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>>42709241
>Boom! Studios
Can any comicfags tell me if these guys are good?

>>42709247
>The licenses bring Boom! Studios publisher Michael Kelly full circle, as he was previously the long-time head of Hasbro’s global publishing program and was there for both properties’ debuts with IDW.
No clue, but it's clear that this guy got the license because he's buddies with people inside Hasbro.

What's with the exclamation point

>>42709247

They do most of the Cartoon Network comics from AT, OTGW and *sigh* Steven Universe

>>42709259
Boom!

>>42709241
>>42708974

>>42709241
>She talks about going back to the MEEGAN Era
G1 bros it's finally time for us to rise again

>>42709247
they are the ones bebind power rangers i think so, no, just as garbage as idw

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>>42709320
I'm almost afraid to ask what they did to power rangers.

>>42709320
But is it like vitilligo afro pony bad?

>>42709324
lets just say that its on par with the shitty OCs, ooc moments and other nonsense in idw

>>42709326
i can safely say that nothing that bad happened in pr afaik

>>42709241
It's going to be shit; I just know it

This article says that the company reached out so it's not a great sign for figuring out what Hasbro's plans are for the future, but it would be extremely weird to have a (presumably) multi-year G4 contract right before doing a new generation that's not even slightly G4-related.

>>42709241
guy that does not check the catalog
>>42708974

>>42709514
>checking the catalog
Cringe

>>42709241
G6 is going to have the rebooted Mane 6 confirmed!
Lets FUARKING go!

Why don't we just make our own comics? We have the technology.

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>>42710343
But do you have the concentrated power of will?

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>>42709241
Will the comics be le canon though?

>>42709324
Started off very strong but over time they reached event fatigue and just spun the wheels to the point where now the selling factor that a Power Rangers comic taking itself seriously is no longer novel

>>42709247
They're partially owned by Disney

They are gonna canonize trans trixie and make fun of the EVIL 4CHANNERS.
Screencap this

>>42710376
nah they weren't canon when they were published while the show aas aiting they will not be canon now that its over

>>42709247
mediocre to bad probably on the same level as idw
what does idw even have now? just sonic?

>>42709247
G4 with beanmouths. Take the pills away from Janny before it ODs.

>>42710326
There is zero correlation for that. Quit gooning and you will eventually realize it.

>>42711022
I mean, the main FIM comic line was basically decanonised with contradictions from the show and completely assblasted by the Mane 6 recapping all the villains they fought in the Beginning of the End. But the chapterbooks, maybe some other comic lines like Legends of Magic may still be canon. Rise of Cadance is also probably supposed to be canon.

>>42711065
>gooning
Correlation????

>>42711030
I think they still have TMNT, but I don't think anyone cares for that after what they did

>>42709241
>Kelly envisions that the new comics will focus primarily on Friendship Is Magic!, which ran until 2019. Kelly pointed out that when the My Little Pony brand came out in the 1980s, it was marketed for girls. “But Friendship Us Magic! is not at all that,” he said. “There is deep storytelling and strong characters that appeal to a wide audience. It just happens to star pastel-colored ponies that are girls.”
Setting everything else aside (I'd rather just wait and see instead of reading a bunch about it, didnt even read the article), that one line gives me a dozen times more hope that something good may yet come outta this than some fuckin suit blabbering on about how he's gonna "supercharge his pipeline"

I think the should do an official porn comic

>>42711189
This. If that is taken seriously, that means the comics will as well. And as such, we could get something good out of it.

>commission people with a vision for the comics
>commission Gretchen Mallorie again to make the g6 cartoon
Is their plan to draw in the preschoolers with the cartoons and keep the older fans with the comics?

>>42711206
BASED

>>42711189
that does the opposite i dont want anothe "le ebin" nonsense that idw shat out

I hope its good.

>>42711265
>people with a vision
kek

>>42709241
I hope they redo the Nightmare Rarity arc.

What stories could they tell with new comics?

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>>42712313
HERstory

>>42712343
This. And give her a happy ending. That's the one thing I really want.

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>>42711189
I don't want epic comic book storylines. I don't want to see more of what IDW tried to do. I don't see how they still haven't grasped the fact that low-stakes friendship fables in an idyllic fantasy world are what hooked original horsefuckers in the first place.

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>>42712602
>the monkey's paw curls inwards

>>42712602
Hasbro doesn't want to appeal to bronies. Hasbro wants to sell lots, and lots of mindless merch to children and their unknowing parents/uncles/etc.

If anything, the existence of bronies is directly harmful to Hasbro, since they tend to either not buy official merch or buy just one for collection purposes, and then act weird online which makes normies not want their children watching MLP.

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>>42712611
You don't know anything about collectors or reality

>>42709241
I just hope we dont get any writer or artist from IDW. Im so fucking sick of Price or Garbowska i would actually even enjoy G5 if made by someone competent

>>42712607
i should kill you for posting that

>>42712602
>I don't want epic comic book storylines.
>I don't want to see more of what IDW tried to do
I do. Get better taste fag.

>>42712611
IF they made actual collectors pieces like they do for TF it would be good for them

>>42712611
retard. bronies give hasbro the MOST money.

>>42712602
>that low-stakes friendship fables in an idyllic fantasy world are what hooked original horsefuckers in the first place.
Shut the FUCK up you fucking dumbass bitch. You don't watch the fucking show.
MLP has ALWAYS had overarching stories.. Including Season 1 of G4.
Shut the FUCK up. I hope you die

>>42712700
>he wants to see the ponies acting OOC for the sake of ebin and edgy shit (like chrissy maybe sor maybe not killing a kitty)
holy shit taste

>>42712713
you're not a real fan get out

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>>42712602
>I don't see how they still haven't grasped the fact that low-stakes friendship fables in an idyllic fantasy world are what hooked original horsefuckers in the first place
The season premiere was quite literally a high stakes adventure you retard. Every season begins and ends with high stakes adventures. Even earler generations had high stakes adventure.
Holy shit I hate you larpers who never watched the show. And I don't know how can post a picture of chrysalis while post "UMM ADVENTURES AND HIGH STAKES ARE LE BAD"
Chrysalis wouldn't fucking EXIST WITHOUT ADVENTURES AND HIGH STAKES YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>42712711
The overarching story of season 1 was about going to a gala.

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>>42712602
>low-stakes
>what hooked original horsefuckers in the first place
you're an idiot dude

>>42712725
>Chrysalis wouldn't fucking
GOOD the less bugs the better

>>42712726
>muh season 1
no one cares. Also it premiered regarding fears about Nightmare moon dumbass.

>>42712731
yeah you're a dumbass. ignored.

>>42712602
the worst post ITT

>>42712725
>quite literally a high stakes adventure
ah yes the high stakes of... twilight making friends and.... "fighting" a manticore at best

i don'y know where you retatds spawbed from but you can kill yourselves idw is below fanfiction

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>>42712725
>Every season begins and ends with high stakes adventures.
Who knew the fate of Equestria lay in a gala?

>>42712743
>all he can say is BUT MUH SEASON 1
Its not even the best season.

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>>42709241
Interesting. With what we've seen from the gen6 leaks. It seems they'll continue gen4 from the sidelines while doing gen6. Gen6 will get a TV show aimed at a much younger audience (5 to 10), while the comics pander to older (11 to 14, and you degens) audience.

Bronies watched FIM only because of art-style and character design and because of them being autistic loners and each one of mane 6 representing clear archetype, bronies got attached and obsessed with mares and watched the show for the "plot". The only thing G6 has to do is to create a cute mare design, good art-style and be competently written for horsefuckers to eat it up.

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>>insert your (You) here.
I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume that I just really annoyed a couple of anons with unusual preferences, rather than the much more depressing possibility that preferring comfy mares is now a controversial standpoint.

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>>42712602
I want both. Some comics being awesome big adventures. While others are slice of life problems.

>>42712761
Nta but nightmare moon sending sunbutt to the sun is pretty high stakes

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>>42712749
Who knew the fate of Equestra lay in a medal ceremony?
fag

>>42712772
Season 2 and Season 4 mog Season 1 btw

>>42712707
show proof or gtfo

>>42712761
the point is that MLP always had high stakes adventures in g4 and before g4. Its not just the SoL moeslop you wish it was. There is regularly conflict.

Why do faustfags deny that the first fucking episode of the show is a high stakes adventure

I know that the anon(s) doing this are probably baitcuck(s) but still

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>>42712784
Its common sense. You think little girls or their parents are buying these? Be so for real.
These are marketed towards adults.

>>42712749
>Season 1 is not that good.
Kill yourself you stupid retard, season 1 is pinnacle of FIM and the only perfect thing in the show. Season 2 is great but can't reach the absolute perfection of it's predecessor. The rest is not canon.

>>42712788
>Why do faustfags deny that the first fucking episode of the show is a high stakes adventure
They're retarded and clung to an argument that doesn't exist to push their agenda that "SEASON 1 IS DA BESTTEST"

>>42712796
Season 1 is mogged by
>Season 2
>Season 4
>Season 5

>>42712761
nah just contrarians

>>42712771
>nightmare moon sending sunbutt to the sun
thats a headcanon and even then what does nmm do later? pester the mane 6 a little bit? that's not high stakes

>>42712797
First episode is COMFY high stakes adventure were most of it is focused on ponies being friends with each other and learning the magic of friendship through stuff like laughing at scary trees or showing kindness to monster or sharing your tail with him it's not a stupid wedding where mane 6 is straight up beating the shit out of bugs with their bare hoofs.

>>42712802
Bait

>>42712825
harsh truths aren't bait just because they offend you

>>42712816
>I-Its COMFY high stakes
Way to cope and attempt to move that goal post.

>>42712816
and even those are better than the wannabe epicness idw tried to do, it just doesn't fit pony at all

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>>42712788
On the off-chance you're asking in good faith, here's your effortpost. Yes, it's high-stakes by the standards of Equestria (what little we know of it, since it's literally the first two episodes). It's also a goofy kid-gloves conflict that hinges on each pony's character strengths and virtues. In theory, Snooty could blow them all away with some kind of gay little alicorn death laser, of the sort that we first see in A Canterlot Wedding. In practice, she doesn't. Why not? Metatextual reasons: it's meant to be a show about conflicting personalities learning to harmonise via friendship, and not a show about who's got the highest midiclorian count. This theme carries all the way up to ACW, which is the first instance of a villain being defeated via contrivance rather than by the power of the Mane 6's friendship. Besides that, the rest of the show goes along the lines of shit like 'what if Fluttershy doesn't like this flavour of cupcakes?!' and that's the way we like it, because it still centers friendship and its associated tribulations as the core of the narrative. The defeat of Snooty and Discord were made up of the exact same principles represented by the rest of the filler episodes, just writ large.

