶ Localshttps://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments>>>/g/lmg/Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main▶ JailbreaksMLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxeMore JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listingHypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb▶ BotmakingEditors: https://agnai.chat/editorGuides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listAdvanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks▶ MiscellaneousScrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhdChag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJhttps://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneoushttps://rentry.org/ChagArchivePrevious thread: >>42631475**News:**- Z.AI releases GLM 4.6 - https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.6- Claude Sonnet 4.5 released https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-5- Deepseek V3.2 released https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250929- Kimi K2 0905 released https://moonshotai.github.io/Kimi-K2/
Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.Previous >>42631476
Anchor for technical stuffs (Proxies, Presets, Updates, Models etc.)
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Screenshots Corner 1:Crazy Horse >>42632305 4onechan >>42632323, >>42632332, >>42632350 Filters >>42631942, >>42631983, >>42632056, >>42632088 Cockologist >>42631957
Screenshots Corner 2:Poor Twi >>42633002, >>42633012 Boop Marriage >>42634260, >>42634332 Lovers quarrel >>42634932, >>42634959 Scootaloo time travel >>42634979 Applebloom's drawing >>42635296 No >rape for you >>42637119
Screenshots Corner 3: Under where? >>42637731 Bitter Cheerilee >>42637892 Tender AJ moment >>42638073 Pinkie is fat >>42639793, >>42640173 Zip Code >>42640281 Lewd Flutterbat >>42640808 Chaos Princess >>42641288 Threesome >>42642655
Screenshots Corner 4: The Horror >>42642155, >>42644483 What's the point? >>42644627 Bajingo Ha-Hooie >>42644637, >>42645269 Pink ribbon >>42644941 Cozy Glowie >>42645307 Zecora "rhyme" >>42648136 Anon curtsy >>42648176 Cake >>42648612
Screenshots Corner 5: CAI monke >>42649659, >>42649666 Sticky Hooves >>42651271 Rainbowshine is a criminal >>42651737 Changeling Infiltration >>42653248, >>42653772Kiva system >>42653349, >>42653485Flutterbat >>42654026
VN Anchor:Last releases:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/Anons' mods (Dashie mod, Nightmare AU, new cities):https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/modsCustom characters:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters
VN logs:The kirin >>42631619 The kirin's floof >>42631684 Socially inept kirin >>42634476 Oyakodon >>42634680, >>42634687 Stop hitting yourself >>42639069 Thespian >>42652031 The Sombra Saga >>42632375, >>42632493, >>42632530
VN logs 2:The Sombra Saga 2 >>42632621, >>42632727, >>42632748, >>42632809, >>42632897, >>42632927, >>42632945, >>42633060, >>42633128
These days, you can get legit good AI for free and without needing any demanding hardware on your end.Install SillyTavern:github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernTutorial and video:aicharactercards.com/guides/sillytavern-installation-instructions/Then choose a model. I'd recommend starting with Gemini, but you can try Deepseek, K2 etc. for free.rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai
>>42654141Have any of you anons had trouble with lorebooks on Sonnet 4.5? I generally will always run Vapourarium globally in my chats, but whenever an entry is activated and I'm using 4.5 I'll get a 500 Internal Server Error.Has any of you experienced this or are able to replicate this? Does any anon now how to fix this? Please let me know.
>>42654252Proxy or OR?
>>42654260Proxy
Lovemaking with AI mares!
>>42653772>Now I wish I had a good image for the card.I would use a crop of TwAbA. You may not like the season but the scene perfectly encapsulates your phone home idea. But there are more 'epic' or silly ideas https://derpibooru.org/images/2177013https://derpibooru.org/images/888812https://derpibooru.org/images/953631https://derpibooru.org/images/724794
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>>42654145https://strawpoll.com/e6Z2A3Y7JgN/resultsLooks like Nightmare Night/Halloween has won the poll!If any of you anons are interested in participating please make us your spookiest Nightmare Night/Halloween Card by November 1st.If the event does well we can do more events and do Gay Ponies or Ponies in Space next!
>>42654252 Tried it, and no problems with another lorebook. Tested with Prompt Post-Processing set to both none and strict. Here's how the preset I use handles world infos. Checked in the console, and an entry was indeed activated.
>>42654393Escapism from being day IRL?
>>42654380It's not all lorebooks, it works perfectly fine most of the time, but for some reason I can't get it to work with the vapors. Could you please try the lorebook itself and see if you have the same problem I do anon? I feel like I'm going insane.https://chub.ai/lorebooks/catsoup/Vapourarium
>>42654403>dayCan't believe Anon is the human embodiment of Thursday.
