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first for offboarder tourists shitting up /mlp/, and the /a/ biased administration shitting up the game

>>42975998
This horse is dead.

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>>42975999
I'm dead because this faggot posted here without /mlp/ being in the schedule after losing the last babby's.

>>42975998
You got banned from the anniversary for a good reason

>Topics must be show-related. When discussing people, they must be associated with the show and not the fandom.

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>>42976006
>mlp isn't even in the babby's
ngmi, can you go fuck off from /mlp/ now. >>42976008
fpbp.

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>>42975978
>>When does /mlp/ play?
>Spring

>>42976008
>>42976009
You made an ass of this board and yourself in front of everyone, you were given multiple chances for redemption and wasted all of them being a nigger, this board would be better if you simply killed yourself

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>>42976008
>4cc threads must be confined to /vg/, /sp/ and /mlp/.
Doesn't matter if /mlp/ are in the current tournaments, we get a thread. They don't want horse pictures in relation to other teams on their boards.

>>42976023
>4cc threads must be confined to /vg/, /sp/ and /mlp/.
Source?

Alright faggots, what game are you hype for?
for me it's /pol/ vs /sci/.

>>42976019
I'm the first post and I only post on this board. So I don't know what your rant is about.
I just want this offboarder shit that has nothing to do with ponies out of here.

>>42976039
/his/ - /a/ sounds like a barn burner

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>>42976034
It's been established for more than a decade.

>>42976040
You think you're cute playing coy? You think you're cute putting this wannabe janitor act like a fucking faggot? Kill yourself, this board would improve tenfold if you just killed yourself

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>>42976044
>/mlp/ is technically only allowed to have threads when it is participating in the corresponding thread
do you even read what you send you knuckle dragging spittle leaking gorrila retard vantablack nigger?
>>42976048
the board would improve immensely if you faggots fucked off, even your gay little wiki says
>/mlp/ is technically only allowed to have threads when it is participating in the corresponding thread
>/mlp/ is technically only allowed to have threads when it is participating in the corresponding thread
>/mlp/ is technically only allowed to have threads when it is participating in the corresponding thread

>>42976052
>when it is participating in the corresponding thread
Im participating in the thread c:

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>>42976052
Damn, it's almost like I included the extra blurb attached to the word 'technically'.
They don't want horses posted elsewhere, they have never given a fuck whether /mlp/ is playing or not and still actively redirected people here during those off-seasons.
Cope, seethe and cry about it.

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>man claims to care about board quality
>constantly shits it up whenever he sees something he doesn't even like
>doesn't do anything to improve the thread (or probably the board either)
>doesn't even post ponies with his posts, posts real life horses, which are technically off-topic as well
yeah pretty safe to ignore this loser

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>42976081
(you)

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>42976085
thanks friend, I'm having a pretty good day today. I hope you are well

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>/sp/ starts playing
>anon whining about the 4cc "not belonging on the board" shuts up

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>>42976116
To be fair, everyone shut up.
/sp/'s value as entertaining board ceased when they started getting good, now I just don't care that they're playing.

>>42976130
>/sp/'s value as entertaining board ceased when they started getting good
True. /sp/ is more fun to watch when /sp/ has to say the line.

>>42976130
Truly the Philadelphia Eagles of the 4cc

/i/ was robbed.

What a frustrating match, i feel so mad for /i/

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>/sp/ hosted cup
>1st match was rigged in their favor

>>42976158
N O T I C I N G

>players playing expertise on normal
>emotions on
>only 3 subs
am I missing anything?

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BORIS WAS BOUGHT OUT BY THE SPORTSBALL CARTEL, HE'S KNEE DEEP INTO DEBT THANKS TO BETTING IN THE HOUSTON TEXANS AND BUYING SEXUAL FAVORS FROM SAN ANTONIO WOMEN. OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE, IT'S ALL RIGGED

>>42976052
Aw, is little shartycuck's clitty leaking again?
To the non-sharty anons here, this gorilla nigger is a shartyfag. Vantablack is shartyfag inside joke terminology used to denote something that they believe is low quality. You may also see them use the terms "dust", "coal", or "brimstone".

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>>42976177
yeah they're a bunch of falseflagging cunts that somehow don't know the cup is an oldfag thing. Everyone sees through their shallow attempts to make the board hate itself.

>>42976163
The 2huspiracy noticed some unusual transactions last night between Boris and an Investment Fund from Las Vegas

>>42976023
update your gif with THREE STARS

>>42976207
That doesn't work because there is a 2hu on /i/

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>>42976163

>>42976246
/i/ is a minor participant of the 2huspiracy, they don't get the full benefits yet, which also explains /bant/

And now, for a 4chan Winter Ball bowl

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>>42976253
you both sent preset 2 at the same time dweeb, calm your titties

>leave to eat when /wsg/ get a free kick free goal
>check on phone midway eating food
>it's 4-3 game
FUCK

>>42976274
Clearly it wasn't

>>42976244
I didn't make it, I ain't updating shit.

