Post Season 1 ponies always acted more mean spirited, amoral and sociopathic to each other and it never made any sense. Its not like they live on and had to adapt to the life on this hellhole world we are in now.
fuck me, spitfire is so fucking hot, god damn
>>42915757Based!
>>42915757Spitfire's presence is so dominant that she constantly molests ponies and nobody minds.
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>>42915887I hope she spits in my mouth.
>>42915887Based.
tfw no mean, amoral sociopathic mare gf
>>42916227She's right here, anon!
>>42915745I don't understand why they characterized her as a shitty leader and asshole later on. She's a cool pony but it's a shame that she was stuck with a shitty personality.
>>42916826Just like nintey percent of all other recurring characters, they intentionally fucked her up beyond repair and with no hope of fixing her because the writers were too retarded to figure out how to write a contrastingly militaristic but chill and easy-going leader. Lightning Dust's episode was only her third real appearance and it was already the nail in the coffin.
>>42915887>"You shouldn't touch that plug, Anon.">"No, seriously, you might break something like you usually do.">"Something on my face? C'mon, just put it back in and we can go play cards with Fleetfoot like you promised me!"
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>>42917284Hwat?!
>>42916826Spitfire isnt really much of a character, even some ugly yak or Poochie got more development and episodes. The fact her entire characterization is just “drill sergeant” is boring.
>>42918162Agreed. She should've been more fleshed out. She could've taught Rainbow Dash something useful.
>>42918162It really is a shame. Even the fanon about her is kind of lacking.
>>42918551>>42918162>>42916826>>42918588Yea, I think Spitfire's characterization is another victim of the writers making Dash TOO hot in the early seasons. She should have been talented but unskilled and lacking training, that way her interactions in the Wonderbolts episodes like Wonderbolt Academy would have been about her actually learning from them and improving as a stunt flier, instead of already being better than them and it being the Wonderbolts who learn from her example. As it stands though since Dash was already so great, there wasn't really a way to have conflict in the episodes other than making Spitfire and the Wonderbolts look bad.People like to glaze the Faust seasons alot, but she really did screw up majorly when it came to RD's development. When you give a character a goal of aspiring to be part of some organization of masters at a specific craft, you don't start that character off as already being better than her idols at the very start. It completely defeats the purpose of having an arc. I honestly can't even blame the later writers as shitty as they may have been for fucking up Dash episodes, because Faust really didn't lay a good foundation for her.Dash and the Wonderbolts both suffered crappy episodes because Lauren made her too great at the start when she should have been more of a novice. As a consequence the Wonderbolts constantly look stupid and incompetent because they CAN'T be better than RD, despite the fact that they should be better than her.
>>42918597Its simple: Dash should've never been a WB. Like how TBNE subverted their expectations, there should've been an episode showing how her arrogance and raw speed isn't Wonderbolt material and never will be. A pony who thinks they're the best at everything is a recipe for disaster, give her some humility not validation.
>>42919017Ironic part is that's exactly what Wonderbolt Academy could have done if it hadn't removed her brashness and impatience and grafted them onto another character for just that episode. Instead of punishing RD for those flaws, the writers just pretended they didn't exist for an episode and had another character be punished for them instead, and then RD goes right back to being brash and impatient the moment it's no longer an obstacle for her. Wonderbolt Academy really is one of the biggest examples of OOC writing in the series, but people don't like to admit that because in this situation the OOC writing actually makes her more likable and helps her get what she wants.Same with Testing 1,2,3. Instead of her flaws making so she's just not Wonderbolt material, everyone else finds a workaround so she can learn the information without having to change or get over her flaws.
>>42918597I mean, I don't think Faust ever intended for her to join the Wonderbolts and the example episode in the show pitch makes it clear.>rainbow dash has to choose between saving scootaloo and impressing the wonderbolts, she chooses scootalooThat's the arc she was going for, at least in my opinion. Rainbow Dash has amazing talent but ultimately has to choose what matters more to her, and she's going to choose her friends over the Wonderbolts.
>>42919114That would actually make sense for an Element of Loyalty
>>42919308Sure would!
>>42919308Idk, some of her most disloyal moments were under Fausts directing.
>>42916826I'm going to be that contrarian and say it was refreshing seeing a secondary character end up with a deeply flawed personality. Fans are biased when giving every character they like the same perfect and likeable personalities and it gets...boring. Spit's name and looks have an edge fitting of a bully in her filly years. She's the popular girl, a smooth talker that naturally attracts followers, and is careful to manipulate others without being negatively perceived. It's a believable part of how she climbed the ranks, and is why she initially rewards Dust. Take her inviting Dash into her gala clique only to ignore her for the elites all night. Then her dumping Soarin for a chance to win the gold, with her Silver Spoon, Fleetfoot, encouraging her all the way. She's not very concerned beyond her own success until somebody makes her look bad, so whether she seriously reflects on Dash's words or says whatever in the moment to save face is really up in the air. If Wonderbolt Academy was squeezed into s1 after Best Night Ever, her antagonistic nature and potential redemptions would probably be delved into much more in fanon.
