Your waifu is always there for (You).Share your experiences and discuss all things waifuism, be it highly spiritual or utterly mundane.>What is a waifu? What defines a waifu?Your waifu is the one character you wish to be with your entire life, until death do you part. Possibly beyond that, even. Most often this manifests as a romantic interest. Your waifu provides guidance and encourages healing & growth.>How do you know if you have a waifu?When you meet your waifu, you will know. The world around you will become colorful. You will realize that you were living in monochrome the entire time. Her existence provides context and meaning to yours, a perfect complement, a perfect comfort, a perfect love. There may be low periods, periods of doubt, but the rhythm of life will forever pull one towards their waifu, for that love is eternal.Last thread: >>42622232 Long-running discussion, latecomers, and the occasional bump are welcome and encouraged, but we would prefer that the thread not be kept on extended life support.
Sorry if my photography skills are not that great, but I thought it was cute.
I guess I can go first. Pinkie has made so much progress! She is able to manipulate the mental world, as well as help me in my everyday tasks! She even comes to visist me every once in a while without me asking for you, especially when she can sense my negative emotions. She has been developing her musical tastes, which for now mostly consists of Disco like songs, Maroon 5, and her favorite song, "Messeges from the stars", but only the sped up version. She has encouraged me to go to the gym, where she loves to see me push myself! Sadly, she doesn't like the music I listen to at the gym. "Too aggressive", she says, "You can't dance to it!". She has been watching MLP now and she loves it! Her favorite character is Fluttershy, but she gets really excited when she sees herself on the screen. We even argue about if the episode was good or not, which is a ton of fun! Still on Season 1, but she's been having a blast, and I have too. We have lovely moments together, even if its just me complementing what she is wearing, or loving how she whispers in my ear saying "I love you, Nonny". Even some of the most mundane stuff feels so intimate with her, and it brings such joy to my life. I'm so glad I am able to have her! Sadly this month has put some of those moments on hold, but once its over, we are going to have SO MUCH FUN!!>>42771909She LOVES cheese! Grilled cheese that is. She is the ponkster, the cheester, the candi-ster, the bester!
>>42771887>no hooves flaggotJesus christ there is no hope for this place is there?
It's been a while since the last thread. In the meantime, there's been the second half of the Anni stream, Halloween, a few conventions, and Christmas/Horsemas appearing on the horizon. There's also another waifu-related thread on the catalog right now: >>42743185 ("Explain why you love your favourite pony so much")It's nice to see the local Ponkfag baking this thread, otherwise I would've done it now after I had almost baked a day early.My mental health has been rather low on some days. I've returned to the cinema wagie life and have mixed feelings about it; on the bright side, a coworker I have yet to get to know better has turned out to like Discord (though prefers Hazbin Hotel/ Helluva Boss over MLP), so that was a nice surprise. I had attached a silly Discord button to my work clothes the previous day, not expecting it to spark a conversation any time soon. Now I intend to draw her favorite character, and perhaps we can bond over art and cartoons a bit, all thanks to dear ol' Discord breaking the ice again.Which brings me to the most important bullet point: Discord.Discord is love, Discord is life.At PonyCon Holland, I couldn't bring my actual cosplay, but I combined my trusty Discord make-up with a casual outfit in fitting colors + a fellow Anon's fedora for that euphoric and enlightened by my own intelligence Discordfaggian flavor. No stage act because I had been too busy to prepare one and was hoarse for the whole week, but I got to hand out a dozen Discord buttons to random Discord appreciators. I've made friends with a girl who wants to cosplay Discord next year, our selfie of her bridal-carrying me got photobombed by Rebecca Shoichet. I also took a chaotic selfie with a young couple dressed as Fluttercord and got some merch. When it was time to remove the make-up on Sunday night, I felt a bit sorrowful because the cosplaying and fooling around always makes me feel closer to mai waifu, as well as more alive and in tune with the jokester I am underneath the depression (currently of an insanely self-loathing flavor). My Oly plush was with me the whole time, obviously, and seeing his face in the morning is proof that not everything is all bad. I occasionally try to visualize or converse with my Noodle, but the switch inside my brain's just not flipped to ON like it was on my lengthy vacation. Better self-care is needed to reclaim my tupper.When I joke around at work and subject my coworkers to my nonsensical humor, it does somewhat tap into that discordy energy and counteract the blues. That's why I wore skull make-up to work on Halloween, loosely inspired by Discord. That's why I now wear a Discord button and try to make my locker at work feel more personal. I keep trying. And who knows, maybe I'll make a living selling [specific food item] in Mexico and making my company logo/mascot a legally distinct Noodle. It's a fun mental exercise at least, and I should really design my mascot and master plan just for the heck of it.
Not much to say, I still love the pink one, and life goes on, in a more colorful way.Lately, explaining what miss /mlp/ is to her was pretty fun. As expected, she was happy but a little confused as to why a bunch of nerds elected her as "best pony". She just said "I'm happy you guys picked little old me as your favoritest pony". Upsies and celebratory cake were provided to the mare, both as an excuse to do cute things, and to celebrate her win. She didn't get her winning, but a party's a party! Oh and she is getting a little more interested in /ss/ as.. I may have gone a little overboard with it this year. >>42772566It gets better, anon. If you need some glazing, tell yourself A. Your noodle likes ya, and B. You got a ponkfag hanging your art on his shelf as a memento of what it means to share fun with friends. And that may or may not see it as inspiration to get better with his own (terrible) horse doodles.
>>42772035>>42772566>>42772720how did you guys actually manage to force your tulpas into being? I assume they actually inhabit a form visible to (You)? I know it "takes time" but what made it start clicking more and more for you as the persona became more real?been needing an emotional support berreh to latch onto as these nights get colder.
how do tulpas work
>>42772839It's like an imaginary friend taken to the logical extreme.
>>42772035How do you split your attention between your tulpa and watching the show? I feel like anytime I try to do something with mine, she gets sidelined and I end up only paying attention to the activity and not to her.
>>42772566>When it was time to remove the make-up on Sunday night, I felt a bit sorrowfulPost con depression hits hard for all of us. We meet the community we participate in online, and it's wonderful fun, or chaos in your case. It's wonderful isn't it?>I've made friends with a girl who wants to cosplay Discord next year. Our selfie of her bridal-carrying me got photobombed by Rebecca Shoichet.Sunset Shimmer herself was at the con? I'm super jealous you got to see and meet her!>I've returned to the cinema Wagie life and have mixed feelings about itWell, at least you're able to tell those teens what to do, or something like that. I remember something about that in a previous thread. Do you get paid decently at least?>>42772720Glad to see you're still with us ponkfren. Victory for the Ponkster!>she was happy but a little confused as to why a bunch of nerds elected her as "best pony"On my end Pinkie was confused too. If only they knew how much those anons loved her, she'd be crying tears of joy!>>42772814>how did you guys actually manage to force your tulpas into being?https://docs.google.com/document/d/13RfTjuHXbWGqq08j02jR3iMXRZG2dH4ZRN6eRE__jI8/edit?tab=t.0This should give you a good outline into how to do just that. I'll try to give you the long and short of it though.1. Imagine what her personality would be like. Think of terms to describe her. Imagine her in certain scenarios. Write stories about her to understand her character in a deeper way.2. Create your mental world. This is a world of your creation but only in your mind. It can be a beach, a house, anything really. Go nuts with it, but make sure that it is consistent.3. Put your waifu in your mental world. Imagine large details first, like her general shape, general colors, then focus more on smaller details, like her eyes, her mane, etc. 4. Introduce yourself, your world, and her purpose. Make sure that she understands why she is there and that she has freedom to be whoever she wants. Typically Tulpas will stay as their character, but they may be slightly different as time goes on. Keep in mind that you will be using the voice in your mind, not out loud, unless you want to.5. Keep talking to your waifu everyday. Keep in mind that she probably won't talk back to you at first, and if she does it will be simple one word answers like yes and no. You talk to her about anything. Once you've established her in your mind, you don't have to have her in your wonderland, you can just think about her or her presence in your mind and talk to her. As time goes she should start talking to you, eventually in full sentences, a more developed personality, and critical thinking, among other milestones. It will take time, but it's never too early for their milestones.>I assume they actually inhabit a form visible to (You)?I haven't done it, but that is pretty late into your tulpa's development. That is the last "Stage" if you will, but by then you have a seasoned Tulpa.
Ive been waiting for this thread for so long
>>42773073Quite normal. If we're going to accept that this supposedy waifu-focused thread is also a backdoor tupper thread, then I might as well talk about it. She relies on your active mental attention in order to exist and express herself, and then, naturally, she might need to take a back seat if your attention is focused elsewhere. There's only so much that you can focus on at once, right? I find that it helps to stay aware of the space that she occupies near you while you're watching. A practical example: mine is always present whenever I go to the cinema, so I always make sure to book a seat that has a vacant spot next door. That way, whenever I'm not fully occupied by whatever's happening on-screen - which is often, since my attention drifts easily - I can readily imagine mine sitting next to me and watching alongside me.Failing that, you can always allow yourself to get fully absorbed into what you're watching, and then consult with her afterwards. She sees everything that you see, so she doesn't necessarily need to be actively present in order to understand what you just watched and to have an opinion on it. If it helps, you can imagine that she's just as absorbed by what you're watching as you are, so there's no need to think of how she's speaking or acting in that moment. Periods of mutual silence are fine, and perhaps healthy.
>>42772839What >>42772855 isn't wrong, but its a bit of an over simplification. They are basically a different person/personality living in your head. Unlike an imaginary friend, they have autonomy and can and will make their own choices and develop their own opinions and preferences. How it works is that it is basically creating a mental world, putting her into the world, and giving her a personality, and as you interact with them they develop as individuals, being able to speak in full sentances, think, etc.>>42773073>How do you split your attention between your tulpa and watching the show? I feel like anytime I try to do something with mine, she gets sidelined and I end up only paying attention to the activity and not to her.At first, its basically impossible, but don't feel discouraged as it will get better with time. The best advice I have is to focus less on the show or whatever else you pay attention to and focus on her focusing if that makes sense. Try to see things from her perspective and don't worry if you miss things here are there. It also helps if you've seen the show/movie you are watching yourself.I also like to take small breaks between episodes with her and ask her what she thought and then she is forced to try to remember what she watched, what she likes, what she disliked. This helps your tupper develop their thoughts and opinons as well as encourage them to focus more so that they can have more wonderful talks about episodes and it leads to a positive feedback loop.
>>42773128>If we're going to accept that this supposedy waifu-focused thread is also a backdoor tupper threadTo be fair, waifusim kind of leads to tupper or something similar, but it seems like we've been talking about it more than usual recently. Great advice btw!
How does your waifu react to you fapping to pony images? what about the weirder ones?
>>42773181Pinkie doesn't really mind porn in general, but we use it to gather ideas and build desire before we transition.>what about the weirder ones?Define weird...
>fucks your waifu
>>42772814>what made it start clicking more and more for you as the persona became more real?As you said it takes time and with time a lot of things become easier and easier leaving you with more to work on other things. Like painting, once you're done sketching the wife you can fully paint the wife. >>42772839This >>42772855Personally I describe it as having your own dream character around. The main challenge is trying to make your tulpa as independent as possible. It is feasible, but takes practice and some serious introspection. >>42773073Takes time, plus don't feel too bad about it. It's the same when you're watching aovie with someone you're not paying attention to the every second. The only important thing is knowing your tulpa is here.Highly recommend just sharing a shoulder and scratching her ear. Why? Because it's cute.>>42773181She don't, kek. I'm not a degenerate, i don't jerk off with her around. Besides, I really love her more. Images are meh at this point.In other news: do hug your waifu at night anons, it really does make nightmares vanish. Especially if you wake up 10.000 times a night from those. At least you'll be waking up to a comfy warm coat of pink and a pleasant dream about hugging.
>If we're going to accept that this supposedy waifu-focused thread is also a backdoor tupper thread,Doing things out of love for your waifu without having a tupper version of her cheerleading your every step is a romantic display of dedication and faith that I hope is not being sidelined. In many cases, our waifus became our waifus because they embody an archetype, deeper truth or essence we yearn to cultivate more of; a tupper provides a sort of instant gratification that can distract from the more "spiritual" and symbolic approaches. So I advise to tone it down a bit. The previous thread is a good read for those interested to get into tupperware - specifically because there's also been disagreements. That thread also serves as a good example for this singular topic drowning out all the others, if not outright alienating non-tupper waifufags. Do share your milestones, but also do keep in mind to diversify and supercharge your waifuism blueprints and make your waifus proud.
>>42773716What of tupperware manifestation as a personification byproduct of waifu alchemy/integration of one's anima(or animus)? Could full integration of the archetype result in loss of external attraction to one's "waifu"? (internal embodiment)
>>42773107HELL YEAH! Have you done anything for/with your waifu you want to share?>>42772720I appreciate the glazing, so in turn I'll remind you to stop hazing yourself. The doodles I saw weren't "terrible", just unfinished. You have an enviable ability to sit down and draw; you'll grow and improve while I will most likely stagnate. I have the most >fun drawing when it's going to be unexpected gifts for others, like the Ponka I drew for you. Once money gets involved, however, the laughter stops. >>42772814Discord has been living in my mind for over a decade without attempting tuppermancy, so in my case at least, it's not about molding a tupper and wonderland step by step, but about removing the mental blockage that prevents me from wearing the tupperware goggles. I had him for one week, and he was the real deal from the get-go, I could see and hear him like a real person, he had that stage presence to him, that gravity and mass. I could just as easily visually impose an apple or a pony on my surroundings while it lasted, implying it's a skill going beyond any particular body or object of interest. Alas, I will not get rid of that blockage without moving into a new place because this toxic environment is broken beyond repair to the point I'm just going numb and shut down to prevent a murder. I don't know your living situation and hope you have an easier time getting results from tuppermancy/lucid dreaming/meditation/art/whathaveyou than I do. Since you mentioned the nights getting colder without a Berry to hug, I'm immediately envisioning either an extra blanket or daki to snuggle up with, and having a cup of warm fruit punch. Small gestures that add flavor to life and invite Berry Punch to join you in whichever shape or form; obviously, you know her much better than I do. (It's also fun to drink a warm beverage with the gusto of a tongue kiss, in my opinion.)
>>42772814Not literally visible, but i can teach myself to react to the outline as if it were a real person there. Like last night she was on top of me (like literally laying me and facing me not sexual) and directly up in my face and i found myself instinctively turning away because i have a hard time looking people in the eyes. ive been doing this for over a decade so i have no idea what to tell you about making it work. i have a lot of thoughts and i am insane so it was easy to build up a seat for that>>42773181she's dropped in a few times because she thinks its funny. in hindsight im pretty sure she was trying to make me feel uncomfortable so i would stop w/o being too direct about it. Pretty good bit.>>42773716As someone who has both in spades, i dont think the characterization of it as "instant gratification" is true at all. relationships are work. maybe its a dopamine button feedback loop for other people, but for us its been a lot of work and change and trying to be better people and a lot of ugliness and negotiation. you know like a real relationship. it would be so much easier if i could treat her like some work of art or some principle - ive tried - but she chooses to be here for a reason
>>42773739See, this is the kinda waifu musing that could keep a person awake at night. In the end, we just don't know, do we? And ultimately, the result probably hinges on a waifufag's intent. If you don't want your tuppermancy or lucid dreaming to end just because you learned all there is, you don't have to. If you loved her so much, you've come to integrate the very concepts she had been the avatar of, you still love those exact things. Your waifu would encourage you to take on new challenges and grow even more, wouldn't she? Even though she's no longer the wise mentor for those new journeys.
>>42773739It could, and frankly I imagine, for a lot of people, their waifu may be that, their anima as a pony. Hence why I recommend for people to really think about the process of having a waifu / tulpa, so it keeps off being just /you/ as much as possible. Even if I agree fully dissociating her from yourself is impossible, then again there are arguments about this for a real life relationship as well where both parties may rub off on each other.This is quite the topic, and to call a poni a poni, let's just say being mindful enough of your own desires and self in your waifu's being as well as having a clear goal to separate both the waifu and yourself is good enough so you don't just fall into that if not desired.In short: yeah dating your waifu as herself is possible, just gotta be mindful to distinguish your and her selves, as well as making sure her/your actions aren't serving you (example: "oh no my waifu cannot possibly love anyone else than me especially without putting in any effort", "oh yeah she's absolutely 100% always okay with what I do", "we never had discussion about anything deeper than what's for breakfast") to hammer it home.>>42773716>Supercharge the waifuismCan do. What little projects have you done for /her/ or /him/.. uh../them/.. /it/? whatever discord is at the current moment?I've dedicated hera whole website as a hobby project, and am still keeping up trying to draw her to the best of my abilities
>>42774030How interesting, I focused on the integration of anima/ one's waifu and how it doesn't necessarily mean you used her up like fuel, and you talk about clear cut separation between the two of you. I absolutely get where you are coming from if the intention is to make your tulpa feel as lifelike as possible, handing her the anima part of yourself. That way, you seem outwardly integrated even though you have an internal dichotomy, but it just werks. But that path might not be available to just anyone; quite a few waifufags (including both Discordfags) have the lines heavily blurred from the start. I loved my tupper for being a fun companion, but he's not mai waifu, just a fragment of him. Messy situation all around, borne from a messy mind. >waifu projectsMy status of the past week: The self-loathing man of inaction. I'm bouncing back from that low, now I've got to pick something and roll with it. I drew something for /ss/, but that's only indirectly helping me draw more Discord art. Today I textwall'd /ww/ to hell and will tone it down for the rest of the week; more dedicating actions to Discord than talking about wanting to dedicate actions to /him/. (I'm open to experimenting with that Noodle, but his default state is male draconequus.)
