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Come one and all to the meta-writefag and help raise the quality of MLP fanfiction! Featuring: Them old timey torpedo titties!

ITT: The heights of Dr. Seuss, keeping their horrific and degenerate nature under the janny's radar, Apple parents snuff fic, irony means "thing I dislike", the inherently cucked medium of horseprose, why am I bothering to defend fanfiction, saying a puppy isn't cute because you vomited all over it, fucking Scootaloo's abusive mom, being overthrown as a form of retirement, anyone who dislikes my work simply read it wrong, Ponyville's officially appointed rapist would have managed at least 30 rapes, that old Harry Potter spy fic my mom made me read, Chrysalis' incest baby fic was less infuriating, SubscribeStar killing Fimfiction for good, but which is based and which is cringe?, you're totally right—and the fact that you noticed shows just how much of a literary mastermind you are, denying the right to post on Fimfic to third-worlder ESLs, and writing for drooling mongoloids!

>/fimfic/ Secret Book Club
The one hundred and sixty-ninth book is Twilight Sparkle and the Cake Thief!
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/301618/twilight-sparkle-and-the-cake-thief
If (You) want to participate, finish the story by Sunday, March 15th.
>Recommended stories:
Tired of adventures that meander for a million words? Fed up with super special OCs? Well, we've compiled the best of the worst in order to bring you our absolute average!
New Starter Kit - http://mlpficreviews.org.uk/starter/
Old Starter Kit - http://i.imgur.com/vuTA7EN.png

>Common fic abbreviations used by the thread:
https://ponepaste.org/7317

>A list of reviews made by the Anons in this thread:
http://www.mlpficreviews.org.uk
Use the commands ">review <story link>" and ">discuss <story link>" to add reviews to a story.
Userscript for extra features: https://ponepaste.org/8619

>An in-depth writing guide for beginners:
https://eznguide.neocities.org/

>Additional material for authors:
Rhorse's Horse Behavioral Notes - https://ponepaste.org/932
Politics and the English Language - https://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit/
Vhatug's tips for anatomically correct clop - https://poneb.in/g4VpEg4f
Purdue Online Writing resources: https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/index.html and https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/subject_specific_writing/creative_writing/writers/index.html

>Can you pre-read my story?
Post it on Google Docs or HackMD with comments enabled and give us a link.

>Various reviews and riffs:
Fillyanon's Bookshelf - https://ponepaste.org/5555
Notkickass222urmom's Reviews - https://pastebin.com/u/notkickass222urmom
IHeartShinzakura's Reviews - https://ponepaste.org/user/IHeartShinzakura
Appleanon reads fics - https://poneb.in/wmGX7FPm
Deluxe Big Master Review List - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z9Bz7UnEbxo-svlXa2tV49PJkP-yFuR7pRXiBUn-IeU
A Guide to Rational Fics - https://files.catbox.moe/3jzrfm.png

Previous Thread: >>43088168
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With all that's going on, I feel like we're rapidly approaching the death of the site.
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2nd for best 2uo!
Enjoy this conveniently packaged Tuna: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/301618/twilight-sparkle-and-the-cake-thief
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>>43105980
4chan or Fimfiction?
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>>43105988
With any luck, both
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>>43105977
Oops, I didn't catch that it cut off "molesting"
>>43105988
Fimfiction
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>>43105977
Should've updated the club with the Archetypist.
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>>43105980
But I haven't even written my masterpiece yet!
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>>43105993
It's not technically wrong, since we have yet to finish Cake Thief. Also, I thought we were splitting The Archetypist over two weeks, but I don't know when we're stopping next week.
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>>43106000
10 chapters would get us just past half.
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>>43105977
Reminder: Ai is synonymous with low quality. If you use Aislop in any form then don't expect it to be read
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Anypony willing to spoonfeed a newtard on how the book club works? Raributt as payment.
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>>43106060
Look at how the club went last Sunday, follow the replies: >>43090409
Do that. Pick an unused flag if you want to be followable in a conversation.
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>>43105977
When the majority of the past thread references in the OP are of your own posts, does that mean you're the funniest guy in the fimfic thread?
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Any fics that run with the old movie concept of Celestia and Luna having a long lost brother?
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>>43106084
Immortal Game with the long-lost evil father, and he sort of makes a brother for them at one point, though that brother ends up a pretty minor character
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>>43106099
I meant using the actual movie concept as a base.
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>>43106060
I accept your offering. The club works like this. Every Sunday, some time after 10:00 Eastern, Rariflag posts the anchor, which he labels with /FSBC/ so you can search in the archive later. He begins his post by apologizing for being late. But, he continues, he only just finished reading, which also explains why his thoughts aren't in order yet. He makes sure to have at least one indefensible hot take. Twiflag replies and complains about the presence of the stallions. Someone else replies and confuses Rariflag with Kassaz. If the fic involves Twilight or Luna, and sometimes even if it doesn't, Tunafag replies, complains about the lack of Tuna, and spews a bunch of non sequiturs. Then Rariflag remembers that he forgot to ask about next week's fic, so he lists a bunch of fics. The goal is to read between 30k and 50k per week, so we make sure to always pick a fic where a major story arc concludes around either 25k or 60k, but not in between. Finally, when a new thread is baked, the baker either gets the count wrong or forgets to update the club at all.
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>>43105992
>Applejack molesting autistic fillies
It's hilarious that people are still talking about this. It's a big subject, popular subject. And who wouldn't, right? Who wouldn't find Applejack narrowly escaping sexually charged situations with a mentally disabled little Twilight clone appealing? I know I would. It's a very compelling premise. I wouldn't blame Applejack for what she would do or not do, by the way, because everypony gets into situations like that sometimes.
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>>43106077
One thing I've noticed, having baked many threads over many years, is that some threads are funnier than others. Sometimes, we're all really on top of our game: There are lots of jokes that land well enough and are pithy enough that I want to put them in the ITT. Other times, a thread isn't funny and I struggle to fill the ITT. (Other bakers include less humor and more discussion topics in the ITT. I lean a lot toward humor.) The previous thread contained moderate-to-low amounts of humor. I hold my own jokes to a higher standard if I'm baking (putting them in the ITT feel self-indulgent), and I guess that this time, that left mostly you. But there are threads where I have twice as much material for the ITT as there is room, and I don't think all of that material is from you and me.
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>>43106212
>because everypony gets into situations like that sometimes.
Statistically 100% of all Midnight Sparkle filly molestations have been committed by Applejack.
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Fics where Ponyville's only Foal Services worker has their work cut out for them and then some?
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>>43106224
What're the goin' rates for these "foal services"? Just askin' a neighbor, heh heh.
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>>43106231
This is why we put her in foster care and gave YOU an ankle monitor, Applejack.
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>>43106129
nailed it
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>>43104727
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/103889/the-gang-blows-up-the-rainbow-factory
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/121754/baj-and-haj-in-equestria
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/117757/poo-poo-my-doo-doo-part-7
Your fic must have been particularly awful since there's stuff like this from the "serious website" era of mods approving all stories--not just the first two.