>>42915745Twilight was a condescending snarky snob, Dash is top cunt in every way, Pinkie is a narcissistic attention whore, Rarity was a vapid gold digging slut, Luna turned into a bloodthirsty psychopath over something trivially retarded, Trixie is Trixie, and all the Spike abuse.Faust leaned into mean spiritedness because of old timey cartoons like Looney Tunes being one of her inspirations. Lots of boomer cartoons have characters being amoral and sociopathic to each other because it's very funny and entertaining.Why do you zoom zooms have pathetically thin skins anyway?>ponies r bein mean WAAH WAAAAH dey hurt my feelings>i hate my life da world is bad i wanna escape It's a silly cartoon with silly ponies, grow the fuck up or go watch Barney if you want a boring sterile non-offensive world where everyone babies you.
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>>42920183I'm just not entertained by characters being flagrant cunts constantly. Boomers are notoriously the most hated generation by everyone, so I don't think bringing up their taste in entertainment is going to make any of it look better.>grow the fuck up or go watch Barney if you want a boring sterile non-offensive world where everyone babies you.You do know you can have interesting and complex stories without making all your characters massive cunts for no reason, right? Having to make every character an aggressive dumbass to make everything work just makes me think you're a bad writer. If this is all the show is supposed to be, then I'm starting to suspect that the show was good in spite of Lauren Faust, and not because of her.
>>42920693Any generation is said to be the most notoriously hated generation by everyone not in that generation.>thinks every character is a badly written aggressive dumbass>still calls the show goodHoly hasdrone, at least fans of the fandom will admit they don't like the show.
>>42920765Nigga you're the one who started describing more than half of the main as characters psychotic bitches, not me.
>>42920779I wasn't the same anon, but people can find psychotic bitches well written and enjoyable. If you're not agreeing that they're psychotic bitches, then there's nothing to suspect about Lauren's writing.
>>42919652A dickhead character either needs some redeeming qualities, their just desserts or the nature of their show needs to be one completely devoted to some level of surrealism, satire or gags. Spitfire never changing along with Dash, and both characters being rewarded for their faults is a poor form of writing. The show isn't some Adult Swim skit or South Park so its not like them being amoral cunts is normality either. This is why people like The Best Night Ever, because all of the Mane Six's selfish chicanery gets rewarded with gags and failure. They deserved it because their reasonings for going to the GGG were hollow and vain.
>>42920961Spitfire got her just deserts when Dash made her look bad. Her redeeming quality is she's quick to own up when she's in the wrong. The show isn't some full time Brother's Grimm aesop. Spitfire is a secondary character, a complex obstacle, neither villain nor hero. We don't need to see the gates of hell open below her or Suri Pollomare to have a good story told.>spending time with your beloved mentor is hollow and vain.>making money to support your family is hollow and vain>befriending animals is hollow and vain>having fun at a party is hollow and vainThe only two that come close to being hollow and vain are Rarity and Rainbow Dash, yet I wouldn't consider career networking and soulmate searching to be deserving of any karmic punishments. I liked The Best Night Ever because it's about making the most of a crummy situation with friends, not because the universe punished them for doing nothing wrong. If their nights went as planned, they'd have had a good time with zero regrets, except for Spike who went with no gala related aspirations. Celestia even rewards the girls with praise for their antics.
>>42915745Third episode of the whole program, the first one-off episode, is about the whole town swarming Twilight becauee they want her shiny paper.
>>42915887It's her year.
>>42921129>Spitfire got her just deserts when Dash made her look bad. Her redeeming quality is she's quick to own up when she's in the wrongThats not a just deserts thats saving face. Happens multiple times in WB themed episodes where they basically show how big of an asshole they can be on an individual basis. >We don't need to see the gates of hell open below her or Suri Pollomare to have a good story toldNot what I'm saying at all but jerk characters usually are humbled in some fashion or humiliated.>yet I wouldn't consider career networking and soulmate searching to be deserving of any karmic punishmentsAll of their goals at the Gala were selfish. Why would rich nobles want carnival apple food? Twilight can see Celestia anytime she wants outside the GGG. Fluttershy has animal friends and Pinkie Pie was acting obnoxious in a cultured setting. They were inserting their own nonsense into a setting they had no basis to.
