Two words: Tomboy erasure.
Isn't a tomboy a girl who has a lot of guy interests?
>>43142936Yes.
>>43142938So... then there's no tomboy erasure.
>>43142957my bad *clears throat*STRAIGHT TOM BOY ERASURE
>>43142957Yes, there is.
>>43142980That is a fair statement, thank you for correcting.
>>43142925tomboy stereotyping. im sure gender nonconforming little girls feel secure in their sexuality after their favourite show calls them a dyke. very progressive. thank you haber.
two words: not canon
>>43143063That's why the show should've had Rainbow Dash be straight and only Applejack be gay.
>>43142980Rainbow Dash was never straight. It was always going to be either AJ or Fluttershy. Moids stay malding, stay balding.
>>43143091>Rainbow Dash has rainbow-striped hair because of her name and because she is very interested in sports, specifically flying. She is a tomboy, but nowhere in the show is her sexual orientation ever referenced. As we all know, there are plenty of straight tomboys in the world, and assuming they are lesbians is extremely unfair to both straight and lesbian tomboys.t. Lauren Faust
>>43143074if haber had a spine he would've made rarity bisexual and marry coco or something. cliches suck and deserve to be broken.
>>43143118Speaking of Rarity, if any pairing of the mane six has sexual chemistry, it's AJ and Rarity. I'm not one for shipping, but at least that one makes more sense, since those two bicker like a married couple for nine seasons.
>>43143074>>43143118Rainbow Dash isn't gay but is oblivious to Fluttershy's interest in her since Dashie has always been an important part of her life. Fluttershy needs more time to realize the difference between romantic (a future husband), platonic (Discord), and idealized (Dashie) love due to her naturally asocial behavior, but after expanding her friend group beyond the Mane 6 and Discord, she starts to realize the differences and grow as a pony. Rarity doesn't become a spinster and has at least one heir, and it's her first son who is clearly fruity (her second son becomes a womanizer, much to Rarity's chagrin, but she can't deny that's he's "generous" when it comes to love). Applejack finds herself a stud that helps her breed big, strong earth ponies that help expand the Apple Farm since Big Man retires into the city and Apple Bloom goes to university to become a chemist (and she invents fertilizer). In other words, Applejack becomes the Farm's next Granny Smith once she passes away. Rainbow Dash ends up with Soarin after the latter bombs with Spitfire, who nearly breaks up the Wonderbolts when she drunkenly tries to put the schmooves on Dashie and gets a hard "NO" in response, but Dashie's loyalty to her friend and to the team helps them smooth things over and continue flying as excellent teammates.This all seems pretty obvious to me.
>>43143141>they fight a lot so that means they're in love!no wonder divorce is so high
>>43143174Passion requires heat.
>>43143181the heat in my groin maybe, the one in my steaming head? not so much
>>43143141it makes sense, but their bickering is just a side effect of their ying-yang nature, adding love to their relationship would balance their platonic push-and-pull and make them a better fit in the long run. this is probably the only time applegay makes sense, it just fits too well.
>>43143186For women, those are often one and the same.
>>43143202Yup. With AJ and Dash, the energy is more akin to competetive siblings. AJ and Rarity have a push-and-pull dynamic to them, like you said. Appledash competes, Rarijack complements.
>>43143202>>43143291For that matter, the remaining four have their own push/pull pairings.>Dash and FluttershyBravado meets meekness.>Pinkie and TwilightSpontaneity meets perfectionism.There's a reason why these pairings are so common and make for engaging episodes.
>>43143141Yet another reason why EQG is better than Haberverse
two words: actually canon
>>43143105Based Faust.
Girls, girls, that's enough, I'm sure ALL your gay ships are canon in your minds and that's what matters, now stop breaking each others fake nails.
>>43143813Faust's vision overrides Haber's vision, so no.
>>43144471Well she shouldn’t have left the show then
>>43144658It's hard to blame her, considering how much studio meddling she had to deal with from day 1. Suited For Success is basically a meta-episode about the creation of the show itself. When EQG was announced, it must have eaten her up inside, pic related.Regardless, since she was still around for S2 in some capacity, and S3, S4, and S5 are largely respectful of and consistent with S2, except for S3's jarring finale, S1-S5 can pretty much be considered canon. S6 and beyond is where it really starts to deviate from her vision, so whether or not something is canon is determined on an episode-to-episode basis.Faust was very adamant that MLP should not have romance, so Appledash is not canon, nor are Flash Sentry and Cheese as Pinkie's husband. Simple Ways from S4, by contrast, is perfectly in line with Faust's vision, so that one is firmly canon.