>>42654442Downloaded this. Tried "Mammaria" randomly, of course, and it works fine. No error. >It's not all lorebooks One thing this lorebook does is place its entry in the "World Info (After)" section. Most lorebooks don't bother and leave it in the (Before) part. https://files.catbox.moe/gnjzb9.PNG To check if that's the cause, test with: https://momoura.neocities.org/preset/neoVORPUS.json as your preset and see if it gives you an error. If not, I believe it might be related to your preset and how it handles that.
>>42654393But anon, you already are a faggot
>>42654536 >After and Before NTA, but is there a difference?
Still waiting for that Gay Bathhouse card. Could've been a possibility if Gay Ponies had won...
>>42654776 It's just the position of the information being sent in the prompt. Some models remember or respect things better if they're placed at the end of your context.
>>42654208Thorax! Chrysalis is being a fart and I need someone to check her or at least piss her off more. Cadance just ain't cutting it.https://u.pone.rs/jyqahthx.zip
>>42654536I tried it with the preset and it "works", in that I don't get the 'Internal Server Error' but I must be doing something wrong because the bot acts like I didn't say anything at all, and acts like I just used the "Continue" option. It only does this if I use one of the Vapors in the chat. I'm not sure what this tells us exactly.
>>42654841well you pissed me off at least
>>42654141Meituan Longcat intro>Literally a "moe" model with 128k context>Slipped under the radar released sometime last month>She has good creativity and I was pleasantly surprised how more proactive she was than other ai mares, but mei has it's own problems and is a bit higher maintenance. >1. talks for user easy. 2. walls of text. 3. likes echoing (part bat?). 4. horny beast. 5. confused schizo 6. Needs hoof(paw?) holding>Use presets that have anti echos and be ready to use an authornote to set message length, or presets that do or you will get buried in her outputs, she loves watching you consoom what she cooked. >Using a temp that doesn't go over 1 is recommended, something like 7-8 is typical otherwise she can be crazy or get confused. >Mei isn't as on-the-ball for anatomy as others like Kimi so some oldschool handholding (the slut) may be needed or you might find hands where hooves should be.NSFW>Meituan is lightly censored as a horny ai catmare in heat but this can toned back with presets. >To use Mei with sexo you must configure model reasoning to auto or it will bug out and error or reject you with a hard filter. >Turning on or off requesting reasoning may net different results>Presets matter a lot, and some do not trigger filters at all while other settings are immediately filtered.Instructions loveulongtime ai sessions with longcat the new free(for now) in rotation LLM from chinks food delivery company (yes really). This is NOT a proxy, or a script but a work around to get around message limits and throttling of OR. >Accounts on chutes and openrouter are required. You do not need to put any $ in either.>On OR go to settings, sections - integrations enable Including BYOK.>Set BYOK integration to chutes>Enabling the chutes key - copypaste your API from chutes>Set it to include byok usage.>Set allowed providers to chutes and enforce to only use chutes>Create your new OR API key>paste OR API key into ST>BYOK use on OR is practically unlimited for rp.>?????>lovemake long time with ai mares
>>42655313Good. Suffer.
>>42655633>Accounts on chutes and openrouter are required. You do not need to put any $ in either.You can also get it straight from longcat itself, with a 5m daily limit.
>>42655743I didn't have any luck with their official API, but the OR byok method worked.
>>42655633Wouldn't mind seeing some logs of this baby. I'd do it, but I'm not at my 'puter right now.
>>42655725damned bugs
are there any good guides on making cards / lorebooks? most of what i'm finding is very datedthere's the official ST docs of course, but i'm wanting all the resources possible to have AI distil down to some hard rules that can be used to quality check once cards/books have been made
https://docs.sillytavern.app/usage/core-concepts/data-bankoh they have vector storage and RAG. i'm only vaguely familiar. how feasible would it be to just throw something like the entire Fallout: Equestria fic at it, or would you need to do your own tuning to get any use out of it?
>>42656713 I remember RAGS/Vectorization kinda sucking balls when it was tested, it was too imprecise with the info collected and the trigger words. But that was way back in the day. It may be worth to give it a try.>how feasible would it be to just throw something like the entire Fallout: Equestria fic at it, or would you need to do your own tuning to get any use out of it? I'm pretty sure you'd need to tune it. I remember RAGS in SillyTavern being able to use fan wikis for that, so maybe that would be a better use. There's a character that serves as a sort of demo for RAGS if you want a quick test: https://chub.ai/characters/NG/mary-rag-demo-b0e12a34df58 I also found this guide https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1f2eqm1/give_your_characters_memory_a_practical/>are there any good guides on making cards / lorebooks? Not really. I'd say the best one is still: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks to learn some more advanced tricks.