>>42976274
It was at least ten in game minutes.

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>why don't you get a winning fetish for once, huh?

>>42976321
Alright so it was actually rigged

>>42976321
you win this round husband of the white wife

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>Went to the /mlp/ cup thread willingly again award.

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>>42976340
except for the early kerfuffle, its been fine tho
also how fired is boris for the first game

He's so fired he looped back around into being hired.

Holy shit I haven't seen a 2nd half comeback like that since the Bears

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>>42976340
Weedman, I know you're probably stuck in California right now, but we need assurance that Boris isn't being bribed by /sp/. Enact a full audit, make sure that the only things he's spending money on are eye medicine, booze and the finest women San Antonio can provide

>>42976362
that sounds like he is very fired up

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>>42976376
Im actually home for the whole cup this time around. However in regards to the audit refer to the following:
>>>/vg/554916401

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>wiki still not updated with scores so far
COME ON WIKI AUTISTS, TELL ME WHAT I MISSED ALREADY!

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>>42976401
/sp/ 2-0 /i/
/wsg/ 4-3 /wg/
/tg/ 4-5 /d/

Pls understand wiki autists have a lot of goals to track at the moment.

>>42976407
I bet they're debating on how to *asterisk note the first game too

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>>42976407
Thank you based weedgod.

>>42976414
>*The rigger is old and blind. Prease understandu.

>>42976424
He should have been placed in the rigging throne, but that's not ready yet

Oh boy what a team that killed /mlp/ going 0-3 in their first elite game.
Can't wait for -10+ score line at the end of the group stage.
Yes I'm still mad.

So why are we super late and gay for /vt/-/bant/? I was not paying attention and Boris is now messing with the team.

>>42976634
Boris is blind and his brittle bones cannot let him rig by instinct like he once could

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>>42976634
Bors' dementia is starting to set in.

Really nice gesture from /vt/ to blind half of their stadium in solidarity with Boris having limited vision in one eye

>Why are we black now?
- Boris 2026

>>42976752
That was clearly an attack against the 2nd blackest team, /b/, this is all rigged

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>/sci/ clobbers /pol/
and it ended a good day too

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>>42976988
pretty funny but I feel like /pol/'s next match is going to be insane

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>>42975978
>missed today's matches
Well shit.
>The following team originally qualified by advancing from the 2025 4chan Summer Cup, but was disqualified due to lack of board interest:
>/biz/
Fucking kek.

>>42976397
Can we beat Boris instead?

>>42976995
CANCERBOWL

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>/fit/ vs /gd/
>all everyone talks about is /mlp/

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>>42977106
There's a reason "/mlp/ mentioned" is the free space on every 4cc bingo.

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>>42977129
>two stars

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>>42977178
Baited so someone would update it.

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>>42977006
holy fuck I didn't even see that, incredible

>>42977106
We really do live rent-free inside /admin/'s head huh?

>>42975978
Oh neat, 4cc is ba-
>>When does /mlp/ play?
>Spring
Then why did you niggers make a thread? This is an event where the organizers are proudly and loudly anti-/mlp/ and >we aren't participating to assert >our superiority, why the fuck are you giving it a space
Is the testing for the next babby at least boding well

>>42977296
You already posted that before, now go back to /sp/

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wrassling tonight in about one bong and thirty bings if anyone's interested

>>42977311
oh just kidding, make that in about 3 bongs

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NOW: Kung Pow (version Sou)
LATER:Wrasslin

>>42977298
Reading the thread, yeah another anon said something similar but it ain't me
I think I'm just salty about the rough patch the team's going through, and assumed my lack of interest on the game derived from recent results (i.e. asspee winning*) was more widespread
But uh how's the testing going, did they change the PES version again?

>>42977322
Correct, everything's fucked, Boris is blind and on /sp/'s pocket, Sou is busy with his rape training, the rest of admin is either too fat or too busy to do anything, /cm/ is poised to get a 2nd star and it's all /admin/'s fault

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>>42975978
>When's the next FAG?
>Tentative dates right now are March 14-15 and 21-22, card subject to change
Is it possible? Will it finally be /pnk/'s Year of the Horse™?

>>42977376
/marefair/ 3 peat because funny

Wrasslin starting RIGHT NOW

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Nice day and what a great result to finish the day.

>>42977559
>over an hour late
faurk

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I didn't catch the stream, what's all the talk about Boris being blind?

>>42977759
His eyes don't work so good no more

>>42977759
he had major surgery on one of them, had to be face down in a chair for about a week, and the bubble still hasn't cleared from it. he might need more surgery on the same one, and is going to need surgery on the other one too eventually.

>>42977847
Does he have cataracts or what?

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>>42977847
Well, at least he has the high paying job of 4cc Elite Streamer so he can afford the top medical care in the country.

>>42977870
All 4cc staff are automatically enrolled in Skelecare, it's a pretty sweet deal.