>>43104877
>When did Sunset abuse become a thing?
I'd guess since the "Anon-A-Miss" IDW comic. That jumpstarted a whole genre of EqG fics.

>>43105257
>AI's allowed for translations now
Interesting that Knighty's caved on that.

>>43105567
>fitting pic
Because those don't always exist. Try finding an image of a rune circle on one of the boorus that has just the empty rune circle in it. No character sitting or floating above it. It doesn't exist because artists have a strange aversion to landscapes with no characters in them (I assume for horsefame reasons, much like fic authors don't like OCs).

The boorus are great for M6/canon characters in Comedy/SoL/Adventure contexts, but get increasingly barren the further from those tags you get and it can be impossible for OC fics given how the landscapes tend to go on the sites.

>>43106042
>don't expect it to be read
The thread constantly seething about AI fics in the featured box the mods don't delete seems to disprove this notion.

>>43106084
Upheaval's entire plot is about their brother and the convoluted "canon" warfic he's running in behind the curtain. It's a deadfic series, though, and I'm not sure how much resolution there is since I hopped off once the alicorn pantheon and Lucifer villain started ramping up.
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>>43106224
It must suck, really. Sure you got Midnight Sparkle to finally start talking, even if it's just math equations, and you got out off Sweet Apple Acres and she understands that masturbating in public is bad. But Celestia declined your request to have her legal name be something other than "Lil Aspie Apple". Meanwhile Scootaloo's foster parents turned out to be violent drunks that work at the child murder factory (this is the third time this month), Twilight is trying to adopt an age regressed version of Flim (Flam's clone having violently exploded during the resurrection ritual, but it turns out the cult was just a ponzi scheme by the two original brothers to begin with), and it turns out there was another mix-up at the DNA testing labs so you don't even know if Sweetie Belle is biologically Rarity's daughter anymore, and at this point you're just having her stay with Hughbert Jellius at this point on account of his sexuality being so impossible to define that you're at least certain he's not a pedophile, making him an outlier in Ponyville, and Spike has been legally declared a kind of houseplant despite your best efforts.

You'd kill yourself, but that'd mean they'd just give your job to the official town rapist since he really needs the money.
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tl;dr
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>>43106536
>rape
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>>43106129
Raraflag being late is my fault for slowly converting him to a different board btw.
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>>43106709
/trash/ies....
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Secretly starting a new fic, in
>/FSBC/

is almost completely tonally disjointed from the first. I actually liked it much more (I'll get to that in a moment), but the first fic ends the moment Twilight sets her trap, and what follows effectively reads like a different story. The first is formally about the SoL'y [Mystery], but really it's about younger pre-S1 Twi interacting with ponies and Twilighting in a low-stakes, enjoyable story; it is fluff, but a decent fluff. The second part, however, takes an IMMEDIATE dive into the tragic part of the story of the Two Sisters, and the narration matches it with a wistful, mysterious tone of nostalgia. Luna is the main character, Twilight secondary (with almost none of her fun part 1 charm), and everypony else disappears from the fic without as much as saying goodbye. The second part of the fic has none of the lightness, but it exchanges that for such a lovely sense of mystery and longing. Do they fit in the same story? No, not particularly. But it made for an unusual experience and revived the fic for me; at the time, I was starting to get bored with it. Why?

