It insists upon itself.

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>>43069927
It's a masterpiece.

>>43069935
Nope. It's terrible in every single conceivable way.

>>43069927
I hate FOE so much that instead of joining in on shitting on it, I'm hiding this thread so I don't see it!

i've never read it, despite being an oldfag who likes fics. I also had most of it spoiled to me, including the ending, years ago by a friend that I don't even talk to anymore.

I kind of like the idea of the ending. Also, it's kind of grim how they deal with the mane 6 in it. I can't remember what happens to AJ, but I know that pretty much all of them except for Fluttershy are already dead.

>>43069927
this

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>>43069947
AJ was the only one to get to a stable safely before megaspells hit and died several decades later of old age. She never left the stable after the end.
Rarity died in Canterlot during the last day, from Pink Cloud poisoning. Her final action was saving Fluttershy by teleporting her out of the city into the everfree.
Fluttershy survived, transformed into a tree by poison joke and forced to observe the destruction of Equestria over the centuries.
Pinkie Pie died in a Megaspell explosion in the Ministry Hub in Manehattan, just after she'd decided to turn her life around, overhaul the ministry and mend the things with Twilight.
Twilight died several days after the war. She survived the megaspell hit, sealed in a bunker at a research facility in Splendid Valley but was later consumed alive by the entity known as "the Goddess", born out of the combined minds of Trixie and several other unicorns that had also been in the facility at the time and were affected by extreme amounts of Impelled Metamorphosis Potion that breached containment after the megaspell exploded above.
Rainbow Dash's final fate is unknown. Littlepip even makes a comment about it in the later chapter. However, it is known that she survived the war as she was the first pegasus to break with the Pegasus Enclave and return to the scorched earth from the sealed skies, sparking the "Dashite" movement of pegasi with similar mindset.

I like Fo:E. Despite all it's faults, it's a very FiM story. Very tragic too. It makes you sad, it makes you smile and it's well written, what else do you need from a good fanfic?

>>43070047
>it's well written
pfft

>>43069927
YES! Finally someone brave enough to say it! Fall out equestria is shit with a stupid Mary Sue mc. Project Horizons was the superior story. Way better written, better characters and world building, more grounded. And less cuck bull shit... I don't consider speak cannon, I have no idea why they turned her into a pedophile.

>>43070181
Project Horizons was shit too. All FoE related media is shit.

>>43069927
So like is the Chosen One from Fallout 2 a Zebra or a Unicorn

>>43069927
People who judge objectively and don't have a pony bias say it's shit.
People who autistically love both Fallout and FiM say it's a masterpiece.
This means it's objectively not good. It's a bad Fallout fic that just happened to be set in FiM. Hearing that a pony fic is good from a pony fan is NOT an objective and good indicator of a well written story. People love pony because it's pony, regardless of poor writing.

>>43070285
I made my fren from /v/ read Fo:E. He tried to finish it but dropped after Red Eye's death I think. He said it was like reading someone's lets play, he liked references to all Fallout games pushed into one story. He said the story is really hit or miss but most of the time it's really boring. Some characters are annoying and dyke shit. He gave it like 4/10 or smth.

>>43070181
>stupid mary sue mc
>shills project horizons
what?

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>>43069927
For normal people, it's only the best fic ever, but for Slavic people, it's the second bible.

>>43070515
>for Slavic people, it's the second bible
No wonder all FoE games come from Slavs.

>>43070515
>>43070543
this is odd because you'd expect slavs praising Ukrainian Stalker over American Fallout, they even had Stalker conventions in Russia and Ukraine. I have no idea why there is no popular My Little Stalker fics or games from Slavs

>>43070546
FoE came out 6 months after the pilot; so it was pretty quick to fill in that niche. After that, Stalker would have had no chance. It would have needed to come out before that.

>>43069927
Write a better one.
>>43070018
Frankly, Pinkie and her ministry is the worst thing that happened to Equestria. It damaged the hearts and souls of ponies worse than the war, the apocalypse, the betrayal of the pegasi and all the dark magic combined. Letting her die was merciful, I have no fucking clue how anybody can even approach mending a mess that big.

>>43070553
>Frankly, Pinkie and her ministry is the worst thing that happened to Equestria
But she brought us those rad drugs!

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>>43069927
I've read or tried to read FoE and around a dozen sidefics to it in the past year. They all have major problems, and the majority are probably not worth reading. But the few that did make an emotional connection were absolutely captivating, and got more invested in a piece of fiction that I've ever been.