>>42921908>jerk characters usually are humbled in some fashion or humiliated.In feel good happy ending fairy tales, sure. Suri will go on to be a trend setting success because that's a hard truth, and that adds weight to Rarity's decision to not chase success in the same way.>Why would rich nobles want carnival apple food? Season 6, Spice Up Your Life.>Twilight can see Celestia anytime she wants outside the GGG.She can also see her friends any time outside the GGG.>Fluttershy has animal friendsNot those animals. There's always room for more friends and new experiences.>Pinkie Pie was acting obnoxious in a cultured setting.She was hoping to have fun with ponies that, unbeknownst to her, hate fun.>They were inserting their own nonsense into a setting they had no basis to.Celestia inserted it, on purpose, because the gala actually fucking sucks.
>>42921933>that adds weight to Rarity's decision to not chase success in the same way.Nta, but Rarity doesn't do that? She does still chase her career and ends up far more successful in it than Suri, who we never hear of again after that. Rarity doesn't even lose the contest of that episode to Suri by refusing to stoop to her level, Rarity wins it and is the more successful designer. There wasn't really a choice being made here, nor is there really any hard truth.
>>42921941"In the same way", as in she doesn't chase success by looking out for herself at the expense of others. The choice being made was to forfeit the contest in favor of apologizing to her friends. Just because the universe aligned with Coco turning on Suri doesn't undo that.>who we never hear of again after thatWhat we're both doing here is speculating. She could be broke on the streets, or the mayor of Manehattan for all we know. What we do know is that her methods got results, as long as any underlings don't step out of line.
>>42915745It's hard to create conflicts without an antagonist who's unequivocably in the wrong.Now that you mention it, this might be the X-factor for why I've grown to like Season 1 more than any other. Most of the time, nothing is too over the top. Everyone acts more or less like real people, just put through a mild layer of child-friendly writing.That's what makes Pinkie Pie so special. She's the only one to break out of that mold, and until Winter Wrap up, she's the only one who got any sort of spontaneous musical numbers.There's only so many times you can write characters who go through misunderstandings, or who just don't communicate well enough, or even just have a simple disagreement that is solved after an honest conversation.It's a lot easier to write Lightning Dust as just a huge asshole than to write Applejack and Rainbow Dash taking a simple contest too far, with one resorting to unfair tactics to not bruise her ego, then the other stooping down to the same level in order to get back at her.
>>42915745>Post Season 1 poniesOctavia is a season 1 pony
>>42921908>They were inserting their own nonsense into a setting they had no basis to.NTA but none of the mane 6 have morally wrong motivations in The Best Night Ever. None of them even do anything wrong except Rainbow and Pinkie not respecting other ponies' personal space, and maybe Fluttershy's recklessness in driving the animals into the Gala. If you're claiming their goals are "selfish" only because they're self-interested, then basically anything anyone does for fun or any career goal could be construed as "selfish". Fluttershy wanted to see the exotic plants and animals in the garden. This is hardly different from wanting to visit the zoo, except this one is fancy and special. Applejack wanted to sell apple snacks to support her family. This is the same motivation of nearly everyone who holds a job. Rarity wanted to fall in love with the prince because she was chasing the dream of a fairytale romance. That's no more selfish than anyone chasing any romance, and throughout the whole episode she never does anything bad to anypony. Rainbow Dash wanted to hang out with her idols, which again isn't selfish, and the Wonderbolts never wronged her back, either. If you paid attention, they never deliberately blew her off; they're just celebrities and kept getting pulled around by other ponies. Pinkie was being a sperg and breaking social rules, but she obviously wasn't intending to cause trouble and was just trying to help ponies have fun. Touching other ponies without their consent might be morally wrong, but acting obnoxious isn't some kind of sin. Twilight had the exact same problem Rainbow had, and neither her nor Celestia did anything wrong. Again, it was just poor circumstances. None of the mane 6 needed to be "humbled", and none of the other ponies in Best Night Ever were jerks except Blueblood. The moral of the episode was never "know your place and stay out of where you don't belong". It was "sometimes, even if you do everything right, things don't turn out the way you want, but friendship is more reliable and important than having everything go your way". I wouldn't have even written such a long post if The Best Night Ever weren't one of my favourite episodes, and you totally misunderstood it.
>>42922000>with one resorting to unfair tactics to not bruise her ego, then the other stooping down to the same level in order to get back at her.I still think this episode has such an asinine take. I don't see how you can justify not stooping to that level when there were no consequences for being on that level in the first place. No one else cared about the unfair tactics but AJ when it was just Dash doing it, but someone starts doing it back and now all of a sudden it's a problem?Bullshit. Every other time a conflict of this type is done in the series, it presents the character in Rainbow's position as entirely in the wrong. It's retarded to treat these two as an equal moral offense when one party is only retaliating after being pushed numerous times. It's the type of thing you only see here because Lauren had a soft spot for Dash that later writers didn't, and so gave her extra leeway. So other characters are now just as bad as her because they don't have the patience of literal saints and let her get away with anything out of pure and unreciprocated good will.