Because the second thing I must bring up is that the fic cheats! Doing a pre-canon non-AU fic imposes certain restrictions on you, namely how that story fits with canon and how you can go about mentioning relevant information that the characters do not know at this point. Yet this fic decided to completely toss that idea to the trash, milking FiM's best story for all its worth and then some—only to cope itself back into canon with what is basically a memory wipe. Okay, the author is clearly at least somewhat capable, so he tried to justify himself and escape the pointlessness and fakeness of the 'conflict' with, "But some part remains, and that's how we got to EP1!" It is still pretty fundamentally lazy and must be called out. He tries to eat his cake and have it too, ha ha. It was really annoying when he held onto it like a crutch, constantly prodding the reader with "Look, it's LUNA!11!!".

And then you have the epilogue. I must stress that I really liked the Luna part of the story, despite my criticism of the creative process that led there. What can I say? People can be divided into two groups: those who still gush over the C&L story in 2k12+14, and those who have bad taste. The atmosphere in the moonlit encounter was amazing. The Tuna epilogue, then, exists to both make that part more valuable in the context of the show and to basically justify the fic's existence. It succeeds on both fronts, imo. This is a really good ending. Also, it helps that the author is a pretty capable writer, efficiently conveying the moods* and subtleties of each scene.
*Younger Twi using the subjunctive was cute. In general, the characterizations and character voices come through very strongly here for Twi, Spike, Luna, and Celestia. Shiny, too!
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>>43106755
Yes! Finally got it down to the exact second this week! The secret was to use a small pic and post on 59:59

(2/2)
Then there's the rest of the stuff I'd like to say but that I just ran out of space for. I don't like listing stuff out like this, but needs must. I won't be late again. In no particular order:
>The author's headcanons kind of suck more often than not.
>The part 1 plot threads all go nowhere (the colt lmao), but Shiny's scenes with Twi are a definite highlight (aside from the Celestia's tower scene).
>The repeated insistence on making esoteric practices is weird and unnecessary.
>Of all bad headcanons, making The Nightmare a separate, [potentially Sombra-born] entity is particularly awful.
>The technical writing quality holds up nicely all fic.
>Bringing up Twilight's Castle in the epilogue is understandable, but I still hated it.
>Between this and the Rosefic, I think the author is much better at this atmospheric, emotional writing than SoL.
I am definitely missing a lot, but there are about 3 minutes until club posting time, and I've yet to look this over.

Next week, The Archetypist!
>https://www.fimfiction.net/story/434003/the-archetypist
But we'll be splitting it into two halves, with chapters 1-9 on week 1 and 10-18(+coda) on week 2. Good luck.
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>>43106755
Well from the last chapter of last week to the end was great. I'm glad it was more than just Celestia taking the slices each year. I certainly wasn't expecting hardcore time magic that also erases memories. Nor was I expecting it to be some sort of byproduct of the elements. Also the purpleness really shines in these same chapters, the settings are all very nice for it. That said I do think the fic could've been 10k+ words less and been better off for it. The characters ended up being irrelevant. As did most things pre trunk mishap which honestly give the fic a weird feeling. Not bad in any way, and I definitely ended up liking it since the 2nd half showed its true colors. But the kitchens, the teens, sable sleuth, it all simply doesn't matter once the sting happens and is never mentioned again. Also suddenly the stakes of the story skyrocket far beyond what was essentially just SoL up to that point when Twilight and Luna go on their little time stop date.
>at least nine hundred students
Wtf
>Luna figures out the date from the stars
kino

>>43106755
>Secretly starting a new fic ... is almost completely tonally disjointed from the first. I actually liked it much more
Completely agree lol, and furthermore it doesn't suffer from Twi being a teen like the whole first part does
>Luna is the main character, Twilight secondary (with almost none of her fun part 1 charm), and everypony else disappears from the fic without as much as saying goodbye
lmao agreed again, rip dumbass OC, no one will miss you and only bubbles cupcake is even mentioned
>The atmosphere in the moonlit encounter was amazing.
yup, the highlight of week 1 was universally agreed to be the tower, and Luna's actual scene was just that but amplified
>>43106763
>picrel
>>The part 1 plot threads all go nowhere (the colt lmao), but Shiny's scenes with Twi are a definite highlight (aside from the Celestia's tower scene).
Yeah, they make for fine individual scenes more often than not, but they really do just seems like SoL
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>>43106755
My review for the week: I didn't finish the fic lol
Sounds like there might have been something more interesting if I powered through. Maybe I'll get back to it at some later point...
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>>43106755
It was secretly a Tunafic all along! Yippeeee!
Man, the timestop with Luna was magical. Both because of the spell itself and because of the atmosphere. The imagery of walking through a frozen and time-frozen Canterlot blizzard as Luna slowly regains her memories, revolving around the golden tether, had such a wonderful, ethereal quality to it. The Tuna conversations were great, and I especially liked all of the hints binding them with the thread of fate.

And the Tuna reprise was good, too. Very romantic setting at the top of Luna’s tower, evocative imagery again, and I liked the implications of the line at the end as referring to more than just the Tantabus.

As for the in between bits, I’m glad that the bakery ponies subplot was cut short in the second half, and I’m especially glad that the memory reset didn’t get squeezed all the way back into canon compliance. The thing I disliked the most were the "logic trains" where the author several times teases a deduction almost predicting future canon and then veering off at the last minute. They felt like very meticulously considered filler.