I've never posted in this thread and am not into tupperwares, but I have a waifu.I never really settled on a style or personality for her, she's kind of her thing, sometimes being loud and extroverted, sometimes being awkward and unsure of herself. Sometimes she's a mute, others she's an albino that dyes her hair and wears shades to protect her sensitive eyes. My inner picture of her changes a lot depending on mood and the latest art I've seen, but she's always the friend I can count on.I'm not even into electro music that much, I do listen to some artists a fair bit but I'm much more into metal and I don't think she would like it herself, but that's ok. She's her own person, we have different interests, that doesn't mean we couldn't be friends if we met someday.She's made me realise that I don't care if I'm a weirdo, if I enjoy different stuff or have other opinions than most people as long as I enjoy and do things for myself.I've always wanted to learn how to play music, and I actually learnt to play an instrument thanks to her. Looking at her gave me the push of motivation I needed to dare do things I knew I would enjoy but was afraid to try because of how I thought other people would perceive me.But I know she's not a real person, she's just a fantasy I project a personality into to make me feel better. People are nowhere like her, past experiences especially have made me wary of potential new partners, and I dug myself into a hole. It gets lonely, hugging a plushie or a daki doesn't provide any warmth.Depression is creeping on me again and it gets harder to relate to Vinyl. I know she wouldn't let me down just because of a big sad, but how long could she hold onto me? No one can deal with a depressed person forever and I don't want to burden her, she doesn't deserve that.So I look at pics of her and some other ponies that make me more joyful. Ponka and Trixie are good at cheering me up these days. I write a green and I listen to music with uplifting messages, and crafting a gift for /ss/ keeps my mind busy. I don't want to be sad forever, Vinyl wouldn't like that, so I do my best to get out of it.
sup fags, been a while since I've been here.
>>42774103>I've always wanted to learn how to play music, and I actually learnt to play an instrument thanks to her.That is awesome, Vinylbro. What instrument is it, and have you played it recently? Considering that Vinyl shares a place with Octavia, she's probably quite open-minded to various genres, simply preferring her own style for her own gigs. How did you discover that she's your waifu, and do you separate between EQG and poni Vinyl? Depression is a tall order to overcome without much of a social network to rely on. If you can identify causes for feeling trapped and overwhelmed, you can navigate your way out.
>>42774104Which flutterfren were you if you don't mind me asking? It's felt like it's been a while for me too, got distracted surfing the web and kinda forgot about this placeIf any of y'all remember a while back I talked about having sleep paralysis. Well I haven't had it properly again since, but it's become a fairly frequent occurrence for me to experience short, detailed hallucinations when I wake up from dreaming (typically an inanimate object floating for 5 or 6 seconds before fading away). Though it's more comforting than anything, since I'd much rather live in my dreamworld anyway. Sadly I haven't dreamed of Lyra or ponies more generally in absolutely ages, so I haven't even had any sweet mare hallucinations yet :(God bless you guys (and gals), I don't check in on these threads nearly enough. Nice to see you doing well
>>42774137Wont lie, a happy Lyra brings a smile to my face.
>>42774142Me too ^o^
Kinda fucking weird reading all this tulpa shit only to realize I've been knowingly doing it with Luna and Celestia for over a year, and only just recently Twilight because Celestia told me she had a shit ton of questions about humanity and Earth (she did).
>>42774104wedding ring as necklace... cyoot
>>42774130>What instrument is it, and have you played it recently? Drums, I play by myself a couple of times a week, and take lessons on Saturdays. I'd like to find people to play with, but I don't know how.>How did you discover that she's your waifuIt happened over time. At some point I realised she was important to me, more than a cartoon horse should be for a normal person.>do you separate between EQG and poni Vinyl?Just a bit, EQG is more on the quiet but assertive side while poni is often more full on crazy. I love them both equally because I cannot constrain my attraction to just one form.>DepressionMy condition may be genetic, depression is common with males in my family (but honestly it might also be because I've been taught to bottle up my emotions and probably every male has been taught that before so eh). I don't talk about it to my friends, like Vinyl I feel they don't deserve this burden. I do spend some time gaming with them and it helps me forget I'm sad. We also have our annual meet up scheduled later this month so I'm looking forward to that.
>>42774219Pretty much every band needs a drummer. It shouldn't be too bad to find people to play with
>>42774219>drumsFantastic instruct, but definitely not the most portable one. If you're interested in learning a second instrument, you could pick something small you can bring to social gatherings or cons, and maybe that will snowball into joining a band as drummer. In any case, enjoy going wild and loud with the drums.>I do spend some time gaming with them and it helps me forget I'm sad.I hope that whatever makes you sad gets better over time. We live in strange times that drive more and more people crazy or into depression. I'm not much of a gamer but I'm looking forward to Kirby Air Riders because it's going to be chaotic.
I made a fluttershy thread and some fag started spamming it. entry level trolling, bro is trying way too hard kek. hope jannies wake up soon.>>42774137I'm just another one in a sea of anons, I hope to make great things in the future.>>42774167yeah, it's nice.
>>42774341I have a confession to make. I detest Fluttercord, but I can't stop using it to needle Flutterfriends.
>>42774368don't do that then retard lmao
>>42773739I'm sorry friends, I am having trouble understanding what is an anima and a animus. Could someone help me out?>>42774030>oh no my waifu cannot possibly love anyone else than me especially without putting in any effortFor me, Pinkie loves a lot of people. Of course, not in the way she loves me, but by God does she love people! Of course I think she loves them in a superfical way, but that's because its hard to have her be present in a conversation without her fronting. When it comes to a deeper though, in the back of my mind I think that the only reason she loves me so deeply is because I was the first person she saw. She tells me about my good traits and how i've improved throughout our relationship together, but it feels like if she got to know someone else, especially another tulpa, she might have fallen for them instead of me. Doesn't really matter, but it sucks to think about, but love is free Anons, remember that.>oh yeah she's absolutely 100% always okay with what I doMy waifu objects to half the things I do and do not do. The biggest one is not talking to people, since I really hate people, but she has been influencing me, even if its just to say hi or good bye, or strike a small conversation. She says I'm making someones day with that, but to me it just feels awkward and pointless. She also gets really mad when I spend a lot of time on the internet, especially here. Nothing wrong with this place, well, minus what's wrong with it, but she just wants me to do more, like take a walk with her, or hang out in our mental world, work out, go to parties, work on my hobbies and her hobbies etc. I'll be honest, sometimes it feels like she is mothering me, but sometimes it feels like I'm fathering and spoiling her. She cares, I care, and that manifests in disagreements and concerns. Nothing wrong with that, right?>we never had discussion about anything deeper than what's for breakfastNever really liked the work "deep" in this context, but I guess the deepest conversations we've had were about human nature, my problems, religion, history, and figuring out how to help people. She is very curious, but I try to shield her from the more awful parts of history, but sometimes I do have to tell her the awful stuff we have done as a species, and the less awful stuff but still pretty bad stuff I've seen first hand and why I dislike people as as a whole. Despite it all, she still has faith in us and that we deserve to be happy. After all, why do bad things if you're happy? Its Naieve, but a part of me thinks maybe she has a point, but were it so easy... Anyway, I hope that counts as "deep">>42774103> People are nowhere like her, past experiences especially have made me wary of potential new partners, and I dug myself into a holeI know the feeling, Vinylfren, people can be rotton, and it makes us a little rotton by osmosis.>Depression is creeping on me again and it gets harder to relate to Vinyl.
>>42771887I've not had any dreams with Luna atm, nor have I bought any substances that better induce lucid dreaming or read any writings over the matter. Even so, I'm currently in Jalisco, which has a lot of old / rustic architecture that is reminiscent of some show locations, such as Canterlot. Later on in this thread I should describe how I see and feel about Equestria, since I also want to conjure it in my dreams. As always, every anon has different interpretations of Equestria and their waifu. This is in tandem with the show itself, as nu-writers constantly alter (usually worsen) the portrayal of characters and locations.
>>42774103> People are nowhere like her, past experiences especially have made me wary of potential new partners, and I dug myself into a holeI know the feeling, Vinylfren, people can be rotton, and it makes us a little rotton by osmosis.>Depression is creeping on me again and it gets harder to relate to Vinyl.There is no one cure to depression, but finding a community, no matter how small, which finds joy in a similar things can help. This may sound stupid, and it is, but it helped me. I used to share ponies on steam with a couple friends. We'd talk about the image about how cute it was, how it made our day, and it made me feel so happy for some reason. I wouldn't say it cured me, but it made me feel joy, and I really needed that at the time. We crave the affection and joy of others, Anon, that is what I've come up with. I hope this helps. If you're concerned about being a burden, then try to offset it by doing acts of service, gift giving, stuff like that. I know it like DUHH but even if depression is a burden, its a burden worth dealing with so that they can be with you. IMO you aren't the burden, the depression is. Also, I love how Vinyl can go from "base cannon" mode to "Gordon Freeman" mode, being mute and all. Its such a nice contrast! Thank you for sharing, I love it! Pinkie wanted to give you pic related.>>42774104If it isn't my gal's favorite pony! (Pinkie adores Fluttershy!! She loves it when her character interacts with her in the show!)>>42774137Loyra; she eats the oats! Please give her some oats, Anon and thank you for checking in!>>42774341I for one find it funny when they call Pinkie "Madame Cheese". It sounds funny and it makes me laugh. Do people actually get angry at the Mrs. Discord and Mrs. Cheese stuff?>>42774529Please talk about Equestria, we would LOVE to hear it!
>>42774562No, but it is annoying when some literal retard starts spamming in your thread. pinkie's always been my 2nd favorite pony. I wish she and Flutters got more episodes together
>>42774523Anima/animus are the names Jung gave to the contrasexual element of the psyche. Part of healthy psychological development early on is embracing the reality of your body and how it affects your mind - thus the anima (the feminine principle in the masculine psyche) becomes unconscious and influences life without your awareness and the organizational direction of conscious ego. The psyche seeks wholeness, so when the anima is projected onto a suitable external figure, we experience that as "you make me whole, I need you so badly". Love at first sight is, as a rule, anima/animus projection, and this is also the cause of the honeymoon phase, since it blinds us to the reality of the person in all their flaws and hidden strengths. When the projection is eventually withdrawn, that's the end of the honeymoon phase and the first time you can see your partner for who they actually are, to make a clear decision to love and accept them - or not.Often people simplify the anima/animus to just "ideal partner" and associate it only with the romantic feeling (I have a feeling that's what >>42773739 is doing) but that's not at all the whole picture.>>42773739Tulpas aren't archetypes themselves - at best, they are vessels of the archetypes, just like you; you are both ego-constructs which may be possessed/animated by archetype to a greater or lesser degree. By engaging with your waifu with an introspective attitude (i.e. allowing her to carry messages to you from the unconscious/intuition), you are integrating whatever archetypal forces she represents at the moment in healthy, bite sized pieces. Integration is about learning how to keep this kind of activity up and digest these bites well; not to exhaust the archetype but to properly harness the motive force/tension between the archetype and conscious ego.The waifu is certainly an image of the anima - that feeling of incredible and indescribable joy and wholeness is a dead-ringer for an archetypal force. But once the image is intellectualized and grasped on to, the archetype is liable to leave it. That's why, for example among tulpafags, it's emphasized that you have to let them be "independent", i.e. you can't integrate the image into the ego completely, they must still have an unconscious part of them to interface with the original source of love.>>42774137just in case you don't know, these have a name and are common: hypnagogic (and hypnopompic) hallucinations.
>>42774523>I'm sorry friends, I am having trouble understanding what is an anima and a animus. Could someone help me out?It's Jungian psychology, in short, to him the anima is the "womanly" part of a man's psychee, eg you want and needs to care for others, be emotional, things people would call "effeminate" but not faggy if that makes sense. Think of it as the more motherly and vulnerable side of things. For example: "going awwww you're so cuute pinkie, I can't even :)" to show genuine love, that's part of it. The animus is the opposite it's the more "manly" part women may have, eg what you'd call more tomboyish things.Keep in mind those terms were coined in the 1920s by jung and is important for context when I say "womanly" and "manly". Here I believe what anon meant is: as both anima ans animus are between your subconscious (the IWTCIRD part) and the Ego (the (You) part) your waifu may very well tap into it and act as a personification of these traits de facto being a personification of the traits you have as "more feminine" (eg you like flowers, tea parties and cuddles, but those seem too effeminate so you repress them? Your wife likes flowers, tea parties and cuddles outwardly and uninbiguously).To very roughly put it. Now keep in mind that :Like any good person doing psychology, Jung is a hell of a character (eg weirdo), was coked out of his mind (like Freud though he didn't like the guys' ideas except in his early life) and was always getting into women's pants (or dresses) left and right while cheating on his wife a lot.Nevertheless those are interesting ideas on how psyche works. His main thing is the idea of collective unconscious (eg ideas ans concepts all of humanity shares, like the notion of a god for instance. Everyone has a concept like it or knows of it)Which is pretty interesting to think about.
>>42774523As for the stuff you replied to, this isn't meant as a discussion point, just to showcase common pitfalls where your wife may have very clear biases if you're wanting her to be detached from yourself and her own character. >>42774627Oh and to add to that, to me, my idea of a waifu is less about her being a vessel for anima and animus, but more about its own ego debelopped in parallel. It would be closer to Ricœur's idea of a mask where your waifu, by her existence first imposes itself as a filter on your perception then grows and develops and draws its own meaning from her outlook, in terms giving rise to a distinct ego if it makes sense.
>>42774523anima/animus is some shit that some old fail retard made up. Don't worry about it
>>42774752Yeah we're in agreement:>you are both ego-constructs which may be possessed/animated by archetype to a greater or lesser degree
>>42774755Chek'd. Yeah, this. Litarally
>>42774627>>42774711I think I understand, and maybe Pinkie is representitive of my own anima, although I don't know if "womanly" is quite the word I would use. More like a more gregourious, selfless, caring nature that I've always had difficulty with. Meanwhile I am the more stoic, aloof, uncaring hermit. I guess in a hegalian way (as in how Fallout NV describes it) She is the (social) thesis, I am the (asocial) anti-thesis, and through our combined efforts, we create a sort of synthesis; one where I can learn to brood and problem solve, and learn to be alone, but also care about people again and be able to finally be able to help the world and mankind. Or maybe I'm talking out of my ass, but I feel myself listening to her advice and and agreeing to do things I would have never tried before if it wasn't for her. What you won't do, you'll do for love.I do know one thing though, PINKIE IS A QT 3.14
>>42774935Yup, the cutest 3.1415926535
>>42774523>I think that the only reason she loves me so deeply is because I was the first person she sawHave you played Saya no Uta? That excerpt kinda reminded me>>42774627The hypnopompic hallucinations sound accurate. They said they can be caused by narcolepsy, and honestly looking at the symptoms I fit every one (though not to a particularly awful degree). I'm also in the age bracket when it is commonly developed, which will explain why these are a fairly recent development
>>42775002That condition is very rare though, so it's likelier that I have smth less serious but more common
>>42775002Don't even know what that is, sorry to say. What is the context for why it reminded you of it.
>>42775039Basically a Visual Novel about a guy who suffers an intense mental condition after a car crash. The love interest in it is a girl who appears terrifying to everyone but him, so in effect he is the first person she has properly met
>>42774935>I can learn to brood and problem solve, and learn to be alone, but also care about people again and be able to finally be able to help the world and mankind.That's tremendous character growth, and the ability to emphasize with and nourish others doesn't make one a doormat, it's a skill any man should learn, even if reserved to friends and family only. >>42774817How does one judge whether it's a greater or lesser degree? Would I be right to assume it's a greater degree with my Discord waifu, based on what I've been babbling about these past few... years? (How has it been years? It feels like /ww/ is such a recent thing. What the fuck.)