>>42977882
Hell, even as a 4cc tester I get full skeleton insurance

>>42977864
he may develop cataracts as a side effect from the surgery. I think it was partial retinal detachment they were fixing.

hows the 4cc doing?

>>42976177
>>42976195
Toughbeit, truth nuke, xister (x-pronouns) etc are also used a lot by them. There's probably some more stuff but i'm not going to read their wiki. Looks like a portion of kiwifags are sharty farming good boy points. And i believe most of the /qa/ posters that once browsed their boards have quit or are a minority nowadays and it's infested with what they call twitter chuds. Source: One day i decided to check on that youtube police troll patrol thing and one of their targets is the sharty so they had info about the matter. I don't know if everything is there is true but I choose to believe so. Also sometimes what you think is a sharty is actually just a twitter newfag.

Someone queued Winter Wrap Up.

>>42978490
>Also sometimes what you think is a sharty is actually just a twitter newfag.
Correct. Phrases like "coal" are pretty much mainstream over there now. In any case, it's best to assume anyone who uses sharty lingo is a tourist whose opinions don't matter.

>>42978488
Grim

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>>42977376
EVERY YEAR IS /pnk/'S YEAR BABY WOOOOOO

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>>42978052
oof, good luck rigger

Work closed due to weather with some personnel exceptions so FOR ONCE I thought I'd be watching opening cup day.
Not only did I wind up being a personnel exception but I couldn't even leave early, missed every game.
Well, at least most of the teams this Cup aren't too interesting to me and the ones I do like played like shit yesterday. May as well stay uninvested til Spring.

/vm/ might be the best /v/alkan board out there solely for the fact that they aren't just /v/ or /vg/ but slower, and yet, I dislike them as a team

Boy, what a matchday huh?

>>42979125
Captain it's just the 1st game

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>>42979129

>>42979102
They have fun players so I tend to like them but they also tend to be a bit meh overall

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Lad when I tell you I crapped myself when /wsg/ conceded that 3rd goal after being up 4-1 at the half... That /wg/ should not be overlooked. The 3-6-1 has always been viewed as being a meme formation, but if you're not careful that shit will slap you silly. They are extremely based for running it, I love seeing more variety of tactics in the cup.

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>>42975978
Do we know which PES is being used for Spring?

>>42979214
Managers are too risk avoidant these days, PES is 90% bullshit, you could absolutely win with a 4-2-4 and doing nothing but langball

>>42979232
Yeah, we are going to PES 21.

>>42979232
Spring will be played in person on a foosball table at Sou's place.

>>42979214
That's cool and all, but I need your hottest new webm

>>42979232
15 with a ruleset change. Probably switching from Gold, Gold, Silver, Silver to a Gold, Silver, Silver, Bronze, Bronze medal system.

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>>42979236
It's tough to say. If you're a manager of a big board or a heel team, if you run weird shit, you tend to get shit on. Winning is neat but I think managers don't want to feel like they're disappointing their board or being a letdown. /mlp/ ran a 4-3-3 but with wing forwards in 2023 and the board was none too thrilled about it

>>42979232
PES15 I believe but with an updated medal setup. Won't be GGSS next time around.

>>42979232
They listened to the empty lies of the Italian, a new PES 21 patch will be used

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I wish PES still existed, just imagine the short of bullshit Konami would be putting out nowadays.

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Man glad I check the wiki before they remove this.

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>/h/ edging all over /v/

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>>42977006
TL;DR: I Retired and jannies are really quick to delete cup threads. No chance of getting POI. Things went downhill after all the jeets flooded the board and the mods had to deal with 300+ reports a day

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luv me /vr/

>>42979777
checked and same.

Good end!

Rate today and yesterdday matches.

>>42979777
where are the bloodied up aj sprites?

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>/jp/ won
>/vr/ won
I can be content with that

>>42979264
I'd rather they listen to the Romanian and give PES 18 another chance. Burgers want goalfests though so we'll never see it again.

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>>42980035
I don't remember much about how 18 played, maybe because it didn't last very long on account of how much ass it sucked.

>>42980080
midfield memes with Destroyer FC and more than likely to have benuldies in the KOs

>>42979474
Sad to see another cup staple die, but hey, at least you got a star out of it

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>>42980255
That I am greatful for, and my final cup was 4th place. I got bogged in the end but I never expected to get that far anyway.

>>42980498
salud my friend, its been very good to have you and I can only hope you stick around and pop in every now and then

>>42980498
It hurts that the horse fucker conspiracy is dead and is replaced with vtumors cancer

~hour until 3rd day

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>>42981711
Plus change.

rolling for /tg/

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>>42981978
fug I forgot how to dice

Rolled 4 (1d20)

>>42981978
Rollan

>those shots for /tg/
Is their elite runs is over?

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NERDS BTFO

So how badly will they rig it for /sp/ today?

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>>42982029
Can't beat the homo

>>42982029
how did /tg/ look? they looked pretty lethal in the first match but got kinda fucked over at the end

>>42982095
Their shoots where 2(1) while /fit/ was like 12(10).