>>43106763
>Of all bad headcanons, making The Nightmare a separate, [potentially Sombra-born] entity is particularly awful.
All the times Luna said it was her, plus the dreamlike nature of the time spell allowed me to headcanon that it was some weird metaphysical coincidence that allowed the Nightmare to be separated from Luna for a while. There are tons of The Nightmare is Luna fics with Luna's personality distinctly existing under the surface to allow for it, anyway.
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>>43106779
>That said I do think the fic could've been 10k+ words less and been better off for it.
I think it should've been two separate stories. While yes, there is that part from 50% to 75% where the topic of Luna starts to come up in the context of the cake thief, I think having that plus the Luna chapters be a standalone fic would be simply better. And the first 50% could also stand on its own as SoL and a simple and lazy "it was just Celestia" resolution. Like you say, none of that matters to the actual good part of the fic.
>rip dumbass OC, no one will miss you
That's kind of rough, but yeah, I had enough of them by the end of week 1 so I won't cry over their disappearance. If you wouldn't sell the souls of some kids in exchange for Luna, are you even trying?
>but they really do just seems like SoL
And knowing where they end up (nowhere), it really is pointless in hindsight.

>>43106966
The last three chapters (15k words) are imo several times better than all the words up to that point. Good Luna has that effect on fics.

>>43106988
>It was secretly a Tunafic all along!
Yeah, you got lucky there. I didn't even read the character tags so Luna appearing was a great surprise.
>walking through a frozen and time-frozen Canterlot blizzard
It did remind me of Rose walking through the ghostly Ponyville. This author is at his best in those kinds of scenes.
>Tuna reprise was good, too.
Yep, yep. Really nice.
>memory reset didn’t get squeezed all the way back into canon compliance
I agree, but it's weird. This makes it AU, and also the insidious kind of AU where you're led to believe it has to comply with canon until you learn that it doesn't—at the very finale. That's cheating, too. I understand why he did this (the AU tag is a warning flag, and this is best read with the assumption that what you know from canon applies here, too), but it feels a little dirty.
>some weird metaphysical coincidence
I don't think that's the interpretation the fic tried to suggest. Maybe I can pretend that it is.
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>>43106966
>My review for the week: I didn't finish the fic lol
>Sounds like there might have been something more interesting if I powered through.
Yeah there definitely was. Truly the first half of the fic is ehhh and has barely anything to do with the second half

>>43106988
>It was secretly a Tunafic all along! Yippeeee!
kek
>Man, the timestop with Luna was magical. Both because of the spell itself and because of the atmosphere.
Yeah it really was

>>43107044
>I think it should've been two separate stories.
Yeah, maybe if the first part actually knew what it wanted to do it could've been more enjoyable for me

Also as some sort of weird vindication, the 2nd weeks reading opens up talking about Twilight crying about the trunk again. I think that reinforces my idea of it being a sad scene and not really a pony scene as you guys suggested
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>Good Tuna has that effect on fics.
FTFY.
Luna needs somepony to bounce off to be the best character she can be, Luna by herself being awesome is almost exclusively limited to DoWaS-style flank kicking. I'm also thinking of Princess of Space. Anyway, the options for getting anything nearly this good out of her in this story are just Celestia and Twilight, anypony else would've just been terrified of "Celestia's evil sister." And having Luna's walk be with Celestia would've been a different, overly predictable story.

That actually reminds me, my other complaint is that the mechanics of the cake theft are annoyingly inconsistent. Luna says that most of her trips were alone, but Celestia acts like hers were with Luna. The story acts like Luna taking Twilight's cutie confection back with her was unusual, resulting in "both slices" disappearing for the first time, where all the previous ones would've been eaten by Celestia on her walk back to the tether. If Luna was alone like she says, then she ate the cake each time, but when she says she was alone, she also says that she never made it back to the tether where the uneaten cake is always eventually found.