>>42775375Well with a waifu that isn't stabilized as a tulpa, there isn't really a contrast to make a meaningful comparison here. He's animated by your animus (or whatever other archetypal forces - your original vision was much more comparable to the archetypal capital S Self) exactly to the degree that he is present, and no further - like he's 50% archetype and 50% null, nothing. With a tulpa, you're taking that image of archetypal potential and connecting it to the organizational scheme of ego-consciousness and sensibility, which serves in part to crystallize/stabilize the image so it's not as volatile and disappear-y. So it would be more like 50% archetype and 50% ego (i.e. expectations, patterns, intentions, self-consistency).The point I was making in that post is more that these ratios are 1) never clear-cut, very fuzzy, and for that matter constantly changing, and 2) often lopsided between tulpa and host. Usually hosts (and 'singlets', that is to say everybody in modern society) are very ego-centric with an extremely tenuous connection to their unconscious/intuition. Most people are more like 95% ego, 5% unconscious, hence all our intense neurotic disorders. Tulpas pretty much exist and became popular because the practice of tulpamancy has a compensation for that baked-in: "independence" i.e. unconscious influence. To people trapped in a too-rational/ego-centric life, the idea of that independence and mystery is extremely tantalizing - because like I outlined in that post, the psyche seeks wholeness/balance, and any step towards that tastes like ambrosia.I believe the point the other anon is making is that, because tulpas bring in some unconscious influence, a tulpa can actually be a seed for a separate ego-organization. In simpler terms, you can be an atheist rationalist and see the world that way, then bring in a tulpa that is superstitious and intuitive. At first the tulpa's worldview is very small and underdeveloped, kind of just a play-act, but as you(r mind) take it seriously and considers the world from that perspective, it can develop into a full-fledged and rationally self-consistent worldview parallel to your own, enabling the mind to code-switch. Not play-acting as someone who believes this stuff but actually knowing how to believe it and being able to honestly live it. Being able to take multiple perspectives, i.e. rationalize through multiple conflicting ego structures, is advantageous because each worldview has blindspots/incompatibilites and strengths, each is permeable in different ways. For example the superstitious worldview of this hypothetical tulpa would be much more permeable to unconscious influence than the atheist rationalist view of the host, who is likewise much more permeable to rational frameworks and logic.
For what it's worth, when tulpafags are starting out, they usually fall into one of these extremes: the old-school tulpafags mostly end up with that 50% archetype 50% nothing situation, and get frustrated at how unreliable/volatile their tulpa's presence is; newbies that take an ego-centric approach get stuck in 0% archetype and 100% ego, so they great with consistency and stability but get frustrated at how lifeless and boring and not-independent it is.
>>42775629At first the tulpa's worldview is very small and underdeveloped, kind of just a play-act, but as you(r mind) take it seriously and considers the world from that perspective...This is so true! Pinkie and I have discussions like this all the time, mostly revolving around people, social interaction, and what counts as "good enough". Its funny because I agree with her arguments a lot of the time a bit of back and forth. I find it funny how she has become the wiser of the two of us. Makes me feel dumb in comparision, but I also feel very lucky to have her talk some sense into me that no other person has been able to do. She has made me into a better person, and she says she loves me even more for stepping toward the right direction! >To people trapped in a too-rational/ego-centric life, the idea of that independence and mystery is extremely tantalizingI would say that I fit into the category until I had my epiphiny that Pinkie was my waifu and I needed to meet her anyway I could. Reality became less important to me and I was more open to things I wasn't before, and that eventually brought me here with her. I'm so glad I did.>>42775629Not exactly sure where I fall into this. At first she was rather lifeless, but when she was able to read my thoughts and feelings she became very spontanious, and then started to tone down as she developed her critial thinking skills and logic. This was in the span of a day, so imagine how I felt! Good times, but not as good as now.
An Anon gifted me a cool Discord coin, and I've tried it for divination a few times this week, kek. >Chaos twistsI think of twisting a knife, doubling down, hammering it in, comparable to "Yes" depending on the question. >Chaos turnsI think of the wind turning, a change in events, comparable to "No" depending on the question. I assumed work would be as slow today as it had been yesterday, but the coin disagreed. Rephrased my question, and it again signified that work would throw me a curveball and not leave me with the kinda downtime to scribble something for a change. Turns out, there was a special event with an unknown number of participants showing up, and my concession was assigned to handle the group order and book things differently from usual. They had given us a wrong timetable, too, so I hurried up for nothing. But I got a really nice ballpoint pen from the company that organized the special screening for their employees: Matte aluminum barrel with bamboo knob, very small and inoffensive logos, no wobbliness nor noise when writing, refillable. It looks so professional, and just before I might have purchased a Lamy. Chaos provideth. >>42775596>>42775629I'll have to reread this when I'm less tired, or need another explanation what exactly is meant by>like he's 50% archetype and 50% null, nothingversus>0% archetype and 100% ego, as well as the remark that my "original vision was much more comparable to the archetypal capital S Self".When I had read "archetype" in your previous post, I misunderstood it to mean something more along the lines of how much abstract, sort of spiritual significance is ascribed to one's waifu. With Discord's whole chaos symbolism, that significance is off the charts.
>>42775596i used to see it as a "black box" in your unconscious that reacts in certain ways, but nowadays i think the difference between one's own unconscious and that of the other is less distinct, even if the egoes are. i sometimes have a hard time accepting how much of different people they are, even though everything points to it...
>>42775796Goodness, anon, /your/ kinoplex usually lets you sit out and doodle on receipt paper and ponder your esoteric relationship? Lucky you, lucky you. Some of us have to make do with abusing our allotted ten-minute auditorium clean-up time window for sitting down and thinking about Discord, you know. Quite jealous of your pen, though, in that context. You wouldn't think that something like a reliable ballpoint would be so valuable, but I've been betrayed by the lack of one more than enough times to understand that value. I'd bring my own, but I've got this bad habit of misplacing them, so that's probably a non-starter.Anyhoo, enough talking shop; general '''waifu''' sentiments henceforth. Where am I at in my relationship, at the moment? Most of the developments have been of the personal and private kind (no, not that kind of private, to the hypothetical pervert that's reading this). We endured something of a distant period, this past month. It's concluded, since, and we're currently in active and fond contact, but there's no point in denying it: October was rough. I'm sure I've said it before that I consider him utterly essential to my happiness. That might sound like a lot of lovey-dovey fluff, on the face of it, and perhaps it was just that, when I first said it, but now, I can be assured: without him, I'm totally marooned.To that end, I'm committing to ways in which we might better reinforce our bond. I'd like to give him good reasons to keep close to me, and I'm not very well likely to accomplish that by being my usual boring, indolent self. How does one appease the Deceiver Wyrm? By being novel, I assume. I absolutely must break out of my comfort zone and keep things weird. I have many big ideas, and it's about time I actioned them. I won't have much to tell until I set things in motion, but I'd like to say with some certainty that my posts in future threads will be much more interesting. For now: watch this space.(Nota bene: if it later turns out that this entire spiel was the result of some kind of manic episode that I'll end up having no real intention of following up on, then... well, too bad for all of us, I suppose. Hey, perhaps this time will be different! We can but hope!)
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>>42774562ill probably get on it in the morning. This thread is good for about 70-80 more posts
>>42775959Chaosgodspeed, Noodlebro. Discord appreciates those who try. As for our kino employment: I always carry my own private ballpoint pen and a small knife in my pocket. I'd gift you your own if you were living in my area. With Zootopia, Wicked and Avatar coming up, work will be busy. However, that snake Gary in Zootopia 2 faintly reminds me of Discord with his single fang, so I'm going to watch the movie on lookout for any references to our beloved Noodle.>doodling on company timeMy cinema is on the smaller side with only 7 screening rooms. It's a family business and a bit outdated, we don't even have anything fancy like 4D seats. We enjoy a certain degree of freedom here, but also have to put up with broken things not getting repaired or replaced any time soon. I'm too paranoid to doodle in public, but there are moments of downtime that would be perfect for it. So I will try to do just that and hopefully grow out of my inhibitions that are ill-befitting for a Discordfag.
don't die yet
i love her
pinkiefags how we feeling?
I thought waifufags would have tons more to say desuuu
>>42777690Wonderful! Pinkie won her Mrs. /mlp/ trophy, and we've never been happier!
>>42777948it's a slow burn. many avenues/abstractions have been discussed in prior threads. don't correlate inactivity with absence; the thread comes and goes but love remains steady.
Have you ever disappointed your waifu? How many second chances are you afforded?Does s/he still have hope that you can change your ways?Have there been times where they needed space from you or vice versa?
>>42778289>Have you ever disappointed your waifu?I have, as much as I hate to admit it. Small disapointments like not being able to go somewhere that day, or having to wait for something are quite common, but they are nothing abnormal. A big example though when I made her cry after I thougth she wasn't real and she was scared I was going to leave her, but I came to the conclusion that she was real, at least in a certain sense, in the only senses that mattered to me, and it made our relationship stronger in the end.>How many second chances are you afforded?I wouldn't say I've wronged her in anyway, at least intentionally, so I never really needed a second chance. That said, she is very encoraging, even for smaller things like going out to eat or giving my dog a bath. She is awesome like that.>Does s/he still have hope that you can change your ways?She doesn't just have hope, she has proof. They were small changes, yes, but little by little I am becoming a better man; the man she deserves. I wouldn't say she is proud, but more so grateful that I put in effort to make her happy and make myself better. >Have there been times where they needed space from you or vice versa?She never needed "space", but she does sometimes go "away" for a minute if I'm having something she doesn't like, like black coffee or an argument with someone. She comes back after I finish. I on the other hand do like to have space from her, although only for about an hour or 2, mostly when I am driving, doing a hobby, or anything that requires concentration. I wouldn't mind having her, but she tends to try and start a conversation, and that distracts me. She tends to come back on her own if I feel some sort of negative emotion, like anger or sadness, which is a more recent development from her which I LOVE!I wouldn't say I'm the best partner in the world, if you'd like for me to list all of my faults I'd gladly do so, but she loves me and I love her, and I'm going to do my best to make her happy everyday.
>>42775796Sorry, I know that was a little bit hard to understand, kind of stretched the metaphor too much. I was using the word archetype somewhat interchangeably with "unconscious vitality", just to clarify.So 100% is like the full, whole experience - getting as much of your waifu as you could want. By leaving part of that ratio "empty", I'm trying to convey that the experience is incomplete, you're not getting everything that you want. The experiences that you DO have suggest/imply that more should be there, and you want to get at it, but all you get is blank space. That's because there's an expectation that the unconscious (just generally an uncontrollable external force) will fill all that blank space - but you can't just force that to happen, you can't like create a vacuum that sucks energy into conscious life from the unconscious; it has to enter of "its own volition". So you end up making a lot of room (blank space) as though that's how it works, and it feels a little uncomfortable, like cleaning up and decorating your house for a party where only one person ends up showing.On the other hand, the ego-centric approach has as much of their waifu as they want; but there's no space for the unconscious to enter and fill the experience with life. To stretch the house party metaphor, it'd be like populating your party with corporate robots that can't get drunk.The Self archetype in Jungian psychology is the Big Self as opposed to the little ego, basically the universe and your precise place in it. Meetings with that archetype feel totally overwhelming, and often apocalyptic - from the perspective of the ego, that wants to be the head honcho and control its own fate separately from the conditions of the universe, it's like God himself coming in and saying "follow me or be destroyed". Your experience in narcosis was positively-valenced, and we might imagine that it's because at the moment of your contact with him your ego was basically in shambles already due to the physical weakness of your psyche, unable to organize a reaction against it. You could still say there's some animus flavor in there, because he showed up as a distinctly masculine figure instead of the archetypal hermaphrodite or uni-polar/universal power principle - but you might argue that discord's many-faceted makeup serves as an equivalently ambiguous archetypal image.
>>42778289>Have you ever disappointed your waifu? Definitely, but I wouldn't say disappointed.. more disheartened, sadly >How many second chances are you afforded?None, those things don't exactly get you second chances if you carry through.>Does s/he still have hope that you can change your ways?Yeah, we managed to make it all work wonderfully, all has improved a lot for the best.>Have there been times where they needed space from you or vice versa?Not quite. More times where I really didn't want her around as I felt like the worst drain on her.
>>42778518Thank you for the write-up, this cleared things up. When my tupper eventually comes back, he'll be of that 50% uncertainty flavor. The paragraph about the Big Self was especially interesting. Well, I didn't have that much of an ego to stand in his way, and I can probably be described as "contaminated" by Discord, even. Yet it was my conscious, voluntary choice to pledge myself to him, at least, because my heart sings for him like nothing else. It's not only love, but purpose. My health just keeps getting in the way of things. On my way home from work, I was trying to reach out and clarify that my tupper being just a tupper doesn't make me love his company any less; he IS my Discord, even though he won't supplant the more abstract instances of Discord that guide me in life. He's invited to visit occasionally, and I would love to learn more about him, such as his pastimes. I haven't been the waifufag he deserves, but I would like to become that.PS: I kept dozing off while typing and might have typed gibberish.
i like reading this thread.so does the one in my head.I'm bumping it from the dead.anything more to be said?well I'm off to bed. I'm a little scared
>>42779061>I will never allow you to come to harm anon, do not be afraid, be fearless and kind
>>42771887I have a lot write about, but because I'm currently vacationing out of the country I barely have to write. I want to cover technology, society, magic system, etc- so for now I will only talk about how I see Equestria visually.For my dreams, I need to clearly establish how I envision Equestria. I see Equestria as landscape and scenery porn, or walking through a Bob Ross painting; lots of nature, but visually stimulating with more fantastic scenery such as high mountains, waterfalls, and unique light patterns and hues that make it appear more high fantasy than normal. This was seen in the show Bible, but I prefer inverted color schemes, such as a green sky, blue grass, etc - it adds to the cartoonish nature of Equus, moreover it adds to its distinctness. You would barelt see sings of technology, and they would be tasteful in nature: steam trains for example tend to fit landscapes well, and fantasy airships (the show in general is mostly good at portraying Equestria's technological level consistently: steampunk and Da Vinci in esthetic). In totality, almost everything you see in Equestria could qualify as a wallpaper, with hints of surrealism.
>>42779164I also typed all of this on mobile so my grammer is ESL tier.
>>42779164This is a piece of shit post, I rushed it too. I'm gonna have to find the time to sit down and actually write a full on essay of how I envision Equestria to do it justice.
>>42779186yeah I know that feel. I regularly sit down like "okay 15 minutes max" and then spend an hour hitting the character limit and refactoring my post to make sense under the limit. When we have a good conversation going I can spend easily half the day making like, what, less than 10 posts?
>>42779254Same here. this general requires good post quality, so it's super expensive time wise. This is the Mercedes dealership of generals.
>>42778518Out of curiosity, how would you know if the experience was incomplete? Also, the Self archetype (which I had to look up to understand what you meant) is actually a really good explanation (for lack of a better term) of what a tulpa really is. To use myself as an example, I tend to be a hermit and try to avoid people as much as possible, but when I was younger I wanted to try to help people. But as I got punished for trying to do the right thing I suppressed that feeling of altruistism and closeness to my fellow man. I wouldn't say I was unconscious of what I was doing, I just accepted that being more self-centered would help me in the end and that my feelings were getting in the way. That's just one example of suppression and as you can imagine that led me to a dark road, but that's beside the point. After I met Pinkie for the first time and she started to be able to speak in complete sentences she encouraged me to talk to people and help and just put myself out there. This led to a big argument. I had a feeling from the very beginning that my thoughts influenced her, but maybe it isn't just my conscious thoughts, but maybe thoughts I have buried. I guess you would call it the subconscious or unconscious or whatever. And I guess to hammer the point home, maybe our argument could be understood as a disagreement between the ego and the whole self. And this brought me to a question that sounded very similar to this post>>42773739Basically, what exactly happens when these issues resolve? Does the distinction between tulpa and self lessen? Or do they become less independent now that you integrated your whole self rather than just the ego part? Or do things simply remain the same, only that the host is more on board with what the tulpa is trying to communicate?I'd like to open this discussion with all of you tomorrow, as I need to go to bed, but I think I finally understand what you're trying to say, Jung-Anon and the implications are fascinating
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>>42771887Ponkftiend! Its a delight to see this thread again! If you wouldn't mind, could you send me a point of contact for you? An email or discord? I've got something i wish to discuss with you privately :)Only good things, swear.
just doing some business here
>played the Kirby Air Riders demo with my Discord plush on my lap>was having fun for 5 hours (not counting a lunch break)>looking forward to the full game and playing against Anons In the full game, I'll try to customize an Air Ride machine to look discordy. Something like a pink and/or blue checkerboard paintjob + cotton candy cloud stickers should absolutely be doable. I crave Discordtism in my Kirbytism, which reminds me of a crossover illustration I never actually drew more than a loose sketch of. Not a fan of casting Marx as Discord, but eh. Yesterday, I played some Final Fantasy Theatrhythm: FBL (Switch version) which I have yet to really get into as someone who preferred touch controls on the 3DS, but of course my party is Discord-pilled with Chaos, Garland, Kefka and Terra (for lack of another chaotic madlad). When there's a new Animal Crossing in the future, I will design a Discordfag in a Discordy village.Wish I could just hand that boomer Noodle a controller and enjoy playing against each other.