>>42915757Hottest mare in all of Equestria
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>>42915745>Its not like they live on and had to adapt to the life on this hellhole world we are in now.Yeah let's forget about the evil shape shifting bugs, giant pony killing wood wolves, asshole giant dragons and deadly magical forest.
I think an aspect of Spitfire that gets overlooked too often is her apparent favoritism for Rainbow Dash. She kicked Lightning Dust out of the academy rather than giving her a serious coaching just to appease RD and keep her from quitting the Wonderbolts. She forced her second-in-command to fake an injury and withdraw from the Equestria Games qualifiers just to get a fucking academy cadet to fly with them despite the fact that RD was already on Ponyville's team. When RD became an official reservist she was immediately placed on the top of the reservist list to become a Wonderbolt, who knows how many reservists she skipped over who were in longer than her (granted she got a perfect score on the entrance exam and character merit is a part of consideration). Then when she became an official Wonderbolt, she changed her first show's routine, risked the safety of herself and the team by putting them in the danger of a storm cloud, and flew out of formation to showboat, all without even speaking to her leadership beforehand. Spitfire says to this that she's kicked Wonderbolts out for less yet RD gets to stay. How is Rainbow Dash even supposed to learn when the only ponies that she'll truly listen to won't discipline her? And even worse, they often have to learn from her.
>>42925416>I think an aspect of Spitfire that gets overlooked too often is her apparent favoritism for Rainbow Dash. She kicked Lightning Dust out of the academy rather than giving her a serious coaching just to appease RD and keep her from quitting the Wonderbolts. She forced her second-in-command to fake an injury and withdraw from the Equestria Games qualifiers just to get a fucking academy cadet to fly with them despite the fact that RD was already on Ponyville's team. When RD became an official reservist she was immediately placed on the top of the reservist list to become a Wonderbolt, who knows how many reservists she skipped over who were in longer than her (granted she got a perfect score on the entrance exam and character merit is a part of consideration). Then when she became an official Wonderbolt, she changed her first show's routine, risked the safety of herself and the team by putting them in the danger of a storm cloud, and flew out of formation to showboat, all without even speaking to her leadership beforehand. Spitfire says to this that she's kicked Wonderbolts out for less yet RD gets to stay. How is Rainbow Dash even supposed to learn when the only ponies that she'll truly listen to won't discipline her? And even worse, they often have to learn from her.I asked grok what this means and it called me gay
>>42924745>Yeah let's forget about the evil shape shifting bugs, giant pony killing wood wolves, asshole giant dragons and deadly magical forest.There are no such things in real world.
>>42925416>kicked Lightning Dust out of the academy rather than giving her a serious coachingThis happens when you are a bitch to everyone around you. Nobody liked her, so nobody wanted to give her a second chance to stick around.>Be Dash>save Equestria multiple times with a magic rock>save Wonderbolts from death after the entire team of "pros" gets KO-ed by one dainty unicorn>best friends with the highest authority on friendship in the landSpitfire is the student. Rainbow is the master.
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>>42925416Stop poking holes in a shit episode with bad characters it makes the board confused.
>>42925454You're forgetting that the Wonderbolts rewarded Lightning Dust's shitty behavior. The academy is a training environment; it's a place to wring out bad habits and shitty attitudes by discipline and growth. Cadets are expected to fail and learn and come out the other side a different pegasus than who they came in as. The fact they they rewarded her reckless behavior means that she would've continued if RD didn't call out her and the Wonderbolts' bullshit. She should've been given a second chance because the Wonderbolts' egged her recklessness on. Rather than taking accountability for that, they pinned the whole blame on her, kicked her out to make themselves look good and keep their favorite cadet, and as a result Lightning Dust learned nothing. You know RD would pull the same kind of bullshit too albeit in a less douchey way. This certainly wouldn't the first time this kind of situation occurred in the academy.>but muh realismPonies are a more forgiving race than humans are.>the restFair enough..
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>>42925478>Cadets are expected to fail and learn and come out the other side a different pegasus than who they came in asEven by real world standards this doesn't happen. Look at how comically inept the Wonderbolts are, getting knocked out by a flailing Rarity a unicorn who sits on her ass knitting 24/7 or getting stuck in a water tower by an infant dragon who grew to maybe 30 feet and was obsessed with junk.