>the insidious kind of AU where you're led to believe it has to comply with canon until you learn that it doesn't
Given that I keep asking for this, there's no way I'll criticize the story for it. What's weird is that you also complain about stories binding themselves too tightly to canon, but now you're acting like it's a bad thing in this story, "cheating." I want FiMfics to leverage the difference in meaning of the AU tag on-site vs off-site. It's not AU because it's canon-compliant at the beginning, and FiMfic specifically allows the story to diverge from canon in its narrative while leaving the tag off. Obviously, if the fic had a sequel, then that would (barely) justify the tag.
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>>43106259
The thread exposed a bunch of nonwhites who can't write.
>Laundering ai garbage under the ai-translation allowed loophole.
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>>43107222
>ignoring all the pasty white "artists" who treat google translate as an exception to their AI whining because they've been using it forever and it lets them read their yaoi kusoge
Why do you think the term EOP is a thing
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>>43107245
>Implying google translate will write a fic for you
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>>43106259
>Interesting that Knighty's caved on that.
Like the comments say, it's not a change to the rules. It's a description of how the mods have already been treating LLM generated fics. People here and there have been complaining for a while that "translation" circumvents the authorship rule for ChatGPT writing too consistently. There've been several users that figured out the loophole and weren't stupid enough to say outright that an LLM wrote it, just that it was written by someone else in a different language, no you can't have the files, they're not in the cloud. It looks like at some point it was a policy change to call their bluff, which is good.
Also, it bears repeating that the translation exception is not at all new. There are more than a few stories on FiMfic posted by an author who didn't write the story but instead translated it pre-2023. I expect the mods have always allowed it as long as the original author doesn't have a FiMFic account.
Also, I only expect it to shave off a few more of the liars, some of them will figure out that you can just have a model translate its own output into Mandarin or something and post that as the proof.
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>>43107255
It will ruin whatever you input. A fic, a comic, a game dialogue. You'd know this if you paid attention during Spanish/French/whatever your high school taught
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>>43107255
>using google in when modern LLMs exist and are free
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Fics with Looney Tunes slapstick? Nonphysical humor does not appeal to me at all.
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>>43108037
A Witch In Broad Daylight
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>>43105980
qrd?
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>>43108131
SubscribeStar and AI, at least. I don't know if Anon had anything else in mind.
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>>43108139
huh what's going on with subscribestar
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>>43108150
See >>43098756. It's not clear whether they'll cut off Fimfiction. But Patreon did, and SubscribeStar is under similar pressure from payment processors.
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>>43108150
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=huh+what%27s+going+on+with+subscribestar&ia=web
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>>43108160
>97% chance of dying
fuggg
the entire point of SS is for adult content, the website is even "subscribestar.adult", rip I guess
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Just ban all NSFW, easy.
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>>43106261
>Twilight is trying to adopt an age regressed version of Flim
Kek, Celestia really did a number on her. The cycle of abuse will continue no matter what.
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Fics about tender foal-making sex between loving pony couples?
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>>43108473
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/465619/oh-golly
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How's that writing going?
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>>43109104
It's self indulgent and emotionally manipulative.
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Based eldorado keeping the brown aihorde at bay. Yes you are being gatekept, no one wants your slop. Cry about it
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>>43109369
You left out the best part!
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I have had an idea for a fic to write for a long time and I want to know what you people think about it. It would be a sorta short fic that I could theoretically extend into a long fic with a plot extending from the short fic but I don’t have the time for that anymore. This is just a general outline.

>its a normal day for celestia until a series of events gradually build in her a sense that she is forgetting something. Which noticeably nags at her and distracts her from her work until one final event (probably twilight related) jogs her memory of what it is. Something that had happened a very long time ago that she had forgotten. And she decides it’s important enough that she aught to relay to the major plot relevant ponies.
>there was a period a long time ago where equestria was facing a litany of problems for reasons nopony truly understood, and was on the brink of total collapse. As a result the princess has fallen into a pit of despair and hopeless. Consumed with the belief that she had failed her little ponies. And while it was written in the history books that she eventually determined how to resolve these issues and save her little ponies herself, that’s not what actually happened.
>what really happened, she says, is that at her darkest moment, some… thing, appeared before her.
>the thing told her of strange things. Of an ancient and powerful race of beings, who achieved accomplishments beyond anything she could have imagined, only to eventually be destroyed by the very means which brought them their success.
>the thing told her that it could teach her the secrets of these ancients, of the means by which they achieved their greatness. Means by which she could solve the problems of her own time and place, and elevate her own people to the same level.
>the thing told her that it would be willing to teach these things to her without any form of payment, but that it also could not tell her how or why those ancients truly fell directly, and that it would still come with a cost. That being that she would have to do what they could not, and prevent what caused the collapse of those ancients from happening to her own society. In addition, that by virtue of the nature of the knowledge that it would bestow on her, her state of consciousness would be altered in a manner that would enable her to utilize it, but also dispose her to losing awareness of it origins, and what consequences it could result in.
>celestia, after some deliberation, asks the thing to teach her how to same her little ponies.
>thus emerged a relationship between the things and the princess. The thing teaching her of those ancient creatures, and her saving her people.
>however she gradually began to forget that this knowledge was not coming from herself. And although she initially tried to fight back, eventually she was taken over by this belief, and forgot about the thing and the deal she made with it.
>until a long time later, something reminded her.
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>>43109448
Just this plot would not make for a good short fic. It's a prologue to some long epic novel but by itself has no substance. That is unless you have some interesting reveal or twist that can resolve this plot within the span of a short fic, like "and now that Celestia remembered this she realises that XXX" or "that she has to do YYY" or whatever. Like "Harmony allowed Equestria to flourish despite their advancements" or some shit, though that exact one would be quite shallow, I don't have any good ideas here though.

A long fic based on this could be either cool or extremely cringe. It's a relatively tryhard "deep" plot. If you can write well, a deep and serious plot can make for a very deep and impactful fic, but if you have a skill issue it just sounds tryhardy, edgy and uninspired.

Also, if your precursors are humans then that makes it even harder to pull off without being cringe, although people who love AiE and HFY might get you cheap views and likes. That said there's many ways to make the precursors work and be interesting and not just be an HFY, and I think that would make a fic like this a lot easier to write.
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>>43109491
Please don't make it humans.
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>>43109448
I agree with >>43109491 but I think there’s a way you can salvage a one-shot out of it: Make the story about Celestia’s decision. Show her meeting these beings. Have them describe the results to her (ideally they would actually be able to show a civilization which had accepted the offer). Make her indecisive and show her debating. The main conflict is whether she goes through with it. The story ends with her accepting the offer. If you really want to show present-day Equestria, that part needs to be limited to one or two paragraphs, something hardly more than: “Twilight said, ‘I found evidence of beings once visiting Equestria.” Celestia said, ‘Nonsense! I’m sure I would remember something like that!’” (proving the beings right about her forgetting) and that’s the end.