>>42712835
>it just doesn't fit pony at all
You know nothing about this franchise or this fanbase. You just proved to me that you're a tourist.
>H-high stakes d-doesn't work with ponies
Yes it does. Ponies had high stakes adventures even before G4 existed. And no they weren't all "comfy high stakes" you fucking larper. Then there's the fandom side the most legendary and beloved fan content in MLP are all high stakes adventures.
You are not a real fan.

>>42712837
thats response is too good for those retards, anon

>>42712602
I've seen a lot of bad opinions on this board but this is up there.
Your post reeks of nu-fan pretending to be an oldfan.

>>42712765
pic aside this is why you're a real fan. Ideal MLP needs to have both Slice of Life and High Stakes deeper adventures.
Tell your Tale and Pony Life failed because it was all just slice of life, no higher stakes or continuity to balance it out.

>839
nah you tried too hard fag

>>42712842
making a large post doesn't mean any of it is correct. You and anon are demonstrably wrong and most fans disagree with you.
You want your low states Slice of life moe sloppa? Try pony life, and Tell your Tale.
Oh wait they failed.

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>>42712343
Get fucked statuefags

I feel like you people are sorta talking past eachother. Yes, G1 and G4 both included high-stakes situations that were meant to be harrowing and dramatic to the intended audience of five-to-eight-year-old girls. They weren't particularly intense for an adult audience. Later G4 and the comics wanted to, like the fandom, create stuff that would be considered intense and dramatic by the fandom's standards and that's a very different feeling than what came before.

Ponies aren't really ponies without having both Slice of Life AND High Stakes adventures. If you remove one of them you remove the soul of ponies.
Its why Pony Life and Tell your tale failed so hard. They went all slice of life and it sucked the soul out of the franchise.

>>42712765
>comics being awesome big adventures
they didn't work in idw why would they work now?

>>42712869
It did work in IDW thats why it lasted so long and why the comic is remembered fondly by most fans and not miserable contrarians like yourself.

>>42712864
they are shitposting anon, why are you trying to give them the benefit of the doubt or think that they are arguing in good faith?

>>42712743
>>42712796
>BNE
Worst season ender by large margin, SoLtroons did nothing to advance the fandom which was driven by lore and epic enders. Not even a new character, just a lazy location. BNE only showed the reddit chungus horsemommy isn't a an an aloof monarch. Big woop.

>>42712874
If I assume that every single person on this board is genuinely not interested in discussion just because they're kind of an asshole then I'll just give up on discussion entirely, and that'd suck.

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>>42712868
Ponies need a mixture of Comfy Slice of Life, Low States Conflict, and HIGH stakes darker conflict to be good.
>Comfy Slice of Life
Shows that its an overall nice world worth living in
>Comfy Low Stakes Conflict
Show that the world isn't perfect and that some bad stuff can happen which makes the world more relatable.
>High stakes dark conflict
It makes you invested in wanting the villain defeated/the conflict resolved because you want to protect that comfy slice of life.
If you removed any of these pillars Pony loses its soul and appeal.

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>>42712869
IDW was great. I really liked them. They weren't perfect but still great. So I'm excited for these new comics.

>>42712904
>was great
they really werent besides a couple of numbers

>>42712900
Genuinely curious, when would you say is the first episode to be in that last category? Like, I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that NMM wasn't particularly dark, she was just kinda hamming it up. Same with Discord. So is the first moment G4 pony became soulful A Canterlot Wedding? Or even later?

>>42712884
they aren't being an asshole they are retarded, extremely retarded, you cant read those posts and think they aren't the resident shitposters trying to get some (you)s

>the ending of the end and MYM are "soulful"
no, kill yourself

>>42712313
We'll finally see the M6 taking their boyfriends to the gala

>>42712602
This anon is right, however you do occassionaly still need adventure as a balance. The problem is later seasons started drifting further away into endless world building and nothing but nu-lore dropping. It lost a bit of the innocence of the first few seasons.

>>42712700
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>>42712739
Lot of faggots who only got here after 2020.

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>>42712904
>IDW was great.
No.

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>>42713203
Idk what their problem was with AJ, but she just couldn't catch a break in any comic she was in. That, they way the other members of the mane 6 treat her, and the fact that the rest of them get off way lighter than she does. Zecora went harder on AJ for accidentally offending her with good intentions that AJ went on Rarity for straight up poisoning one of her family members through sheer negligence. Between that and the way she was treated by even the show writers proper, AJ seems to get nothing but shit flung at her. Not very much magic of friendship for her, I guess.
I get the distinct impression a lot of the comic writers were Rarifags. I've seen people complain about RD getting the short end of the stick in a lot of them too. It's always unicornfags man.

>>42712602
Cool and comfy aren't mutually exclusive, and seeing as you just posted Chrysalis I would imagine you're keenly aware of that fact. Are you actually tired of action, or could the problem be that the action you've been presented with just sucks ass?

>>42713262
>Cool and comfy aren't mutually exclusive
they are
>the action you've been presented with just sucks ass?
in the case of idw yes it sucks

>>42712887
I hate that guy. For some reason he really annoys me.

IDW comics were awesome, an bitches are salty they did way better stuff than the show.

>>42713865
trvth nvke

Could be a good way to get some lesser used ponies a time in the spotlight.

So what did boom make in the past?

>>42715209
Comics.

>>42713865
I liked alot of the comics as well. I do have some pretty big criticism of them, but I don't think people on here are ready for it.
>>42713262
Also going to largely agree here. Alot of the people saying that action didn't draw in the original horsefuckers, are honestly just lying. The original fans of the show were intensely interested in the world building & action, but preferred that the world building in show be a bit more soft/vague.
What made the original Faust era so good was that it feels a lot like watching Moomins with ponies. Frankly, hasbro censors the IP too god damn much. They should let it get as dark as G1 tended to be.

As an aside, frankly, I think a lot of you fags that are saying you hate action or world building are just pedophiles that are larping as fans of the show.

>>42715352
>action didn't draw in the original horsefuckers, are honestly just lying
the action of laughing at trees, incredible
you can kill yourself

>>42715209
power rangers and tmnt i think

>>42715352
Tell me what "action" happened in the 1 Season?
Btw FIM's world budling was more about head canons than actual lore in the show-there were simple concepts that got incredible when got developed in fanfics.

>>42715473
Retarded bait. Go be a pedophile somewhere else.
>>42715724
>What action
Literally the first two episodes. Call it what you want but it IS an action driven story. If people don't consider it that way, this is because they are retarded and brainwashed by marvel movies. The whole point is they have to defeat nightmare moon and they blast her ass with a friendship laser.
It's not marvel, but this is action. There is a fight that happens, even if it is resolved by redeeming Luna. Acting like it isn't is just pure cope. People have become so accustomed to marvel tier action they think the word is dirty and implies cape shit tier garbage.
>Btw FIM's world budling was more about head canons than actual lore in the show-there were simple concepts that got incredible when got developed in fanfics.
Yes.wav
Look, early fans wanted more lore. But what they wanted was "soft" and simple lore primarily. Neat stuff that could be developed into something fascinating in fanfic. What was cool about the early lore of s1-s2 wasn't just what was said, it was what WASNT said as well.
Later lore building becomes ass in the show, way too heavy handed and misses out what made the early seasons so interesting.

>>42715352
People got interested because of art-style and pony design witch was incredible in it's simplicity and cuteness and what got them into the show were mane 6 characters since they were perfect archetypes to waifu and additionally people who watched it for the first time excepted it to be shit in terms of writing, dialog and stories and when they discovered that FIM was well made they were positively surprised witch made them enjoy it even more and so they started to fantasize about and draw those characters and because of their head canons about the show they started to love it even more and that's how the bronies happened.

>>42715950
Wrong
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>>42712864
This

>>42715956
(OP) People loved FIM because it was escapism and optimism at it's finest and not because
>haha silly ponies fight monsters and beat villains with lasers
Go back to season 4 or alternatively kill yourself.

>>42715973
Wrong again faggit. For G4 Lauren specifically designed the show so that it could also be enjoyed by adult audiences, so they won't want to kill themselves.
It's not trying to be harrowing. It is trying to be exciting TO the audience. While that audience may primarily be young girls, it's such that it's designed to be interesting.
I can't speak entirely to G1, but G1 has frankly, much darker themes on average than G4. Characters actually die, slavery is apparent, theyre mutilated, etc.
By comparison, G4 is relatively tame.
Both of these samples you cite here, are retarded. It is beyond bizarre to me that someone can see "well target audience is young so those scenes DONT REALLY COUNT!!!"
Anyone who tries to deny there is an action element in G4 is either retarded or a pedophile. No in-between. We should strip you naked and beat you with a fucking fire hose you monkey.

>>42716029
What makes G4 interesting when it is well written is that it is LIKE THE FUCKING MOOMINS.
The moomins ALSO HAS LOW STAKES. But it also has, action. That action is fairly "low stakes" the same way the early seasons was. If you want to compare early G4 to another media, look no further than the moomins. They are extremely similar thematically.
People who try to strip out the action in G4 are outright pedophiles. People who have never watched the show, have no intention of watching the show, and solely come to the board to goon and figure out fandom trends so they can locate retarded gen alpha bronies to rape.
The same way they did to the zoomer and younger millennial faggots that were on the board.

>>42716029
If those things are what got you into FIM you are retarded.
I'm not saying that there's no action in G1 or G4 but that it is watered down action for girls that wasn't what got people into FIM, and no, Lauren Faust didn't designed FIM so adults could enjoy it to, she said that only to defend bronies when someone asked her what she thought of them while calling them stunted man children-before she knew that bronies existed she said that she wanted the show to be "made by girls for girls".

what got the schizo so heated that he started to ramble about how people got into fim for the non existant action and "high stakes"?

is it just another case of an autism attack? is he just a brown shitposter trying to derail the thread?