>>42925781>getting knocked out by a flailing Rarity a unicorn who sits on her ass knitting 24/7B-but anon! Hooves are so hard and they hurt!!>t. Wonderbolt O-4
>>42925478Sabotaging half of your class for failure and rubbing it in their faces isn't a bad habit, nor is the Wonderbolts the right environment for correcting it. You're talking like it's the marines, or bootcamp for juvenile delinquents, when it's a highly esteemed training program for an elite air force squad. The Wonderbolts were blind to the problems Dust was causing until Dash told them.
>>42926169>a highly esteemed training program for an elite air force squad.>The Wonderbolts were blind to the problems Dust was causing until Dash told them.Pick one
>>42925478>You know RD would pull the same kind of bullshit too albeit in a less douchey wayShe literally has done it in episodes both before and after this one. It really is just this episode that RD is written like this because otherwise she should have been kicked out too. The only difference between RD and LD is that RD has plot armor to insulate her from the consequences of her actions.
>>42925425Oh you'd think so
>>42925473>Stop poking holes in a shit episode with bad characters it makes the board confused.So every Rainbow Dash and Wonderbolts episode?
>>42925416There's quite a few character traits that got overlooked by the narrative and usually go ignored by the fandom too, this is far from the only example. Like Dash's habit of always blaming problems on other ponies to avoid personal responsibility for them. Or Applejack being anxious in big cities. Or how Pinkie Pie can be just as prideful and stubborn as Dash or AJ.Most people tend to simplify them alot it seems.
>>42926351No. If one pony is a dangerous backstabbing bitch, then she gets outed by the other more deserving candidates. The job requires teamwork, so the system works.
>>42926718But RD was complicit in making the tornado, she didn't stop LD from doing it like you would expect a wingman to do, she only turned around and bitched about it after it went badly. So RD is just as dangerous and deserving of being kicked out too.
>>42915757>>42915782Fuck, she might be my first fap of 2026.
>>42926718>The Wonderbolts, a highly esteemed training program for an elite air force squad, were blind to the problems Dust was causing until Dash told them.Anon, I...
>>42926758>didn't stop LD from doing it like you would expect a wingman to doDo you think a wing pony and lead pony are just meaningless titles for an equal team effort, and that Dash was bothered over getting wingpony because it sounds lame? A wing pony follows orders from the lead pony. Lead pony has final say, but takes full responsibility. It's chain of command.>>42926827I'm not apologizing for what the show literally presents on screen as fact.
>>42926851If we're going to shift blame up the chain of command, then it's Spitfire who should be removed from her position for not overseeing the recruits enough and allowing incidents like this to take place.>that Dash was bothered over getting wingpony because it sounds lame?That's exactly why she was bothered by it lol.
>>42926851>I'm not apologizing for episode being shit.Yet you still defending it.
>>42926864> If we're going to shift blame up the chain of command, then it's Spitfire who should be removed from her position for not overseeing the recruits A harsh truth few are enlightened enough to accept.
>>42926864>it's Celestia's fault that I got kicked out of bootcamp for starting a food fightThe thread is quickly surpassing Dashfag, Trixfag, and FlimFlamfag levels of dindu combined. >That's exactly why she was bothered by it lol.Kek, fair for retard Dash memes.>>42926900Because I don't think it's shit, you do.
>>42926915Yes, because as you acknowledged, Wonderbolts are being simultaneously presented as an elite force and retards. Dash is acting OOC, and Lightning Dust is being punished for similar stuff that Dash was doing before this episode, yet she didn't face any consequences for it.
>>42926926>Lightning Dust is being punished for similar stuff that Dash was doing before this episode, yet she didn't face any consequences for it.Before AND after, see Newbie Dash or Non-Compete Clause.
>>42926926I don't consider missing a recruit trip her fellow cadets at the far end of the obstacle course retarded.>Dash is OOCDisagree.>Dash is never punishedI guess she's that much more easier to get along with than Thundercunt. Friendship really IS magic.
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Spitfire also doesn't give a shit about the safety of the cadets. She saw that Rainbow Dash hurt her wing and sneered at RD when RD was hesitant about flying again. She compelled a cadet to ignore an injury. She failed to recognize that LD was being a shitty wingpony and leader by not offering support or guidance to her wingpony/subordinate's clear injury, reflecting poor teamwork and reckless disregard for safety. If a cadet was seriously injured, that would fall on Spitfire's shoulders for facilitating an environment that disregards safety and rewards being a cunt.>"How did you bust the clouds?">"We created a highly dangerous natural disaster and unleashed it upon the training grounds.">"Cool!"How fucking inept do you have to be to not notice your trainees create a fucking tornado and nearly kill civilians while also endangering other cadets and Wonderbolts staff? Rainbow Dash wasn't innocent because she was OOC in this episode and had plot armor. Lightning Dust wasn't innocent because she was a shitty wingpony, actively knocked down other cadets, and disregarded safety. Spitfire wasn't innocent because she encouraged Lightning Dust's attitude and rewarded her disregard for safety. She also let her favoritism stop her from addressing the situation properly and she didn't take accountability.>>42926864>>42926904These.