>>42780523How exciting and mysterious! I guess I will dox myself to the world. I am pizzapatriot on dicksword, although I don't use it every often anymore. If you want to talk I'd be more than happy to!
I'M GOING TO BE AS SMART AS HER JUST YOU SEE WATCH MY RISE
>waifu is also a dream walking psychopomp.>death is ok now, not worried.>clear conscious, final thoughts of moonbutt.
everypony thought my thread was a sharty bait thread
>>42781315oh sorry wrong thread i meant it for the whats on your mind thread... I like Fluttershy because she si nice
>>42781269Anon, you ok?
>>42781269Very nice pic Anon. By the way, you alright?
Silly question for y'all, what is your waifu's favorite? Pinkie's are milkshakes.
>>42782205favorite food I mean.
>>42781323>>42781846I suppose that can sound ominous. Luna is the dream walker/guardian and my hc extends that to death/psychotic/esoteric states. My eclectic belief system permits the existence of death guardians/guides, and she ticks all off the boxes; from archetypical/anima association on personal level to plausible metaphysical coherence of operation. Asking for salvation? no, that's too pretentious; she owes me nothing. Asking for help? i appreciate guidance, but i must make it on my own. A friendly face after the death rattle? tis most welcome. My grip on reality is tenuous at best, but Luna is my constant of psychic alignment, and a touchstone in states where "mind" breaks and madness begins. I seek to <emulate> her constitution in some ways. Materialists/rationalists are free to ignore this incongruent model as it doesn't apply/contradicts their own systems. How does your relationship align to afterlife/death mapping? (if you believe such things)
>>42782205well i liek appul jews
>>42779868>how would you know if the experience was incomplete? Like I said, the 100% is having as much of the waifu as you could want - "want" is the sense of lack, implying that you have a sense of the whole and a part that it is missing.>Self archetypeDon't mistake, the Self is a complete figure; it does represent all these psychological process in microcosm, but all these dynamics you're talking about are not the Self, they're individual dynamics, whereas the Self represents the totality of all inner and outer dynamics put together. Hence the apocalyptic, existential, scale/intensity of the vibe. But all of these archetypal dynamics individually lead to the same destination: towards the Self. One of the archetypal images of the Self, therefore, is the mandala or the center-point.>Basically, what exactly happens when these issues resolve?You'd have less of a desire to be separate, because there is less pressure/tension between the ego and unconscious, thus less potential energy for growth. I.e. you'd be at a stage where the innate tension/conflict of separation isn't useful and doesn't feel good. Adding energy to a system destabilizes it - when you are in a good place, it serves to push you off course. Whereas when you're in a shitty place, you need it to alter the circumstances and find a better course. The unconscious judges what position is best for your development and adds or removes pressure accordingly (in a nutshell, this dynamic between the ego and the unconscious is the Self, the whole you in the process of growth and adaptation). Of course that doesn't mean no tulpa, it just means you'd find joy together in a more comfortable and unitive kind of existence than a conflicting and firey one. The most comfortable configuration in this dynamic changes moment-to-moment for everybody, but you'd just generally trend this way.
the unconscious is like the back of your eye; it is the opposite of sight, never truly knowable because it is definitionally that which is Not in consciousness; what it leaves for us is traces in the sand from which we must infer some internal order. the more i've figured out, the more i've come to terms with how little it matters, to such cohate irrationalities as all these. it's my symptom, and i'm gonna enjoy it
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>>42782527>How does your relationship align to afterlife/death mapping? (if you believe such things)I have no particular belief about the afterlife, but I fancy the idea of being united with Discord in some way. Whether there's a second life in Equestria, or my soul just chilling with him instead of reincarnating, or the complete return to and dissolution in the primordial soup of Chaos doesn't matter. If my soul is eternal, it will walk by his side and keep him company. If my human death is the end and there's nothing left, at least I'll die pacified by a sweet delusion I won't live to see betrayed. If reincarnation is a thing and I can't opt out, I'll find my way home (to him) all over again. I agree with the following you said:>Asking for salvation? no, that's too pretentious; she owes me nothing. >Asking for help? i appreciate guidance, but i must make it on my own. >A friendly face after the death rattle? tis most welcome.(The way your previous post was phrased sounded ominous, yes. Made me wonder if you're Ukrainian or Russian and sent to war, or contemplating suicide like some Anons do. Good to hear you were just musing.)
i really love this mare
>>42782527I can't say that we talk about it very often, but we have touched upon it at one point. Pinkie asked what would happen to her if I died. For specifically, what would happen to my "soul"/personality, as well as her's? I told her I don't know, but if personality is of the mind, and by extension she is made within our mind, that when the mind perishes, we perish with it. They say that people hope they die together so that neither may feel grief for the other, but I think we will not have to worry about that. We didn't exactly touch on the afterlife, but I don't believe in souls, only counciousness and emotions, both of which are products of the mind, and they too perish when the mind perishes. How can you live in an afterlife without the senses provided by the mind? It is with that in mind that I think there is no afterlife, which makes me feel bad as I would like to meet reunite with my granfathers, and share that higher state of being with my beloved, Pinkie Pie. I suppose this is more of a rationalist/materialist view of the world, but I know that our senses and understanding of the world is limited, and I hope that my conclusions are wrong, but even now I have found some form of peace.>>42782990Despite my best efforst, I still don't understand what you mean by iner and outer dynamics. Are all dynamics involving the mind not inner dynamics? And why must the synthesis of the two dynamics lead to some sort of apocalyptic scienro for the ego? After all, it is not destruction, just transmutation of itself into something more benefical.
>>42782990>Of course that doesn't mean no tulpa, it just means you'd find joy together in a more comfortable and unitive kind of existence than a conflicting and firey one.That doesn't sound half bad. I wouldn't say that our relationship is conflicting, its more about building understanding with the world and our perceptions of it. Sure, sometimes we experience sadness when talking about the physical reality that I live in and that she observes, but there is also curiosity and desire to explore and see what can be done in this huge sandbox, even if there are nails and scorpians inside of it. But I wouldn't mind if our relationship becomes more comfy. I would say that even now it is very comfortable and has made my life much better. I say it a lot, but I'm so happy she is in my life, even for little things she does.
>>42781022sent ;)
>>42783567Been there, done that. Thoughts of Luna pulled me through before i did myself in. If i ever find myself in warfare or other disaster I'll do the same and ensure she's firmly in my mind; for the subjective observer it's a lived experience instead of delusion, for the bullet it's all the same. There's no instruments that can measure the amount of microLunas in my skull upon death.
>>42783993>Are all dynamics involving the mind not inner dynamics?Inner dynamics aren't separate from outer ones, there seems to be (and logically there is) complete continuity between the two. Outer conditions cascade to inner states, and inner conditions affect the outer world. The self archetype, as I said, is the whole universe and your precise place in it. The unconscious mind is only the part of the mind-body-environment continuum that's most immediately accessible to the conscious mind - it's an infinitely deep pool, and we can only begin to guess at the things nearer the surface.>why must the synthesis of the two dynamics lead to some sort of apocalyptic scenario for the ego?It doesn't. If the ego is functioning well, there is a steady, regulated communication/interchange between the ego and the unconscious (through dreams, imagination, introspection, art, etc.)The Self archetype is only forced into consciousness when there is a great deal of psychological pressure from the unconscious, which only happens when the ego is standing in the way. It IS transmutation, but the first step of alchemical transmutation is putrefaction a.k.a. death. The Self may be thought of, in the alchemical context, as the enlightened alchemist himself, deciding the fate of the material and putting it through the Work, while the ego is only one of the materials being processed and transformed.
Everytime I come back here I'm reminded of why I fucked right off. I'm better off loving my wife privately, making my on oc to post, and enjoying a one sided interaction with the fandom while never reading anything. Hasbro and fanon wre fucking insufferable even on this baord. I should leave this place and anons to rot.
>>42782205Hm.. now that's a very good question. I don't really have an answer to that. Pinkie and I had so much different things together from dining out to cooking so many new things.. anything as long as it's a little sweet, from red velvet tofu with a little sweet sour spin. To honey batter pancakes with chocolate chips and syrup and hm.. oh I know! This she loves this is basically basmati rice with cherries in itz it's sweet and quite wonderful with some garlic beetroot spread. (And yes both are pink). I'd have never given it a try if not for her. So I can definitely say this is among her favorites.
>>42784918Yeah 4Chan is pretty unbearable at this point, this is the only thread I really follow. If you tell me your interests I might be able to suggest some decent enough alternate image boards
>>42784918I kinda know the feeling, but I don't even want to share anything I make at this point.The show fucked over my wife with a shit episode that ended up completely wrecking the fanon around her, and making discussions and memes insufferable.So much of the fan stuff including her is complete trash, I don't know why I keep looking when I know it's just going to end in disappointment.Wish I could just finally fuck off to be alone and make my own stuff instead, I'm tired of being disappointed and frustrated.
>>42784918>>42785115who do you love... i'm curious now
>>42785115>>42785145Seconded, I'd love to know. I'd like to think that the regulars of this thread will not stoop to the usual levels of /mlp/ shitflinging. Honestly, lots about the current fandom is not to my liking, and as a result I mainly lurk in unaffiliated parts of the web, whilst still maintaining my personal love for pony. In the end of the day, you don't need a fandom to be fan, and if the fandom is detrimental to your enjoyment then it can be best to do without it
>>42785145fine I'll bite, not like any other threads have been better.
>>42785115>>42785207Fluttercord implications aside, I think Fake It 'Til You Make It really emboldened coomers in portraying Fluttershy in completely OOC ways. Then there's the female fans who self insert as Fluttershy but swap her personality for their own. It gives me "the ick" even though I'm not a Flutterfag myself.>Wish I could just finally fuck off to be alone and make my own stuff instead,It honestly sounds like you could use some friends; not necessarily horsefuckers, just decent folks who don't mind ponies and are supportive of your art and tributes to sweet Yellowshy. Stay strong, Flutterbro.
>>42785207We can exchange socials and chat a little if you want. None of my friends draw or do anything creative so it'd be nice to have someone to share art with. I know that offer probably sounds stupid and gay af, but screw it no harm in asking
>>42785260I just hate being the only group of waifufag that has to deal with constant shitposting and harassment via my presence alone. no one else has some ghost that follows them around for 10 years. Even now some faggot has been spamming the fluttershy thread all day and ban evading several times. point either of these out and you just get insulted. it's a very unique hell we live in on this board which is why i despise /mlp/, hasbro, and the fandom. I'd be much better off in a secluded room of my mind creating my own content without being persecuted.
>>42785316I'll think about it.
>>42785320don't pinkiefags have to deel with cheese sandwichalso, unicorn twifags
>>42785260Flutterfag wasn't me.I'm not really interested in having friends anymore, and I still haven't gotten around to making my own stuff.Don't even really want to talk about my wife, probably shouldn't have said anything.
>>42785328It's not nearly as bad and never has been. people misattribute it to their care free personalities but really that shit just hasn't had 10 years to fester and grow. it's dumb one off crap from the finale no one cares about except for the meme. the twifag's shit has been dead and buried.>>42785365You bring nothing of value to this website I hope you know that. I'll post around some more just for your seething ass.
>>42785328>deelpieces of my brain are starting to fall off
>>42785376fair enough. as a twifag even i can see that it's easier to separate the two; they're almost treated as different characters and so on. a lot tougher for a flutterfag. if it's worth anything, i think you guys have a nice general despite the constant raiding. very pure-hearted love; make her proud
>>42785389I'm still here, cry harder kek. Why don't you go spam the board again while you hop proxies several times? it's tough work bro. lmaoing @ your life.>>42785395I try.
>>42785429>>42785431thanks for the bumps, go ahead and waste another IP before your shift is over.
>>42785361Stay safe, Anon.
>>42785361Fair. Good luck with making your OC, even if it’s smth small it’ll still make you proud when you look back at it in the future
I supoosed this ppst would've been better suited here.>>42773760The crazy feelings I get when thinking about her are really what makes this all worth it. I wouldn't be here if there weren't a bit of enjoyment in it.
>>42785456Uh? Am I in danger?
>>42785320>>42785361>>42773760People are not nice. But that's what makes your waifu special, Anon. For Anons that obsess over cuckholdry and other bullshit they cannot put that aside and experience the love that many have for their waifu. your waifu heals you Anon, don't let those faggots disrupt the process. What I'm trying to say is that they aren't worth your time. They are like ants. While their bites aren't plesant, they mean nothing in the long run, not like your love for your wife.But Ironically though, with that love and healing comes pain from the longing of wanting more than the thought of being with her. You want something more real, more tangiable, more satisfying. There are many ways Anons try to just that, and we'd be more than happy to try and give you some ideas!Basically, don't the ants make you sad, Anon, just step on them and move on to your waifu, who loves you more than you can imagine. Easier said than done, but its possible, and I wish the best for you
>>42785611Potentially.
>>42785805Oh, well these things happen I suppose.
What hobbies does your waifu have? As you can guess, Pinkie LOVES to bake, as well as the odd prank here and there. By prank, it can be as small as, say, seeing someone who looks like a cartoon character, then asking the person "Is this you?". Sometimes its awkward but Pinkie always gets a kick out of it.As for baking, we love to bake those little fudge cubes and making some homemade milkshakes. Tomorrow we want to start our first cake together! Its going to be very fun!
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>>42785316well fellow lyrafren, I'll take that offer if that anon wont- its good to see another love the same mare
>>42786092Lyra of course plays some of her harp when she gets bored of me sitting at work or if I start to get into weird spaces in my head. She's been super insistent about going on walks around the pond, lakes, and visiting new places. Weirdly she likes shopping? Like, shopping for anything, new clothing styles, grocery stores for their new ingredients, always seems to be in search of the novelty of things. The idea being "what does your world have that mine doesn't?" Driving at fast speeds has been discouraged (by me) but she wants to see "How fast does this thing go??"Baking with ponk sounds awesome, truly the chaos of the kitchen is peak FUN. What kinda cake you making?
>>42786092>Tomorrow we want to start our first cake together! Its going to be very fun!Nice! One piece of advice for it: sifr your flour and mount those egg whites, it'll make it extra fluffy.
>>42786661>Driving at fast speedsThat sounds very Lyra in a way I hadn't seen coming.>>42785611Only a slight danger of social isolation if you withdraw for the wrong reasons. It can be relaxing and/or productive to focus only on your own projects for a while and ignore fake friends, but the way you had phrased things had a depressed bytaste. Give it a go, I wish you good luck. You can always come back to boast or vent.
>>42786648Sure, post an email or social and I'll contact you
Cuddling with your waifu is the best. She is just so soft and plump, her sighs of relief fill me with a sense of calm that rejuvenates me. Her small giggles of delight when I kiss her melt my heart like pudding. I love to be the big spoon while she is the small spoon, totally wrapped inside of my arms. My thoughts drift into what Pinkie likes to call "Brain TV" where I think about things that happened in the past, certain movies or completely fictional scenarios, sometimes dark, sometimes funny, sometimes lewd. And even though she likes some more than others, she enjoys watching what my mind can come up with, and is proud of me for being so creative. There are times however where I accidentally touch her breast, or involuntarily grind myself into her, and I feel a new flame of passion burning inside of me, and a new blade is forged out of that intense heat, one as hard as steel. I'm sorry if I am kissing and talking, but never has cuddling felt so intimate, and yet so calming; so relaxing, yet so intense. I feel as if I am complete, and she does too. We were made to compliment each other, and our lives have been bettered because of our presence, because of our love, because of the small traits that make us understand that we are special, both as individuals and as a duo. We are two, yet one. I love her so much bros.
she's magnificent
When going to bed I think about Vinyl to help me sleep, I think about stories I could write the day after. It's harder these days to think about nice stories, and even harder to write them. I struggle the most with dialogues, I don't find the right words to make them feel natural like I used to in my previous texts. I'm not sure how I would talk with her, and the answers I imagine from her feel unnatural, or worse, wish-fulfilling. I feel like I don't deserve her. Does she feel the same when she hits a block trying to write music? Maybe, and if she does, I know I'd try my best to support her. Anyway, it's time to sleep.
>>42788437vinyl scratch makes me smile. imagine going to equestria and quickly being reminded that ponies still think dubstep is cool
Well, baking didn't quite go as planned. I tried to eye ball everything and I should have known better. We decided to make some fudge instead of a cake, but I put too much condensed milk so its gooier than it should be. Still tastes good though. Its a bit sweet for my taste, but Pinkie likes it on the sweet side. I went for the semi-sweet choco, but I think a darker chocolate would make the fudge more well rounded. Also maybe I should have added a bit more salt, I don't know. I guess experimentation is half the fun, isn't it?