>>42716029
>For G4 Lauren specifically designed the show so that it could also be enjoyed by adult audiences, so they won't want to kill themselves.
What an odd thing to say

>>42716029
>>42716051
Nobody cares about the action in FIM, two-parters are widely regarded as on the lesser end of quality by the board.

>>42715956
I agree sort of but I do have critiques.
>Art style
What's nice about the art style of G4 is that, it doesn't suck shit. It's good, it's engaging, it's well done. All the characters have very good silhouettes.
Waifuism is a later trait to the fandom, IMHO.
>Writing quality
Yeah, this is true. I was also ass blasted when the show first came on.
The fact of the matter is that the show in it's early conception was very good. It's well done, it's got good story telling. It's designed so it can be enjoyed by a wide variety of people. Thank Lauren Faust for that.
The show was good and it got what used to be a cool fandom. I look back fondly on the early days.

>>42716085
Flag pedophile.
>>42716079
Being stuck with your kid watching an insipid show, is exhausting.
>>42716069
>Rewriting history to fit his narrative
I was there you STD infected cunt. Lauren made the show "for girls". Yes. She said that.
SHE ALSO SAID SHE WANTED THE SHOW TO BE ENJOYABLE FOR ADULTS. because to her that was MAKING it for girls. She contrasted her early experience of ponies to the show she wanted to make. She complained at length about the corporatism of earlier gens and how she wanted a show that could be enjoyed that wasn't just pandering to what studios THINK little girls like.
You need to be tied up and left in a nest for hungry fire ants.

>>42716114
Bait or mental retardation?

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>>42716114
Further, let's revisit the screencap here which is THIRTEEN YEARS OLD.
You know, a bit too old for you maybe.
For fucks sake. You pedophiles are out of control. Cant enjoy any of the more mature themes of G4 without some faggot pervert trying to gaslight you online. We ought to string you dirty shits up in the streets.

>>42716114
>She complained at length about the corporatism of earlier gens
Did she? Or was it only girls media in general? Because why would she complain about G1 when that generation inspired her for G4 - and G3 is of course absolute kino. You don't know shit.

>>42716154
??? g3 ruined the franchise.

>>42716154
1. You are retarded.
2. You are clearly a pedophile who's only interest in the show is his perceived "innocence" of it.
3. Lauren fausts inspiration wasn't the G1 series. It was explicitly her own imagination.

Her quote regarding G1 media
"On TV, though, I couldn’t tell one girl character from another and they just had endless tea parties, giggled over nothing and defeated villains by either sharing with them or crying–which miraculously inspired the villain to turn nice…Some of the more well-meaning, more expensive animated productions for girl audiences may look better, but the female characters have been so homogenized with old-fashioned “niceness” that they have no flaws and are unrelatable. They are so pretty, polite and perfect; there is no legitimate conflict and nothing exciting ever happens. In short, animated shows for little girls come across as boring. Stupid. Lame."

>>42716150
>"People are lewding your mares, Lauren."
>Lauren Faust: "Good."
Why did she say these things??

>>42716150
And this is 15 years old you newfag-
https://msmagazine.com/2010/12/24/my-little-non-homophobic-non-racist-non-smart-shaming-pony-a-rebuttal/

" My goal, as an artist and as a storyteller, was to one day have a show of my own for and about girls."- Lauren Faust

>>42716176
I remember her saying that she liked the toys and making her own stories and world with them and ignoring the media

>>42716169
I think it was commercially pretty successful and G5 ruined the franchise if any generation did.

>>42716183
I'm going to rape you to death. I just referenced this.
I JUST REFERENCED THIS GOD DAMN BLOG.
THIS DOESNT CONTRADICT WHAT SHE SAID IN THE SLIGHTEST YOU MONG.

>>42716188
Yes, she said this a couple times across interviews. Her basic conclusion tied into that she didn't like the way female characters were written on TV. G4 was basically her fantasies she made up as a kid playing with the toys.
Pretty cool desu.

>>42716178
Because she wanted the message to be carried even if degenerates were the only ones who cared.

>>42716191
Your bait is shit. Truthful, but shit.

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>>42716154
>>She complained at length about the corporatism of earlier gens
I think that Lauren Faust enjoys girly things more than she wants to admit it, after all she wrote first two parter where ponies defeated two monsters by showing kindness to them, sharing with them and laughing at trees so pretty stereotypical and girly for me, additionally she pitched two ideas for episodes that were all about mane 6 being obsessed with stallions.
pic related.

>>42716216
I would have paid to see waifufags melt down over an ep like this.

>>42716208
>Because she wanted the message to be carried even if degenerates were the only ones who cared.
She is just a good and compassionate person so it isn't in her nature to just agree with that comment and say "yeah those are some gay faggots". So she instead try to justify bronies by simply painting them as animation fans and that she kind of made FIM for everyone yet she said that only then and before she was all about "for girls by girls".

>>42716231
What makes you think that faust couldnt handle the idea tactfully and blow everyone away

>>42716216
>Her quote regarding G1 media
I guess either Faust didn't watch G1 or the quote is not directed at G1.

>>42716196
So you admitting that what I said is right- That people got interested in FIM because of cute mares and not the "action" and that Lauren Faust made FIM "for girls by girls" witch in her mind meant quality and respect for female characters.

>>42716216
Lauren is just a cool person, she's great at writing shows for kids. The problem with alot of people on the board is that you guys have extremely warped views of the world around you. This includes things that are or aren't girly. What's girly to the average man on here isn't really the same to little girls or even grown women.
People (assuming this isn't same fag) bring up laughing at trees like it's a gotcha. But it's just not, it's silly, but it isn't in of itself girly.
This is very much a show aimed at primarily girls, but what girls like isn't really the same as what people here think they do.
Far as the cancelled episode, yeah. They also had a few other strange pitches.
Girls just like romance media, even if it doesn't go anywhere. Couldn't tell you why, they just do. Lauren does this in her other shows you'll notice.
Wonder if Hasbro was the one who denied this pitch or if it was her.

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>>42716242
It checks out to me

>>42716216
Fuck meant for
>>42716208

>>42716239
Because Waifufags aren't known for being rational and I know from experience, some sperg at the hint of their waifu being taken

>>42716247
What i meant is that she complained many times that she hated that girls in older media only laugh, share and defeat villains with kindness yet she wrote an episode where female character did just that and yes many people associate "girly" with "childish" so laughing at trees is "childish" and because of that many people think its girly while it is just childish and not gender specific thing.

>>42716246
>So you admitting
>Witch
If you can't fucking spell, I have no reason to take anything you say seriously, you flagrant and sulfurous retard. I can point out time and time again how this doesn't contradict what i said. I can even point out that I NEVER SAID IT WAS THE ACTION THAT BROUGHT PEOPLE IN. but you will keep saying deliberately retarded shit, pretending you don't know what I'm talking about.
Go get raped by vultures, retard.

>>42716247
>it isn't in of itself girly.
when was that even implied let alone said before?
dont move the goalposts shitposter, it makes you look more retarded

>>42716263
don't project your autism

>>42716274
>I NEVER SAID IT WAS THE ACTION THAT BROUGHT PEOPLE IN
>Alot of the people saying that action didn't draw in the original horsefuckers, are honestly just lying.
Bait or mental retardation?

>>42716275
Are you retarded? Do you not understand subtext? The guy I'm responding to just admitted that he considers it girly.
You pedophiles are insane. It's like talking to the most retarded people on the planet.
>>42716271
I mean, personally, I think this is a disingenuous way to read the episode. It leaves out that the episode portrays the girls as STRONG and BRAVE.
Again this is very symptomatic of warped views about the world around them and people in it. The same especially goes towards people who see "girly" as synonymous with "childish". Many people may do that, yes, but it's a strange and unnatural view to hold. If you take a moment to stop and think about it, a normal person should be disturbed to think of girly things as being childish.

Compare G4s two parter here to any other "girls" media and you'll notice that other media aimed at girls prior to G4 are largely insipid. Ask yourself what's different? Why does the action in G4 feel different to other shows aimed at girls? It's not like it isn't there, even if it resolved in a friendship (Nightmare Moon for example).
It comes down to the fact that it's better written. It's not trying to talk down to little girls like they're idiots, it's giving them something fun and interesting.

>>42716290
Horsefuckers aren't people...

>>42716290
>Deliberately misreading
I will take you into my basement, chain you there, and feed you dog treats until you're normal.

>>42716300
Is it better written than earlier media for girls?
For example Winx club or Tinker Bell movies had some action and portrayed girls as brave and capable.

>>42716300
Going a bit further this is also precisely what's wrong with many later episodes. The writers assume the audience is stupid and it does come across. It creates a tension that is entirely unpleasant. It's part of what makes the haberverse irritating more often than not-it assumes you, the viewer, are stupid and haber knows better what is "cool" or "interesting". Which to him is making the show into cape shit.
Later seasons of G4 does its best when the writers are enjoying what they're doing, censorship from Hasbro is minimal & the core theme of the show (friendship is magic) carries through.

>>42716274
>I can point out time and time again how this doesn't contradict what i said
Can you tho?

>>42712725
Yeah, and the season openers and finales were always the worst episodes. All the good stuff is in the middle of a given season.

>>42716300
>The guy I'm responding to just admitted that he considers it girly.
cause it is girly, same with rarity helping a fruity sea serpent that was concerned about his looks

but im going more with you admitting other people mentioned pinkie laughing at thw trees before. Now, i know you are a retarded shitposter and you cant even defend your own point but you did say before that the action in the first two parter is what got people hooked with the show (a blatant lie), you got told that said action was just laughing at trees and ignored it AND THEN lumped that with the second anon calling it girly

when did the first anon ever said or implied that it was girly? or you admit to move the goalposts

>>42716324
I would say it's better than winx club IMHO. I never really liked it. I don't have a huge reason for this, but it never hit right and most other girls I knew who were the target audience weren't into it either. The ones who tended to like it were fairly young and not really conscience yet. (Often about toddler age)
The tinker Bell movies are....OKAY. But there's definitely an immediate difference in terms of quality. They very much are trying to be "appealing" to little girls in a way that also is "acceptable" by modern standards.
Again, not bad, but as far as quality goes, FIM is better. Female fans of the show

>>42716274
im not going to assume there are two retards that have the same retarded opinions

>>42715352
>Alot of the people saying that action didn't draw in the original horsefuckers, are honestly just lying. The original fans of the show were intensely interested in the world building & action

kill yourself

>>42716309
>no argument
concession accepted, you are a newfag

>>42716336
It was apparent he was a shitposter once he called everybody that disagreed with him pedophiles.