/gd/ really did use up all of their power to kill us, huh?

I like seeing /gd/ lose, I love seeing /d/ win, i hate that we'll never hear the end of it

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>/mlp/ died for this

It doesn't stop...

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>>42982101
damn that sucks

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>>42982102
their win against /mlp/ was the PESing of a lifetime. Their keeper got MotM while both /mlp/'s wing defenders rolled a 4.5 performance. You're now seeing what happens when a team PESes it's way into an Elite with a seriously flawed formation.

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I'm loving /fit/'s new (old) icon

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>/a/ (/b/2) vs /bant/ (/pol/2)
>followed by /b/1 vs /pol/1

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>>42982214

>>42982218
grim (congrats to both teams)

Holy keeper babied.

yeah /vt/ would have at least one, maybe two more goals if /his/'s keeper wasn't plucking balls out of the air like he was. oh and the other bullshit that happened too.
honestly they kinda got robbed

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>/vt/ lost again
lole

>blowout
>keeperbabby for 90 minutes
>blowout
>keeperbabby for 90 minutes (motm)
someone else put it like this in /4ccg/ but can we admit there's a problem?

>>42982338
No, because Kwabson and first bitch will complain and we can't have that!

>>42982338
Yeah the problem is that 15 is just trash
I can't wait to go back to Fox Engine PES so we have have UV scroll. Funny models is the most important thing about the cup.

>>42982338
you're right. We should go back to PES 18 with some rule changes.

>>42982342
I dont think its trash, the matches have been pretty exciting, but when you figure out that it comes down to one of two usual results happening and you figure out which one is happening this game, then there's not too much to get excited about anymore

>>42982349
You forgot your Redheart flag

>>42982364
oh shit I'm sorry, thank for reminding me fag.

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do kinda wish the keepers would do their jobs too honestly, it adds a bit of fun to the game

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>>42982397
I like keepers being good and it's not like it's constant 0–0s or 1–0s either. 2–1 is a perfectly serviceable score.

>>42982397
>>42982409
shit I meant to say refs, not keepers. Im retarded, no big surprise

>>42982413
that makes more sense and agreed, they're very quiet so far.

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Group C result matrix

>>42982218
2026 4chan Winter Cup Group B result matrix

>/vt/ is fucken ded
And nothing of value was lost.
The only thing I'm worry this cup is if /sp/ is going to advance in their hosted cup and get their third star.

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>>42982488
I wish /bant/ and /his/ could go through, but I'll settle for /a/ and /bant/

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Cute art from the other thread

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>>42982497
Nah, schedule says it's time for /fit/'s third nipple

>>42982553
>third nipple
belly button

>>42982520
I like Kot's expression, he seems chill

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>want /b/, /an/, and /sci/ to go through
I hate groups sometimes

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>/vg/ is talking about a /vip/ team

propah footy I tell ya

>>42982694
Finally a board smaller than /gd/ will have a team

>>42982706
/vip/ is Israel
most of its people are outside of their homeland

>>42982712
So is /wg/ and no one cares

>>42982719
/wg/ is useless, anons post their wallpapers in dedicated threads on their homeboards
/vip/ is special because $30

Oh boy, I can't wait for them to rig for /sp/. AGAIN,

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Group D result matrix

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The funniest /mlp/ cup lore was when the cup still had variable heights, when Twilight became an Alicorn we kept making her 1cm taller every cup waiting for someone to notice, but no one ever did.

>>42982847
That is pretty funny

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>>42982847
you are a gentleman and a scholar and I love you

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Was the origin of Boris' eye problem caused by the Applekits?
Because I recall their curse extending out of game to become rigger problems.

>>42982901
No, but the Appulkits are, in fact, the source of his hair loss.

>>42982901
It's a genetic condition, so unless the applekits somehow predate his birth, it seems unlikely.

So what is the setting for the refs because that was a fucking yellow card not getting called?

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>>42982847
Do you remember how tall she ended up being?
Would have been a pretty fun tradition to have kept, keep the commissioners in on the joke as we changed her and her alone. Plus would have other autists probably ending up as the ones who found it for the fun of it, if the crash outs are any indication.

>no /mlp/
>no one of our biggest rivals /u/ to hate watch

really boring

>>42982988
No unfortunately I don't remember. We couldn't have kept it up anyway beccause back then you could make players far taller, and you had some extra random centimeters you could add onto players as you liked. That doesn't really exist anymore, for simplicity and because viewers couldn't really tell the difference.

>>42982338
>if it's not a goalfest, just FULVO ad nauseum
that may be down to formations being kinda same-y but still

>>42983005
>rivals
/mlp/ has no rivals

>>42983024
>/mlp/ has no rivals
LESBIANS AND VTUMORS ARE THE REAL ENEMIES

>>42983006
But we do have the techniques now to make players visually appear as tall as you (read: aesco)'d like and still animate correctly.