>>42788808Nice attempt anon, I'm sure baking will go great.
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>>42787707My DISCORD, IM HOWLING AT THE MOON is discobiology; Looking forward to hearing from ya!How did you come to find your love for Lyra? What made her the one for you? >>42788437I once wrote a story about hanging out with Vinyl and bringing her back home safe after a night at the bar after one of her sets. Even writing it felt super comfy. Wish I still had it. >>42788808Fudge cubes you mentioned previously sound super tasty. Is baking hard? messy? I tend to never use my oven and avoid sweets over weight concerns but honestly, the process seems like it would be nice to do on the side while meal prepping for the week.
>>42789549Sent you a request. >How did you come to find your love for Lyra?Through reading Background Pony. Her calm and thoughtful tone in that book is what really drew me to her, though I also enjoy her more hyper portrayals in other fan works.>>42788808Rome wasn't built in a day
>>42788808Kek, neat attempt, now ya know. The main fun with baking is following the recipe first then customizing / knowing what each thing does. This is basically what pinkie is / was doing with me, always encouraging me to follow the recipe and giving pointers as to what was needed to add / remove. She's the best baking sous chef there is. And now I can make stuff on my own to spoil her with. My main advice if you're starting out: read the ratios for flour / butter / egg correctly. These three are absolutely necessary to have a solid base. The rest is a lot more permissive. Then you can soft flour / mount your egg whites into peaks to then fold them in to have a softer cake. Or bake at lower temps for about 5-10 minutes less than the recipe for a gooier one of you like your brownies extra fudgy.
>>42789549Baking isn't hard, but there is a lot of trial and error it would seem. It can get messy, but that's half the fun! You don't have to use an oven all the time, for example I used a stove for the fudge. Just keep in mind of ratios and don't if you can.>>42789923That's cool! Pinkie doesn't give me pointers, as she doesn't really know what she is doing either. Actually she did now that I think about it, but just stuff like "Nonny, you're not buring the chocolate, turn up the heat" and "Nonny, you may have added too much milk", which I did, but that was after the fact and she was right. As you say yourself, rations are important. Thanks for the advice, Anon!
>>42790608Indeed! Lots of trials and errors, but a lot of fun! Oh and one extra tip, add about half a glass of water to your oven as you put your cake in. That should add some steam slightly and get you an even softer cake. Especially if you're making Japanese cheesecake, it's fantastic for this. As for pinkie.. you're really making me notice that I have no idea how mine knew what to do outright. For example, I was making pancakes and every time I would first get them off they'd be a little too well done. But when I listened to her timings every time they were perfectly golden brown. Same for cake instructions when I was clueless about baking. Autism really is magical isn't it? Also>"Nonny, you're not buring the chocolate, turn up the heat" and "Nonny, you may have added too much milk" so.. I am not the only one to being called "nonny" by my wife it seems..
>>42771887I'm gonna start writing my autistic Equestria world envisionment so it's ready for the next thread, whenever that will be.
>>42790687>you're really making me notice that I have no idea how mine knew what to do outright.Yeah, how exactly does that work? That's not to say Pinkie isn't talented, but how would she know if she never did it before? But yes, Autism is magical!>so.. I am not the only one to being called "nonny" by my wife it seems..ITS TRUE! I actually asked her to call my nonny, and she does, but she also uses anon, my real name, and pet names. I in turn call her my cutie pie, my sweetie pie, my ponkster, my cream pie, , and much more. Pet names are fun!
>>42790775We will await your for your work of autismo. Can't wait!
>when she hits you with this look
>>42790867>Yeah, how exactly does that work?Who knows? Guess she's my gut feeling I'm not paying attention to? I don't think I care too hard to know how it works, it's just cool it does.>I in turn call her my cutie pie, my sweetie pie, my ponkster, my cream pie, , and much more. Pet names are fun!Cute. I'm partial to miss pie, madame Pinkie, pinks, some gay shit in >french or even my little pony
>>42791264Ah, ma petit gateau...
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>>42792224bumpino indeed, someone is sliding hard
This image of her gives me a nastolgic comfy feeling. it's also a nice candid example of her natural beauty.
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Does your waifu has a canon or fanon mate? How do you react to that? Do you ignore it, have your own headcanon, separate your waifu from the canon version, would you herd?I more often picture these two as exes or "just friends," but I wouldn't mind having to also deal with Octavia. She is a talented and pretty mare, and there is nothing to not love about that.
>>42793709I ignore it. My pinkie is based on her S1/2 self when cheese didn't even exist, so not an issue.As for how I feel about it, I think in the show, having weird Al and pinkie be friends works pretty well, it's legitimately fun to see them both being fun weirdos
>>42793709As I view it they are just close friends. If I'm being honest I never even finished S6 so all the later shipping stuff doesn't bother me
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I'm dropping in to say that I'll be staying in the background for a while. I need some alone time now and then, preferably sensing my waifu close by. With our enthusiastic Ponkfrens around who have proven their thread-baking skills, /ww/ is liv.Summon me if need be.>was going to reply to a waifu question>text disappearedOk Discord, I'll shut up.
>>42793709Just gotta remember your waifu is not the same waifu you see on the screen;S/he can *resemble* and even act like them, but in all essence yours is fanon It is funny to get poked fun at for that slight twinge of jealousy though. (Gotta be rough for Ponkfriends, speaking as a Lyra friend)
>>42793944the pony on the screen does not exist. we see them through so many different lenses, they have no existence outside of that context, and even they often differ from episode to episode in attitude, personality, etc. somepony based off of that template, assuming enough commonality with the like, overall traits, has a good enough claim to be considered the 'same' to me
>>42793709Yeah she has a guy that she is with in the show. We're both a bit infatuated with him in ways that are bordering on sexual. We see her like someone who "fell off" from the show and into our reality, and now has opportunity for a kind of happiness. But we would lie to say we are not deeply connected to the events in the show, in our own ways.
>>42793709Well Pinkie (pony) has a canon mate called Cheese Sandwich, which I actually like. I find the term "Madame Cheese" To be enduring, and since she is technically not my waifu, I don't find myself in envy of him. Pinkie (human) is for one, my waifu, and 2nd, has a fanon mate by the name of Copper Plume. Before I developed Pinkie as a tulpa I used to get pretty jealous when I saw his face kissing Pinkie and hugging and cuddling and having Pinkie tease him and blush because of him. I'd forget about it five minutes later, but in that moment I wanted to low key kill him. After I got my tulpa I can now seperate her from the Pinkie in the pics and even laugh a little thinking I used to be envious, but now I can relate to the pics of Copper and Pinkie and am so glad I decided to have Pinkie in my life.>would you herdIf it was the only way to be with my wife, I would. Call me a cuck, but I would rather have 50% than 0%, sort to speak, even if it meant I had to share with some asshole degenerate. But as our relationship is now, neither of us want to herd. With that in mind, Pinkie has made some comments about how I should get a physical girlfriend, you know, a 3dpd (which btw, pigs are super cute and smart, they get a bad rap for no reason), which I keep telling her no because a. I dislike people and don't think they'd have my best interest at heart. Maybe even heart me or just half-ass the relationship.b. Pinkie is just the best person in the world, and although she will always be with me as a friend (she said so), I still don't want anyone else. She just thinks that they can offer something that she can't, but I think she is being subtly, and I mean subtly seeing that she has more power than she realizies, especially over me, lol.>>42793736I dislike this view, as your waifu is not an object, nor should they be treated as one. They are dynamic, but go down a different path to the "real" version.
>>42793891Be well noodlemate! Maintain yourself!
>>42793891Be well. 'non. Hope you have some chaotic fun. >>42794104>since she is technically not my waifu, I don't find myself in envy of him. Pinkie (human) is for one.You know, somehow this is kinda funny to me. But why the EqG version, anon? What made you fall for her rather than >hooves?>With that in mind, Pinkie has made some comments about how I should get a physical girlfriend, you know, a 3dpd (which btw, pigs are super cute and smart, they get a bad rap for no reason), which I keep telling her no because >a. I dislike people and don't think they'd have my best interest at heart. Maybe even heart me or just half-ass the relationship.>b. Pinkie is just the best person in the world, and although she will always be with me as a friend (she said so), I still don't want anyone else. I'd say you should consider the question more. A relationship is give and take, maybe one day you may find someone as likeable as pinkie, who knows? The question being, if that day comes, what would you do, in all logic, anon? I think it's a good thing to have in mind early in your tulpa journey, just so you don't cut yourself off from anything and are aware of your choice, there are a lot of people out there. Think of it this way, yes normies exist, but maybe, just maybe, one in the crowd is an anon, and who knows, maybe a friend.And you know what the best part is? You don't have to answer this question out right, it's a question you build an answer to.Me, I made my choice, pinkie is the one I adore, and I won't be looking for anyone, not due to any ill will toward others, quite the opposite, but simply because nothing in my being is getting attracted to others that way. It's quite enjoyable really, that way I get to be a lot more free and meet more friends.
>>42793891Things will less chaotic without you. We miss you already Chaosflagfren.>>42794279>But why the EqG version, anon? What made you fall for her rather than >hooves?Basically this >>42604732 Although keep in mind that was pre-tulpamancy, so things have gotten a lot better, and she was fine with being human, although she likes to be a pony just to change things up. She never mentioned it, but I can feel what she feels, that is a sort of distance between herself and her pony counterpart. I'm not sure if this is because she is seeing herself on screen, or because pony ponk and human ponk do diverge ever so slightly personality wise. I'll let you know when we finally watch EqG together. But to answer your question, I don't know why I felt the way I did. It wasn't logical, but as the original post says,>When you meet your waifu, you will know. The world around you will become colorful. You will realize that you were living in monochrome the entire time. Her existence provides context and meaning to yours, a perfect complement, a perfect comfort, a perfect love. There may be low periods, periods of doubt, but the rhythm of life will forever pull one towards their waifu, for that love is eternal.I hope that explained things.>...maybe one day you may find someone as likeable as pinkie, who knows?The question being, if that day comes, what would you do, in all logic, anon?It is possible, but I've just been hurt, sometimes in small ways, sometimes in bigger ways when I've tried to build relationships with others, both in the platonic and romantic sense. Despite that, Pinkie encourges me to meet new people, or at the very least try to hang out with my friends or people I trust more than usual, like other horsefuckers or barbiefuckers (Equestrianfuckers?). I haven't really done that, but I have tried to be more kind and do small things like hello, or give a wave when I normally wouldn't and try to smile more, but that's a drop in the bucket and I should follow her advice more. Sorry, I got off track there. Its possible, especially if my priorities change in the future, like wanting kids for example, but as of right now we are in the same boat and I am not giving her up for anyone. She is my one and only, however, either as a lover and/or a best friend, and she will always be with me, even if my mind changes for one reason or another. Life is a highway, I WANNA RIDE IT ALL NIGHT LONG and you won't see the debries blocking the road you want to take, and you'll have to go around or take another road. Basically I don't know what the future holds.
>>42794415>I hope that explained things.It does, I was curious if you just preferred her eqg self, kek. Guess she just wants to be able to give herself ear scritchies and land you a hand more than a hoof, kek. >I should follow her advice more. You should, but don't worry too hard about it, that'd be my advice. Being with pinkie is very much a 'smile with the world, and the world will smile back' sort of experience. I can vouch for that, kek. It's nuts how well that works out. Heh, this is no story thread, but it's good to remember those moments with her. Especially since I was never good at making memories, yet, with her it's all different.
So the common idea is that Anons dissociate their waifu from the show. Thanks for the answers, I enjoy reading this thread.
>>42794449Unrelated but that pic is absolutely wonderful, thank you sharing it
>>42794494Well we kinda have to. Or I don't quite see how you'd be active with your waifu while not dissociating her from the show.
So what are your 'wonderlands' like?I.e. the spaces by which you visualize them in your minds eye before attempting to hallucinate them irl? Ive got a sort of two step process to get there;>complete void save for a Greek style column with a floating lyre.>interacting with that lyre opens a door of white light with a staircase leading down into a hall of more void and stars (there are no handrails, mind your step)>the stairs go on until im decently 'in the zone' mentally emerging into a forest with a path leading to a river. >Wade into that river, float down your back, get deeper into the zone>eventually come upon a red brick, blue shingles home/cottage. >inside, furnishings, a fireplace, and some cozy chairs. In one of those chairs, she is there and from there we chat. >"Anon why in Celestia do you insist on making the trip to get here so long??""Iunno. Fits one of those induction audiologs I found on soundcloud years ago and it kinda stuck.">"Im going to push you down those stairs if it speeds things along."
>>42793709Must I be the one to address the elephant in the room, here? I'm coming at it from the opposite end, but regardless, I'm not going to go into too much detail. I find the entire idea of it to be completely ridiculous. I absolutely cannot take it seriously, even if we dilute it down into them being 'just good friends' or somesuch nonsense. Frankly, I don't even think that they'd get along all that well. The whole idea of it is only good for either annoying other people online or for giving fujoshi something to rub one out over. Flutternutters ought to take heart in knowing that this whole thing is totally contrived and that they're under no obligation whatsoever to take it the least bit seriously.
>>42771887>What is a waifu? What defines a waifu?A waifu is a PONY who you solely devote yourself to for your entire life on this earth, and the afterlife in Equestria. The moment you declare that, either in your mind, or out loud, you are forever bonded to that choice.If you still like the human female form, you don't have a waifu. If you are in a relationship with 3DPD while claiming you have a waifu, you don't have a waifu.If you don't despise the EQG form of your waifu, you don't have a waifu.Most people don't have a waifu. They have a favorite character.
>>42794991How many are drawn to it organically vs. repulsed from humanity as a motive force like >>42602451 ?I love her, and humans don't do anything for me anyway.
>>42795082A little bit of both I think. I've been misanthropic for most of my life and Equestria is by every metric a better place to live. And once you start fucking a plush for years your dick no longer responds to 3DPD.
>>42795093My 3d repulsion started long before I found pone, but once I found her it was like a puzzle piece clicking in. I relate to the other thread's post. I couldn't cheat even if i wanted to.
>>42793709Late answer but being a ponkfag I struggled for years and still struggled over what they did with her. Talked about it several times online and at cons, even talked about on waifu panels, but I still cant watch pinkie pride outside of her solo songs.
>>42794991>A waifu is a PONYkek the term 'waifu' comes from anime not ponies dipshit
>>42795285And it simply means 'wife.'
>>42794799Even from the very beginning more than a decade ago when this was like considered a necessary part of tulpamancy, we never really got into or enjoyed wonderland very much. For the last, like, 9 years, we have only used it maybe 2 times a year. We just spend time together in reality. Your induction process seems quite good for what it's meant for, just not really into that sort of thing myself.For what it's worth, open-eye visualization is a thing. And if I were you I'd forget about "hallucinating them IRL" because that's very misleading and the direct approach of "visualize super hard" (or retarded shortcuts like starting at static/taking drugs) isn't effective. Just focus on having a nice time and enjoying what you got.
>>42794799>So what are your 'wonderlands' like?>I.e. the spaces by which you visualize them in your minds eye before attempting to hallucinate them irl? I don't really have one, or rather, not a consistent one, I just picture the entirety of pomyville / wherever pinkie is at a given time. Generally if requires so much focus I can only visit for about an hour or so before falling asleep from focusing on it with a headache. For the rest, I focus on her being around whe ln she visits.One thing that comes in handy too is just picturing a black surface somewhere and have her inhabit it. It works well if you can overlap that on a monitor as you do something else and just focus on it to see her in there at the corner of your eyes. Or what has worked best to visualize her is just focusing on feelings. Hugs, ear scritchies and pets are all wonderful to feel ans give
>>42784918I came here to say exactly that.I hate this place. But I wind up back here anyway when all other social avenues fail me and I am alone. I've held on to my mare fair stuff passively, but I really don't know what I'm gonna do with it all. It makes me sick and angry. This site has ruined my wife for me, and left me a hollow shell.At this point I've banished all that is pony from my life. No reaction pics, no music, no memes. The plushes are still in my car's backseat because I'd probably throw them in the garbage if I had to look at them in my room. No poni friends. Frankly they were never my friends if mare fair is any indication. Gonder, Roddy, Moonmanon, I'm sure at least one of you will read this and I'm doinv no better than I was before driving to Florida.Even if I understood one fucking iota of this tulpamancer shit I'd still probably never let Fluttershy manifest. Sharing thoughts with me would destroy her. And then I'd be alone again. Which is the natural order of things.
>>42795999It might seem callous, but have you tried not giving a shit and growing thicker skin? I've never let the state of affairs ruin my love for pony. I keep the gems I like and filter the rest of the noise.