>>42927175>she sneeredRaised a questioning eyebrow.>LD was being a shitty wingpony and leaderLead pony. DYEWTS?>"We created a highly dangerous natural disaster and unleashed it upon the training grounds."Pegasi naturally use hurricanes to funnel water to clouds. Spitfire wasn't given the specifics for how big the tornado was, how many pegasi worked to control it, and if it was controlled in a safe enough manner at all when she said "Cool!"
>>42927298You're still tap dancing around the fact that RD was complicit in making the tornado and only turned on LD afterwards when it went badly and put all the blame on her, conveniently leaving out her own involvement when describing the situation to Spitfire. If we're saying cadets who are "a dangerous backstabbing bitch" need to be kicked out, then that means RD. Since she's shown she'll be on board with any bad or poorly thought out idea, only to put all the blame on somepony else if it backfires. She's the one backstabbing here.
>>42927362Not tap dancing around anything. If RD refused to follow her lead pony's orders, then she would be reprimanded for not playing her role as wing pony. RD had to wait for her lead pony to shoot herself in the hoof to act.RD backstabbing the pony that backstabbed half the class, because she reported the truth. Gotta say I don't see your version as anywhere in the right.
>>42927420But she didn't report the truth. She wasn't waiting for LD to 'shoot herself in the hoof', she was totally on board with the plan until it went badly, and then left out that she was involved with the tornado and said it was entirely LD's doing. Dash approved of it too until it was inconvenient.
>>42927427>"Lightning Dust decided to use a tornado"Truth. >until it was inconvenientYou mean until Lightning Dust lost control of her own plan? Who knows, maybe Dust was talented enough to control a tornado safely, maybe she did it a hundred times before. How should Dash know? LD's the lead pony, and she lead Dash into a plan that LD herself couldn't handle.
>>42927457>>"Lightning Dust decided to use a tornado"Yea, no mention that she herself also okayed it and aided with it's creation.>LD's the lead pony, and she lead Dash into a plan that LD herself couldn't handle.But the wingpony isn't supposed to blindly go along with everything. If LD is going to do something that will endanger others, then RD is obligated to not go along with it and report her. If RD really was just waiting for LD to do something that could get her kicked out, then that makes RD even more of a conniving bitch than LD is, because it means she's entirely willing to risk the safety of others in the pursuit of letting her rival do something that will allow her to take her place.RD backstabbed the rest of the class in going along with a dangerous plan, then backstabbed LD when doing so would advance her own goal, and Spitfire goes along with all of it out of favoritism, even refusing to kick RD out in the future when she ended up doing the same thing anyway.
>>42927470Did you miss the part where I said she had no way of knowing LD's tornado would be dangerous? Tornados are safe to perform under the right conditions.>she's entirely willing to risk the safety of others in the pursuit of letting her rival do something that will allow her to take her place.Goodluck telling your supervisor what to do and hoping you still have a job after.
>>42927505>she had no way of knowing LD's tornado would be dangerous? Tornados are safe to perform under the right conditions.Well if RD has no way of knowing it's going to be that dangerous, then neither does LD. So now we're just punishing cadets for variables beyond their control? It's just a roll of the dice whether or not a maneuver is okay? No one was actually hurt by the tornado, everyone made it out fine, she's being kicked out because of the potential that someone could have been injured. So if the potential for injury is all it takes, then that's all that RD needs to refuse to along with it and report her.If RD is unable to determine whether something like this is going to be dangerous before doing it, then maybe she shouldn't be a Wonderbolt either, because that just means she's going to do the same thing when she comes up with a plan she think will work out fine.
>>42927513No? It's not a variable beyond her control, because tornados can be controlled by pegasi. LD should've known whether or not she could handle her own plan, and that makes her reckless. If LD never lost control, then RD would criticized for not following orders.
Spitfire would have the Wonderbolts beat you to near death for besmirching her name and commanding style.
>>42927298Spitfire still didn't intervene when it was clear that RD was injured.>Lead pony. DYEWTS?Wingpony as in buddy, not title. Your leader is supposed to be a good wingman too.