>>42983038
/mlp/ also doesn't have any enemies

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>>42983064

>>42983071
No, not even /sp/

/i/ is a nice team.

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>>42983024
/u/ are absolutely a rival in Cup terms and I'm tired of people pretending otherwise

>>42983132
>all hoofless females
disg/u/sting

>>42983132
/mlp/ has no enemies, no rivals, that implies that /mlp/ has peers
/mlp/ could have friends but most other boards are too autistic for that

>>42983139
>/mlp/ has no peers
lmao

>>42983139
everyone hates /mlp/ and /mlp/ is by far the most autistic board on this website bar none

>>42983064
our enemy is the entire cup

>>42983055
it wouldnt matter though because the models would obscure most any differences or at least make them harder to detect

>>42983152
Correct, /mlp/ has no peers

>>42983191
What about Buttercup?

>>42983139
Do newfags really?

>>42983205
fuck you got me

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>>42983139
>we're so good that we're in a league of our own haha!
please falseflag harder next time
>no friends
[s4s] is fren :)

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>>42983332
>off by one

>I think I hate PES 15 now
~Crimson, just now

he is a broken man (also tired and with a headache but still)

>>42983437
KWAB

>>42983437
I also hate PES 15 after dealing with the UI

SOU, LET US START IN PES 18 NEXT CUP SEASONS AND MY WEEDS IS YOURS

WEEDMAN, HEED MY CALL, THESE GAMES ARE TOO FUCKING SLOW, FORCE EVERYONE TO BE ON PERMANENT MANY/MANY

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Go back to PES13, you cowards!

>>42983456
14 is the earliest possible without losing aesthetics completely and /admin/ won't let Sou take that step yet unfortunately

>>42983470
*current standard aesthetics

>>42983456
We don't have the necessary tools man

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>>42983474
we don't have the technology...

>>42983495
Correct, PES 13 and 14 used Janky's tools for modding, and that was, well, janky, and barely worked back in the day, you'd have to make tools from scratch for those, and the Germanbro PESes since he's the only one that had the tools to deal with those

>>42983502
14 is technically doable, it got the DLC method for Winter '15. Everything before is probably nigh impossible.

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>>42983527
14 it is, then. Grim reminder, let's go!

>>42983551
PES 14 will be the grimer reminder after a whole cycle of PES 18

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>>42983557
>a whole cycle of PES 18

>>42983564
Better or worse than PES15?

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>>42983557
>>42983564
>A whole cycle of PES 18

>>42983574
15 is a good PES no matter what doomers say
18 is considered terrible not least because it runs like shit even on modern hardware for some reason, making streaming and testing more of a chore than usual

>>42983574
PES 18 is the 2nd coming of PES 14 (1.17), and is responsible for some of the worst divegrass matches of all time and some of the worst champions of all time, so yes unless your team won during those years

>>42983619
Oh yeah, that was when an autopilot won a star. kek

>>42983584
>15 is a good PES no matter what doomers say
I think it can be, but it needs significant rule changes and perhaps, and I shudder as I say this, patch adjustments to make it something worth watching going forward, unless you want more of the same fulvo, keeperbabby, or blowout cycle

>>42983632
The issue is, most managers are using the same tactics, which results in very samey games, it's the same issue that plagued other PESes, there's not much that could be done because most managers will copy whatever works. Best I could come up with to shake up the metal is to find a way to give extra stats for any formation that isn't 4-4-2/4-3-3/3-4-3

>>42983632
keepers being good is fun, I think it's not too bad right now considering there still are goals
fulvo is an issue though, if it can't be managed around there probably needs to be something done.

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>>42983649
this is true, managers just aren't willing to have fun anymore or to treat the cup as something entertaining to do for themselves and also to give back to the board a bit. it's some bigass thing that I'm sure most people feel the need to tryhard at, or at the very least perform well, or else they've failed the board or something

I could go into a long rant about all the reasons if you want, but there's a couple big reasons as to why I think things have unfortunately evolved this way.

>>42983742
>I could go into a long rant about all the reasons if you want
Please do.

>>42983742
I blame us and /u/ and it grew from Very Gay and Very Tranny Leagues being full of tryhards that merced main cup teams.

>>42983632
>unless you want more of the same fulvo, keeperbabby, or blowout cycle
It does seem like this is what we're getting this cup.
17 may have had some snoozers but it was also had potential for higher end entertainment. Like Summer 25 final day. That was so much fun to watch.

>>42983850
It's none of those, the OG Tryhard, the one who set the path everyone walks today, is /m/

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>>42983166
>/mlp/ is by far the most autistic board on this website bar none
there's also /vt/ but we defeated them

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>>42983628
>check wiki
>autopilot was /cm/

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>>42983759
Alright fine I will, and to preface this all with saying this is from my audience-only uninformed-ass, so if any actual manager wants to pop in and tell me to pipe down idiot, feel free to.