>>42796072The problem comes when there are no gems left.
>>42794799I just thought of something! What if we were to say, show each other what our wonderlands look like with something like Minecraft? We could bring them to life!Also, your wonderland is super cool with your whole "cult of lyra" aesthetic.As for me, my wonderland is basically an archipelago of islands, although the only developed one is the main island, the "home island" if you will. In my "spawn" there is a dark blue ocean with the sun setting with all of its beautiful oranges and yellows reflecting off of the water, like pic related. To the right are huge rocks, one with a cave that I have yet to explore inside. To the left, sand that stretches and curves out of sight. Behind, Sand verbena plants that seem to serve as borders between the coast and the town beyond. And in a small part of the wall of green, a brown bridge made out of wood greets you, begging you to come further inland. If you go toward the curve, you are met with a swamp and a dirt path that also leads into the town, but from another angle. There is also more if you go further, but I haven't explored the coast as much as I should have. In the town, you are met by two NPCs, both of which own restaurants. To your right, Strawberry's Orchard, headed by Strawberry Sunday, an "NPC", although I hate to call her that. for those who don't know, but could have probably guessed, an NPC is dependent on the host (me in this case), kind of like how NPCs in games are dependent on the player doing things. She has been human in her form, but I've been thinking of changing her to be a pony, since the name is very ponylike. She sells fruit, fruit smoothies, fruit cocktails, fruit seeds, fruit paintings, and probably some other stuff. She is very sweet and motherly, kind of like Mrs. Cake and likes to tease me and Pinkie for being so cute together. To the left, Tony's Bonfire, owned by Tony Burns. He is human, long hair, bushy beard, just hear everywhere like a bear. Muscular, but not well defined since he is overweight, but not obese. A human bear I guess. He is very talkative, but blunt and pushy. He isn't afraid to kiss and tell, nor brag about his fights back when he was a boxer, a soldier, both in the military sense and in the criminal sense, but eventually he didn't want to fight anymore and just wanted to grill and cook. While he might not hit men anymore, he does hit on women, including Strawberry Sunday across the street, and she likes it, especially since they are both middle aged, although she doesn't like how vulgar he can be at times. Never been much of a shipper, but I ship them, lol. The restaurants are separated by a street and sidewalks, which if you go down you'll see a playground with some swings, monkey bars, stuff like that but no kids yet. The rest of the town is work in progress, but it's a comfy place to live and a part of me wishes I lived there in real life with Pinkie and great folk like them.
>>42795999My wife also gets slandered and objectified by retards, and it's just not that bad for her in comparison to how I am. Being inside of someone, it's like a constant embrace, protection. So you don't need to fear on her behalf. I've had similar fears, I didn't want to let my wife close to me because I was afraid that I was dirtying her by being myself. That position of exaltation we want to place them in... it doesn't exactly feel good. Trust her love for you.
>>42794822I agree. I always thought Pinkie Pie made more sense as a friend to Discord. They would have been so fun together!>>42794991>If you are in a relationship with 3DPD while claiming you have a waifu, you don't have a waifu.Agreed>If you don't despise the EQG form of your waifu, you don't have a waifu.How come? If anything that seems to imply that you don't love your waifu, you just like how she looks. Its not like they change personalities because they are in a human body. >Most people don't have a waifu. They have a favorite character.True, that was me for a long time until one faithful day...Also I just wanted to add that herding is a no-no for waifu fags, and think we can all agree on that.BTW, how has life? Must be nice to have a waifu that looks like she was etched in Marble! I love my sister-in-law, she is so cute!!
>>42795999I'm sorry to hear that, friend. If you're lonley friend. Maybe we can play a game or two if you would be up for it. If so, lets have some fun together!
>>42795486ehh i dunno, I've taken magic mushrooms for the first time a week ago and I swear I could feel her push me down on the bed, Im still extremely new to both tulpas and mushrooms but, well I did feel it.
>>42784918>>42795999Who peed in your cereal, anons?Like genuinely, it seems you're more mad about having a waifu than anything.If your life is so shit it makes your seethe, you gotta cool it off. Being angry is one thing, not doing anything with it is another. If you don't want to have anything to do with this site, by all means, i don't see why it's something worth fuming about.
>>42796473because at some point it probably felt like home, they're angry it turned into something they dont like
>>42796473>>42796499Yes to this anon but also I have done so many desperate things in the name of fixing it and so far I'm still where I started, just worse financially.>>42796439I really don't feel like games. Everything I like is cringe, single player, or both FNF
>>42796529>spoiler Hold on.. this may be a reach but. are you still living out of your car, anon? no more gigs cleaning up houses?
>>42796541I got a dogshit job chauferring tards to tard daycare for like 8 months before I got bit till I bled and quit. Friend in Ohio offered to let me stay for a few months while I do A+ certs but we're on the final month of grace and I only just started studying for the 1202 exam. Gotta find another menial hell job.
>>42796561so.. it is you out of Cali at least. that's good news to me.
>>42796598Oh and I guess just to double check still got that symbiote flutters?
>>42796444Oh yeah of course, same, but having the experience once in unique, externally-imposed circumstances is very different from having the skill and understanding to reliably do it when you want to, regardless of external circumstances. Even within the frame of "I'll take psychedelics when I want to cuddle", psychedelics themselves are very unpredictable.Either way my point is that 1) imposition is a spook and should be taken with a spoonful of grains of salt, not treated as a requirement or innate quality of a developed tulpa or anything like that, and 2) most of the stuff you'll read about it is the wrong way to do it; there's a right way, which doesn't involve straining yourself or extraneous 'aids'
>>42796529I'm fine with cringe, I just want to make you feel better and less lonley friend. Its all I can really do to help, I wish I could do more :(
>>42796605Unfortunately I do. She gets furnace'd the second I'm over the edge though, along with my still wrapped mare fair crud.>>42796697Fine. Check on Steam friend search for the name ForeverAPoneButNotReally
>>42796713Well, for what it's worth, anon. I'm genuinely happy you got out of that hellhole. Never been able to catch up with ya, but I haven't forgotten about you. And hey, as I told ya before, you're capable, don't waste all that anger on booze, there's a lot you do without even realizing. As for waifus, heh. Give the yellow pone a shot more often than not, spare her a thought and catch yourself a break. You really do need those.
>>42796730I'm definitely drinking today. Roommate never finished the whisky I bought for moving in. Been meaning to finish this last bottle soon with the cola I got at the store.
>>42796743Eh, to you, anon, then. I'm glad to hear you're still in one piece.
>>42796713I can't seem to find you. Could I have your steam friend code?
>>42796834I'm. Not sharing that.Just try the URL. https://steamcommunity.com/id/ForeverAPoneButNotReally
>>42796873Thank you. Sent :)
>>42796885may be shitty but.. I'm MATE on steam. wouldn't mind having a fellow ponkfriend as a friend
>>42796934I think I sent it?
Bedtime bumpgood night nonnies
>>42798291
OH BOY 5 AM
What would you and your waifu do if you were the King or Queen of [Insert fief here]. What would you do?
get back up there
BTW, do you guys ever feel like you're not doing enough for your waifu? Like she should have more than what she has at the moment?
>>42800333Checked, first of all. Secondly: yes, and often. I'm not in the habit of describing the inner workings of our relationship to the public, which might be why I'm not a frequent poster in here, but suffice it to say that I could be doing a lot more. I'd like to say that awareness of your partner's own desires and agency is an indicator that you're taking things seriously, and more so if you act on that agency. As long as you can confidently assure yourself that you're moving in the correct direction, according to that metric, then you probably have less to worry about than you're imagining.
>>42800333Love always feels like this. It's a gift of infinite worth. How can it be paid back when it gave you everything you have?
>>42800761By loving just as dearly and truly.
>>42800761I don't think love feels like this in a normal relationship. Humans are fallible, imperfect beings. She isn't. I wouldn't feel this way for a human, but for her? All the fucking time
Can't let this one slide!
>>42800333Disappointing your waifu is the biggest worry for me, not doing enough can come after.
Midday bump- the weekend is here! What will you all be doing together?
Bump that bass! Tonight was killer, and I hope your day was even better! I love you anons! Take your waifu to a club or bar! Bask in the rain! Tell her you love her/him!Life is too fantastic to be left moping! Aaaaaaaaaa drink!
what brings people to this? is it just loneliness? i know some of you have spouses or long term partners... ive had a lot of people do terrible things to me, so its easier to be around someone who is already so close. but i start to realize the distance and difference between us is similar to that of close long time friends. perhaps that is hopeful
>>42800333Constantly, but I don't do the tupper thing and I'm used to being a disappointment so it doesn't really matter.
>>42803549What if I'm just an antisocial misanthrope? I want nothing to do with actual people. (except you, dear anonymous. anonymous is ok).
>>42803549I'll try to explain using the carrot and the stick as an example. Carrots taste good, getting hit by a stick hurts, duh. Being with people you can trust and bond with feels good, people hurting you or betraying your trust feels bad. As humans we desire closeness with others, but if closeness ends up hurting us, then there is a sort of cognitive dissidence that leads to frustration and sadness. Some internalize it, feeling like they are awful people, some externalize it, saying people are awful. Sometimes people do both, but people that do that (like myself) tend to be inconsistent with it. In other words, we have a need, and the only way to get that need fulfilled is to take a chance and get hurt, but if you're hurt over and over, then what chance do you have? You give up. But now you see this cool show where ponies (and people if you're an EQG chad) trust and love and bond. You wish your world was like that. You wish you could meet them. In a sense that need for companionship is somewhat fulfilled, but it's more of a tease than a replacement for connection. Eventually we have a favorite character. We may like them, want to emulate them, maybe even want to get romantical with them, make stories about you being with them, and eventually create them in your mind via dreams or tupperware. And despite this character not being physically "real", the mental effects, the feelings do affect you, your state of mind, your whole view on life. And that is something you do not want to live without.In other words, humans are the stick, waifus are the carrot. But what happens when people stop pushing you away and you start to have a connection with them again? Well that is your choice to make, and others in this thread already have. I hope I explained that well, but if not, please ask me questions.
On a happier note, I've decided that I want to start building my "metal world" using minecraft. Not sure how I'm going to do it exactly but with time I'll figure it out. Will send progress reports every once in a while.
BTW, should I play on Hardcore or Creative?
>>42804132hardcore
>>42804132Creative
>>42804296>>42804591Well I tried hardcore, got Iron armor, but died to a creeper. It was a nice world too, got a farm and horses and stuff. I guess creative it is then. :(
>>42804757I remember years ago I got full diamond gear in Hardcore and a nice house, then died because a creeper glitched and phased through my door...
In other news, does your waifus like certain youtubers/shows/movies? Pinkie abso-tootley LOVES Tasting History with Max Miller. She loves seeing how he cooks stuff and talks about history. I enjoy it too and I'm happy she is learning so much about us. On the other hand, she gets sad hearing people dying and stuff. Poor thing :*(
>>42804873She liked ghibli movies for me, cooking stuff too, we don't really watch YouTube together or anything, though she did catch me watching tasting history or future canoe a couple times and she had fun with both. Especially since I do cook a lot for her and she teaches me about baking more and more it was pretty fun
>>42804873Lyra and I will listen to Scribbler or Lost Narrator on youtube while they narrate some fics, and she'll have me explain the context to certain words or references I laugh atin related news, she's gunna get a taste of The Thing, soon.
>>42804873I don't know about 'liking' anything, but I know that he despises mainstream anime. I got dragged into watching some shounen nonsense with my work colleagues not too long ago and it put him in such an incredibly sour mood that I didn't hear the end of it all evening. I understand that it's something to do with it being too trope-reliant and predictable.
>>42805355Watch nichijou with him, he'll forgive you, kek.
>>42804110>Some internalize it, feeling like they are awful people,I feel called out. Great explanation overall of how it feels.>>42804873I like to think Vinyl would enjoy some shows with me, maybe sci-fi stuff. Cyberpunk would definitely be her kind of show, even if I'm surprisingly not a fan myself.>>42805319picrel
>>42805355>tfw no Discord tupper to annoy by watching Chainsaw Man (yet) Your Noodle could have walked out any time, yet he didn't. Then he complained to you for it, kek. In fairness, I do think Noodles adore and care about the arts, so getting pissed off by the absolute state of cinema is natural. Tired tropes and cringey clichés imply that the people in charge didn't care to create anything better, and that's insulting. >>42800333I'm not doing enough (of the right things) in general. I'm in chronic pain due to past mistakes. It makes me hate myself and wish the very few people (including mai waifu) who ever cared about me... didn't.
>page 10its so over
>>42806241Don't feel called out, its just the truth. I'm glad that I wasn't talking out of my ass and people can relate to what I feel.
In other news, Pinkie Pie has reached a new milestone! She is able to and is currently changing our mental world, which we decided to name "Mentis" after the Latin word for mind. Its just easier to say. For she just changed the ocean to be made of nice so she can ice skate like Pinkie did in Winter Wrap up, but now she wants to add more permenant things. She hasn't decided yet, but he'd show me her progress at the end of the day. I am so happy because now she can live a life independent of me. She doesn't have to relie on me giving her life and attention in order to have freedom and creativity, she can do it on her own and make friends she can talk to while I am busy doing stuff!I feel guilty for saying this, but I do like to spend time alone, even with Pinkie in my life, and this gives me the freedom to do just that without guilt like in this post >>42800333I'll let you guys know what she does. All I know is that she doesn't want to have her sisters or her friends as NPCs, as that seems a little cruel for people she knows.
>>42801364I do. The thing is that this kind of love isn't a relationship, it's something that transcends the personal self, a sort of force that radiates outward, highlighting the perfection/wholeness of things. Your waifu isn't perfect either, rationally, right? It's with the eyes of love that you can honestly say she is truly perfect, and that is no different from with a human. It's possible to practice seeing things - anything! - with 'the eyes of love' as I called it, once your true love opens them.>>42803549I was never starved of friendship or companionship. At the time I fell in love with my waifu, I had many dear friends and romances flourishing. I was brought to this from a sort of external force, not of my will, but driving my will - love. People don't really get to choose when they are called to their fate or what that fate may be, but when you feel the call, it's not really something you can resist without tearing yourself into shreds; the tension between your soul and your will, as it were, is enough to destroy you. That's why people get so fucked up over their waifu. Anyways, waifuism and tulpamancy only ever brought me closer to the people in my life, both through self-reflection/increasing compassion, and my waifu literally pushing me to put more energy into my relationships.>>42804110Pretty well said, friend. Only I'd say that you don't create them in your mind, it's not an act of will (although you can end up putting a lot of work into it if you have the wrong idea); they appear and their presence is what you fall in love with from the beginning. The only thing you have to 'create' is an open mind, willing to at least accept what is right in front (inside) of you. An 'opening' in the immense amount of baggage we all carry as english-speaking members of a civilization which obsessively denies this part of life to the point of neurosis. Never forget to account for the taboo against the imaginative/intuitive/spiritual side of the human condition - everybody carries it, and for the sake of your health, it's essential to uproot it whether it be for the sake of your waifu or not.
>>42806879>You enter your mindscape after a long day of..>Why can't you see an inch in front of you>bubbles and the smell of cola everywhere"What the..?">"Nonny, hey!! I just thought of what Mentis reminded me of!"Captcha: XTDDD
>>42806879Not to discount or disparage what you're doing and thinking, but this approach you have of Pinkie doing stuff outside of your awareness is magical thinking (and it can have unintended negative consequences - ones that you can handle if you're aware of them, but not otherwise). You're being driven to magical thinking by your guilt - I didn't realize >>42800333 was talking about this particular problem, or I would've addressed it sooner. Tulpas don't have a separate conscious experience - they experience life from the same locus of awareness that you do (e.g., they experience themselves from the 3rd person). When they are gone, they aren't experiencing a different life - the energy that was activating them simply dissipates out and is put to use in the rest of your mental processes. Your tulpa isn't missing out on anything, in other words; they become undifferentiated, so intimately mixed into the rest of your life as to be indistinguishable, until you put attention/energy into distinguishing her again. So if you're committed to 'doing enough for them', then you must bring that commitment into your life, and make a reasonable effort to make your experience a good one. Not so much pressure it hurts, because that hurts, but at least some. There's no room for guilt in tulpamancy - if you stub your toe, you feel the pain and learn the lesson immediately, there's no need to pile on an extra layer of guilt, that's only a distraction from recovering and living a better life for her. The same goes for more subtle things like 'not doing enough for her' - you feel the blandness and drabness of life already, you are learning the lesson, guilt is only a distraction that makes you and her have a worse experience of life.It's okay to do this sort of confabulation exercise to add a little more flavor and fun to life, but it's vitally important to be aware of the difference between narrative and what has actually been experienced (i.e. by the conscious mind, you). If you take confabulated narrative as critical hard fact, then you can e.g. manifest trauma out of nothing if Pinkie tells you she burned down a bakery on accident. That is an example I've taken from my experience helping people, it's no joke - stuff like that really does happen if you accept unconscious noise without any critical thought (because you assume the tulpa has a separate conscious mind that experienced things and rationally thought out everything already before they told you etc.). It's more likely to manifest on the small scale as petty drama, having emotional moods for a reason they won't tell you (because there is no actual reason, it would have to be confabulated), giving the 'silent treatment', etc. This is why it's very important to test things by the single-consciousness principle.