>>42716093
>I look back fondly on the early days.
you were never part of them, larper

>>42716351
yes, i could even say its possible he also made other similar posts before him but that would be too dumb on my part

>>42716340
>Conscience
*Conscious
The retardation is POISONING me. >>42716336
>Accuses me of lumping things together
>Proceeds to lump fruity sea serpent and tree scene together.
You are retarded and your post is incoherent. You're baiting me to respond more, because you are a pedophile who doesn't like that his show isn't "innocent" enough.
I didn't ignore anything and quite clearly said why I don't consider the tree scene girly.
Further, if you're talking about how something is girly and putting laughing at trees within the same context, the context is that laughing at trees is girly. Are you retarded?
I also talked about the final fight with nightmare moon and why I consider this to qualify as action.
I mentioned that action WAS PART OF WHAT GOT HORSEFUCKERS INTERESTED. not that it was THE ONLY THING.
You people lack any reading comprehension. I want to rape you until you are crippled and need one of those Stephen hawking chairs.

>>42716351
I legitimately believe that people who hold there is no action in the show at all, are pedophiles. I think a lot of you are pedos who pretend to be into the show. Especially you.
I am not shit posting about this and not a single person has combatted that point, but instead slid around it.
The only reason I can comprehend to deny that any type of action is in the show, is because you're a fucking pedophile. It's just not reasonable or based in reality. The same way it's not reasonable or based in reality to deny that fans in the early era of fandom were not interested in the action scenes.
The only people who want to do this are pedos who are vested in the supposed "innocence" of the show. It's creepy and it's fucking weird.

>>42716379
Overcoming a challenge by laughing at a threat is pretty girly. No male characters would overcome a challenge in that way. It only works so well because the scene is aware that it is being girly and turns this moment "moe"

>>42716379
>>42716398
Schizo

>>42716398
I mean for fucks sake, we have JDB on the board. We have the golly pedos, we have all these untoward freaks. I wouldn't mind if they were just into retarded porn, but the amount of times I've seen pedo memes brought up at the drop of a hat, is insane.
Anytime someone tries to talk about the more mature or action oriented parts of the show, it gets shot down. Has anyone even brought up the spiked punch joke in SEASON ONE? That's a joke clearly intended for the parents. But we have people here trying to gaslight us into thinking the adult audience was never intended.
It's creepy that we have these people constantly asserting the innocence of the show the way that they do. The only reason that makes any sense to me is that the people who are saying this shit, are pedo LARPers.
Hell didn't we just have a thread from some guy who said he felt guilty all he did was jerk off to the show?

>>42716398
>The same way it's not reasonable or based in reality to deny that fans in the early era of fandom were not interested in the action scenes.
Saying you got into MLP because of the action is like saying you like SpongeBob because of its philosophical intrigue.

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What the fuck is this conversation about anymore? Wtf is all this about pedos and 'innocence'?

>>42716445
It's just one schizo that's rambling about pedos but before-if you want to contribute-there was discussion on what made FIM good and what attracted people to this show and my opinion on this topic is that it was art-style, pony design and mane 6 characters and then it was escapism and optimism of the show combined with community/fandom.

>>42716379
yeah because they are from the same episode and pretty girly
>didn't ignore anything
but you did, the first anon that brought up pinkie laughing at the trees, you just gave him a non response and lumped that post with that second anon calling the scene girly

>talked about the final fight with nightmare moon
the amazing minute (im being too generous with this) "fight" where twilight runs at nightmare moon then teleports to the elements and then is just talking? that so called "fight"? lets me guess you will stretch what a fight means or say that you mean a battle of wits or something?
>why i consider it qualifies
well you are a retatd why should we care about that?
>not that it was the only thing
nobody said that but you right now, actually what you did say was
>i can even point out that i NEVER SAID IT WAS THE ACTION THAT BROUGHT PEOPLE IN.
when that is not true you did say the action got people interested, ou are contradicting yourself

i dont say it often but i must agree with that one anon, kill yourself

>>42716422
>but the jokes
what does that have to do with your retarded ass lying and saying that the non existant action in the first two episodes is what got people into the show? and that just because of said non existant action like laughing at trees or fixing a mustache we should suffer thru more idw epic action slop?
you are truly retarded, i cant stop raping your ass and you cant do anything about it

>>42716398
>>42716422
I'm not going to lie anon, you sound like a schizo. You're argument is the same as all the people who used to call anyone who liked MLP pedos because it was cute. You can't just call everyone pedos because they enjoy the less "adult' aspects of the show.

>>42716445
just a loose schizo or shitposter just like the othes before him saying that FIM is known for its action and we should accept action in in the future or in these new comics (they will suck anyways)

>>42716484
This.
Leave "EPIC ACTION" to fanfics and let comics tell some cool stories involving background ponies and their day to day life and problems.

>>42716491
It's a schizo.
shitposter would be funny and better at baiting.

>>42716404
>Only girls laugh at things that are scary

C'mon Anon that's some pathetic bait.

>>42716465
>>42716491
>>42716500
>Anyone who I don't agree with is a schizo

>>42716591
In the context of the episode it is girly when ponies defeat enchanted trees by laughing at them.
Boys laugh at danger.
Girls defeat danger with laughter.
You are schizo.

>>42716591
Bait or mental retardation?

>>42716603
Not the same Anon but you're just splitting hairs. Typical /mlp/ bitter faggot behavior. The intent is the same, laugh in the face of the scary thing to rob it of its power. I know your head fits comfortably up your ass but it doesn't mean it belongs up there.

>>42716609
Everything is bait to someone Anon

>>42716650
So you're saying that when ponies defeated trees by laughing it wasn't a girly moment? I personally think that it was cute but childish.

>>42716675
The trees weren't actually monsters trying to snatch the mares

>>42716677
I never said they were.

>>42715489
Were they good?

>>42716650
Overcoming a challenge by laughing at a threat is pretty girly. No male characters would overcome a challenge in that way. It only works so well because the scene is aware that it is being girly and turns this moment "moe".

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>>42716821
NTA, and it's been a while since I watched Holy Grail, but I'm pretty sure Arthur overcomes the Black Knight by cutting all his limbs off, not just laughing at him.

>>42716848
>but I'm pretty sure Arthur overcomes the Black Knight by cutting all his limbs off, not just laughing at him.
Just ignore that part.

>>42716805
Laughing in the face of danger or a scary thing to bring your fear of it down or otherwise rob it of its hold on you is a time tested trope in men's media. You keep specifying 'defeat' but they didn't defeat the trees. They were given perspective that some spooky looking trees in the dark aren't worth being frightened over and to move on from, which isn't an inherently girly idea.

>>42716675
I agree, it's very cute, maybe a bit childish with the song but that's just the transport vessel for the message so its acceptable.

Captcha: DASNY , the machine knows I refer to disney products.

>>42716880
>You keep specifying 'defeat' but they didn't defeat the trees.
They did, it was an obstacle created by Nightmare Moon to stop the mane 6 from reaching Elements of Harmony and when they laughed at haunted trees they changed back to normal by loosing NMM's mist that came back to her or it was NMM in mist form that possessed the trees to turn them into scary trees don't remember exactly but my point still stands-ponies defeated scary trees by laughing at them.

>>42716802
I dunno about tmnt but PR was just ok
they wanked the first team a lot, ignkred the others and added a lot of OC stuff but had some good numbers here and there

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>>42716898
I'm assuming the latter of it just being an extension of her msgic/will like the Shadowbolts were. I'd also probably say overcome than defeated but it's just playing synonym quibbling by thist point.

I suppose I'm also arguing in bad faith with you so apologies there.

>>42716263
Just called them what they are, waifuniggers

Now consider that Pinkie is the element of laughter

>>42716958
But pinkie isn't always laughing.

>>42716300
The pilot action wasn't written well, it's just Sailor Moon-lite which is still popular with girls. Faust didn't bring anything new to the table, she just used some successful tropes which is more than can be said of the previous gens.

>>42716954
I like saying Faggot more. Rolls off the tongue in a more pleasant way.

>>42716984
if we, as a collective, laid down on the copium as to see how faust jumped the shark all the way back to the literal SECOND episode of SEASON 1 when she completely undermined nightmare moon's backstory and twilight's conflict of making friends in just a single fucking anime flashback powerup asspull that was neither earned, properly setup nor build up in the slightlest but instead just given to her by the writers because she happened to notice the strangers she just met being useful to her cause and thus, realizing"huh, having friends can be useful, never before in my whole life did I never stop to make that connection despite being characterized as the autistic nerd".

problem?
Nightmare Moon's struggle with being overshadowed by Celestia?
Boom, gone! She was just being a whiny bitch that needed some rainbow tasting spanking to be set back on the right place.

problem?
Twilight's inflated ego and lack of social skills being the very things keeping her from making friends?
Boom, gone! Friends just... come to her...willingly! She is actually flawless and just needed to learn how friends can be useful.

problem?
Celestia's failure with her sister being the cataclysm to her corruption and the error of the past that had to be corrected somehow if Celestia were to ever hope to get things back to normalcy with her sister?
Boom! Gone! Thanks to floaty magic rocks going YEEE, Luna gets back with Celestia just fine, in fact, it's Luna who feels any kind of guilt or remorse for her past, as if she even had the opportunity to do anything wrong before being sentenced a 1000 years on the moon with no trial.

They don't even attempt to make a connection between the main conflict and the protagonists, Twilight just wants to stop Nightmare Moon because hurr durr she is evil and eternal nights are bad, that's it! Nothing about that motivation relates to making friends or learning about friendship. What about Nightmare Moon's backstory relates to Twilight in any way? There's nothing! It's just generic evil backstory for generic evil villain that generic protagonist must defeat by overcoming their generic problem and save the day.

The show only shines in the isolation of single episodes of contained narratives because it couldn't really go beyond that, it was, in fact, made primarily to sell toys and done so in a restrictive budget reflective of this fact.