>>42927916If she were limping all over the place all day, then yeah it'd be an obvious oversight on Spit's behalf. I don't think it was meant to be the case. Not every cadet that trips and shakes off some scrape or bruise is a booboo that needs checking out. Rainbow is an adult, and Spitfire giving a questioning look should be enough of an opening for Dash to determine if it's serious enough to ask to go to the infirmary, though in the context of the writing it was an opening to raise a complaint about Dust's leadership.
>>42922526>>42925468I wouldn't even last a minute
>>42918588Ask Firestarter Spitfire?
>>42919652trying to screencap more posts I like, and this one is definitely going in that folder
>>42928499Spitstuck. It went absolutely nowhere lel.
>>42927942Still, Lightning Dust should be reprimanded instead of being discharged since we know that RD's similar actions were just reprimanded, ignored, or even rewarded. So this seems unfair to LD and comes off as blatant RD favoritism by Spitfire.
>>42928551well when youre doing a riff on two things that were already forces in their own right, its hard to live up to that.plus I feel like tumblr askblogs were more about experimentation and fun, unless you wanted to do something more with it, and alf the time that second part only developed over time.
>>42928499>>42928706>firestarteri want to workout with captainhoers spitfire
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>>42930036I regret not buying this plushie for $25 when I had the chance.
>>42930695$25? Man that is really cheap.
>>42930924>>42930695Here's hoping Symbiote does a Spitty plush instead.
>>42930924Onlyfactory plushies were usually sold for that price or less. They were godtier plushies for how cheap they were
>>42930940I really hope we get one in her coat and sunglasses (hopefully removable too). It's such a cool look.
>>42928581I think theres some level of dissonance in the show thats either intentional or not, when you have Lightning Dusts entire livelihood ruined for a brash mistake and attitude, but Discord is automatically forgiven for betraying the entire nation or world of Equestria, not once, not twice but THREE times when he was “reformed.” Or Starlight being given constant slaps on the hooves for her post reformation actions like mind control or other nonsense.
>>42931770Discord is a major blunder in the show, but I still think it's weird to compare saturday morning villains to a normal dude with a normal job. Discord and Starlight aren't adults with livelihoods, they're full time students in Sparkle's kindergarten. There's no lower for them to go but prison, and you don't do that to the extremely autistic kid making an effort (Glimmer), and the all powerful manchild that got a taste of his own medicine for the one treason commited (Discord). Since the show favors friendship and redemption, all Lightning Dust had to do was suck up her pride and cry about how hard it is to make friends, tell Spitfire how she was only trying to impress her, and then apologize while promising to do better. She'd immediately be given the royal princess pass for second chances and free hugs. Instead she chose blackjack and hookers.
>>42932150The show is about being sorry for what you have done and showing remorse or desire to do good now, and because of this, being forgiven or given a second/another chance rather than differentiating actions as super good > good > neutral > bad > super bad and then rewarding or punishing them, which leads to very stupid things like Discord , Trixie, RD, LD, Glimmer, the Flim-Flam brothers, and even Applejack or Rarity.
>>42932349I don't remember Applejack or Rarity doing anything that bad. The worst thing I can think of is the one episode where Rarity is possessed by a book or something, and she's possessed so it can't really be held against her.
>>42932150If you can forgive a chaos entity for unleashing evil and betraying his friends numerous times, or a psychopath unicorn for tormenting entire timelines, mind-controlling ponies three times and otner nonsense, you can let something like LD get off with at best a reprimanding. Hell Dash destroyed a weather factory, the livelihood of her own kind and it gets laughed off.
>>42932375I meant that Rarity and RD often commit bad actions yet aren't punished for them, while at the same time, Applejack is committing good deeds yet isn't rewarded or is even punished because of them. For example, in "Ticket Master," Applejack wants to go to the Grand Galloping Gala to earn money for her grandma's hip surgery (a good deed), yet she is treated as a bad friend because she is trying to convince Twilight Sparkle to choose her as the pony who Twilight will take with her to the GGG. Meanwhile, RD in " Fall Weather Friends" isn't punished for her bad actions, for which she didn't even apologize ; Applejack did. Even if AJ apologized for both of them, she's still portrayed as much a victim as she is an instigator.
>>42932434Ah, I see what you mean. Yea the show did have a habit of making Applejack shoulder the responsibility of other pony's fuck ups. She's the only character I can think who's positive qualities are regularly treated as bad things that she's punished for, so she's pretty regularly forced into lose-lose situations. Like you pointed out with Fall Weather Friends, Applejack plays honestly and in good faith, and gets nothing but burned for it the entire time, and when she gets sick of it and finally fights back, now she's just as in the wrong as Rainbow Dash, who no one had a problem with earlier, and now AJ has to apologize for both of them while RD's slights against AJ go completely ignored by everyone. Across the series she's easily the character that the writers treated as being the one other characters could kick dirt on the most, to the point that antagonists are considered antagonists for treating other characters the way that everyone else treats Applejack. She's more or less the only one that the characters were allowed to shit on and it wouldn't be considered bad.