I also vote no humans. An ancient, star-faring pony civilization would be good. Or just make them completely unfamiliar.
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>>43109369
>matter of fact presentation in everything, no emotion
Weird, I feel like AI writing is usually the opposite. It likes to go for maximum intensity all of the time. Something epic happened; everypony was shocked; but then—they could hardly believe their eyes—something even more epic happened epically; their minds were blown; never in their lives had they witnessed such epicness.
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You guys know there's a length of fic between a oneshot and a long fic, right
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>>43109923
That loop of everyone soifacing is exactly what would be so fucking boring to read.
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>>43109104
It's skittish and euphoric.
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>>43110064
I think you're misunderstanding the suggestions. >>43109448 describes a backstory, not a plot. The only length of fic in that post is zero, because a fic needs a plot. So far, other anons have suggested turning the backstory into a one-shot and integrating the backstory into a longfic. If you want to propose a way to turn the backstory into a medium-length story, go ahead. The author is asking for feedback, after all.
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>>43110064
Nonsense. There are only extremes.
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>>43109104
Hit a snag because I've got to write the first half of this chapter with Pinkie being all melancholic, but I want it to have some seriousness before I go back to her regular self.
I'll rewatch Party of One tomorrow and see if that helps.
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>>43109104
Pretty good. I spent the last month turning "the flak umbrella was invented because the Wonderbolts might board your ship" into a 20k long naval battle where they they do just that.

>>43109448
I was expecting some kind of horror punchline at the end, like now that she remembered, the "thing" was now coming back to cash the check, but instead it just... ends. What's the conflict or resolution here? What's the reader getting out of it?

Maybe I'm misreading it, but the plot basically just sounds like: Celestia remembered she talked to some ancient alien thing that told her how to save Equestria but some vague bad thing might happen in the future, then she got everybody in a room and told them about it.

I'd say the problem is there's no skin the game for the reader, as >>43109491 said. The thing's not malevolent. The "cost" is vague and undefined and seemingly not that big of a deal. There's no real payoff at the end.

It doesn't seem like you're shooting for a horror angle but I feel like that's the best approach given the presented plot. Celestia makes a desperate bargain to save Equestria with a "thing" that talks about destroyed empires and their secrets it's willing to teach her, for an undisclosed future price. One it's now come to collect.
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>>43110485
This just sounds like a bad setup for a Fallen London crossover but with Celestia in place of Victoria.
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>>43109448
It sounds like a dream rather than something that would fit my narrow intuitive notion of an idea. Are you plagiarizing Morpheus' work, you bad boy, you?
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>>43109160
Can you really call yourself a manipulator if you haven't started a suicide cult?
>>43109923
He's confusing Runic for AI. I don't blame him.
>>43110064
>oneshots are for reading
>longfics are for pretending to have read
What are mediumfics for?
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>>43110557
>What are mediumfics for?
Leaving unfinished.
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>>43109104
I'm about 25k into a long story, but I took a break to work on an entry for the game jam. I'll get back to work on my story again as soon as the game's finished.
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>>43110487
That would actually be neat
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>>43109104
My one-shit is halfway done, too bad it's not horsewords
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Only 3 upvotes needed to make it to the box.
What's your excuse?
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>>43110960
I made it in with 2 once.
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>>43110960
Why would I want my masterworks to share space with Runig Treeslops?
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4 month break and only two fics on my list updated.
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>>43111479
You already share a living space with Kaz.
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I have recently waisted hours of my life doing something in an inefficient manner that produced an unsatisfactory result when a better way was right in front of my face the entire time and I didn’t think to try it because of my autistic tunnel vision.

Fics to soothe the pain?
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>>43112090
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/344673/poneo-and-fillyet
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>>43112090
That sounds like you tried to prompt AI into writing a good fic.
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>>43112118
lol, maybe in another life but not mine.

I’m trying to scan some obscure books with no digital copies for archival purposes with limited tools. And the method I thought was better wasn’t because now I can’t keep the dimensions of all the images the same.
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>>43110557
>What are mediumfics for?
Sunk cost fallacies. "It's only another 20k. I might as well see how it ends."
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>>43112208
What books?
>inb4 it's not horsewords
Sure, but still?
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>>43112691
I’m not telling you people since you people are not trustworthy
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>>43112998
I see. Scanning old BL manga.
You do you, Anon.
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>>43113191
I get the feeling you’re projecting your own interests onto me desu. You wouldn’t have said something that specific otherwise.
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>>43112998
Oh come on. If I wanted to appear trustworthy, you would have given me all ur mortal possessions. You must be insane to not trust somebody as sinister as me.
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>>43112960
I can't believe Granny Smith is dead.
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Any good fics with this sort of vibe?
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>>43113659
Technology isn't Magic fics are just HFY fics with a pony coat of paint, to a far more egregious degree than AiE fics.
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>>43113702
Is that the one with the autistic lesbian robot
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>>43113659
I don't what vibe this is. The other anon says Technology isn't Magic but that's not even technology. Do you want fics about red tape and government overreach? Fics about anarchists? Fics about chemistry? Fics about amateur chemist anarchists battling with government red tape restricting their IED hobby?