Lauren Faust did not revolutionize girl's media, she just struck gold in a time where there wasn't much competition and internet hype culture was up for grabs, all she really had to do was make a cute show with cute ponies in wholesome moments with nothing too annoying to scare the adults away and she would've won!
Had she done nothing beyond the bare minimum of this formula, the results wouldn'tve differed.

If you pay close attention, you would realize just how unremarkable the show is at everything else it tries, including comedy. It's a show made to be enjoyed, not really thought about.

>>42717009
hyper truth nova

Bump

>>42717009
Thats a brutal and deserved truth.

>>42717009
>problem? Luna's struggle
>Boom! She was just being a whiny bitch.
Yes. 10/10 lesson.
>problem? Twilight was a shut in
>Boom! Twilight touched grass
Fixed.
>Luna dindu nuffin
Worse fanfiction than most Trixiefags.
>nothing relates to friendship
Celestia and Luna's friendship was amended. Being a bitchy tyrant is as lonely as being a shut in.
>it was always bad
No, you're a demoralizer.
>even comedy
I LOLed at "yay!", "20%cooler" and Rarity getting hit by cake at the gala. Sue me you joyless cunt.

>>42717009
Season 1 is literally the funniest thing ever made, sorry you're one of those lefties born with no humerus

>>42717498
>>42717506
"The show only shines in the isolation"-that includes comedy.
It's a show made to be enjoyed, not really thought about- yes there are moments or jokes that are funny but those exception to the rule-you can say that season 1 is funny but most of it is probably you remembering fandom jokes or memes and not intended jokes in the show except a few good ones like one anon metioned

>>42717604
>most of it is probably you remembering fandom jokes or memes and not intended jokes in the show
except its not at all and you're projecting

>>42717604
Those are fandom jokes for a reason. You clearly weren't around for the beginning.

>>42712772
I don't know what's supposed to be going on in that picture, but it looks like Luna is trying to take a 1000 year shit and needs Thorax to help her.

>>42717934
she can't fit the medal past thorax's horn things
that's exactly what's happening in that picture

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>>42713248
>It's always unicornfags man.
We just want things to be the way they ought to be.

>>42717634
>>42717649
>It's not at all because of fandom you're projecting.
>It is because of fandom for a reason.
>No reason given.

>42718037
>it is because of fandom
The word twisting here is so tryhard Olympian that it has the opposite meaning.
>gib reason
S1 was funny prior to fan input. Simple as that.

>>42712785
>MLP always had high stakes adventures
My Little Pony Tales didn't.

>>42712837
The Twilight vs Tirek battle was one of the high points of the franchise. It's a shame that it could have been even better if they had gone through with letting the characters punch each other.

>>42718094
Season 1 had more misses than hits in terms of jokes in my opinion but we can agree to disagree.
Do you really find jokes like for example "20% cooler" to be absolutely hilarious without fandom input?

>>42718104
Everything post season 3 is non canon and garbage.

>>42718118
I got a sensible chuckle out of Rainbow Dash being a dumb brat that doesn't know exactly what she wants. Did you not?

>>42718135
It wasn't a lol moment for me nor I think it deserved such praise and fame by the fandom because to me it's a mid joke at best. For me the best and funniest episode of season 1 is dragonshy.

>>42718149
>>42718135
>>42718118
IDK what it was with early bronies obsession with Rainbow Dash quite frankly. She was never a very well handled character even back in season 1. I can't think of any other show where a character's goal to be the best X is already accomplished from the moment you meet them. It's like if Ash was already the worlds greatest Pokemon duelist with the strongest Pokemon in the first episode. "I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was" my nigga you already are. And like >>42718149 said, her jokes aren't even that funny. She's such a jangling keys character that I'm convinced early bronies were just morons with shit taste who just latched onto what they perceived as the "coolest" character out of insecurity for liking a girl's show.

>>42718160
What do you mean? Dashie is best pony. I love her very much.

>>42718160
>Early bronies were just morons
And what does that say about Dashiefags?

>>42718168
She's too perfect, unironically. She has no room to grow because she's already the best. Like I said with the Ash analogy, it's like if in the very first Pokemon episode he's already a master duelist with a god-tier Pokemon, and he just easily blows away every trainer and gym leader he meets. He's already the very best like no one ever was, there's no room to grow, no where to go. Hell even characters like Naruto or Luffy who have dumbass broken god powers that can carry them through every fight still actually had to suffer losses to characters better than them. Dash is so broken that if she was someones fan fiction OC everyone would be calling her a Mary Sue.
>>42718171
They just really like the jangling keys, I guess.

>>42718160
The show was always an a 6/10 cartoon with 8/10 individual moments but it had the best art style and pony design not only out of all the other generations but as a standalone cartoon and it had decent worldbulding and good setting taking great and underrated stuff from LOTR and medival european stories and legends and most important thing for the fandom- MLP's popularity rises from the fact that characters are colorful one note archetypes so autistic people can latch on to them. It helps that there are so many characters so there's a pony for everyone.
>OMG purple horse is a nerd, just like me!
>I like shy girls, yellow horse is my waifu!
>I wanna fuck a tomboy so rainbow horse gets me hard!
All the talk about the lore is suuuuuper deep and dark and character development being "genius" is pure cope. Everyone loves Luna because her design is cool and that's it. We knew nothing about her until halfway through season 2 but by then she was already arguably the most popular ponyrfu.

>>42712880
>Worst season ender by large margin, SoLtroons did nothing to advance the fandom which was driven by lore and epic enders. Not even a new character, just a lazy location. BNE only showed the reddit chungus horsemommy isn't a an an aloof monarch. Big woop.
TRVTH NVKE!
If SoL moefags had their way the fanbase would have died early due to lack of interest.
AdventureKINO keeps the fandom alive.

>>42718185
Bronies were at their peak at season 3 where there were 4 two-parters that had adventure aspect yet it was a watered down adventure that still focused on friendship therefore I'm asking you-what adventure are you talking about and how was it this that got you into show/fandom?

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>ackchually the show was always terrible my fellow bronies
Oh boy, here we go again.

Early bronies liked Dash because most of them were teenagers, and teenagers like things that are cool, like athletic confident tomboys who can explode barns by ramming into them. Then bronies aged, so their tastes changed.
Who's the most popular pony nowadays?

>>42718193
>No argument
I accept your consession.
Also This
>>42718175

>>42718185
True. 'member when everyone wanted more adventure across equestrian for g5? And what we got instead was anything but. Never listen to SoLtards, they're just as lost as Hasbro suits.

>>42718196
>bronies aged
If only. The fandom is swarmed with braindead tiktok zoomers nowadays.

>>42718193
>Actually the show was always a standard cartoon for little girls that's quality didn't justified large adult cult following.
Yes.

>>42718224
It was more than just toddler slop.

>>42718232
That's what I said-good cartoon for litte girls-still doesn't justify fandom existence

>>42718234
Why are you wasting your time in the fandom then? Go back to your weebshit or capeshit or whatever you normalfags love so much.

>>42718202
I also remember when Pony Life came out and everyone hated that it was all Slice of Life with no adventure or substance.
Don't let SoLfags try to push their narrative. No one wants MLP to be pure SoL moeslop.

>>42718192
Friendships and Adventure go hand in hand anon. They're literally commonly paired tropes in fiction for a reason.

>>42718234
get out of my board

>>42718252
It is my board too, I'm just not a schizo like you guys and can admit that what I like isn't an masterpiece.
>Fag of the fandumb
Kill yourself you stupid niggers.

>>42718264
Go back you cocksucking nigger.

>>42718250
Both G3 and 3.5 were SoL only and bombed. But the mindless memers parroting snowpity think it was undeserved cancelation. Adventurekino was going back to the roots with Rescue at Midnight Castle. Without this MLP always fails

>>42718271
Wasn't G3 just all around poorly made? Poor writing, poor voice acting, poor animation. It's hard to pin down one particular reason why it bombed.

>>42718271
>Both G3 and 3.5 were SoL only and bombed
Very true and Pony Life and TYT was SoL only and were flops.
Its almost like there's a correlation.

>>42718266
Go back

>>42718286
I remember seeing some G3 animatics which looked quite expressive, but the final animation is terrible. The animators section in ending credits is not surprisingly all ching chong ping pong.

>>42718149
I can only recall Fluttershy failing to clear the 3 foot gap being the funniest bit, and Rainbow pulling a fainting goat. The rest is as standard as Suited For Success.
>jokes don't deserve praise and fame for being lower than mid
Do you even meme, bro?
>>42718174
Her character growth is in being a team player, not being a retarded cunt, and taking less naps. Stop watching shonen garbage and you might realize that being the fastest thing alive wasn't the plot.

>>42718300
What about when everyone was preparing to go visit dragon on the mountain and Fluttershy went with pillows and football gear and got scared when doors closed behind her.
And that was exactly my point that mid jokes are funny because of memes and fandom and not because of show itself.

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>>42718300
>Her character growth is in being a team player,
But that doesn't even happen. She's still shit at being a team player even after becoming a wonderbolt.
>not being a retarded cunt
She still is.
>and taking less naps
She still does.
>Stop watching shonen garbage and you might realize that being the fastest thing alive wasn't the plot.
My nigga, there was no plot. RD started as the best and literally nothing about her changed between season 1 and her joining the wonderbolts. At no point does any of what you just said actually serve as a obstacle that prevents her from joining the wonderbolts. She has no incentive to change. She's worse than shonen garbage. At least shonen garbage has some kind of character progression.

>>42718303
What about it? It was funny, but I didn't find that gag as funny as those two other scenes. Are you just mad because Footballshy didn't become a meme? I also laughed at Rarity's meltdown and the crazy cat lady comment from Pinkie Pie, so that's another point to Suited For Success, meaning Dragonshy isn't the LOL packed kekfest over SFS that you make it out to be. If "mid" is mid tier then it's still midway funny, but in bastardized zoomer speak I guess you mean bad and unfunny. You seem to think that a meme being funny must mean the joke it's based on is not funny, and that's all sorts of wrong.

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>>42718271
>Both G3 and 3.5 were SoL only and bombed
OOF.

>>42718318
Dashie is not retarded. She was the best and became even better, which makes her best pony and most loveable.