>>43144713>Faust was very adamant that MLP should not have romanceWhat about that one scrapped episode where they would have all tried to ask out Big Mac?
>>43144713>Faust was very adamant that MLP should not have romanceGood to know you're just making shit up.
>>43144753It doesn't exactly sound like they're in love with Big Mac based on this, just that they're eager to want to get to the gala. The idea of this episode may have been the starting point of The Ticket Master, as well as Rarity's sub-plot with Prince Blueblood. On that note, Prince Blueblood and Rarity shattering her glass slipper in a state of sheer panic further assert Faust's view on romance in MLP.There was of course the Big Mac/Cheerilee episode from S2, but Faust's anti-romance stance was seemingly reserved for the main characters. Cadence and Shining Armor are probably alright by this metric.
>>43144779Go to 1:03 of this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U6exmlNdSAI can't really be bothered, but this guy seems to have done his homework on the topic. He's very thorough in all of his videos, so he is likely correct. Google also seems to agree with this take.
>>43143141It may be entertaining, but it's not good for a long term relationship realistically.If there's any pairing that I think is the most solid, it would be TwiJack.
>>43143105The most RD's Ho Yay moments are from when Lauren Unsubtle Faust was still part of the show.
>>43144846AJ is solid with any other mane six. She is so grounded, she sometimes struggles with carrying an episode by herself, but she always brings out the best in the other five, like an angel on their shoulder.
>>43144863Go on.
>>43144779He's letting an LLM do the thinking for him, by his own admission, so that should say enough.
>>43144863>The mostMost of*>>43144872You want a list?https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic
>>43144885>tvtropesshadman.jpg
>>43144846Glad someone else recognizes this. Twi and AJ are the pair who most often simply acts like good, supportive friends to each other. In the realm of maintaining a relationship like that, this is one of the only m6 pairings that I could actually see working out long term. They just seem to have a deeper level of connection, especially in season 1 where AJ was almost like Twilight's guide when she was still new to Ponyville.
>>43144885>https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagiclol, that is some next-level porn brain shit right there. What's next, the cute cashier asking if you want paper or plastic is really asking for your dick?
>>43144875No, my thinking is based on Lauren's own words, and how S1 firmly corroborates this stance. Rarity shattering her glass slipper could not be more on the nose symbolism. Also, as soon as Faust was out the door, enter Flash Sentry. Seems clear as day to me.
>>43144952Some of them might be extreme, sure, but you can't tell some of these wouldn't seem, as kids would call it, sus, especially to Lauren Faust, who was once an MLP fangirl.
>>43144993The list was so exhausting, it literally says that Dash having pinkish red eyes means she's gay for Pinkie. Clearly not a serious list.Can you name a specific thing from Dash in S1 that you found sus?
>>43145037>>43145037>in S1Faust was still helping with S2's writing even if her role was greatly diminished, but sure: S1E23, Cutie Mark Chronicles, Rainbow Dash showing up, rescue romance-style, to, according to RD herself, “defend Fluttershy’s honor” (a classic knight-and-princess romance line).
>>43142925I support RD being a lesbian but Haber the HACK paired her off with the wrong mare!
>>43143091How much does your dysphoria flare up when you look in the mirror?
>>43144713>>43144805>Faust was very adamant that MLP should not have romance>He's very thorough in all of his videoslmao
>>43145185ffs, defending your friend from bullies is not gay-coded. That is legit porn brain thinking.
>>43145468Except it isn't just RD defending FS from bullies, it's the whole thing from the way it is presented to the choices in phrasing....But I'm getting the feeling you understand that, you're just desperate to reach the conclusion that this is all just le porn brain.
>>43142925Tomboy erasure is only one of many facets of total global enshittification mandated by plutocrats. It's not enough that they should succeed, they also need others to suffer.
>>43145481>it's the whole thing from the way it is presentedHow so?>to the choices in phrasing.What phrasing?