So I think it comes down to a couple big points which can explain: why people are afraid to step up and BE, why there are managers or caretakers who don't really seem to try anymore, and why many managers who do try seem to be frustrated with things.

>cup is now SRS BSNS
I think people like to reminisce on the old days of the cup because it was a lot more of the Wild West. People were creating new tools, everybody was starting from scratch, and everything had to be built from the ground up. Hell, in the Germanbro days, people had to deal with whatever the hell he was feeling that day, like ignoring requests or "oops I rigged it" and you just had to deal, which was obviously not the proper way to go about things, but at the same time, the cup was just a fun tournament that didn't really mean much other than watching some fun streams, trying to do what you could, and some glory for your board if you did well or even won.

That isn't the cup anymore. What my uneducated eyes see is that most of the cup's managers seem to be three types of people, two of which I'll outline here: tryhards who spend as much free time as possible dedicated to editing and testing everything, and lazy fucks who go copy/paste on whatever worked last cup and call it a day. This is because there seem to be a lot more stakes in winning or losing and a lot more pressure to do well:

- You now have an audience which will make fun of you if you don't do well, including but not limited to /4ccg/, chat, your own board, and admin on First Boom.
- You have a board that you like and respect and want to give something back to by doing this for them, but it's incredibly easy to feel like you're failing the board if you don't do well, not to mention you could get shouted down to death about it (see us, /sp/, etc).
- If you're starting out, you have a lot to learn with both the game and software that's been created for it, a lot to create on both the tactics and entertainment sides depending on how much you want to change (read entertainment as models and music export), and a crazy amount of stress during match day. It's intimidating for somebody who just wants to try and do something, even with the assistance from former managers and admin. The various invitationals for newfags starting out is a good place to get your feet wet, but it's a whole other thing to do it for the cup proper.

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>>42984201
>Time and Age
Let's face it, most people who are still interested in this thing are getting up there in age, with a full-time job, perhaps family or somebody you have to take care of, and all the other responsibilities of being an adult. We joke about the age thing all the time, but most people aren't 20-something's still in college or fucking around and finding out about life with a bunch of time on the side to dedicate to frivolous shit like this. Back when the userbase was younger, people had the time and even the desire to delve into whatever PES they were working with, learn its ins and outs, test a bit or play a couple friendlies to see what worked and what didn't, make some shitty playerfaces and maybe steal a model or two, and then submit something and hope it does well. But that's not really the case for most people anymore.

I think this can also be taken in conjunction with how much time the internet is eating up of people's free time and killing their attention spans as well. I can't tell you the amount of people who say they would do something but they're "busy" or "I've been meaning to do it but haven't got around to it" or some other bs when they basically spend most of their free time on the internet doing a whole lot of nothing. Back when using the internet was more of a decision to specifically do something, like go check a webcomic or explore a new forum, rather than a way to waste time inbetween every single task, people were more apt to use the thing for its purpose and do what they originally set out to do, such as prepare their team for the cup. But not anymore really.

>Lack of New PESes
This one's already been complained about to death, but it used to be that every other cup cycle or so, there was a new PES coming out that worked differently, had new tactics and buttons, new features to make the game more entertaining (models, balls, arenas, etc), and different ways for someone to experiment and try to make something out of nothing. You had the knowledge from past PESes maybe, but that might not work at all on the new one, and that's what made it so interesting. People would try wack shit, and maybe it wouldn't work, but it'd make for exciting and fun matches.

Now it's basically all figured out. Any manager can go to past saves that worked out well or won cups in the past, edit them to conform to the new ruleset, and hit submit. And that's perhaps attractive to some, and the sheer fact that you can do that draws a lot of ire from others. Patches have been implemented to try and change that from being the case obviously, but usually by the Elites, one or another team(s) in the Babby previous or an invitational league will have something that performs well.

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>>42984207
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So you want to BE(E) the change? You either have to be someone who's willing to ignore/block out all the baggage the cup now comes along with and just do your own thing for the sake of it, or you have to have the hard-headedness/stubbornness of Bl1nky or SDA to continue doing what you're doing/hold onto the team for forever despite all criticism in the hopes that something you do works one day (no disrespect to either of them btw, just the first two that came to mind). It's no wonder that it's difficult to get managers or even caretakers anymore. I'm sure there are a good number of people who would be willing to try and pick up the torch for /theirboard/ that's currently dead, like that one /xs/ dude who always chickens out, and that want to put in the time and effort to try and do a good job, but then would have to put up with the pressure and stress of the whole thing. And of course you could explain all this away by saying "just don't be such a fucking pussy lol" and that's true, but I think for most people it's honestly difficult to do that (and a lot of the people who use that canned response never do anything themselves anyway, so). I mean, there's a lot of time and commitment wrapped up in it that could all be for nothing. Well, nothing and disappointment.