>>42928581>>42931770Luna gets her princess title reinstated immediately after two counts of treason then Twilight mind controls half the town and gets to keep her comfy position.The lesson is just that you have to feel remorse and try to do better. That's why Dust and Cozy don't get the same benefit.
>>42932753>>42932349This
>>42932753Are you counting her banishment and return as two counts of treason? Because that's really more like one coup postponed with a rain check and a free exorcism .
>>42932753>>42932771But Dust wasn't even given a chance to be remorseful, she was immediately kicked out when RD threatened to quit. Plus other ponies get let off the hook for stuff they didn't really express remorse over either, so that's not the deciding factor.It really is just protagonist centered morality where certain characters are given free passes regardless of what they do.
>>42932789She totally did have a chance, immediately after fucking things up with the tornado and getting scorned by Dash and the entire class. There wasn't an ounce of remorse in her "yeah, and?" Instead she got pissy and said nah I'm right while appealing to authority, which hilariously backfires since she put it in Rainbow Dash's head to do the same thing.
>>42932832But that authority had been telling her she had the right idea up to that point, so why shouldn't she react like that? Plus Rainbow Dash never had any remorse about blowing up that factory and no one held it against her. Hell she didn't have any remorse about endangering her friends herself on other occasions.
>>42932853Because unless you're a sociopath, you should feel remorseful after repeatedly endangering your classmates, without having to be told by a higher authority that it's wrong. At the very least, you should feel some shame for dicking over other pony's careers. Dust didn't even bother to care when it came time to grovel at Spitfire's hooves. She accepted the walk, looked back with disdain, and proudly puffed out her wings.
>>42932896The government trains you to kill people regardless of age, origin or status. But one day you almost kill 5 Hollywood celebrities. The guy who told you to kill them then discharges you and ruins your entire life even though you've been trained to kill. The logic would either piss you off or cause you to double down on it. Spitfire's logic made no sense. Twilight mind controls a town after a chaos god mind-controlled her friends against their will and is only concerned with what Celestia may do, not the moral ramifications of it. The Cutie Mark brats mind-control two people to nearly fuck and marry each other. Pinkie Pie and Rainbow Dash support a group of buffalo foreigners into taking back some patch of land that their own kind uses to grow apples. None of the characters motives or consequences get any level of comeuppance its just laughed off.
>>42932789>>42932853Based LD defender
>>42933309I'm not even a Lightningfag desu. I don't really care for her, it's just such a blatant example of the double standards the writers often held to point to.
>>42933346I'm not a Lightningfag either. I just think she deserved better.
>>42933292>Twi mind controls a townWhat?>the aerial stunt ponies are trained killing machines>folklore heroes are hollywood>hates fillies>hates sharing and world peace>trained killing machines>killing machines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHPOZZ1C3P8
>>42933633Trvth nvke
>>42933633BUT SHE'S SOOO HOT
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>>42936556For discrimination against the mentally handicapped?
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>>42926904>pic relatedOff-topic, but kinda interesting that it's Hopper of all people saying this. Seems like that may be an aspect of his character left unexplored
>>42933292>commander of the base when the Princess's personal student is nearly killed in an accident>a student who has the affection of the other Princess for saving her from darkness>and is friends with the third Princess who used to babysit her>and is your former branch colleague's sister>another recruit previously went to you with concerns about safety and you blew her off just hours/days before the accident>throw the recruit responsible for the whole mess under the bus as fast as possible to cover your assSpitfire's logic makes perfect sense.
>>42915745Lightning Dust could've sued Spitfire for failure to secure premises.
>>42938752it was lightning cunt's fault
>>42938762It was mane 5 fault for entering military area
>>42938783They should have been shot at sight. Lightning did the right thing.
>>42938762Negligence is on Spitfire's part.
>>42938786based
>>42938417Your first couple of points should apply in theory, but only a small handful of episodes are ponies concerned with the celebrity status of the Mane 6. Most of the time they aren't treated any differently. Secondly all of the recruits as shown are at fault not just Dust, with the leader promoting her because she had "guts."
>>42938786Shot with what, an apple pie?
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>>42938783not their fault that retarded cunt made a hurricane>>42938787no. retarded on lightning cunt's part
Spitfire shoots fire out of her ponut.
>>42940256>not their fault that retarded cunt made a hurricaneThis. Spits was the officer in chief.
>>42941604>>42940256She would approve LD making an tornado because she didn't care when RD told her about it.
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