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>>43070549
Derailing this thread, but, if any Slav anon are stopping by. Why would Fallout be better to you guys than stalker?

Fallout seems very shallow on its themes and story at large (when taking the Bethesda entries into consideration, less so with just the interplay ones) idk it just seems to be more focused on the retro future look and dark jokes than anything else. Doesnt leave much to think about rather than that.
While on the other hoof, stalker's story is next to inexistant but but it's leaves a lot more to think and theorize about, especially when it has multiple "canons"? (Kinda) That all have their own outlook, roadside picnic being different to the Tarkovski film and then the games and so on.

Idk I just feel stalker is more enjoyable because the vibe of being in bumfuck nowhere Ukraine hiding from emissions, looking for concrete antigravity bread that makes your dick grow 10x its size some far fuck will pay pennies for until I try to reach a monolith that may or may not be a stand in for faith and God (or just a monkey paw machine, or hiding a bunch of fags that live in the pod unironically) is more appealing than fallout.
Also anomalies and mutant mug fallout's creatures.
Though I'll give it to the first game dying in the badlands as a Canon ending is pretty based as a conclusion.

>>43070683
>Why would Fallout be better to you guys than stalker?
Fallout Equestria existed, Stalker Equestria didn't exist.
Also the premise of Fallout Equestria is that ponies and other species fucked their own world, while the premise of Stalker would be that ayylmaos came to Equestria and left their 5D garbage bag on it.
>the vibe of being in bumfuck nowhere Ukraine hiding from emissions
If you consider EQG to be canon then the only logical place for the Exclusion Zone would be Canterlot with its mirror to the human world.

So one setting would have whole Equestria and the rest of the pony world, and the other only a small Exclusion Zone. It's really easy to see which setting has more potential.

>>43070459
Blackjack earns every power up, every win comes at two loses. Power without the ability to save the ones she loves is a fate crueler than being weak. Yes, I know she literally becomes a black and red alicorn. Yes I know she dies three times. Yes there is hella plot armor and the story probably drags on for about 400k words more than it needs to be. But I will forever stand by the fact project horizons was the best story with the best pacing when on the msq. And the best character development. There wasn't ton of back sliding but actual growth. A suicidal person doesn't get better because of one good day. And this story shows that. It reminds me of when Deadpool saves a suicide jumper and takes them out for a day, only to leave them at a hospital after. Saying, I'm not a doctor and one good day isn't a cure. It also vastly expands on the world way more than kkat ever did.

>>43070683
>Why would Fallout be better to you guys than stalker?
Sralker is not really a creative setting IMO
with FO you have retro-futurism, criticism of statism, various groups that try to rebuild the world, etc
Stalker is just a gay Exclusion Zone with paranormal activity and various gangs of equally boring homosexuals

>>43070018
>entity known as "the Goddess"
>Impelled Metamorphosis Potion
>Pegasus Enclave
Holy slop.
>>43070299
>references to all Fallout games
I hate references to other univserses. They all prim.

>>43070810
>Various gangs of equally boring homosexuals
I kek'd

>>43070796
first, understand that I think littlepip is totally a mary sue, what I'm calling out here is saying that bj isn't one as well and I will be comparing the 2 on that basis
>Blackjack earns every power up, every win comes at two loses
backjack undergoes losses for some of the powerups she gets but a lot of things she just gets for free, I can understand the robot parts being losses but she also:
is a direct descendent of twilight with strong magic
unwittingly becomes a major member of the reapers and queen of the society (yes she didn't choose those but the drawbacks were pretty minor compared to the authority it gave her)
becomes the leader of the hoof twice (as cognitum and herself)
makes friend with littlpip and her friends
collects all magical statuettes
gets trusted with gardens of equestria by spike
gets a tv series about her
finds and befriends discord
ends up making friend with everyone she meets and doesn't kill (the town with stable 69 in it and boing being the only exception I can think of)
most of the people she kills intentionally are either crazy (including raider virus), pure evil (legate) and/or going to kill everyone around if she doesn't, the only exception I can think of are the zodiacs she kills)
the people she gets killed accidentally are usually outside of her controls or things she gets easily forgiven for
she ends up ageless and littlepip's best friend

>Power without the ability to save the ones she loves is a fate crueler than being weak
this is a cruel fate but doesn't make her not a mary sue, she still is near universally liked, survived multiple things she shouldn't have and has gotten every bit plot armor along the way
she lost p21, glory and technically lacunae, in a story 4 times as long as foe, she got 3 times littlepip's number of losses, I'd say that's pretty fair