>>42718318
I don't see you complaining about Rarity's second boutique opening being a well deserved reward for overcoming being a drama queen with poor sowing skills. Where's the shonen arc, weeb nigga? How about Fluttershy being a passive aggressive bitch that never stops being shy? Twilight is privileged princess sorceress supreme. If you agree with all that, then spill your favorite pony, now.

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>>42718332
>I don't see you complaining about Rarity's second boutique opening being a well deserved reward for overcoming being a drama queen with poor sowing skills
I have, actually. She has the exact same problem RD does. Flutters and Pinkie I give a pass because they don't have overarching character goals that they're already perfect at, and Twilight actually does suffer setbacks in her goals and comes up against characters better than her, see glim glam. It's really just RD and Rarity who have this problem of already being so good at what they do and their flaws not doing anything to prohibit them from accomplishing their goals.
>Where's the shonen arc, weeb nigga
I hope you realize competent writing and a good character arc are not some Japan exclusive thing. Sorry I didn't realize you'd be so triggered over anime references, I guess I'll work in a western cultural reference next time so as to not offend your weeb hateboner.

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>>42718353
>Perfection with no progression from 1/3 the cast is ok if there's no goals
Excellent perspective from the writing critic so far. Fluttershy has the goal to be less shy, but I guess she's perfect or something.
>Twilight's struggle is her mary sue mirror clone...that she never loses to.
HA, and with that, I ain't reading your autistic wall rant screencap. You didn't even have the balls to share your favorite pony. Posting some pony to spare this thread of all the poor taste.

>>42709241
if this means another nail in idws coffin then good

>>42718322
I found it funny and I consider dargonshy better and funnier episode than suited for success. Another cool joke i can recall from this episode is when dragon tosses rainbow dash and she knocks up the rest of the mane 6 with bowling sound-i found it funny.

>>42718322
My whole argument is that FIM is funny but not hilarious therefore unremarkable or "mid" in terms of humor and I gave examples of what I found funny and what i considered not funny.
I also said that people who claim that FIM is hilarious are basing their judgment on fandom memes that are made to be funnier than they tend to be in show for example "20% cooler".

FIM was great.

>>42718118
Yes you humourless fuckface

>>42718149
Head back to dogpatch press lmao

>>42718175
Mlp fim season 1-2 is a 9001/10 cartoon while each and every one of its contemporaries are -2000/10

>>42718271
Don't you lump snowpity posters with the obnoxious contrarians trying shill the early gens like deranged 'who cares more pony' eqd shitbags

>>42719411
FiM was a 6/10 while other cartoons were 5/10 or below. Sure it was better but only marginally.

>>42719401
I can laugh while watching FIM, I just won't sperg out when some mediocre jokes that fandom quotes will appear-watch dragonshy, maybe it will get you in better mood because you sure need it.

>>42719422
Pull up your excel spreadsheets bill gates

>>42718378
>Fluttershy has the goal to be less shy, but I guess she's perfect or something.
I understand that you're butthurt about me insinuating that Lauren's writing isn't perfect, but at least try to be coherent. Fluttershy repeating her lessons in achieving her goal is not the same as RD or Rarity already being in their end goal state. Fluttershy being shy is at least a direct obstacle to her goal of being less shy. You can argue she was stagnant, but her flaws did directly effect her ability to achieve her desired end state, as opposed to RD and Rarity, who area already good enough for their dreams and didn't need to change at all.
>>Twilight's struggle is her mary sue mirror clone...that she never loses to.
Uh-huh. So Glimmer is a Mary Sue and Twilight is a Mary Sue because she never loses to her. So remind me again what pegasus RD lost a race to? When did we meet someone who was objectively a better flier than her? If you're going to use never losing as a metric for a character being a Mary Sue, then I have no idea how you justify Rainbow "Top performance with minimal effort" Dash. None of this is even germane to the point either anyway. Other characters possibly being poorly written doesn't make RD's writing any better all of a sudden.
>I ain't reading your autistic wall rant screencap
Of course you're not. You're already going this far to excuse shitty writing, why would you stop and read something that might show you how stupid your stance actually is?

>>42718735
Your whole argument is riddled with subjective contrarianism. Also, Applebuck Season >>> Dragonshy.
>>42719416
Snowpity posters have great overlap with something you hate. Fact.
>>42719637
It is the same. Rarity's overwhelming generosity is a direct obstacle to her success in Suited For Success and Rarity Takes Manehattan.
Rainbow Dash's lazy attention span in Testing Testing 123 is an obstacle to her becoming a Wonderbolt, so she found a way to study.
> None of this is even germane to the point either anyway
It is when your point about Glimmer being an obstacle for Twilight crumbles into dust.
>reee read my essay!!!
If it's a waste of time for you to type the words out, then it's a waste of time reading it.

>>42719858
>Rainbow Dash's lazy attention span in Testing Testing 123 is an obstacle to her becoming a Wonderbolt,
And the episode side steps the issue by giving her photographic memory for anything she sees in her periphery while flying, so she doesn't actually have to overcome her laziness.
>so she found a way to study.
No, she was given the answers in a way that didn't require her to change. She's exactly the same at the start of the episode as she is at the end, she never got past the laziness or short attention span. So again, these flaws didn't actually inhibit her.
>Rarity's overwhelming generosity is a direct obstacle to her success in Suited For Success and Rarity Takes Manehattan.
Rarity wins the contest in Rarity Takes Manehattan despite having her design stolen, and Suited For Success is all about how Rarity's friends are idiots and the entire conflict would be avoided if they listened to her because her knowledge on fashion is perfect. And this flaw of being 'overly generous' has nothing to do with her achieving her goals, it doesn't come up at all in her opening her Canterlot Boutique. Of course,you would know this if you read the screencap, but I think we've already established at this point you aren't actually interested in reading anything that might go against your preestablished ideas.
>It is when your point about Glimmer being an obstacle for Twilight crumbles into dust.
Lol, that's not even what I was referring to, speedreader-kun.
>"Other characters possibly being poorly written doesn't make RD's writing any better all of a sudden."
The very next sentence. But then again, you wont even take 5 minutes to read a screencap, so it's not that big of a surprise you can't even read an entire line.
>>reee read my essay!!!
It's not even my essay, Greg from RDP wrote it. I'm too lazy to track down a screenshot of my own post, Greg's was on hand and easier to post.
>it's a waste of time reading it.
Just like it's a waste of time for you to even read the entirety of my posts, apparently. Still would love to hear how Glimmer qualifies as a Mary Sue in a way that the others don't also qualify for.

Rainbow Dash is an amazing character. She is great and well-written.

>>42719858
>Your whole argument is riddled with subjective contrarianism.
Like >>42719949 said you just don't bother to read arguments and just make shit up.

>>42719949
Rainbow is still reading to study. Just because she's walking and reading at the same time doesn't make her a slacker with all the answers handed to her like you want her to be.
Rarity achieved her goal of winning the instant she stopped being generous to her friends in both episodes (with a double lesson that friendship is more important than winning it all).
>this flaw of being 'overly generous' has nothing to do with her achieving her goals
Wrong.
>it doesn't come up at all in her opening her Canterlot Boutique
Correct! Opening another business was Rarity's payoff. Saddle Row Review was a conflict for her friends.
>posting brony analcyst essays in place of your own thoughts
Greg's a sour retard that doesn't understand personal conflict is driving most episodes, not some shonen power leveling hero's journey, and you're doing worse for regurgitating opinions other than your own.
>>42719986
This. Sonic Rainboom and Mysterious Mare Do Well are some of the best early Rainbow Dash episodes. She is primarily her own worst enemy.

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>>42709241
There is, like, NO WAY they are not going to ever make a comic featuring Cozy Glow! When has IDW ever used her? In fucking Classics Retold? Lmao, okay. BOOM! will come and give us absolute Gollyverance! Bring us the BOOM!

>>42709241
i hope they choose to have colored outlines instead of black like before, it was really offputting

>>42720417
give Golly

>>42720223
>Rainbow is still reading to study
No, she's not studying at all. She has a mental superpower that lets her absorb information so amazingly well that she doesn't need to study at all. If laziness and a lack of discipline are RD's flaws, Testing does nothing to progress her past them.
>doesn't make her a slacker with all the answers handed to her like you want her to be.
It absolutely does. She completely gives up on studying because she it requires her to do something other than fly fast, and then the episode decides that flying fast is the answer anyway, so actually she doesn't need to change at all. In other words, she's already perfect and doesn't need to develop to reach her goal.
>Rarity achieved her goal of winning the instant she stopped being generous to her friends in both episodes (with a double lesson that friendship is more important than winning it all).
Okay, so your argument is Rarity wins by turning her back on her own Element, but friendship is more important than winning, but Rarity wins anyway because she's just so amazing? If you're trying to argue that these characters aren't too perfect, saying that friendship is more important than winning while also winning every single time isn't a very convincing argument.
>Wrong.
Okay. Explain how that specific flaw was inhibiting Rarity from achieving her goal.
>Correct! Opening another business was Rarity's payoff. Saddle Row Review was a conflict for her friends.
So it's a pay off for her arc of... already being an amazing designer with perfect fashion sense. Again, if you read the screencap, you would know why this is stupid. You can't say an arc is actually good because the character achieved their goal. A character doing something isn't an arc.
>Greg's a sour retard that doesn't understand personal conflict is driving most episodes
His entire problem that he was raising is that there ISN'T a conflict. And I'm not just repeating his opinions either, most of what I'm saying is pretty different from the point he was making. Again, you would know this if you actually read the screencap. Funny how you apparently know I'm just repeating after him even though you said you weren't reading it.
>Sonic Rainboom and Mysterious Mare Do Well are some of the best early Rainbow Dash episodes
Oh, you mean the episode that was all about how Rainbow Dash is already the greatest flier in the world, and the one that every Dashfag hates? Those area the two best Rainbow Dash episodes? Again, if you're trying to argue that RD isn't overly perfect and had a satisfying arc of growth, pointing to episodes where she's already the best and episodes where she doesn't have to change her methods aren't exactly convincing. You're blindly agreeing with a post simply asserting that she's great and well written based on nothing. Flaws don't make a character more complex if they aren't actually inhibiting a character's ability to accomplish their goals

>>42720943
>>42720417
Back to your statue coping I see. Member the last time about how G5 crossover with G4 would totally have statue cameos because they just would okay!?
But they didn't lol.

