These three learning that friendship is good while working together to destroy it would have made a great plot for a little girls show. Do you think that the fact that they never reform is a mature take on the reality where evil intentions and appreciation for others are not mutually exclusive or just sub-60 iq writing?
>>42896471I don't care about s9 enough to answer your question but Chryssi looks really cute there
>>42896471Some people don't want to be redeemed. That's the entire point of these three being stoned.
How many season-finale-tier antagonists outside of these three actually get reformed, anyway?>SnootyKinda-sorta; it was less like turning an evil pony good and more like slapping an already-good pony out of a mental episode.>DiscordHighly debatable. He never really changed.>SombraNope.>GlimmySure.>StygianWho?
>>42896471I've seen a few different justifications for their stoning but I don't think any of them are written good enough to be intentional. Their whole scene at the end of Frenemies is either solid proof that they can be redeemed or solid proof that they don't want to be redeemed, depending on who you're talking to. If S9 were written well, there wouldn't be an exact opposite divide on what the writer is trying to say.My biggest problem with the trio's treatment is that literally four episodes prior to being turned to stone, Ahuizotl is redeemed because "EVERYBODY deserves kindness". What kindness did they give to Tirek, exactly?
>>42896508They werent given a chance to refuse. Also, none of the redeemed villains wanted to be redeemed at first.
>>42896984You know theres an often repeated trend in fiction of some characters being so devoid of any amount of compassion, empathy, regret, happiness or capacity for appreciating life. The M3 fall into this category. Now whether those traits are written in a believable, compelling or even fun way is irrelevant, but this is how they are. If you let them go, they present the risk of coming back stronger and having them spurn help 24/7 wastes time. So stone them or kill them or imprison them like they were before.
The year was 2019 and the coolest thing you could do as a writer was subvert expectations.
>>42896471Its difficult. Were this not an idyllic world where friendship can solve anything, I would say the lesson is fine. Because in reality there are toxic people who never change. Who take your kindness and offer none in return. Just broken people. IrredeemableBut I still maintain that the feel of the show was ruined by introducing the frailty, fallen nature of our real world into it. Next they'd tackle rape, murder, war, genocide etc. Pony never should have been this dark.
>>42897508I feel like that lesson is taught by Sombrero in S9. He doesn't reform and gets his shit slapped again. He and discord should've been the example to teach the others 'either reform and hang out or don't and taste the rainbow'
>>42897508>But I still maintain that the feel of the show was ruined by introducing the frailty, fallen nature of our real world into it.Same
>>42896984>chrysalis had the chance to redeem after getting curbstomped by starlight glimmer>she refused>cozy glow had the chance to redeem after school raze>she refused>tirek was always evil and had no reason to want redemption
>>42897462They all had multiple opportunities to kill their opponents, which they didn't do. And really, this goes for any reformed villain prior to their rehabilitation. Just because they acted evil hardly makes them unfit for a second chance, especially with the logic of the show prior.>If you let them go, No, actually help them reform and be a better person. Don't just give up on them.>>42897558>chrysalis had the chance to redeem after getting curbstomped by starlight glimmerProbably the best argument, but it was still one offer, right after her defeat, without any attempts to actually convince her. Compare this to all the chances Discord got despite literally mocking the Main 6 for trying to reform him.>cozy glow had the chance to redeem after school razeIncorrect. No one offered her a chance to reform nor did they even so much as attempt to help her see the error of her ways. All Twilight said was that she was wrong, then the other students called her bad. That's all. There was no chance offered.>tirek was always evil and had no reason to want redemptionAgain, no attempt to reform him. Discord was also always evil before the show as far as we know, and was given plenty of chances.