>Yes, I know she literally becomes a black and red alicorn. Yes I know she dies three times. Yes there is hella plot armor
acknowledging those doesn't make them be less marry suey.
she survives:
getting dismembered and having her heart stop for days
having a ship fall on her twice
getting her soul pulled out of her twice
being in the direct blast radius of a megaspel twice
litterally dying (and comming back as a blank but with her soul and all her memories)

1/2

>>43070810
>various gangs of equally boring homosexuals
That's literally Fallout Equestria

>>43070796
>>43070924

in terms of plot armor and narative coincidences, she has also some ridiculous feats:
a couple of deus ex machinas, the one I remember most being in hightower
killing joke jut stopping on its own on her after a while
everything to do with folly, I know it has bad side effects but it hardly changes it from being an automatic win button every time it is used
finding everything there is to know about goldenblood, a stalion who himself values secrets as one of the most important things there is
having the ec1101 mcguffin while being able to discover all of said secrets allowing her to open and even use them
meeting rainbow dash and assisting her

>And the best character development. There wasn't ton of back sliding but actual growth
I feel like this one was well done for her companions but for blackjack herself the only thing I feel she learned was during the early chapters when she learned how fucked up 99 was but after that, she just keeps getting pushed along and is more of a character that reacts to what happens to her rather than really grows from it

> A suicidal person doesn't get better because of one good day
I agree that this part was pretty well done

with all those things, I really don't see how littlepip could be a mary sue if blackjack isn't

2/2
wtf are those capchas

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>>43070925
But I like Yuri, especially toxic Yuri.
>>43070929
This is very well thought out and objectively you are correct. If I was to actually review the story, there's no way I could avoid the fact that she is a Mary Sue. Her plot armor defies even the implausible realm of the foe world. But I consider the auto win button kind of nessary for any story like this, where the character is just so hopelessly outmatched. The writer will quickly keep finding the character in situations where they couldn't possibly win. And I don't recall folly being used sparingly because of the hyper rare nature of the amo. That being said I don't consider her Mary Sue because she is really pretty and I want to fuck her.

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>>43071000
>That being said I don't consider her Mary Sue because she is really pretty and I want to fuck her.
you win this argument my good sir

>>43069927
TRVTH NVKE.
It's just MLP autism plus Fallout autism.

>>43070683
>if any Slav anon are stopping by. Why would Fallout be better to you guys than stalker?
Russian fag here. I'm not sure i can give a direct answer, but i'll pitch in with some of my thoughts.

Stalker is cool, but it's cool in a sense of "wow, it's a cool game in a familiar setting! Looks just like the place i grew up in!". It was the first big game of that kind set in a post-soviet country, and it was very exciting. If you are American, image if all videogames for decades were set in China and then suddenly you get an AAA title set in the US for the first time.

Fo:E is different in a sense that it's a story about friendship and hope blossoming and prevailing in the Equestrian wasteland. It's a story that would be very appealing to anyone who grew up in a depressing place (like this country) which is in some sense similar to the world described in the book. You can't help but draw parallels with reality, even if subconsciously.
I think the reason why it became so big is the same why MLP itself became so popular in eastern europe - the series is something bright and hopeful, something that makes you smile. Fo:E adds danger, thrill, excitement and tragedy to the mix. Sunshine and Rainbows in the wasteland. How can you not like it?

>>43071272
Yeah it's what I guessed.
I feel I prefer stalker due to it being more "exotic" and about thinking about its themes rather than it's story, while fallout less so and I guess vice versa for slav anons.
I mean if you grew up in a krushevka or brejnevka listening to kino and maybe akwarium with the depressing atmosphere stalker really does feel like more of the same while fallout is more novel.
Pretty interesting takes to be honest.

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I asked myself, what does the Chinese fanbase think of FoE, and I stumbled across this review (translated), which I found deeply kek:
>I was profoundly, deeply moved; even though I had only begun reading halfway through, I was utterly captivated - completely unable to tear myself away. This is not merely a good book, but a wondrous one, forged from blood and tears, from light and rainbows. Its emotions are truths so profound that understanding them takes an entire lifetime. Who could ever have imagined that this wasteland - a desolation that corrodes feeling and virtue - would be granted such breathtaking redemption?
>Farewell. That is all I can say to this book. Sometimes parting makes us turn back without realizing it, makes us whisper goodbye again and again, and that farewell burns the most beautiful mark into our lives. This book is the same, isn’t it?
>We who live in a world overflowing with materialism have also grown numb because of this “wasteland,” haven’t we? And at its end, won’t there be a light that cuts through the darkness? And that light - isn’t it the word so familiar to fans?
>Friendship. At least, that is what I believe with all my heart.