>>42720417
they will make more chrysalis comics with even more retarded headcanons than the ones in idw

>>42720988
Multitasking is not photographic memory or a superpower. The answer is flying fast WHILE STUDYING. Giving up to mope as she planned to do without her friends' encouragement would have led to failure to achieve her goals.
>so your argument is
Rarity succeeds through perseverance. Go read Fallout Equestria if you want happily never afters and misery porn.
>Okay. So explain [the plot of Suited For Success and Rarity Takes Manehattan].
No.
>So it's a pay off for the arc of...staying true to your vision and your friends
Fixed that mess. Still not reading Greg's shit.
>There is no conflict
Friendship Is Magic is a show about interpersonal conflicts. Heard his shit takes before, I don't need to read your recap.
>Those are the two best Dashie episodes
Yep. Her methods changed involved overcoming her personal fears and ego. I'm sorry you don't see emotions and flaws as having real conflict on development.

>>42721059
>The answer is flying fast WHILE STUDYING.
But she isn't studying, she's just flying normally while the entire town conspires to spoon feed her information because she couldn't be assed to put in the effort herself. It is a mental superpower, because she can perfectly recall ANYTHING she sees while flying even if it's not something she was paying particular attention to. This isn't RD overcoming a flaw, this is the show bending itself into pretzels to give her a way of acing the test that doesn't involve her changing her methods in any way.
>Giving up to mope as she planned to do without her friends' encouragement would have led to failure to achieve her goals.
Uh-huh, and it's her friends efforts that make her pass, not her own, and RD never overcomes her lack of discipline, just like I said. Now you're getting it.
>Rarity succeeds through perseverance
Her perseverance of already being the best even when barely trying.
>"No, I will not explain how this thing that never stopped Rarity from achieving her goal was actually preventing her from achieving her goal."
All you have to say is you don't know.
>Fixed that mess
You 'fixed' it by once again agreeing that Rarity didn't have to change at all to accomplish her goal and already had everything she needed. And also contradicting yourself my saying it's the payoff of staying true to her friends, while one post previously you were saying Rarity won by NOT staying true to her friends with her generosity. I'm amazed by your ability to continually reinforce by exact argument while pretending like what you're saying is proving me wrong.
>Friendship Is Magic is a show about interpersonal conflicts
Yea, your point? Once again, you're not really disagreeing with me. The problem is the interpersonal conflict is shit. Maybe you could come up with better arguments if you actually stopped to read for once. As it stands you're just saying shit that doesn't contradict me at all.
>Her methods changed involved overcoming her personal fears and ego
Overcoming the things that are both still a problem for her even after joining the wonderbolts? Meaning she never actually overcame them?
>sorry you don't see emotions and flaws as having real conflict on development.
Except every post you make is about explaining how the characters don't need to change because they're already great enough as is. That's the complete opposite of development. Flaws are something a character is supposed to overcome in their pursuit of a goal because their flaws are the thing preventing them from achieving it. All you've done here is glorify their flaws and justify why them not growing past them is A okay.

>>42721156
RD is studying, and you're a real salty Moon Dancer over this point. Did you never have study partners?
>Rarity
Okay okay, I'll spoonfeed if you refuse to watch the tv show: Rarity is not the best until she learns to be generous within reason. She changes to accomplish her goals, and it almost costs her friends in the process. She would not have won if her friends didn't make those dresses at knife point, and would not have needed to do that if she didn't so readily trust her competition in the first place.
>the interpersonal conflict is shit
There is conflict, and it drives the story. You thinking it's shit is a shit take I disagree with.
>meaning she never overcame them?
Post an example and I'll tell you how it's wrong or not canon.
>every post you make is about explaining how the characters don't need to change because they're already great enough as is
Every post I make is about how the characters change their approaches. You simply don't like those approaches.

>>42721386
>RD is studying
Repeating something does not make it true. We saw RD give up on studying. She didn't study, her friends got together to spoon feed her the info in a way that she wouldn't have to put any effort into.
>Rarity
And again, how exactly does any of that relate to her not being able to expand her business? Your entire explanation is just flip flopping. She changed to win, but it would cost her her friends, so she went back on that change because her friends are more important. but she wins anyway because... she just has to, apparently. This entire conversation started from you trying to tell me the characters aren't too perfect at what they do, and your evidence so far has been said characters winning and learning they don't have to change.
>Post an example and I'll tell you how it's wrong or not canon
>or not canon
And there it is. The truth of the matter. The characters are perfect and amazingly written because any example of them not being so doesn't count. Stunning fucking logic, no wonder your standards are so shitty.
>Every post I make is about how the characters change their approaches
Except you don't, because you've only continually showed the characters not changing their approaches at all. Rainbow doesn't change her approach in Testing, everyone else does. Rarity doesn't change her approach in Suited, the episode itself is all about how Rarity shouldn't change her approach and her friends need to just have complete faith in everything she makes. She doesn't need to change her approach in Manehattan, because her generosity still bails her out of any bad outcomes that may result of them.
>"while there are ponies who will take advantage of your generosity, you should never, ever let that cause you to abandon your generous spirit. "
So no. You've posted examples of characters not changing their approach at all, and that being treated as the correct decision, because they were already perfect as they were before. There is no internal conflict, because their flaws aren't actually problems to be overcome and they just need to find the right approach, and there is no external conflict because they're already the best.
At this point though, it doesn't even matter, because you've already set the precedent that any example I give of how the characters didn't grow past a flaw is non-canon and so doesn't count. I don't know how you expect me to give examples when you've already established any example I give can just be brushed off with "nah not canon, try again". Just like how you refused to read a screencap you assumed I wrote because it was a waste of time, and when you found out it wasn't me you still brushed it off because it was some other guy who's opinion doesn't matter because Y reason. It's really easy to say the characters are all fine the way they are when you purposefully refuse to consider the possibility that they weren't.

>>42721513
>That wasn't studying! That was spoonfeeding with style!
You are one sad strange little man, and you have my pity.
>Rarity.
Her going back on the change didn't undo the shitty thing she did to her friends. Therefore, Rarity messed up, and is not perfect.
>And there it is
Yep, parts of canon starts to fall off around past s6. This all started because you were griping about season 1 Rainbow Dash, but you moved the goalpost to late season shit.
>Rainbow doesn't change her approach in Testing, everyone else does.
If that were true, then she wouldn't need to study. And that she did.
>Rarity doesn't change her approach in Suited, the episode itself is all about how Rarity shouldn't change her approach and her friends need to just have complete faith in everything she makes.
Her approach was to do what her friends wanted. She changed that approach after her friends realized their mistake. Second guessing your abilities is a conflict overcome.
>She doesn't need to change her approach in Manehattan, because her generosity still bails her out of any bad outcomes that may result of them.
Her change in approach was abandoning the fashion show to apologize to her friends. Without her friends, she would not have been able to win, which does make up for her misplaced generosity.
>BUT IN THE END it doesn't even matterrrrrr
Exactly. Writing can always be improved, I simply disagree that it's boring, unfunny, conflictless, and mid-tier.

>>42721679
>Rarity messed up, and is not perfect
>"Character made mistake, that means they not perfect"
You have no idea what Mary Sue means.
>you were griping about season 1 Rainbow Dash, but you moved the goalpost to late season shit.
My nigga, YOU said she developed out of the things I was talking about. No shit we moved to talking about the later seasons, YOU brought them up.>>42719858 . You said her being perfect and the best at what she does is justified because her personality was supposed to be her obstacle to overcome, and presented later season episodes as your evidence. This was all your doing.
>If that were true, then she wouldn't need to study.
And she didn't.
>And that she did.
No she didn't. All her friends studied for her and told her the answers while she flew around aimlessly and passively absorbed all the information because she's already perfect the way she is and doesn't need to change her approach to learning information at all.
>Her approach was to do what her friends wanted. She changed that approach after her friends realized their mistake
So the conflict overcome was Rarity is right and everyone needs to listen to her. Sounds like a Sue to me.
>Her change in approach was abandoning the fashion show to apologize to her friends. Without her friends, she would not have been able to win, which does make up for her misplaced generosity.
So once again, her change is that she didn't change at all from her initial state at the beginning of the episode, and only backtracked from a worse one? And this is supposed to convince me Rarity has changed as a character how?
>I simply disagree that it's boring, unfunny, conflictless, and mid-tier.
And you disagree because any proof to the contrary doesn't count. Your a hack who makes excuses for bad writing because you don't want to admit when a character you like was objectively given a shit start.

>>42721753
>Every Character I Don't Like Is A Mary Sue: The Emotional Child's Guide To Show Discussion.
>You brought late seasons up
Nope, >>42718353 "Twilight actually does suffer setbacks in her goals and comes up against characters better than her, see glim glam"
>Noooo you have to study and suffer alone the way I did in school!!!!
If listening to music with buddies while I study is a mary sue cheat in life, sue me you miserable crab in a bucket.
>So the conflict overcome was Rarity is right and everyone needs to listen to her. Sounds like a Sue to me.
Woah, an episode with TWO lessons? Unfathomable.
>So once again, her change is that she didn't change at all from her initial state at the beginning of the episode,
SFS and RTM are not interchangeable lessons, you silly goose.
>and only backtracked from a worse one? And this is supposed to convince me Rarity has changed as a character how?
She was willing to sacrifice it all for her friends. She's a better mare for it.
>And you disagree because season 9 is canon and I hate season 1
Yes. I'm taking a wild guess that you're a Twifag, Glimmerfag, or Flutterfag. You get the most touchy with those names.