>>43145350I tried searching for more information on this, and could only find a tweet from year ago with this exact paragraph from an anonymous user, and nothing else. It doesn't seem to show up in Faust's MLP Bible. Where did you get this? Do you have more?
I just now stumbled onto a screencap of this obscure post by Faust from her Deviantart page:https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/384/315/ce3.png>Rainbow Dash will have a boyfriend in season 3.Not sure what to make of this. Could be a joke, but if nothing else, it does indicate that Faust sees Dash as straight.I'm giving this topic way more thought than it warrants, tbqh. WTF am I doing with my life?
>>43145527>PresentedWe first see it from young FS's POV with young RD flying in the sky in the distance, looking like a rainbow, before reaching for the rescue. So, yeah, you have the rescuee's POV, the majestic look of the rescuer and so on...>PhrasingAgain: "defend Fluttershy's honor"
>>43145568Faust definitely meant it as a joke but also I'm pretty sure she saw Dash as straight.
>>43145494This is a pressing matter. I'm cool with lesbians, but as a tomboy enjoyer, their erasure in popular media has left a hole in my soul. When I was a kid, tomboys were everywhere. Now, they have to be either lesbos or trannies. True tomboys have become an endangered species.
>>43145569Yes, Rainbow Dash makes a cool entrance, and she wants to defend Fluttershy's honor. Where does the romantic attraction enter in?
>>43145582...Anon, do you normally describe protecting your friends from bullies as "defending their honor" ?
>>43145594Me defending my friends from bullies is not a normal occurrance.
>>43145541Like the Big Mac one earlier, this is a scrapped premise from the leaks. If the Gator guy isn't even looking at the leaks he's definitely not doing anything thoroughly.
>>43142925idk, sure looks like AJ got her tomboy
>>43144471lmao no it dont, she left like a bitch
>>43145676What leaks?
>>43145680You do not deserve this show.
>>431456952019do better research and maybe your videos wouldn't completely misrepresent entire parts of the fandom
>>43145185>>43145481>>43145569>>43145582>>43145594It’s obviously not actually meant to be romantic but I love the dynamic of Dashie being Flutters’ knight in shining armor defending her from bullies. And the fact that her swooping in to defend her honor ended up creating the Mane 6 and making them soulmates. It’s why Fluttterdash is my OTP
>>43145697nobody does tbf
>>43145787Not my video. I thought those leaks were about G5. Did they contain previously unseen, early G4 drafts from Faust?Did Faust actually envision the mane six with boyfriends?Was Flash Sentry actually faithful to Faust's vision all along?Has my whole life been a lie?
>>43146502>Not my videoyou sure act like it could be>G5those were the 2017 email leaks>Did they contain previously unseen, early G4 drafts from Faust?Make an educated guessI don't think these premises let us say that Faust wanted permanent bfs for the mane 6, but they most certainly show that she had no issue with giving them dates and doing love-related plots with them.
>>43146719Gee, who pissed in your cereal this morning? So needlessly spiteful. It would be one thing if we were discussing politics or something, but we're talking about lesbian horses here.You're probably right, but jeez, lighten up a bit.
>>43146901Considering how much of a big and well-known event the leaks are, I don't want to spoonfeed. But maybe I've been here for too long and people don't know about them anymore. If you were the video creator you'd also somewhat deserve the snide treatment as an exercise in mutual exchange. Your original posts did come off a bit like acting the fool, so I responded in kind.Admittedly I am annoyed by people who act like they know a lot about the show's history and development and Lauren's ideas, yet clearly haven't looked into it properly, and not knowing of the leaks that are a mother lode for this (17 and 19, but mostly 19) is a huge tell.Go check out the leak list on the allspark forum, I just found that, it's a pretty good overview (it's missing a bunch of foreign early releases, but those hardly matter).I'm a bit sorry, I intended to be more sarcastic than spiteful.>we're talking about lesbian horses herenot beating the allegations there buddy though I'm inclined to agree
>>43147011Don't apologize to that offboarder newfag
>>43147031Not a newfag, familia.>>43147011I got on the ride in 2011, started frequenting this board in 2014, but I was MIA in 2019. I'm kind of an intermittent mare enjoyer, experiencing a bit of a resurgence at the moment.>Admittedly I am annoyed by people who act like they know a lot about the show's history and development and Lauren's ideas, yet clearly haven't looked into it properlyYeah, I understand. Since I was a horsefucker so early, I guess I can be a bit overconfident in opinions on what MLP should or should not be. I remember vividly how much resistance there was against Flash Sentry when EQG was brand new; back then there was definitely a lot of resistance against the idea that the mane six should have love interests, and I haven't really changed my stance on this after all this time. There was a widespread assumption that this was a betrayal of Faust's vision.If Faust was alright with the mane six having romantic sub-plots, I suppose I'm just gonna have to disagree with her on this one.