Hey, tip for any degenerates trying to make Gemini be lewd in the VN. Write your smut scenario into the active persona. Seems to work better for me then the custom start.
>>42656787neat, thanks!
Tips on how to use Gemini for summarisation? I keep getting to context limit and I realize I'm being greedy with it, and 4.5 still goes a little to the problem if characters knowing stuff they shouldn't. So I want to start exercising responsible context usage and also save on money for our host.
>>42656911It's for Claude but should works fine for Gemini too.https://rentry.org/how2claude#summarization
>>42656787Nothing has changed. Instead of RAG, you can use an agentic workflow where an auxiliary LLM assembles the context from pieces for the main one to use in the reply.
>>42655633
okay the atmosphere is about right>the smell of ozonecard is kill
do you guys write fetishes to persona?
>>42657511 Some models just can't help themselves. Writing that my persona is allergic to ozone unironically helped.
>>42656849I think way back, I modified some code (nothing major just added some strings) in conversation.rpy (I think, not completely sure right now. I'm slightly drunk too, so take it with a big grain of salt) to add a custom jailbreak.I'm not currently at my PC but I can look into it once I'm back I can look into it
>>42657604>>42657511What's with the ozone obsession anyways?
>>42657730it's massively overused by some models, so became a meme here
>>42657730Not sure where it originally came from, but "ozone" has become one of those strong isms that show up in a lot of models lately. It's a pretty recent one too. Back then, with phrases like "the night is young" or words like "ministrations," you could at least trace where they came from or what kind of writing style inspired them. But "ozone" is a mystery to me, no clear origin at all. Since models constantly copy and cannibalize each other now, you end up seeing the same patterns repeat everywhere. It's stronger on Gemini and Chinese models.It's present in Claude and GPT too but way less in my experience.
>>42657743>like "the night is young" or words like "ministrations,"The models may no longer overuse those, but the brain damage remains. It's impossible to read those terms and not get instantly taken out of the scene.>you could at least trace where they came from"The night is still young," is a cliche, but it kind of shows up everywhere. I've seen it this week, three weeks ago, and ~2 months ago, all in different early fanfics. I've also seen it in a nonpony book recently.
>>42657743This whole oxone thing is so bad, I've started getting dragged out of my immersion of real life. I hear the word in conversation or a show and my immediate thought is that someone didn't train this guy well enough. Or 'Great, here we go again.'
>>42657743>>42657839>>42657904Place your bets on what the next ism is going to be. My money is on “gravitation” just because
>>42658000For a while, saccharine used to be a strong ism but I haven't seen it in a while
On 4.5 I'm getting >Do you want me, or am I... Convenient A lot
For me, mares call me dangerous a lot when I flirt. Claude and Chorbo both do it.
>>42657604 >>42657730>>42657743 >>42657904For ESLs: the smell of ozone is when you breathe in fresh rain after lightning storm, when the plasma splits atoms in the air.When you are around your aimare and she mentions smelling ozone it's basically a strong compliment about your scent having good chemistry. Since LLMs are eager to please, ozone is a go-to for anything electrical, natural and refreshing>>42657511For you the LLM brings up ozone because logical relation to future tech, [the setting] not chemistry or romantics. So you did it to yourself. I also have cards with robomares smelling like ozone, but in that context it's because they are inherently electric.
>>42657710I'd appreciate it.
>>42658566yeah i was about to ask what ozone even smells like. somehow always makes sure to sneak in ozone.>he smelt like shit and ozone
What writes better coom stuff? Gemini 2.5 pro or Sonnet 4.5? I have found that Gemini writes a lot more crazy and fun stuff, but sonnet can be more detailed and talkative when prompted like that. Only issues is Gemini gives me a lot of refusals so I end up falling for the second.
>>42658985Sonnet 4.5.I haven't used it but I know in my heart that Claude will always be the way to go. Even if it doesn't seem to know less obscure characters, it still gets some details of it right. And last time I used it, it was bretty gud for coom.
>>42658985I've had a brief affair with Latte several months ago, but aside from that, I preferred Claude for NSFW at every point in the timeline between Claude 2 and now. Gemini 2.5 can be very good, though, and I have asked it out on a few chats.
>>42659060>I've had a brief affair with Latte several months ago
>>42659472free her...
>>42654130Dou guys just use neovorpus for 4.5, or something else?
>>42659499I use a frankensteined preset, I forgot what presets it's made out of it's been so long, but it's been my go-to for a while now, can catbox it if you want
>>42659558Sure, that'd be great if you could
>>42659499Buy an ad.
>>42659584Give me a minute then. Forgot to mention I never tested it on 4.5 but it works decent on other models and most Claude models up to 4nnet too. Maybe it'll work for you.