Plus, the cup being SRS BSNS explains what appear to be two of the main kinds of people who are managers or caretakers now. The tryhards are obvious: they make it one of their only hobbies to continually test and perform and do better and win a cup. Maybe they just enjoy it or it gives them some fulfillment, but no doubt they must feel the enormous amount of pressure and want to live up to it and do well by it. But it also explains the people who just lazily copy somebody else's export: they have the pressure of the audience to not get laughed at and the pressure of the board to do well by, but why not skate by all that bullshit by doing the minimum amount of effort possible and just be average? They don't actually care whether they do well or not, but just as long as they're not last. I mean, for a lot of longtime managers, you already have the models and music export figured out, so why not forgo the actual hard part of learning the PES that's being switched to when somebody else already did it for you? I could argue these people actually don't care and might just be going through the motions at this point.

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>>42984208
And then you have the people who are neither tryhards nor lazy fucks: the people who are managers, maybe for a while, and want to at least put in the effort to do well, but are frustrated by the PES they're dealing with and the rules they have to abide by. If they don't have a lot of time (or lack the attention span anymore), they won't be able to delve into the PES version and re-figure out how to make a good export (or take an existing one and figure out why it works). If they figure out the meta enough, they can see what most matches will eventually boil down to. And if they can't do either or can't figure out something more unique that actually works, then obviously that's frustrating in and of itself.

I think it's totally fair to argue "well buddy, that's what you signed up for" and tell people to deal, especially when a lot of the complaining could be solved by people slowing down and taking the time to just read and try shit out, but at the same time, you have to keep in mind these are people who are doing this of their own free time and volition. They do it because they want to. It's supposed to be fun, and they want to try to make it fun by at least giving it their best shot. But if they have their board breathing down their neck, the constant nagging in the back of their mind to not become a laughing stock, and a PES that seems to already be solved with the lazy fucks who will just shit out something that could do well enough if PES lets it, then why bother.


I guess that's my thoughts on things. I also have thoughts on why specifically First Boom doesn't help anything, since it can literally be you hearing admin and admin-adjacent telling you you're dogshit, but I think those are the main things. If you agree or disagree or think I'm full of shit or have insider knowledge™ that tells me I don't know what I'm talking about, then let me know. I know a lot of it boils down to stress and pressure to perform well, but I think it's just sucked the fun out for people actually participating in the cup, and why you see more people leaving/retiring and less people coming in than you'd like to see or, if you're cynical, needs to be.

>>42984201
Is this real or that one italian copypasta? Can't even remember.

>>42984279
I mean, considering I spent about four hours writing it, cuz I care (lame), then no, it's not a copypasta. and I'm not AnontheAnon.

>>42984308
He means half.
Anyway you should save and repost that next thread.

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>>42984201
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>>42984212
Interesting write up, and I agree. I think the lack of new PES is the biggest issue, and I don't know if that's ever gonna change now that Konami turned it into a passive money generator to siphon cash from retards.

>>42984201
>>42984207
>>42984208
>>42984212
I think you raise some really good points, but I cannot stress enough how much cup threads being banned outside of here, /vg/ and /sp/ helps with the decay, newfags don't know what the fuck is the cup, the amount of times I've went to some other board's cup thread and there's more than one post thinking that the cup is an actual e-sport is embarrassingly high (when it's an oldfag they always mention Dragonfag somehow, you can't measure how much that hurt the cup's legitimacy in the eyes of the regular 4chan audiences). Now, I think there is ways to reversing that trend, at least on the bigger boards, (if you're on a small board you're either turbofucked by jannies or lucky enough that you don't need much when it comes to POI) and that is, board leagues/memevitationals, most people who know about the 4cc from /vt/ know it because it's something related to the VTL, same thing for /vg/ and the VGL, an in board tournament that panders to the board's interests/generals would attract people that would later join the cup to cheer for their homeboard, but it's a concept that could easily be 0botched and backfire massively, just look at Blinky's pitful excuse of "/a/ league" for an example of what not to do

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>>42984207
You've done a good job summarizing the reasons 4cc culture has shifted over the years, all of those factors play a role to a greater or lesser extent. But from my perspective, "Time and Age" is the most important. The ideal 4cc manager is a college student or young NEET with a passion for memes and a ton of free time on their hands - I was a student myself when I got started. But fewer and fewer newfags have found the cup over time, both due to discoverability of the 4cc being low on most boards and fewer underaged b&s wandering into 4chan in the first place. The oldfags keep getting older, the newfags keep getting rarer, and a 4cc where the average manager age is closer to 40 than 20 is a very different proposition.

I admittedly am part of that problem, I've been hanging around for a decade now. I'm still here for the same reason I started in the first place - to contribute something fun to the board I love - but I, as much as anyone, don't have the free time or the fire in the belly I did all those years ago.

Nevertheless, I try to keep the focus on the fun and the memes, and I do hope that helps.

>>42984201
>>42984207
>>42984208
Damn you for making me post here, but honestly the biggest issue compared to when I used to manage, is that there's way too many people that take this shit to the point of being an esport or some shit. When I used to be a manager, it wasn't like that and stuff was way more relaxing, even for the tryharders. Plus, it doesn't help that the cup as a whole is disliked by the janitors and such.