Closest thing that comes to mind might be TWOLOT, where Twilight and the gang build some wild shit while carefully bypassing and working around the tyrannical regime's strict supply chain controls. Including taking out hardened government buildings. The fic's not amazing (the ending in particular is deeply mediocre) but the steampunk works well and it's fun to read if you don't think about it too hard.
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oh yay my favorite fic updated
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Bookclub PSA!
Also tagging the previous anchor. >>43106755
This week on Sunday I'll be busy with something that I cannot postpone or reschedule. If anyone wants to take over the anchor duties for the coming Sunday, please feel free to do so! I'll be back on March 29th as normal—with the second or first week of the Archetypist, depending on if someone makes an anchor this week or not.
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>>43114216
>Twiflag book club era begins
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>>43114216
I can recycle the anchor from the other club.
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>>43114216
I'll do it.
I can recycle the post from the secreter club from...
>>39922498
Oh, my God. That was almost three years ago.
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>>43114102
Which one?
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>>43114625
Clearly the breastfeeding Celesia one.
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>>43114670
Why did you make me skim this
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>>43114696
Wtf, it's kino?
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"Celestia Becomes A Total Milf And It's Everyone Else's Problem"but it's not HiE slop.
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>>43114707
Obsessed
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>>43114708
Look it's alright if you want to be suckled by Celestia, that's good and natural. It's wanting to be stuck in the body of a baby when you're a 20 year old Asian man who is into cryptocurrency that I take great offense to.
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>>43114708
It's not merely important to Alex, who is into cryptocurrency and wants to suckle Celestia, to suckle Celestia. It's a fundamental part of his identity. Alex, who is into cryptocurrency and wants to suckle Celestia, just wouldn't be who he is if he weren't obsessed with suckling Celestia.
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>Pre-Unification fic where each of the tribes speaks a different classical language
>Pegasi speak Latin
>Unicorns speak Greek
>Earth ponies speak Old English
Haven't thought of a plot yet.
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>>43114922
>you have to know three different ancient languages to understand the fic
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>>43114937
But not English, because nobody on Fimfiction knows how to read.
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>>43114937
We both know soullets will google translate.
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>>43114963
Bold of you to assume they won't ask ChatGPT to translate it all to simplified English.
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>>43115003
"Oya chat, sharp sharp translate am to pidgin now now!"
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>>43114696
>udders
>not teats
Also, does the narrator not exist in this story? Why's it all dialogue?

>>43114922
>Pegasi speak Latin
The pegasi should 100% be Greek. Their name's Greek. Their cities are Greek. Their armor's Greek.
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>>43114338
Well I usually have the least to say before replying to other posts and also I'm always late. If I had an era, it would definitely have a different feel to it
>>43114391
>Oh, my God. That was almost three years ago.
wew
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>>43115008
What's more Greek than being confused for the Romans?
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>>43113733
He just posted a pointless meme shitpost, why are you replying unironically
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>>43115247
>why are people giving undue weight to worthless shitposts?
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>>43115247
Generally "X for this feel" shitposts provide some sort of feel as the punchline to the shitpost, rather than just some set of rambling with no clear conclusion.
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>>43115008
>The pegasi should 100% be Greek.
The pegasi are more militaristic, and thus Roman. The unicorns are gay, and thus Greek.
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>>43115498
Checks out.
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I thought you were gone for good...
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I can't believe this ended.
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/98568/mlp-time-loops
Really takes me back to '13.
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>>43114922
>>43115498
Pre-unification ponies were depicted in the show, and usually in fanfiction, as the following:
>earth ponies: vaguely stereotypical medieval Germanic or more broadly north west european commoner culture
>pegasi: vaguely stereotypical Greco-Roman aristocratic militaristic culture
>Unicorns: vaguely stereotypical high medieval north west european noble culture mixed with stereotypical conceptions of medieval magic
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>>43116025
Were the ponytones ever used in a fanfic?
I now kind of want to.
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>>43116025
I'd fuck that chubby acapella mare iykwis
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>>43116040
I'm sure they were, what's never been used in a fic I think period are the cyberponies from the future.
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>>43116040
I've seen one Ponytones story that was RariMac smut, but I've never read it.
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>>43116077
Based Pony Life acknowledger.
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>>43114922
>>43115799
Real niggas know that pegasi (Mediterraneans) speak classical Greek, unicorns (Celts) speak Scots Gaelic or precursors thereof, and earth ponies (Germanics) speak Old English. When the tribes migrated into Equestria, these mixed and influenced each other in various proportions to eventually form modern Ponish (English).
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>>43116132
Where does Old Ponish fit into this?
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>>43116202
Old English equivalent.
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>>43116232
Lame
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>>43116202
>>43116232
Old Ponish might be Middle English, based on this.
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>>43116077
>>43116095
>pony life
That's not interesting because there's such a tiny amount of pony life fics. I bet there's tons of throwaway gag details that were never used in a fic simply because there's barely any fics about it.
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>>43105977
>
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>>43116445
>reverse image search
>jeetgle ai overview
>”This image shows the Eternal Flame Falls located in Shale Creek Preserve within Chestnut Ridge Park in Western New York. The phenomenon consists of a small grotto behind a waterfall that emits natural gas, which can be lit to produce a continuous flame”
Are you lost anon?
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>>43116828
She's not that fluffy, I was lied to.
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>>43116902
She is very fluffy, 'tisn't a lie.
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>>43116985
Again, not very fluffy. My cat is fluffier.
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>>43117060
post cat
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>>43117065
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>>43117078
That's not fluffy.
THIS is fluffy.
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>>43117080
Yet both are fluffier than Luna.
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>>43117082
Personally, I've never known the moon to be particularly fluffy.
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>>43117078
woman or dyel?
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>>43117098
It's a cat.
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>do a "site:fimfiction.net" search on Google using an exact copypaste from a fic
>0 results
>do the same search on Yandex
>6 results, but not the fic it was copypasted from
>do it on Yahoo
>3 results, but none of them are from the Yandex search and the original copypaste fic still isn't included
I'm going to have to download the Fimfarchive and manually index it if I want accurate results, aren't I?
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>>43117203
just ask here, retard
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>>43117421
Would you rather write mpreg or unbirth (with reformation)?
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>>43117443
>would you...write
>>43115257
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>>43117443
>Would you ... write
That's not what we do here.
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>>43117519
*shudders delicately*
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>>43117566
*boners sadly*
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>>43117089
She can be fluffy! Very, even.
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>>43116077
Gonna be the first to change that.
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>>43118101
Twilight's dialogue sucks, I'm guessing it's based off of Alicorn Twi?
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>>43118111
You believe you can identify which iteration of twilight a fic author is using as reference, consciously or subconsciously, when writing twilight in a fic?
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>>43118328
Can't you?
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>>43118111
>>43118328
They act differently enough that it's not a difficult task. But in this specific case, I imagine the
>You're raised the sun what, three times now?
line could very slightly, totally subtly, almost *imperceptibly* hint at when this happens.
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>>43118376
I mean I can tell the behavior is different in the show…
I admit my question seems kind of dumb upon reflection so let me change it.