>>42721946
Glimmer was my example of a character better than her. She still suffers setbacks in season 1, hence why I didn't say she was too perfect.
>If listening to music with buddies while I study
That is not at all equivalent you disingenuous sack of shit. Rainbow was never "reading to study" like you said she did. The entire town put on an elaborate play specifically so she wouldn't have to read anything at all. Again, the episode side steps the issues of RD's impatience and lack of discipline by giving her an out that doesn't require her to get over those flaws.
>Rarity
Now you're just bending over backwards to ignore my point about Rarity not changing as a character.
>She was willing to sacrifice it all for her friends
Until the show decides she doesn't have to, and she can have her cake and eat it too.
And since you decided you want to bring up shifting goal posts now, how about we talk about the goal post shift you did with Rarity? Remember when you asked why I didn't complain about Rarity opening a boutique despite the fact that she was still a vain drama queen, and when I said that I in fact DID take issue with that, you then completely shifted to talking about her being overly generous as her primary flaw?
Or how about when you said RD'c character growth was being a team player, not being stupid, and not taking naps, and when I pointed out that she didn't stop with those things, you pivoted to asking about other characters, then came back and said that RD's flaw that inhibited her was her laziness in Testing. Then when I pointed out that the resolution of Testing doesn't actually have RD overcoming her laziness, and instead just ass pulls a method of letting her learn all the information without having to stop being lazy, you stuck your head in the sand and continue to insist that RD is actually studying even though she wasn't.
This entire conversation started because I said these characters were too perfect at their jobs and their flaws didn't serve as sufficient roadblocks towards their goal, and your "rebuttal" to that has been naming a bunch of episodes where the characters succeed in their goals despite their flaws through solutions that didn't require them to overcome said flaws in the first place.
Learn to read, since you seem to be really bad at it. But then, I guess your idea of studying is some one reading to you in your general proximity while you fuck around doing something else, because that's exactly what you're calling studying in the context of Testing 1,2,3.

>>42722020
>Twilight suffers setbacks in season 1
Oh yeah, definite Twifaggot, or at least very used to defending Twilight with paragraphs.
>It's not the same
It is. The town held up glorified flashcards for her to read. All she has to do is ask Twilight to help her study that way, or watch Bill Neigh The Science Gay on a treadmill next time. The point of the episode was to learn how you learn best.
>until the show decides [Rarity] doesn't have to [change], and she can have her cake and eat it too.
Her friends didn't have to forgive her. She felt terrible over the chance of losing them. Just because it's a happily ever after doesn't mean no lessons were learned. Maybe you're too cynical and reality poisoned, like Greg.
>Remember when you asked why I didn't complain about Rarity [being a poor seamstress]
Remember when you said Rarity was a perfect Mary Sue, and I said she did have obstacles to overcome being overly generous, so you Greg posted and dismissed interpersonal conflict because you don't like it?
>'member pivoting on RD?
Remember when I got a gauge for what kind of waifufag you are, before disputing your RD hateboner?
>But then, I guess your idea of studying is some one reading to you in your general proximity while you fuck around doing [low effort multitasking like walking]
What is teaching? What is a study partner?

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>coherent, on-topic discussion on /mlp/ in current year
Looks like Christmas came early. I can't wait to catch up on all of this over some cider

>>42722184
>It is. The town held up glorified flashcards for her to read
You mean the flashcards with PICTURES on them, not words? After they all narrated the history to her out loud? Yea, I'm sure that required some real reading on her part.
>All she has to do is ask Twilight to help her study that way
Oh, so all she has to do to get past her flaw of being lazy and lacking discipline is ask someone else to do the heavy lifting for her? Fucking ingenious.
>The point of the episode was to learn how you learn best.
Meaning the point of the episode was that there was nothing wrong with RD at all and she was perfectly fine the way she is. You were supposed to be telling me about how she overcame the flaws were preventing her from joining the wonderbolts, all you've done is show the work arounds the show made so that she didn't have to.
>Just because it's a happily ever after doesn't mean no lessons were learned.
>and I said she did have obstacles to overcome being overly generous
Remember when I asked you point blank how Rarity being overly generous was standing in the way of her accomplishing her goal of opening a boutique in Canterlot, and your response was a non-sequitur about how she makes mistakes?
Once again, if you're trying to argue that a character isn't overly perfect, then pointing to instances of their flaws not actually preventing them from achieving their goal, being instantly forgiven, and winning every encounter that comes their way isn't exactly the most convincing argument. All you've done is give justifications for having them not move past their flaws.
>Remember when I got a gauge for what kind of waifufag you are, before disputing your RD hateboner?
No, because you were wrong on your reading. Way to completely pivot once again though.
>What is teaching? What is a study partner?
Okay, so once again the solution to RD being lazy and lacking discipline is to have someone else do all the hard work for her. You don't need a teacher to teach you a history lesson that can be learned in 5 minutes. But then, you are the same guy that refused to take a grand total of 3 minutes to read a simple screen shot.
Once again I say, if the solution to the episode is to just side step RD's flaws so she can pass the test without ceasing in her laziness or lack of care for academics, then she didn't actually grow as a character. She's still the same impatient hot head she was in season 1, and there's no reason she couldn't have passed and joined the wonderbolts way back then. There is no character growth here, she's perfect the way she is.
You keep calling Greg cynical and poisoned, but I guarantee he would write a better character arc than you. Because so far, it seems that your idea of a "character arc" is "character is already the best at what they do and any flaws they have that would inhibit them are easily overcome and ignored".

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>>42722258
>>42722184
This isn't even about me having a hateboner for RD, because I've seen Dashfags who agree with me. There are people who like Dash and waifu her that agree with me that she was too perfect in the show and that she needed to actually be challenged more. So don't start trying to dismiss my arguments as me just having a hateboner, when there's plenty of actual Dashfags that would agree with me.

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>>42722258
>le virgin word reader vs the chad picture enjoyer.
kek, why are you so upset at the way somebody studies? Rainbow Dash chose to study with Twilight and not take a nap, play buckball, or molest Scootaloo. That show of maturity is pretty simple character growth.
>how does being too generous stand in the way of opening a boutique as a goal. All you've done is give justifications for having them not move past their flaws.
Hoity Toity wasn't going to give a good review the first time around. Encounter lost. Her friends told her to stop being so generous with listening to their dumb ideas and got a good review on the second try. Encounter won. Reviews are important for business success. Overall balanced writing.
>instant forgiveness bad
Wow TwiShyfag, how did you sit through a show starring 6 Mary Sues and come out a fan?
>You don't need a teacher to teach you a history lesson that can be learned in 5 minutes
She has special needs. Alas, another flaw poor Dashie must overcome.
>there's no reason she couldn't have passed and joined the wonderbolts way back then
But Gregsimp-san, she had to study first.
>>42722448
I'm not a Dashfag, and as a Babsfag I disagree with you and that very dumb Dashfag take.

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>>42722470
>Rainbow Dash chose to study with Twilight
No she didn't, Twilight tricked her into studying, Dash refused
>Hoity Toity wasn't going to give a good review the first time around. Encounter lost. Her friends told her to stop being so generous with listening to their dumb ideas and got a good review on the second try. Encounter won. Reviews are important for business success. Overall balanced writing.
So the moral is Rarity was right from the beginning and every one needed to listen to her? Once again, there is no flaw here being overcome.
>She has special needs. Alas, another flaw poor Dashie must overcome
You mean not overcome because it doesn't actually effect her ability to enter the wonderbolts at all. Rejected because of medical disability? No such thing.
>she had to study first.
You mean be told the answers by everyone else.
> disagree with you and that very dumb Dashfag take.
That's because you don't actually care about the character being the best they could have been. You have shit taste and actual Dashfags wish for better for their main girl.

>>42722495
Twisting words. She tried to study multiple times and failed. Twi helped show her how and now she can study that way when and if she needs to.
>Rara
That's the moral from the m5 perspective. Rarity's is to stick to her vision.
>You mean not overcome because it doesn't actually effect her ability to enter the wonderbolts at all. Rejected because of medical disability? No such thing.
Without her study buddy, her disability would cause her to flunk out of wonderbolts academy.
>be told the answers
Not on the official Wonderbolts test, so no.
>actual Dashfags wish for better for their main girl.
I wouldn't call wishing she was a wagie weather supervisor better or peak taste. It's kinda sad that a dumb fillyfag cares more about her character than some deranged Dashfags that want some fanon AU version of her.

Dashie is amazing anon is just jealous.

>>42722541
Even if you accept that what dashie did was indeed learning and overcoming her obstacle to joining wonderbolts you have to admit that it could be done much better and what this episode did was bare minimum and story where rainbow dash needs to learn patience and focus had much more potential and should have a better plot than what we got, because what we got was a wasted potential.

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>>42723569
>Dashie is amazing
YES

>>42723631
Testing123 seems like it's judged harshly because it being a silly yet relatable academic episode makes it too much like a Twilight story. At the point of s4, Dash had already saved Equestria, saved the Wonderbolts three times, and morally impressed Spitfire twice. There's no way an academic graduation episode was going to one up these expectations without making the final test for Wonderbolthood something nonsensical like learning how to parry a dragon, and then dashfags would complain because she's too awesome for passing that and she should have dropped out of school to become a swashbuckling pirate instead.

>>42724177
I meant that it still could be a normal test but dash learning to learn could be handled with more care like for example episode could mirror Luke leaning to use force with Yoda where when dash would give up, twilight would show her flying skills and how good she got but not because rainbow dash was a good teacher for her or she learned on her own/in her own way but because she didn't gave up and didn't try to find easier way or different way but because she didn't gave up, trusted rainbow dash and sucked it up and (then maybe tank could help Dash understand that she already has the ability to be patient because he's her pet) that would make dash determined to study no matter what and listen to twilight and she would learn to be patient and focused and than she would learn how to learn effectively and she would not only pass the test but this ability to be patient and focused would make her a better pony. I'm just throwing ideas of the top of my head but my point is that this episode could be so much better than it was because to me it was bare minimum and not satisfactory at all.

>>42724233
"Just keep staring at the information until you get it" is the worst boomer advice you can give to somebody that benefits from a different learning approach. When Yoda says "Do. Or do not." Rainbow is still doing the impossible in the way she does it best. Tying some different lesson about patience to her tortoise isn't a bad idea though.

>>42724387
>"Just keep staring at the information until you get it"
Yeah but twilight tried multiple solutions and dahs problem was that she couldn't or didn't wanted to focus (maybe because she didn't take it seriously and was more focused on being mad at the fact that she has to pass a test and episode could tell a story where dash realizes the importance of knowledge even as a wonderbolt) and gave up after first try but maybe then twilight and rainbow could go to Cheerilee and ask her for advice since she's a teacher that has to deal with energetic ponies all the time or fluttershy could try to teach rainbow some meditation or something to keep her calm and focused, there are so many options and i just think that flying and learning from short sketches is just basic and boring solution to this problem and I'm not saying that I have better ideas but rather that there certainly were better ways to tell this story.