And the biggest elephant in the room is not being able to move to any new game. Of course, if you move to old games, people are just going to recycle what worked in the past. Why would you want to put your free time into work to see if you can come up with some new undiscovered thing when stuff is pretty much already resolved? A new game would completely shake things up because people would be willing to try it. But if you are stuck to these old PES versions, no amount of rule changes are going to change the games on a fundamental level.

>>42984212
>>42985873
Move 4cc to play in Brasfoot or something

>>42984279
The style is reminiscent, but nope
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/User:Half#Grievances_with_the_4cc,_and_the_problems_with_it

>>42985873
What other games would work?

>>42986039
FEEFUR

>>42986039
What about that one "open football" game someone linked in /4ccseethe/?
Or FEEFUR, yeah.

>>42986039
That's the issue, no other game is really as modable as PES is, sure you can make models for Feefur but that still leaves the fact that you can't make custom teams that adhere to the 4cc rules, or have AI vs AI, no idea if other games are better or worse when it comes to this, you could try branching out to other sports but then you run into the issue that most sports have either too many or too few players, so you either run out of ideas pretty quickly or have too few players to work with

>>42986101
Yeah, I was thinking of ideas outside of football, since PES is kinda the only option for that. And aside from wrasslin, which can be fun, the other stuff that's been tried hasn't been as entertaining.

>>42986113
#BringBackCricket

>>42986113
Personally I think the best substitute would be either luckswing or hockey, but I don't think there's any game that would have a coach mode for either sport

>>42986123
I don't know what a crumpet is, so I can't understand cricket.

guess i will throw my thoughts in regarding dead teams and >bee

Problem is mostly that i hear /admin/ repeating that be the chance and need new managers etc... Earlier it was noted that cup has pretty high skill level cap for any new guy to revive any long dead team. But imo problem sits deeper at where to get fresh new blood as cup viewership has gone down a lot and sometimes in board ninja cup threads people go "oh its still happening" showing that even people that know about it aren't really watching it. Other reasons being that cup happens in hidden channel that removes all "what is this" venturers on cytube level. Net being that there isn't really any advertisement material begin with aside some clips here and there, invitationals now have more fresh stuff in youtube than cup and wouldn't be suprised if /vt/umor adjancents were making tiktoks about their stuff. So in short, cup has in every sense gone hiding to sidelines. And even if viewers would come offsite, there is yahooo and wake ups to forewarn what kind of shitshow is coming.

So in short, as cup viewership is going down for many reasons, so will be candidates to >bee and imo should first figure out how to get people to watch cup again and then advertise >bee to them.

>>42986169
It's also that the site in general has slowed down considerably over the last few years, going from nearly 1 million posts/day to now around 575k/day. Fewer people, less exposure.

>>42986169
VGL and VTL have been the only major supplies of new blood in years.
But many of the newer vgl guys don’t care about 4cc at all.

>>42986195
Well after the hack the website slowed down a lot honestly. It looks like that the hack was the last straw for a lot of people.

>>42984201
>>42984207
>>42984208
>>42984212
tl;dr

>>42986215
The hack definitely caused a hit, but the site was at 1M/day in 2022 and by 2024 it was down to 700k/day. It's been on a downward trend for awhile.
>"Komm, süsser Tod" plays quietly in the distance

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>>42986195
Dang, I knew 4chan was slowing down, but I didn't know posting was down almost 50%. It's even worse when you remember some of the posts now are from bots.

>>42986212
Because those are mostly gachafags and actual koreans

>>42986212
I'd rather the main Cup die and just let the board have invitationals with a single year Champions League with each board sending their two teams that won the most recent leagues.

>>42986319
To be fair I assume 2022 isn't the best point of comparison, what did it look like before covid?

>>42986396
Probably only 4 boards can maintain board leagues

>>42986328
tbf bot posting is rather low these days with the new captcha

>>42986513
Right now there are 6 boards with active leagues (/vg/, /vt/, /vr/, /vm/, /mu/ and /mlp/), outside of that you have boards that had leagues in the past (/tv/, /a/, /pol/, /sp/, /co/, /u/, /int/ and /vp/ from what I remember), even if most of those weren't actually leagues and just some streamer making a couple of teams related to their homeboard and playing it just for fun

>>42985873
As an oldfag ex-manager I can safely say it's been like that since when I started managing back in 2013. There's always been tryhard teams.

The thing about managing "for fun" is that there will always be that one formation or tactic style that the PES you're playing on likes best, and if you're not playing that you are just going to be on the automatic backfoot (backhoof?) compared to people that do run that, whether they tryhard or not.

The thing about tryharding isn't neccesarily about winning, it's about wanting your players to score goals and provide entertaining content.

Look how popular the cup has become on /mlp/. That would not have happened if /mlp/ hasn't been a tryhard team. Success = fun.