>>43069927
I read through it once. Thought it was okay. Saw a physical version of it and PH. But unfortunately I was too slow to get the original, so I ended up just buying project horizons.

>>43071446
>Its emotions are truths so profound that understanding them takes an entire lifetime.
Kek. I like Fo:E and can share the sentiment to a degree, but this is a bit too much

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>>43071446
foe is pretty popular in china, I've met a bunch of people who like it at chinese cons, the funny thing is that a lot of them haven't even read it or read it in full cause it's harder to find a translated version in china, they also don't know much of the sidefics, sometimes they will know of ph and blackjack and one time I met one who liked puppysmiles from pink eyes but that's about it, pretty sad for a murkyfag such as myself

>>43071720
>a lot of them haven't even read it
If you can be a fan of foe without reading it, I can hate foe without reading it.

>>43071000
I want blackjack to wrap her legs around me and force me to sniff snorf her unkempt crotch fur. Lil pip could never.

>>43071720
>it's harder to find a translated version in china
How? China basically has its own Fimfiction and there is a translated FoE there, right? I'm pretty sure there is one even if it seems like you need an account to access it because it's an 18+ story or some bullshit.

Sans undertale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbj6eYVMTT0

>>43072124
Whoops, wrong thread

>>43072058
>it's harder to find a translated version in china
I was told that by only one source so take it with a grain of salt but the part where a lot of them haven't read much of it seems to hold true with a bunch of people I talked with
>China basically has its own Fimfiction and there is a translated FoE there, right?
yeah, it's https://fimtale.com/ but I wasn't able to find foe on it, there is pink eyes and some others though, I know china has some pretty strict laws about the kind of media that can be shared online so I don't know if I searched wrong or if it's just not here

>>43071446
If they like FoE so much, where can I shill Remains to them?

So this is the thread where we goon over Blackjack femdom right?
>>43071837
>>43071000
Oh yeah, this is the thread.

>>43072686
I want blackjack to force me to suck stalion cock to clean them after they fucked her anon. And to be her personal birth control by licking all the cum out of her cunt, no homo.

>>43072785
I will push through this cortisol spike and remain calm and resolute

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>>43070018
>transformed into a tree

>>43070018
Conversely,
Rarity split her soul into 42 pieces.
Twilight is absorbed into one of many of the consciousness of Unity.
Only AJ and Pinkie are really confirmed dead.
I like to think that once all the statuettes are brought together, Rarity would come back like a lich. Twilight gets ejected to one of the alicorns after the Maripony gets blown up and RD could be a ghoul somewhere. Just my cringe headcanon.

>>43072849
Nah rainbowdash is impossible, unless she was the maredowell. I can't remember the full arc. But dash being alive and being quiet about it? No way.

>>43072849
>Just my cringe headcanon.
???
Write a fanfic and it's as legitimate as the main story.
>>43072871
>But dash being alive and being quiet about it? No way.
If she is a ghoul she might want ponies to remember her pony image and don't taint it with her current ghoul state.

>>43072875
Thats why I could see the maredowell plot point. Helmet to cover her face. Can still do stuff while letting "rainbow dash" die a legend. If I recall it was confirmed the madedowell was real and out there doing stuff. But not who? It would be perfect.

>>43072875
shit you're right why didn't I think of that
>>43072894
PH already does RD ghoul as maredowell... except it's shit because it's PH

>>43072785
typical PH fan

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>>43072151
Here it is on Fimtale: https://fimtale.com/t/269
but I guess maybe it doesn't show up in search results if you are not logged in or doesn't come up at all due to it being an 18+ story?
I wonder if somebody has written original FoE sidefictions on there.

>>43069935
This. And Project Horizons is even better. Unironically my favorite story ever, fanfiction or otherwise.

>>43069927

In a nutshell, here is what is wrong with it:

>Plotting
kkat structured his story like an open-world video game: there's a "main" string of quests that forms the backbone of the plot, and a bunch of smaller modular side quests that can be done at any time and in any order. The player can wander in and out of the main plot at leisure; the story won't advance until he completes the next main-plot quest, and in the meantime he can do as many side quests as he wants. In a game this structure works fine, but in a long-form written story it feels meandering and illogical. Littlepip is constantly breaking away from whatever she's supposed to be doing to explore some random area or rescue some random NPC, even when she has far more pressing tasks to worry about. Most of the side quests don't add much to the overall story either; there are large portions of this story that could have been cut at no loss.