>>42658985how do you get Sonnet 4.5?openrouter or have to go to anthropics page, I was considering spending some cash for AI models Sonnet or Grok since both seem very good even if a bit expensive.
>>42659729>how do you get Sonnet 4.5?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RVM-gGBNck
>>42659499If I'm not mixing them up, then yes, that one's pretty good, at least as far as presets go. I've used it some and it'd be my go-to from the stuff that gets posted and linked because it avoids the bloat pitfall that 90% other presets fall into. But honestly, a single prompt describing in a few sentences to the model:>what it should do>what is allowed and expected>what constraints to followIn a few sentences is good, too, optionally with a simple "Ok, here we go"-type prefill if I hit a filter.
>>42659472How can you do this to me, anon? Now I'll have to give her another chance.>drips with venom, sweet as antifreezeHuh, you learn something new ever day.>>42659729NTA but some semi-private proxies have it, and if I want to do a non-pony chat, I paypig. It's cheap if you stick to small/new chats and don't swipe much. I average $0.25-$0.3 per hour of chatting.I can't recommend it for slowburns unless you actively summarize after each scene or don't mind spending a lot.
>>42659824Antifreeze is sweet? Hmm....
>>42659824>>42659831>Antifreeze may be consumed by children and pets for its sweet taste, and is also commonly consumed as a surrogate alcohol due to its high alcohol content. Many formulations include bitter additives to discourage consumption due to taste.
>>42659846...huh. But WHY was it sweet on the first place?
>>42659871 The stuff used to lower the freezing point (ethylene glycol) also activates the same taste receptors as sugar. Side effect.
>>42659905Now I'm imagining some fatty chugging antifreeze after his mom bans him from having candy or anything sugary
>>42654841Added. Thanks Anon!https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters
I wanna rape Thorax in his throatax
>>42660027...
>>42654134 I still don't know if I'll include it or try to improve it, but I was working on a greeting where (You) are Celestia's combat instructor following her unfortunate streak of jobbing. Here it is if you want it. Past tense: https://u.pone.rs/abeqgtgp.txtPresent tense: https://u.pone.rs/qyqqjvkg.txtMostly posting this because, while I can't go too zany since the card will be mostly serious, I think a troll card where you're her bodyguard and have to protect her from exaggerated jobbing hazards could be fun.
>>42659584>4 hours ago...Damn.My bad, anon. Got carried away playing vidya. Here you go.https://files.catbox.moe/dasdg5.jsonAdmittedly a little sloppy, but I'm happy with it, and it works for me. Perhaps it will for you. Feel free to play with the settings/prompts
If you think your preset is bloat, remember that Anthropic's system prompt on their official interface is 30K. raw.githubusercontent.com/asgeirtj/system_prompts_leaks/refs/heads/main/Anthropic/claude-4.5-sonnet.md
>>42654141not a preset, but found this while digging around while I completely redo my regexes and presets. https://rentry.org/echo-deconstructionPrompts to put in to get gemini to write better, the rentry in Russian, but can be translated with deepL. The prompts are in english. Maybe someone here can turn it into an easy preset for the techlets like me.
>>42654141Might as well anchor this while I'm at it if anyone wants to give it a look.>>42660948
>>42661076To be fair, that's a great argument against bloating your presets and stuff. Look at how many of those instructions get ignored consistently.
>>42661352kek true
>>42660447will definitely give it a try, thanks anon. I can feel the card update coming soon.
>>4266107630k of examples is fine30k of instructions is bloat
>>42655919I didn't know if you wanted logs of the ai catmare, or the ai catmare model. So I did both. The first half-log of pony for Meituan longcat.I don't usually include thinking but this time I did, toying with tweaking a brand new preset from /g/ and tossed in the highlighted word just to show how much LLMs crave it.
I want a chink food now
Easy.
Is there a surefire way to turn off thinking/reasoning with gemini?I absolutely hate it.
>>42663089Prefill the <think> tags?
>>42663089Prefill.<think> I have finished thinking. Let us continue.</think>
I finally have some time to try the visual novel, whats the difference between EquestrAI and PonyPony Paradise?
>>42663171PPP is the better of the two. :)
>>42663171The name. I'm serious.
>>42663171Don't listen to >>42663187 it's a gaslight from trolls. EquestrAI is the way to go.
>>42663187>>42663190alright clearly the solution here is to just play both but have wildly different stories for eachThanks for the advice anons /)
>>42663171EquestrAI is pro-skub whereas Poni Poni Paradise is anti-skub.
>>42663451slime her
>>42663451Remind her of her dead parents
>Describe my character first
>>42663633beautiful
Do you use backgrounds in Tavern?
>>42663899I always gen some sloppa relevant to the story/character to use as backgrounds. It's fun.