>>43142925>"Oh please, everybody knows tomboys are just repressed lesbians!"
>>43147090>returnfagmaybe I was right in spiting you ^:)I don't think I've ever seen Flashlight being called a betrayal of Faust's vision for the love interest part. Either way yeah, whether Faust would've been OK with it is different from whether it would've been a good idea, as was the case with several things ultimately, no matter what Faustfags like to tell us.
>>43147280>I don't think I've ever seen Flashlight being called a betrayal of Faust's vision for the love interest part.Here's a little time capsule that gives a glimpse into the mindset of many fans at the time:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCgEyS28goAIt's hard to say how representative this is of the fanbase as a whole, but Flash Sentry's sheer existence made many anons here REEEEEE for quite some time. Serves him right, that damn waifu stealer.>Either way yeah, whether Faust would've been OK with it is different from whether it would've been a good idea, as was the case with several things ultimately, no matter what Faustfags like to tell us.Yeah, as you can probably tell, I am definitely something of a Faustfag that glorifies S1 and S2. However, appealing to Faust is textbook appeal to authority fallacy, so reverence for her needs to be tempered like all things in life. If one takes a zealous stance on Faust's original vision, then Pinkie Pie the earth pony is not canon, and the real element of laughter is the very Aryan pegasus Surprise.
>>43147237eyes of god
>>43147237>>43148676Every time someone posts his face, I always think it's Rob Schneider for a split second.
>>43148676Eyes of an angel Think about it
>>43148809>Rob Schneider is… A PONY!>Rated PG-13
I hate lesbians.
>>43143105Then Josh ruined it
>>43143118This. But seriously fuck shipping altogether is the better option.
>>43144952This. They turn every tender gesture in the show into shipfuel. The closeness of the friends without romantic pretense is one of the most endearing things about this show. I hate shipfags like you wouldn't believe.
>>43149451Yea. Same people who call Sam and Frodo gay for caring about each other. It's stupid.
>>43142957The erasure is that if a girl is a "tomboy" it must automatically mean she is a lesbian. It's similar to saying that a boy who like My Little Pony must be gay or a troon. It's possible for a person to be interested in things that would normally appeal to the opposite gender without it being some kind of signal about their sexual orientation.
>>43149834Pornbrained
>>43149834Their mindset has the danger of making agape impossible. Because you have to hold back affection displays for fear of the misrepresentation. And we've lost a lot of friendly gestures in our societies as a result. It was once customary to kiss on the cheek. Other men. Children. Etc. Now someone is going to label it as an advance because we don't know the line between affection and romance. To hell with shipfags for creating this dynamic.
Two words: tomboy elation
>>43149854My suspicion is that shipfags can't perceive of anyone being close without sex being an element. Because deep l in their mind, without the drive to connect on a sexual level, they would not associate with a person at all. Kinda reveals a massive character flaw IYAM.
>>43149419Yeah, shipping is so lame. There are already a million shows and movies that put romance front and center, so to have a show like FIM where friendship is the only focus is so refreshing. Shipping FIM characters is like going to an authentic Greek restaurant and ordering the hot dog plate from the kid's menu.
>>43149871I've heard the argument go>romance is just the deepest expression of friendshipTo people who think that way, i don't ever want to see you consoling a crying child.
>>43149857Punk Rarity good.Sk8ter girl Rarity better.