Would you be able to tell the difference between the two in the absence of any reference to external variables that would give it away? Any references to her alicornhood/princess hood, or events which happened after MMC. If her status and relation to the canon timeline is left completely ambiguous. Just going of speech patterns?
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>>43118376
If that was the case wouldn't Twilight being an alicorn be more important than her raising the sun?
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>>43118549
Post-alicorn Twilight is way meaner and more neurotic.
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>>43118558
Only on opposite day.
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>>43118558
This is like thinking that season 1 rainbow dash was nicer
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>>43118549
No but I could tell Fae's slop when I see it.
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Huh, that's a first.
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>>43117848
Sauce? ponyphobic gets no results
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>>43118914
https://nitter.net/p0nyphobic/status/2034751778768540128
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>>43118858
I think I prefer fetish fics having the fetishes listed like this
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>>43119205
I prefer them to be better written.
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>>43119208
I prefer to pretend they don’t exist.
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>>43119222
A world without fetishes just sounds boring. Like Utah.
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>>43119233
You sure Utah is boring?
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>>43119324
>Mississippi is masochism
That tracks.
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>>43119324
This looks like the US after an all-out civil war dissolves the union
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>>43119324
Man Hawaii really loves TF2.
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>>43119324
How would the Equestrian one look?
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>>43119324
>hawaii is the designated gay state
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>>43119494
We don't talk about what Canterlot googles.
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>>43119494
notice how most of the fetishes in that pic are very down to earth and realistically possible? in equestria, down to earth and realistically possible covers a lot more stuff.
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>>43119324
I have a theory that a much larger percentage of gen z in America has jorked their schlork to furry porn at least once than most would think. At least 10%. Though I have no real data to back this up other than google trends.
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>>43119527
That's part of my greater theory that more people are into ponies than they're willing to admit.
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>write your deadfic
>struggle for two hours to get 700 words in
>write your clopfic sequel
>effortlessly kick out 2,800 words in two hours and have to force yourself to stop so you can fap to the scene
I hate this feeling.

>>43117443
>(with reformation)
Reminds me of that one vorefic someone posted a while back where the author wrote multiple blog posts in the comment section explaining how the characters would be eaten and digested, then some kind of anti-snuff magic would kick in and they'd be resurrected and "reformed" in bed, asleep and thinking in the morning the whole thing was just a dream.
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>>43119628
Unbirth is the only vore scenario where reformation makes even a lick of sense.
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>>43119324
How are feet even a fetish? Like bro, everybody has them. There's nothing sacred, tabooed, exotic or transgressive about legs. Imagine coming to a sex shop and asking the shopkeep to give you something relevant to you passions, and when you describe them the shopkeep motions you to look at your own legs and you're like awohhawdsherhaserhehr~
And what do they mean by "soldier"? A muscle girl in a uniform, or more like a platoon pillaging a village? I didn't know it's a popular genre. It should be.
>>43119494
Ponyville still doesn't have electricity.
Cloudsdale: tight uniforms.
Canterlot: eyes wide shut.
Crystal Empire: slavery. But they're willing to try everything popular because they feel inadequate after the time skip.
The mysterious illegal connection in the Badlands: Cadance.



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