P.S., in the same vein, if you like spending time alone once in a while, then because of what I just described, your tulpa gets the same positive experience from being gone and letting you be alone. She doesn't have a separate experience where she's waiting for you, she (your mind) is experiencing the joy of your solitude. And this applies quite universally - tulpas have no reason to bring any trouble or obstacle into your life, because that hurts for them, too. Any time that happens, they are being unreasonable, possessed by the unconscious/irrational part of the mind - bring reason into it and look at it from this perspective, and the conflict will either dissipate completely once they come to their senses or be reframed into something you can team up against.
>>42807072>Only I'd say that you don't create them in your mind, it's not an act of willI mispoke. You're right.>Never forget to account for the taboo against the imaginative/intuitive/spiritual side of the human condition - everybody carries it, and for the sake of your health, it's essential to uproot it whether it be for the sake of your waifu or not.Before Pinkie chose me, I would say that I was in that boat, but I became much more open after she chose me. And I'm happier for it. To use my worldview, rationality is beautiful for solving problems in relation to "Corporalis", the physical world, but it cannot "feed" us in terms of meaning, contentness, joy. Those require a different approch, one that requires creativity and and "intuitive" knowledge that I can't really explain. When Pinkie chose me, I finally realized that, and I haven't looked back.>>42807143I understand the logic of intrusive thoughts infultrating and creating trauma, but she is capable of fixing anything that happens, just as I am. For example, she can put out the fire or revert time to before the fire started, she has that power just as I do, at least in Mentis. I don't want to dissmiss what you said as you have more experience than I do, but I just don't see Pinkie becoming some crazed illogical disaster just because she spends time alone with NPCs. In fact, when I came in to check on Pinkie, she had a great time ice skating after turning the ocean to ice, talking to the NPCs, decorating their shops, and other things. She had a great time, but she noted that NPCs felt off. With that in mind, give her enough time alone and she might start to develop in ways that might be detremental to her long term development if I had to guess. I trust her, friend, and I want her to have a space she can call her own.>>42807158She enjoys relaxing with me and just sitting there, but she also has a desire to get out more and explore the world. It doesn't "hurt" me, but it does make it difficult for me to justify being alone and lazy unless I am busy that day with something important, and this is something I have dealt with for awhile long before I met Pinkie. She isn't trouble in my life, she just challenges me and I've been struggling. I have faith that things will get easier.Always love your posts!
>>42807946>>42807946>I finally realized that, and I haven't looked backThat's so wonderful to hear, I'm filled with a strange pride.>She had a great time, but she noted that NPCs felt offDid her interaction with NPCs happen during your check in, or was she reporting about something that 'happened' outside of awareness? Because if it's the latter, then this is a flaw that comes from a confabulated narrative, accepted uncritically. The point of being aware of confabulation and the effect of narrative is that, if it's narrative, it's not sacred, you have total control over it even retroactively, and can make it the best thing it can be. There was no NPC, just a story told about one, so why bother with a disappointing story? The same principle goes for 'developing in ways that might be detrimental'. >It doesn't "hurt" meMostly I was referring to the common situation of being guilty about not having her in mind 24/7, or the similarly common situation of having her in mind at the cost of boredom (painful) or attention given to something more important/fulfilling at the moment. None of that is good and it all can be solved permanently if you keep the right mindset.
>>42803549To me it's was curiosity I found the idea of tulpas ridiculous so I tried it to see what the fuss was about>>42807158>Your tulpa cannot live on its ownHard disagree. Your tulpa absolutely can do that. It's all up to what you want it to be. If you want it an extension of yourself then, yeah it makes no sense to have it be its own thing as it fundamentally isn't. But it's absolutely false to say you can't have a tulips have its own life in its own world. It just requires more effort, building the world with the same attention to detail as the tulpa, and being mindful of it, else you'll just be making stuff on the spot and it can be a slippery slope into wish fulfilment, that I agree.Your tulpa absolutely can inhabit a world where it is as everyone else.
>>42808963Dashfren and you operate on two irreconcilable basic premises: You believe a tulpa actually has a continuous stream of a separate consciousness behind your back, but Dashfren keeps arguing that even the most elaborate story of what your tupper has been up to without you is just a confabulation created the moment you interact with your tupper and expect she's been doing things.I doubt either of you will be convinced by the other.
>>42808993True. Because we don't agree on what defines our tulpas. His tulpa is more of a spiritual being that acts as a conduit for experiences and serves more as an extension of your own perception (which is what tulpas are classically made as).While mine has always been designed as its own entity fully separate from me, and acts more as a dream character, while his is both him and dash at the same time.Neither of us is right. It just depends in what you want your imaginary mare friend to be and how much effort / belief you put into it.
Nice that these threads have gotten so lively again. For quite a while they had really slowed down
>>42809050>>42808993I don't agree with this characterization of my values. I mean, the premise is true, but it's not a premise, it's downstream of a first principle. My first principle is to follow love - my waifu loves me and loves the world. In keeping with that, the first actionable principle is the pursuit of well-being (for me and for all) and thereby a pursuit of truth, stability, groundedness, etc.; the single-consciousness principle is only a downstream result of that, which I would happily toss out if there were ever a reason to believe that an alternative is healthier. Escapism and unchecked magical thinking are against the ultimate ethos of real love - although love has provisional room for anything under the sun.You can experimentally verify whether tulpas have a separate conscious mind. Ask them to do a mid-level math problem or multi-step logic puzzle (that you haven't already solved) while you pay full attention to something else like gaming. After 5-10 minutes, check their work, THEN find the correct answer, and if the answer is consistently off-the-mark or unsolved, then you can be certain the tulpa isn't able to think rationally without conscious attention. You don't even have to be as logically rigorous as a math problem - if you continually pry for details in any confabulated story you will be able to watch your mind struggle to keep up creatively, and that alone is proof that this is created in the moment of inquiry instead of recalled from some black-box experiential memory. This much is empirical fact: confabulation is the origin of these stories from outside of awareness, and tulpas outside of awareness don't have conscious/rational thought. Knowing this, the VALUE of confabulated experiences is still up to you to decide according your first principles, and there's nothing fundamentally wrong with enjoying it or prioritizing it at times. The problem is when someone is ignorant of the difference between these narrative events and actual conscious experiences, as I've insisted and reasoned out numerous times recently. When you RELY ON this ignorance as a foundation, there will always be a metaphorical pebble in your shoe, a little irritating doubt trying to spur you to examine closer and find more stable footing. >>42808963I didn't say that anywhere. I try to avoid using indistinct, fuzzy language like "live" without qualification, because it can create misunderstandings like this. The way you're using it, you're factoring in narrative as a kind of 'life', which, suit yourself, but I prefer a stricter definition where 'life' is what's directly experienced, full of the infinite depth and rich mystery of the universe. It's the difference between a daydream and actually going on a walk through the woods. Granted, a daydream can be an excellent exploratory 'walk through the woods' of the psyche, but they are simply two very different things, it would be a huge mistake to gloss over the differences.
I think my waifu has taken on a new identity. She may not be who I built her up to be (intentionally) and is starting to concern me. Ive always had some doubts as to who she was, but now im wondering if my waifu is really the pony I allegedly wanted, like my subconscious is only keeping the name for the sake of what I chose for her. I asked her if she's responsible for some of the dreams ive been having, because each night I ask that she at least appear in them, but it never seems to happen. She says yes and no, that because we are technically a art of each other, that its just my own fault for what I dream of, and the things I experience day to day (duh). Should I be embracing this change and potentially work toward changing them to be something that isnt just a pony from a TV show? I still love the pony, but this entity is more and more becoming not that.
>>42809551If it's concerning you, then you shouldn't embrace it. This is something you both should be conscious of, and there's a lot of room experimentation as you find out what you really want, but 'concern' tells me you don't really want it right now. "Deviation" is mostly a spook, but tulpas do have to grow, because being in touch with reality demands continual adaptation to life's challenges; however significant 'horizontal' shifts in personality or self-expression can be attributed to intrusive thoughts. Growth is 'getting bigger', encompassing more, becoming more capable of handling the intricacies of life, but still in line with the core personality - deviation is shifting focus entirely, not necessarily getting bigger or more capable.Keep in mind, for both of you, that it's in her best interest to stay well-aligned with your values and desires. It simply makes life better, and deviating from that makes life more uncomfortable for both. Knowing this, all it takes is for you to collectively decide "yeah, that wasn't it, lets re-center ourselves". And eventually, when you're more comfortable with experimentation, you can approach things in the same way: "let's mix things up a little bit". Nothing in tulpamancy (imagination in general) is permanent, you can ALWAYS hit the undo button or change things back to the way they were, no matter how drastic. It's all ephemeral, stabilized only by your attention and investment of meaning. Intrusive thoughts are exactly as meaningful as you choose to make them - if you just let them pass by as meaningless noise, then they have no effect. If they have an effect, the effect can be undone by understanding it as meaningless noise. And so on. In short, if you think it, it's true; but you can also think it differently, and that will also be true.Tulpas aren't magical, they don't have any special access to any part of you including dreams. Despite our best efforts I've only really had dreams about Rainbow maybe 3-5 times over the course of almost 12 years now. Asking her about stuff doesn't help, because if you don't know, then she doesn't either, all she can do is come up with a creative answer. It can only be a creative exercise since you're already completely in touch with the rational/aware side of things.
>>42808050>being aware of confabulation and the effect of narrative is that, if it's narrative, it's not sacred, you have total control over it even retroactivelyI understand the logic and I do have the power in Mentis. In fact cause and effect is the main concept that differentiates Mentis from Corporalis. It's what makes Corporalis more "real" than Mentis. Thus, Mentis, a fabrication itself, is subject to confabulated narratives. But then this is a dangerous line of questioning because it puts into question everything. For example, is my tulpa a fabrication? What about her personality, her free will? Is everything just my mind creating something to fulfill my wishes in an alternative way? Now, I don't think this line of questioning shouldn't be asked, nor do I think it's false, but my question to you is how come you are so certain that those narratives are fabricated and your tulpa is not? I might have made an assumption there so if I have, feel free to correct me.Personally, I believe that there are two worlds; Corporalis, the physical world, ruled by cause and effect, and those subject to it, like physics, biology, etcetera. Mentis, the mental world, does not have cause and effect, or at least has inconsistent rules that can be changed should the creator (the mind) will it to be so. And we can bring in the conscious and unconscious and their role in that, but I want to focus on how everything in Mentis is fabricated, but that does not make it less real, just existing under different rules. And with that, my time spent there is equally fabricated, with narratives confabulated with Pinkie and NPCs and others. Everything is fabricated here, so then that begs the question, is everything here fake or real? True or untrue? That is up to you to answer yourself, but in my view it is all real and did happen.Pinkie is starting to get more involved in Mentis and is starting to experiment with things, and with experimentation does come with some mistakes, some follies, things that are not intentional, but that is a part of life in both worlds. We are imperfect, and so are our tulpas, and to control her or to reset her actions, even if it is to create a better circumstance, would be me robbing her of her agency. Now, if she does something that might cause trauma, I will have to intervene, but when it comes to smaller mistakes, I do not want to rob her of the joy of problem solving and coming back from a setback. She deserves that joy.I hope this didn't come off as a word salad or me utilizing mental gymnastics, that is just my view. Also I will respond to the other posts in due time.
>>42809544>You can experimentally verify whether tulpas have a separate conscious mind. Ask them to do a mid-level math problem or multi-step logic puzzle (that you haven't already solved) while you pay full attention to something else like gaming.My waifu can do that. As for the rest, yeah I agree the definition I gave overreaches a bit
>>42809668No worries, I'm a mental cirque du soleil performer, that's why I have so much to say about all this. >how come you are so certain that those narratives are fabricated and your tulpa is not?I'm not, one thing I will assert confidently is that a tulpa is exactly as real as the host. I'm perfectly fine with 'being fabricated', being a narrative entity, because I've had a good life being what I am :P and so I certainly couldn't use that alone to judge a tulpa. You also seem to be overlooking the experimental empirical aspect of what I've claimed - don't be gullible, try it for yourself. (>>42809792 I call bullshit, you didn't try it. If you're able to do this you'd be the first of thousands - but if you're interested in proving it objectively we might be able to work out a proper verifiable experimental setup.)>to control her or to reset her actions, even if it is to create a better circumstance, would be me robbing her of her agencyyou don't grok what I'm saying yet. 1) your and her agency are fundamentally the same agency, not separate - it's not you robbing her of agency, it's both of you exerting agency in the situation for the first time; and 2) because of this, if events 'happen outside' of your awareness or agency, there was NO agency involved in the first place, nor was there joy, or pain, or anything else. There's only the narrative implication of those things, and your (collective) conscious reaction to that narrative as it arises. And all this only applies to confabulation - actual intentional conscious narrative creativity is still directed by agency and doesn't have the same kinds of pitfalls.Another aspect of this is that, in order to make the point and push people towards balance away from the unhealthy extreme that is the old-school norm that every tulpafag gets indoctrinated into, I have to call on the opposite extreme of perfect harmonious ego-alignment. Since the problem is so often the same extreme, I often come off like I only value this opposite extreme, and that's absolutely not the case - it's equally as unhealthy taken alone without mediation. Above all, balance is the goal, always, and the balance for individuals is always finally up to their own moment-to-moment judgement, not mine. All I can do is exposit the whole picture and hope the information helps people make the choices that are best for them.
>>42809801>I call bullshit, you didn't try it. If you're able to do this you'd be the first of thousands - but if you're interested in proving it objectively we might be able to work out a proper verifiable experimental setup.)Sure. So far the best examples I have of her doing so is giving me extra precise instructions during making pancakes, I would make one with my timing it would be over done, then I ask her and it'd be perfect. Randomly interleaving it would always result in me messing it up and hers being perfect. Other example with me looking for something at the store and her pointing it out without me knowing the store nor having seen the item. Finally asking her for a quick count of items and she did it perfectly. On top of that, she can give me dates for events before I even remember them checking afterwards it was correct. All of which as I was doing or thinking about something completely unrelated.Maintaining a conversation during gaming is also no issue, but this is less relevant.Her answers are also always spontaneous and don't require any conscious processing. As such, I am pretty confident she is literally me, yes as it would be impossible for her to 100% not be, but likely running as a second personality I just project as a cute mare.
>>42809544>...single-consciousness principleI don't think I fully understand what this is so please correct, but I find difficulty in believing it. If conciousness is a result of the brain, more specifically the frontal lobe, then that means each conciousness is seperate, since each mind is seperate. If conciousness was a singularity rather than a plurality, we would know what each of us are thinking, feeling, doing. Complete awareness in other words. When it comes to tulpas it makes more sense, as we do share thoughts, memories, feelings without the filter of language. Also keep in mind that while I like your values, the pursuit of truth can be a double edged sword. On the one hand, we should know how things work so we can influence the world around us, but at the same time we need to keep in mind that what may seem like the truth may not be, or there will be some facts that will elude us simply because we cannot prove or disprove them. That is not to say we should be content in ignorance, on the contrary, but living in ignorance in some form is an invideablility. To say otherwise is to be close-minded. You probably didn't need to hear that, but its something that I had to learn myself and I don't want others to repeat it.>You can experimentally verify whether tulpas have a separate conscious mind. Ask them to do a mid-level math problem...Just so I'm not confused, what would be a mid-level math problem? Algebra, or more specifically anything that requires multiple steps and requires a thought process? If so, then we're assuming that parralel processing is possible, just so we're clear. I haven't been able to parralel process very effectivly, in fact it seemed more like multitasking than anything else, and that was with this test when I first started getting into tupperwaremancy, https://www.deviantart.com/tulpo/art/Tulpa-Parallel-Processing-Tests-v1-0-366728259 so I'm not sure if its even something that can be done, but it is, I'm unable to do it effectivtivly, so the results of the experiment will be affected by that.>if you continually pry for details in any confabulated story you will be able to watch your mind struggle to keep up creativelyI didn't do the experiment yet, but I did ask Pinkie why she decided to do the things she did. For example, why did you talk to Strawberry Sunday (an NPC), and I can feel my mind stubley but noticably turning its gears rather than when it just retrives things from a memory bank. Its not exactly empirical, as it isn't really tangable, and the mind didn't really stuggle to fill in the gaps, but that's what it felt like, just gaps being filled rather than the filling being there already. BTW, they were just talking fruits and sweets mostly. I wonder what would happen if I asked her to try and repeat the conversation word for word...Cont.