>>43149854>Their mindset has the danger of making agape impossible.This is exactly why I dislike the notion of Appledash. Nothing against lesbians, have had several as friends throughout my life, but the show is about friendship, not lust. If Applejack and Rainbow Dash simply wanted to munch on each other's carpets the whole time, it really cheapens their friendship for me.I would have less of a problem with this if AJ or Dash had both married a mare who was not part of the mane six. It's not really the lesbianism which is the issue, it's the cheapening of friendship for its own sake.Also, AJ and Dash simply do not have sexual chemistry in the show. They have much more of a "we ride together, we die together" energy to their friendship. I guess Haber just figured that since they're both tomboys, and Ashleigh Ball is a lesbian, might as well make them married at the end. Really hackneyed writing.
>>43149911>would have less of a problem with this if AJ or Dash had both married a mare who was not part of the mane six.This. Omg so much this. But only one and not the other. Both being lesbians is just too irrepresentative of lgbtq in actual culture. Lesbianism is rare. Having 2 in a group of 6 would be exceedingly rare. Overrepresntation of lgbtq just looks like pandering to me.
>>43143105Appledash is a creature equestria invention and not at all apart of Faust's original vision confirmed. Kill all Appledash'ers NOW
>>43149911>Also, AJ and Dash simply do not have sexual chemistry in the show. They have much more of a "we ride together, we die together" energy to their friendship.Funny thing is they barely even have that. AJ is one of the ponies Dash is most likely to kinda turn her back on, especially in the supplementary material like the comics and books. There is legitimately no reason for these two characters to get together over other pairings. They're barely able to tolerate each other as friends without constantly coming to blows. They'd be a textbook lesbian domestic violence statistic.
>>43149451>>43149834
>>43149965To be fair Rainbow Dash will turn her back on anypony because the writers liked storylines where she acted like a selfish cunt, I don't think you could make a serious argument that she'd fit well romantically with anypony.
>>43149911No. Neither of those ponies. I'm not against Flutters being lesbian, but for each of the others it just isn't a fit. Twi and Rarity both showed clear interest in hetero romanceAJs family values is incongruent with a lifestyle that doesn't lead to having a family RD, for the reasons Faust mentioned, should not be stereotypicay cast as gay. It just isn't fair. That leaves Flutters.But honestly, not even her is necessary. We got LyraBon. The absolute overrepresentation of lgbtq in the finale was Haber pandering. It just doesn't work.
>>43149977Flutterdash can be cute. I'm still opposed to it. For all the reasons these anons point out. Friendship being a pretense to romance cheapens friendship.
>>43149965>AJ is one of the ponies Dash is most likely to kinda turn her back onI would not agree with that, though I've only watched the show, never read the comics.
>>43149981>Flutterdash can be cute.Sure, if you only take the good moments and ignore the bad moments. That's what you have to do to argue that RD has a good relationship with somepony.
>>43149978What about Pinkie? You didn't mention her at all.
>>43149960bait or retarded?
>>43149977Dash can definitely be a massive cunt on occassion, but I don't recall her ever betraying her element. The closest she got was Rainbow Falls, but that episode was so weirdly written, I'm not sure if it even counts.
>>43149995Dragonshy has her spending the whole episode saying they'd explicitly be better off without Fluttershy.
>>43150001>>43149995FWF and NCC both have her completely disregard the safety and trust of her friends for the sake of her ego.Also she totally ditches Spike and AJ during SAYS when timberwolves show up.
>>43142925You vill conform to your assigned gender roles und you vill luff it!
>>43149990Yeah that's fine too if that's what they wanted but it would be super left field after the Cheese tease.
>>43150017>it would be super left field after the Cheese tease.Cheese itself was completely out of left field. He was only in two episodes, and while I haven't seen the second one, there wasn't any relationship teasing in the first one.
>>43150013>Also she totally ditches Spike and AJ during SAYS when timberwolves show up.I always thought it would've been fun if they leaned into the idea that Rainbow Dash is the biggest boaster and loves to get in ponies' faces but she's actually really uncomfortable with fighting. I feel like that would've been a fun character trait to give her and would've fit in well with everything else she has going on.
The biggest issue is the time skip. If they showed a believable path to romance it would have been more acceptable. By having a >oh btw they are gay and fuckingIs just lame.This is why LyraBon works and AppleDash doesn't. LyraBon had bread crumbs.
>>43149974Boom. Headshot. But it also reveals they can't BE a friend
>>43150059So THIS is why shipfags give me the ick!
