I find it hard to believe any of you enjoy the show for its actual writing and not just the world building and some good ideas. If this is you, explain yourself.
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WOW!
>>42869394It's hard to appreciate this show for its writing when so many episodes fail to handle friendship problems properly (See mare-do-well and a friend in deed). Not to mention the abhorrent flanderization of the core cast starting past season 2.Many appreciate FiM because Equestria represents a utopia in comparison to our bleak and corrupt Earth.
>>42869394Mares are cute and I want to fuck them.Simple.
>>42869394I enjoy the writing of most of season 1 and 2 and then random episodes from throughout the rest of the show.Starting with canterlot wedding the show went from being written with care to being written like any other generic kids cartoon and then as the seasons went on the quality of that generic style of writing got worse and worse.
>>42869421Mares being as cute as they are is encompassed under "some good ideas"
>>42869394They should've stuck with Nightmare Moon being a thing throughout season 1 and then the Everfree slowly growing throughout the show. The worldbuilding would've been objectively better than what we got in the end with that they could've used and introduced if so.
>>42869394Dashie TANKED that btw.>>42869421fpbp
>>42869419The show does have good writing for the kind of show it is, especially the first two seasons.After that, it becomes more like standalone episodes, and you stay more for the characters and the world than for the writing itself.I'm the kind of guy who's not easily pleased and tears apart every modern series these days because almost everything is sloppy, but that doesn't mean you can't appreciate silly or mediocre stuff.That said, it also doesn't mean you have to forgive its flaws or lower your standards, for me, FiM barely reaches a 5/10 when you count the bad seasons, which represent 80% of the showand I mean, what other show with a target audience of pre-pubescent girls is half as good or decent as early FiM?It's something that introduces children very well to coherent and more mature writing, multiple characters, worldbuilding, a pseudo-episodic format, and something you can keep watching throughout adolescence without feeling like you're watching Peppa PigThere's also merit in creating characters that are so simple yet so charismatic, cute and funny that millions of children, teenagers, and adults want to watch them for hours, regardless of the overall quality of the episode or show.>>42869419I agree with a friend in deed, but not with mare-do-well>>42869421also this
>>42869515fuck, first >> was for OP
>>42869394Funny gif
>>42869394if we, as a collective, laid down on the copium as to see how faust jumped the shark all the way back to the literal SECOND episode of SEASON 1 when she completely undermined nightmare moon's backstory and twilight's conflict of making friends in just a single fucking anime flashback powerup asspull that was neither earned, properly setup nor build up in the slightlest but instead just given to her by the writers because she happened to notice the strangers she just met being useful to her cause and thus, realizing"huh, having friends can be useful, never before in my whole life did I never stop to make that connection despite being characterized as the autistic nerd".problem?Nightmare Moon's struggle with being overshadowed by Celestia?Boom, gone! She was just being a whiny bitch that needed some rainbow tasting spanking to be set back on the right place.problem?Twilight's inflated ego and lack of social skills being the very things keeping her from making friends?Boom, gone! Friends just... come to her...willingly! She is actually flawless and just needed to learn how friends can be useful.problem?Celestia's failure with her sister being the cataclysm to her corruption and the error of the past that had to be corrected somehow if Celestia were to ever hope to get things back to normalcy with her sister?Boom! Gone! Thanks to floaty magic rocks going YEEE, Luna gets back with Celestia just fine, in fact, it's Luna who feels any kind of guilt or remorse for her past, as if she even had the opportunity to do anything wrong before being sentenced a 1000 years on the moon with no trial.They don't even attempt to make a connection between the main conflict and the protagonists, Twilight just wants to stop Nightmare Moon because hurr durr she is evil and eternal nights are bad, that's it! Nothing about that motivation relates to making friends or learning about friendship. What about Nightmare Moon's backstory relates to Twilight in any way? There's nothing! It's just generic evil backstory for generic evil villain that generic protagonist must defeat by overcoming their generic problem and save the day.The show only shines in the isolation of single episodes of contained narratives because it couldn't really go beyond that, it was, in fact, made primarily to sell toys and done so in a restrictive budget reflective of this fact.Lauren Faust did not revolutionize girl's media, she just struck gold in a time where there wasn't much competition and internet hype culture was up for grabs, all she really had to do was make a cute show with cute ponies in wholesome moments with nothing too annoying to scare the adults away and she would've won!Had she done nothing beyond the bare minimum of this formula, the results wouldn'tve differed.If you pay close attention, you would realize just how unremarkable the show is at everything else it tries, including comedy. It's a show made to be enjoyed, not really thought about.
>>42870945I've been saying this for years
>>42869394I find the writing very good actually.>>42869419Friendship lessons are for the literal 3 year olds watching. I don't think adult fans need to concern themselves with these.