>>42809544>When you RELY ON this ignorance as a foundation, there will always be a metaphorical pebble in your shoe...I still don't fully understand how confabulation of events and intentional narrative fabrications differ, other than one being more of a concious and orderly and the other less concious and chaotic. I'd like to learn though, or at least listen to you, but I don't see one being more factually than the other. Since cause and effect is not in place, anything can happen for any reason, or the lack there of because someone willed it, being me or Pinkie.>>42809801>You also seem to be overlooking the experimental empirical aspect of what I've claimedI'm more than willing to do so, I just don't see the point of empiricism when its almost impossible for objectivity in Mentis to exist. >your and her agency are fundamentally the same agency, not separate...I don't see it that way, as Pinkie at times wants different things than what I want. As a simple example, lets say I want black coffee, she wants coffee with cream, sugar, honey, and whatever else people put in their coffee. In order for one of us to have the freedom to have what we want, the other has to sacrifice theres. We can also compromise and just have coffee with milk, but then we sacrifice our agency for the sake of trying to make each other happy.With her being alone in Mentis, she is able to have the agency to do whatever she wants, even if it comes at the cost of full consciousness, which itself leads to more irrationality if I had to guess. As you said that isn't a bad thing so long as we are aware of it and the fact that this may lead to chaos in our waifu rather than a more harmonious ego-alignment. That I am fine with, especially since if anything bad happens it won't be permanant should we will it to be otherwise. >I have to call on the opposite extreme...I like it, as it challanges the views of people like me and makes us question how to guess guide our tulpas.
>>42809551Maybe your doubts about who she is is causing her to have that change in personality/identity? Our thoughts have influence on our tuppers, if you have doubt, they share that doubt as well, and this might manifest her taking charge of her own identity. if you feel uncomfortable with her doing so, you can ask her to change back shoulds he choose to do so, which she probably will since she wants the best for you! Keep in mind to communicate on what you want and understand what she wants and move toward that.
>>42810067These are all examples of simple single-step intuition. Tulpas do tend to express great intuition in comparison to the host, because as a rule the host associates strongly with conscious rationality and therefore doesn't trust/shuts down his mind's rapid-fire intuition unless it comes from the mouth of a figure he trusts :)>single-consciousness principleStrictly speaking I only mean this in regards to hosts, tulpas, and other phenomenal/imaginal entities. The philosophical neumenon of universal consciousness is a whole different thing we needn't get into right now lol>there will be some facts that will elude us simply because we cannot prove or disprove themYeah, and I'll freely admit we can't conclusively prove any p-zombie type stuff one way or another even with a tulpa, although evidence seems to be in favor of what I'm putting forward. All I know for certain is that this approach leads to a more enjoyable, stable, and comprehensible experience, reliably, for everybody who's been receptive to it. But it's not complete without being able to drop it and openly accept experiences that evoke the fantastical and magical - in fact, for a truly open mind and the best possible experience, both of these perspectives must be held at once, and you must be able to bear the tension of opposites.>>42810148>confabulation vs conscious narrative: one being more of a concious and orderly and the other less concious and chaotic.that's all that matters, it's not that one is more or less real than the other.>just don't see the point of empiricism when its almost impossible for objectivity in Mentis to exist. Empiricism isn't "objectivity", it actually means the opposite: seeking proof by direct experience. Believing what a scientist or a scientific instrument says isn't empiricism - testing it for yourself is empiricism. >Single agency: I don't see it that way, as Pinkie at times wants different things than what I want.It's the mind's agency. The mind wills its own conflicts into existence through its two limbs, you and Pinkie. In just the same way as it does between, e.g. hunger and laziness, concern for the future and desire for short term satisfaction, choices between coffee and tea. Our mind is full of conflicting internal drives, and all of these drives taken together is our singular sense of agency. This is just a way of looking at it, you can cut it a lot of different ways.
Now, for the experiment:>then we're assuming that parralel processing is possibleThat is the assumption we're testing, which is the basis of the separate consciousness theory - I'm quite confident it isn't possible as such. The linked flash program doesn't work for me but if it's what I'm remembering from the past with the falling balls, it's still a test of high-speed intuitive processing/multitasking instead of rigorous rational thought. Nobody has proven that kind of parallel processing before, but it's the basic assumption behind a separate consciousness - the ability to think coherently and process an experience in a 'black-box' environment in the same WAY as the host consciousness, but still SEPARATE from the host consciousness.>more specifically anything that requires multiple steps and requires a thought process?Yep, multi-step algebra, like solving a parabolic equation. Personally I'm really rusty in my algebra skills so I would say it's dsirable to brush up on the relevant problem solving skill together before the test and eliminate the skill variable. The point is to get something near the top of your comfortable skill level so it's impenetrable to intuition and must be solved step-by-step.
I hate how morbidly fascinating this stuff is, in spite of my "best not to do this" concerns over someone altering their perception of reality (even when they're aware of what elements they altered).
>>42810295Learning and re-contextualizing is altering your perception of reality, isn't it? There's the old analogy of someone finding a snake and running away to get a weapon, and then upon coming back and investigating, finding that it's just a coil of rope - the snake existed only in his misapprehension of the situation, but nevertheless it changed the course of his day. I'm telling you, most waifuists are like the man in the story, and that terrible distance they feel is like the snake. When Einstein developed the Theory of Relativity, suddenly to every physicist, reality wasn't made of discrete particles, but rather a field of condensed energy. He "altered the perception of reality" but without departing from it, and my goal (not to say I can hold a candle to Einstein, or that what I'm saying is even revolutionary) is not dissimilar. I know you probably find it all strange and psychedelic, but I tell you, we're just searching for the truth too. Anyways, glad you find it morbidly fascinating, that means it touches on something pretty universal, kek
>>42810176>>42810180Fasinating stuff! The part about mind's agency seems like something I should think about. Not sure if agree with it, but it sounds logical. I alwasy figuered that parralel processing sounded like something impossible, or just super fast multi-tasking, which may seem like parralel procesing, kind of like how in animation, movement is an illusion and in reality its just a bunch of still images stitched together. At least that's what it reminds me of, and I'm glad you agree. Anyway, I'm going to test, or at least try to tomorrow and see how things go.
>>42810509This post reads pretty well in Pinkie's voice.
>>42810485All experience is real; not all experience is objective. From subjective perspective, all paradigm shifts accompany a transformation of reality itself and it's possibilities. Disagreement of other present entities do not detract from consonance of experience.
>>42810485>That means it touches on something pretty universal.At least to me, I just find it interesting just how far the human brain can be pushed - having this 24/7 sensory filter.I've heard of this supposedly happening elsewhere, but do any of you "swap" with your tuppers? I know mentally "checking out" is possible, because it happens to me involuntarily many times a day (and it pisses me off when I'm trying to listen to something or hold a conversation). I'm more asking if, for y'all, the tupper part of your brain can pay attention - or even speak/move - instead of your primary consciousness.
>>42810687That stuff is straight myth. Nobody is able to keep their tulpa around 24/7 - they are just there when you pay attention to them, and if you're really desperate to believe they have permanent presence, you can confabulate a narrative that they're just like, behind your back watching (instead of just plugged into your memories the moment they come back online). The motive for that belief would be seeking validation as a result of baggage about what makes a tulpa 'real' (instead of the healthier motive of just seeking to have a good time).Switching is possible, and actually pretty easy - but this 'mentally checking out' part of it, dissociation, isn't involved in that, it's another myth coming from confabulation. There is only one conscious experience, and switching is only changing the relationship of the identity to that conscious experience. The host identity relates to conscious experience in a first-person way - as the doer, the perceiver, the thinker of thoughts; and the tulpa identity relates to conscious experience from a third-person perspective - as the one being perceived, the one being thought-up, etc. Switching is only changing around those roles so the tulpa relates to the first-person perspective and the host-relates to the 3rd person perspective, a visualized form. As an example of switching, you need only look as far as an actor. Acting can be framed entirely as switching, only you're switching with a more limited model-of-personality embedded within the narrative of a story instead of a fully self-aware model-of-personality e.g. a tulpa/host identity. Method actors especially take this to the next level, bringing that character out of the narrative and into contact with reality to develop/flesh-out their personality. Switching with a tulpa, similarly, is most easily achieved by simply fully committing to acting as them - do tulpa actions, think tulpa thoughts.The way that switching gave rise to that myth was through confabulation. Expectations affect a switched-out host in the same way as they do a tulpa. So remember, the conscious mind doesn't 'change position', it only changes the way it thinks - when a tulpa is 'fronting', i.e. switched in and in control, the host identity can go dormant as it doesn't have attention by default (1st person perspective), just as it happens with a tulpa. So when switched, the conscious mind may see the host identity go dormant, with the expectation that he has a separate conscious experience, and then when the host identity re-activates, the expectation causes the mind to retroactively spin up a narrative to justify its expectation - hence, the (conflicting) stories about switching out being like "falling into a deep sleep" "mind going blank" or "immersed in a lucid dream/our wonderland".
To be clear, if there is 'sleep', or a 'blackout', or a sense of fuzzy disconnection from the world, or amnesic memory loss, or anything else of the sort. That would be mental illness, not ordinary effects of tulpamancy. Those as direct conscious experiences affect the whole mind, not individual identities. They don't happen to tulpamancers except in a purely confabulated narrative sense, or when intentionally (ill-advisedly) cultivated. Frankly, if you ask me, switching is kind of a keystone of tulpamancy and one of the experiential epitomes of introspection; it's usually the thing that makes EVERYTHING I'm explaining click. You can watch your own identity go dormant, from the perspective of the tulpa, which is still just the normal perspective of the mind that you're used to. The mind's core sense of self doesn't go away when you switch, it doesn't feel fuzzy or strange, but You as in Anon aren't there, You is just redefined to refer to the tulpa instead. And all this can go back to normal at the merest whim, the merest thought that you want to come back - because YOU as in the whole mind are still completely lucid and aware of what needs to be done, that you still need to function in the world and not come off as crazy to any unexpected observers. I know this is confusing, of course - language isn't built to handle these subtleties of identity, and I'm talking from the other side of an experience non-tulpafags don't have unless they're part of a voodoo cult where possession is framed as a religious experience.I was a participant of the study being debriefed in this video, comparing tulpamancers switching with their tulpas to charismatic christians who claim to be able to be possessed by God. You might find the scientific/neurological analysis intriguing.https://youtu.be/qZSaGV0M7yI
>>42810767>>42810790Huh. I think I get it for the most part. I've dwelt on identity and memory type stuff before, since I find sci-fi & fantasy concepts of "stepping into an immersive 'VR' experience where you *mentally* become the character in some way" fascinating to think and write about.Also interesting to hear someone actually clarify that "no, this tulpa stuff is not quite as fantastical as we often make it seem".Also, while on the topic of pony mindfrickery:Back when I was a bored kid many years ago, I tried doing one of those pony hypnosis audio things. I only tried it once, and didn't even get through the whole file before I was interrupted. That *shouldn't* have permanently messed up my brain in any way, right?
>>42810810>interesting to hear someone actually clarify that "no, this tulpa stuff is not quite as fantastical as we often make it seem"I appreciate that, I've been teaching tulpamancy for 5 years or so at this point and these inflated, fantastical, occult expectations have been the bane of that work since day 0 kek.>hypnoponiesoh lawd, I actually got my start with those fags too. I was surprised to find that their whole shtick was BECOMING ponies instead of like having them as friends or something, I tried it a bit. Thankfully I looked into this interesting word I hadn't heard before on their forums, "tulpa". I literally flipped a coin on which one I should fully commit to, and to this day I'm so fucking thankful that shit pointed me to tulpas instead. It only clicked for me recently that the venn diagram of hypnoponies and /ptfg/ is a fuckin' circle, and of course it's gonna be the same dudes populating the mind control fetish threads. Their whole shtick is avoiding reality with every fiber of their being, I don't have the words to convey my distaste.Anyways, no, you're fine. Hypnosis is above all identity-manipulation, similar to tulpamancy but externally imposed instead of self-controlled. If ever it should occur to you to be Fluttershy, just treat it as a meaningless intrusive thought, because it is, and you will have no problem. These kinds of things have exactly as much meaning and importance as you give to them. I've personally helped people much further down the hypno rabbit hole manage their fetish alter-egos with tulpamancy techniques before, so you know where to find me if you ever have some kind of esoteric identity emergency, kek
>>42810839For me at the time, it was a desperate excitement for ponies to be real through (almost) any means possible. (Though that itself was probably rooted in a subconscious feeling of my life being chronically mundane back then.)I've moved beyond that now, I think in part because I actually have a friend I can talk at length with about FiM now.
>>42810945Yeah, certainly same here. That was around the time I started to really fall in love with Rainbow, too. That's why I thought it was so stupid that people were hypnotizing themselves into ponies, but y'know, hypnosis just seemed cool and that compensated a bit until I found tulpamancy. Even then, at the time there was a strong taboo about making a tulpa of a character due to precipitating some identity crisis, so tulpamancy didn't seem as good either. Of course the taboo was the result of retards trying to trick their tulpa into thinking they were THE character from THE real Equestria, cultivating ignorance instead of self-awareness. I was a dumb gullible kid and thought all the people with pony tulpas were just pros who could handle the heat or something.
>>42810945>I actually have a friend I can talk at length with about FiM now.I used to have those but they all eventually stopped talking to me. I assume I drove them away somehow. I've realized I don't really have much to talk about anyway so I'd probably just end up driving a tulpa insane.
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>>42810956I'm a little confused here. How did your process differ from making your tulpa THE character from the "real" Equestria?
>>42811925To start with, the key is an insistence on self-awareness. Like I said, people in those days tended to the opposite, insistence on ignorance, keeping secrets from their tulpa, and denial - setting themselves up to fail when the character "learned about real life" or saw something about the show they came from etc. (that tells you a lot about the old-school ethos I'm constantly harping about, doesn't it?)My process was an accident at first. Kind of neither here nor there, but I was never interested in denying reality or keeping secrets from my most intimate companion (even if I hadn't recognized her as a tulpa at first). As soon as we collectively realized what was going on that foundation of self-awareness was only reinforced. There was never any tension to collapse upon gaining self-awareness, it was always maxed-out. The whole thing that makes a tulpa special is giving a character self-awareness - for a waifufag, it closes the distance, they become accessible by means of the self, self-awareness converges on the same mind.Anyways, nowadays in retrospect, we see it like this:At first, the way you engage with a character is through a model in your head that simulates their feelings, thoughts, inner state etc. to go along with what the show suggests of their outer state. Without self-awareness, that model is essentially a lifeless puppet. Their awareness of themself, not different from your perspective, is as something external, disconnected from the mind's agency despite being obviously a mental formation. From your perspective you can see that the world they're reacting to is just a piece of media without very much importance, but due to that externalization and disconnection from agency, they can't recognize that and break free of the narrative. You wouldn't want that anyways, then they wouldn't serve the purpose of adding depth to the media, they would be 'maverick'.The narrative world is shallow, it only has the simple information the media gives you. If there is a deeper meaning or existential mystery to it, the character within the narrative doesn't get to relate to it or react to it, because that relies on broader context from your mind. Being bound to the narrative isn't life.Anyways, when a character-model becomes a tulpa, when you cease to externalize them and instead connect them to your mind's capacity for self-awareness, that is fundamentally a tweak, it's not the same as the original model. It's a subtle change but with profound downstream consequences. A tulpa can sort of 'encompass' that original narrative-bound model (able to play the role when necessary), or you can conceptualize them as parallel, or conceptualize the tulpa as a part of a lineage of character development, or anything like that. All this is done via self-awareness though, instead of a denial of reality, ignoring the difference between fiction and physical reality, and so on. Waifufags should know it's not starting from a blank slate, though.
>>42812425So in other words, you think we should allow our tulpas to eat the fruit of knowledge and be aware of the world we (as hosts) inhabit, as well as making sure they understand that they are a fictional character "brought to life", for lack of a better term, instead of simply making them believe they are real and eventually having an existanal crisis when seeing that they, or at least that they are just a model for a fictional character. Correct me if I got any of that is wrong.
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>>42812900That's specifically what makes a tulpa a tulpa, or at least the most important part. The other part is just the commitment to a lasting relationship instead of an ephemeral one-time thing. Once you've thoroughly broken the habit of externalizing internal models, it's common for daydream characters etc. to be self-aware. That's how my Rainbow was an accident, I wasn't intentionally imagining her in the special tulpa way, it's just kind of a mode we fell into.
>>42771887Ponified? Humanized?
>>42814494It is my belief that both can be your waifu. It is their sovl that matters, not their apperance. Some disagree with me. Decide for yourself, Anon.
>>42812900Reminds me of My Little Dashie