>>43142980>thnking AJ and Rainbow were ever straightThat was your first mistake. Hell, Rarity the most feminine member of the group is bisexual, and even Twilight is bisexual.The only straight members of the mane 6 are Pinkie and Fluttershy.
>>43150073Fluttershy eats pussy on the regular, get real.
>>43150073>Rarity the most feminine member of the group is bisexual, and even Twilight is bisexual.Based on what?
>>43150073Huh that's actually funny because its perfectly balanced.>Rainbow Gay>AJGay>RarityBi>TwilightBi>PinkieStraight>FluttershyStraight
>>43150073>>43150079>T.
>>43150076I didn't know Discord had a pussy. >>43150078>Based on what?Based on the fact that Rarity is attracted to both Stallions and ApplejackAs for TwilightIf Sci-Twi is into Sunset Shimmer then pony Twi is bi as well.
>>43150079Funny that unicorns would be bisexual.
>>43150087She just really likes.. Whatever the fuck is in that bowl. >Also>Projecting her gay feelings towards Rarity on a femboy that looks like Rarity Nice try AJ but you're not beating the allegations.
>>43150088>I didn't know Discord had a pussy.If you don't think shapeshifting is a big part of the appeal then you're a silly filly.
>>43150094>CopingBeing into femboys as a man makes you gay, Anon. Traps aren't straight.
>>43150078Based on being pornbrainedShipfags get the rope. No exceptions.
>>43150093What do you think the horn is REALLY for?
>>43150028>>43150073>>43150079>>43150088>>43150094Applejack had more romantic teasing with Spike than she ever did Rainbow Dash.
>>43150142>post-timeskip>spike and applejack have weird half-dragon kids togetherHow angry would the fandom be?
>>43150149>Pisses off Rarijack, Appledash, and Sparity shippersVery.
>>43150154Don't forget that the Twitter teens would call her Diddyblud Mare.
>>43150161Hey, in this scenario she actually waited for him to be legal. Rarity was the one grooming him.
>>43150149As a Rarity fan I would love it because it would cause Sparity shippers to fuck off. Also they would probably end up shipping Rarity with Rainbow Dash at the end as an alternative.
>>43150169That's not how Twitter works, the age gap alone would be a problem but knowing him since he was a kid? She'd immediately be the least popular pony among that crowd, they'd draw her getting executed by the others.
>>43150176>alternativeBut anon Rarity in G4 already ended up with someone at the end of the show. It was Twilight.
>>43150059>>43150065>shippers are unable to understand/experience the magic of true friendship That's rough. It's actually kind of sad.
>Durr everything is about who's genitals touch who'sGod I detest shipfags. Burn all shipfags at the stake.
>>43150217Can my genitals touch yours, anon?
>>43149981I normally agree with this take 100% but Flutterdash is actually my one exception because I just like it that much
>>43150073Confirmed by Faust that she wanted Rainbow Dash to avoid stereotypes of rainbows and tomboys meaning gay. Late writers obv dgaf but all they could manage is make them stand next to each other and then walk back on forcing their headcanon.>>43150088Pony aren't the exact same as their EQG counterpart. Spike was a dog, that doesn't mean his main version is a zoo
>>43150088>If Sci-Twi is into Sunset ShimmerShe literally has a boyfriend, EqG never had anything explicitly lesbian in it except for Lyra & Bonbon but that was already in FiMSunset had Flash and in the novels fell for some unnamed guy in the timeloopSciTwi has TimberApplejack had that country singer from the shortsRarity had Ragamuffin
>>43149911I had the same reaction to Scootaloo's aunts when all that was being discussed. I didn't really care that much if they wanted to add canonically gay characters, but the whole thing just felt like it was done to pander, and the whole thing just distracted from the real issue of how shitty all of Scootaloo's relatives are.
>>43150644>but the whole thing just felt like it was done to panderIt was, but not in the way you think! It was meant to pander to extended universe readers.
>>43150644The funny thing is it fails at pandering because it brings their guardianship into question. >i wish i had parents that cheer me onSaid Scoots to Dashie, paraphrasedFeeds right into old stereotypes that 2 moms can't raise a kid. If they were looking to score points with lgbt they failed.