Also, even without filler the main plot is meandering and incoherent. Littlepip leaves the stable to go look for Velvet Remedy, but gives up on this almost immediately and just wanders around the wasteland for multiple chapters with no discernable objective. There's not even a glimmer of an overall goal for her until something like 10-15 chapters into the story as I recall.

>Characters
Most of the original characters in FoE are half-baked concepts that could have been good but weren't.

Littlepip: No goals, motivations, or interesting character traits. Primarily driven by a generic sense of morality that can be summed up as "wasteland bad, me angry, must fix." With nothing significant in her backstory to shape her values, her constant moralizing comes across as preachy and obnoxious. It's not a good sign if your main character is the most boring and unlikable character in your story, particularly if she's also the narrator and your story is 600,000 words long.

Velvet: Also very dull, also comes across as highly unlikable. No defining traits apart from being obsessed with Fluttershy for some stupid reason. Like Littlepip, she leaves the stable for a dumb non-reason, wanders around for awhile, then joins up with Littlepip's group because she has nothing better to do.

Calamity: His backstory as a disgraced Enclave officer, whose father and brother are themselves high-ranking officers, could have provided some interesting storylines. Unfortunately none of it was ever fully developed, and what little development exists is awkwardly mashed in towards the end of the story.

Steelhooves: Has probably the most fleshed-out backstory of any of the main characters, but contributes very little to the main story. If Steelhooves is doing anything interesting, it means you're probably in a memory orb.

The Zebra: I don't remember a single goddamn thing about this character, not even her name. That is how little of an impression she made on me.

>>43073133
>Concept/Setting/Lore
Despite the amount of credit people give FoE for having an original, interesting and well-thought-out world, most of the setting is just loosely ponified stuff from the actual Fallout games, specifically Fallout 3. Kkat came up with very few original ideas. All he really deserves credit for is taking two extremely popular things at the height of their popularity and mashing them together. Just about anyone familiar with both franchises could have produced a story as good or better, kkat just happened to do it first.

>Mary Sue Protagonist
Littlepip is the worst kind of Mary Sue. She begins the story as a completely dull nobody with no skills beyond basic levitation and Pip-buck repair. By chapter 7 she's throwing boxcars at alicorns. Her levitation is the most ridiculously overpowered ability I've ever seen in a work of fiction. There are basically no limits on what she can lift or what she can do.

Despite having no firearms training she's an expert marksman, mostly due to her pip-buck's auto-aiming feature, a power that conveniently enough nobody else in the wasteland seems to have. She is constantly getting hit with stuff that logically ought to kill her, yet somehow she not only survives but triumphs. Not only does she triumph, but 9 times out of 10 she triumphs in the most absurd way possible.

Steelhooves is a 200 year old Steel Ranger, and Calamity was an officer in the Enclave. Both of them have been in the wasteland far longer than she has, and know far more about weapons and combat than she does. Yet somehow, armed with nothing but basic unicorn telekinesis whatever meager combat skills she picked up while exploring the wasteland for a couple of weeks, Littlepip constantly outshines her friends and is the undisputed hero in nearly every situation. Despite having zero redeeming character traits, she is hailed as a hero wherever she goes, and is loved by everyone she meets. The universe just bends around this character. I have never in my life hated a fictional horse as much as I hated Littlepip in Fallout Equestria.

>Party Dynamics
Ties into my last point. If the author had any sense, he would have leaned into the RPG dynamics of his setting and created a competent, durable party. Each member should have strengths and weaknesses. Overall, they should be stronger together than any of them are on their own, and they should solve challenges by working as a team, with each member focusing on what they do well. Logically, it should be Calamity and Steelhooves doing most of the fighting and heroics. Velvet should be healing and casting protection spells, Littlepip should be picking locks and fixing mechanisms, and the zebra should do... whatever the hell the zebra was good at. Instead, the whole story is just Littlepip being an ultra-badass while everyone around her applauds.

I could go on, but it's late.

Final verdict: objectively speaking, this fic sucked.

>>43072849
>all the statuettes
He wrote in his character collecting the bobbleheads?! This really is a Fallout 3 playthrough with "PONY" plastered all over it.