>>42870945yeah the season 1 opener sucks, the real first episode is ticket masterin fact basically every 2 part season opener and finale fucking sucks
>>42870945It's almost like it's a show for retarded baby girls that was never meant to appeal to closeted furfags that want to SEX the horse colorful horse characters
>>42872027>the its just a show for little girls defense
>>42872067Yep, also, and I got no source on this, Lauren originally wanted to slowly develop the friendship twilight had with the mane6 throughout the series but big toy corpos forced her to introduce the entire cast and ruin the pilot because it was best for the business and she complied lol
>>42869394The show is simply unique.
>>42869419>>42869515I thought the Mare-do-Well episode was fine. If the complaint was the classic "mean to Dash" or "let her talk her shit, she's a hero" in-universe she almost bungled saves by yapping too much. One of the ponies she was saving even called her out on it. If anything, her friends saved her from the regret of seeing splattered ponies she could've saved.
>>42869419>My Little Pony is a fantasy setting>You can tell because the government isn't actively stealing money and fucking kidsYeah...
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>>42869419Man you guys are some of the most autistic people on earth. The mare-do-well and friend in deed are two episodes I see all of you complaining about a lot, but the lessons in them are good lessons. Alot of the episodes you people say have bad lessons, often have GOOD lessons. It's just that you guys are so pissed that you can't discern what is or isn't appropriate on a social level if it becomes too complex. You're like babies who need to have shit spelled out in the plainest way possible. Even then, many of you will reject some of these lessons because alot here tend towards total narcissism and emotional immaturity. They're good lessons, bro. You're just autistic. Now the actual bad lessons starts around into s4 and get worse. The way the changelings were handled later on, for example, is hilariously sandwiching a good lesson (love should be shared) between a terrible lesson (ugly people have no love inside of them) and secretly a racist one.
>>42873274>Mare-Do-Well"Don't be an arrogant gloryhound/Don't hog the spotlight especially in a crisis" is a great lesson, but do we really need to start flanderizing Rainbow Dash this early? She's always been the jerk jock but this episode was and is hard for me to watch.>Friend in DeedYou think "Hey girls, everyone owes you friendship! Your self worth is only as good as the number of superficial facebook 'friends' you have!" is a good lesson? Pinkie Pie spends the ENTIRE episode harassing an old man who wants nothing to do with her because she can't accept the idea that she and him are just not compatible.
>>42873325>Flanderizing rainbow I wouldn't call it that. I get the temptation, but this is actually a great character analysis for her as a member of the cast. Rewatch the episode and pay attention to it. The most significant part of this is that she says;"I hate being alone...." THAT tells you EVERYTHING about her as a character and it aligns her early arrogance we see in episodes like boast busters perfectly. This isn't flanderization. I get the impulse to call it that, even the discomfort, but it's not bad. It's good. It shows us that rainbow dash's need to impress others comes from a place of loneliness. So the lesson here not only is "do good things simply to do good things, without hogging spotlight". It's also "you don't need to be the in the spotlight to not be lonely". (This is IMHO what makes her joining wonderbolts later on feel like so much of a betrayal)>Friend in deedThis is a weird reading, because the episode is explicitly saying what you pick up here- nobody OWES you friendship. If you want to make friends, sometimes you need to respect boundaries and leave something alone. Again, similar character analysis going on here. We're seeing the thread woven in party of one (pinkie has a need to feel useful by serving other and being their friend) get tested and shown as being unhelpful and counterintuitive to her goal. Pinkies goal is shown as being successful once she A) provides cranky with what he actually needs, which isn't her, but matilaB) respects his boundaries and leaves him alone with matilda.The end of the lesson here also shows that different friendships blossom in different ways. Pinkie isn't always owed a smile or happy voice. Cranky is just cranky and that's alright. If he's happy that's enough. The lesson pinkie learns is sometimes the other person just wants peace and to leave them the hell alone. That said, IMHO, could have been written better. But that is the lesson (attempted) to be shown.
>>42869419>Many appreciate FiM because Equestria represents a utopia in comparison to our bleak and corrupt Earth.literally anything is better than the big shithole we live in Anon
>>42873654>>42873325>>42873274>>42869419>FlanderizationIt's not flanderization. Mare-Do-Well is literally just a repeat of how Rainbow Dash acted in Fall Weather Friends. The aggressive, overly defensive and competitive response she had to Mare-Do-Well's presence is exactly the same as the one she had to Applejack when she was the 'threat'. It's not ooc or flanderization, it's exactly in line with how she reacted to a competitive threat on previous occasions.>>42872461This anon has it right. Most of the hate for this episode is just Dashfags endlessly bitching about Dash's ego and cuntiness not being blindly tolerated by every other character in the show for the first time. Reading through any of the endless Mare-Do-Well fixfics will show you how much of a massive double standard most of the people who hate this episode really have.
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>>42869448no she didn't
