/aia/ - AI Art Thread #77>Mentally ill artist discovers a way to express themselves through AI art▶WARNING>By posting in these threads, you recognize that AI generation is a valid artistic process.Please respect AI artists like any other artist.Backends:>https://github.com/LykosAI/StabilityMatrixThis is more of a one-click manager that you can install / run the other backends though. Easiest by far. Recommended to download Forge through it and use its built-in Civitai browser to download models with.For models not through the in-built downloader just download and drop them in Stability_Matrix\Data\Models\* (lora folder if a lora, TextualInversion if embedding, stablediffusion if checkpoint...)>reForgehttps://github.com/Panchovix/stable-diffusion-webui-reForgeI would recommend installing this through Stability Matrix.>ComfyUIhttps://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI?tab=readme-ov-file#installingHas a learning curve but is extremely customizable and usually has the latest methods / papers implemented first.>"But I don't have a decent GPU"NovelAI also does great pony: https://novelai.netYou could also use a service like civitai.Models:>Pony Diffusion V6 XLhttps://civitai.com/models/257749/pony-diffusion-v6-xl?modelVersionId=290740>NoobAI-XL Great new alternative. Is closer to novelai than anything else. Really diverse yet coherent positioning / styles, knows artist tags.https://civitai.com/models/833294/noobai-xl-nai-xl>ZoinksNoob, a popular new model built off ChromaXL Mix, which itself was built off of NoobAI. Very, very close to NovelAI and arguably better at many things, it does ponies very well and has much less of a "burnt-in" default style than something like Pony Diffusion V6 does.https://huggingface.co/zatochu/ZoinksNoob>Purplesmart.ai best for starters and with a great communityhttps://purplesmart.ai>Useful artist style LoRA:https://civitai.com/models/317578/pdv6xl-artist-tags?modelVersionId=356175>LoRAs by /mlp/:https://rentry.org/ponyxl_loras>LoRAs by /h and other useful info:https://rentry.org/ponyxl_loras_n_stuff>How to make your own LoRA:https://rentry.org/59xed3https://civitai.com/articles/91/how-to-correctly-obtain-images-for-a-datasethttps://civitai.com/articles/3522/vaIstrixs-crash-course-guide-to-lora-and-lycoris-traininghttps://civitai.com/articles/4100/how-to-create-a-style-lycoris-for-ponyxl-on-low-vram-locally>Prompt tips for new users:Grab an image you like the style of from the desired model's civitai's site and drop it onto the PNG info tab in SD, you can then click send to text to image to reuse its generation info for your own images. Change the seed so you do not get just the same image. Use tags from e621 and natural language.For the love of CelestAI, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS>Previous Thread>>43113320
>>43171882I will never understand the insistence on spending thousands of hours fixing a computer's mistakes instead of just drawing it yourself.
>>43171891WDYM?The OP pic took about 15 minutes of iteration and the only fix was to remove a phantom signature from the bottom right with a single inpaint pass.
>>43171900>took about 15 minutesAnd how many images have you genned in your entire time using AI?
>>43171900>wdym? It took 15minutes to come up with a slop angle with broken anatomy>proompts the same slop angleyou don't have the creative gene
>>43171911>1girl complainer
>>43171909Fuck if I know. Probably around 100 000 or something.
>>43171920>Can't even proompt 1girl interestingyou dont have the creative gene
>>43171927>15 x 100,000 = 1,500,000 minutes>1,500,000 minutes = 25,000 hours>25,000 hours = 1041.67 days>1041.67 days = 2.85 yearsYou've spent nearly three years genning when you could have spent three years actually arting.
I'm at like 10 000 should pump up those numbers and give the slop complainers something to really complain about. But alas I can't be assed. Saving up for a 5090 desktop, will have one by this time next year. >>43171937>says the guy that doesn't utilize the newest tool in the artist's toolbox. >Because? >Just because? >OKAY?! Lmao, get replaced.
>>43171943>>says the guy that doesn't utilize the newest tool in the artist's toolbox>says the guy that doesn't utilize any of the tools in the artist's toolbox
>>43171943>Y-you didn't use it rightYou can't even recognize overfitted angles, face it you don't have the creative gene
>>43171938It's about 20 seconds per raw image. Vast majority of the raw images are looked at once and then deleted whenever I purge my folder.I only have about 100 or so images that I'd consider finished, and half of those are now so old I won't post them without touching them up with the new tools that have been invented since.>>43171947You're trying to compete with a machine. The machine does it faster and cheaper and is much easier to learn to use. And also keeps getting better in ways a human never can as the tech improves.Sure, it's still lacking in many ways.
>>43171953>It's about 20 seconds per raw image>Vast majority of the raw images are looked at once and then deletedWhat is vast majority? Is 15 minutes a short time or a long time in terms of achieving a "finalized" image?
>>43171953Competing with something that compresses something down to a flat turd? Muh speed is pure cope
>>43171947>>43171950get replaced
>>43171953>You're trying to compete with a machine.Did the Lord say that machines, ought to take the place of livin'?>The machine does it faster Ok>and cheaper Electricity and a computer are cheaper than pen and paper?>and is much easier to learn to use.Skill issue, unironically.>And also keeps getting better in ways a human never can as the tech improves.Right, and by "better" you mean "approaching human ability"?>Sure, it's still lacking in many ways.At least you admit it. In what ways do you think it's lacking?
>>43171970>Did the Lord sayOh Christ on a crutch you are one of those types too? lmao get replaced
>>43171972>>43171965>rawwwwwwk
>>43171972There's multiple Anons on this site, sorry to break it to ya. But, how does AI replace me? I don't sell my draws.
>>43171982If you are too stupid to know, I am not gonna fill you in. Get replaced.
>>43171990You don't even have verbal creativity, lmao
>>43171990Just typing "idk" would've been faster.
>>43171995>Slop This >slop That>get replaced>oy vey, you lack the creative geneAnon in charge of stupidity.
>>43171996Get replaced.
>>43171998Slop is an apt descriptor for someone who only outputs overfit le flashy garbage
>>43172002Are they truly working on an AI that can shitpost and masturbate to horses all day? The marvels of modern science.
>>43172005And people that speak in "le" unironically are slop humans. Get replaced.>>43172007>:^)
>>43171970>Did the Lord say that machines, ought to take the place of livin'?You stink of larper. Bet you don't even have a foreskin.>Skill issue, unironically.So AI isn't easier than drawing?
>>43172011>Slop humansbiggest nothing comeback yet
>>43171972>>43172015>Not recognizing Johnny CashChildren should be banned from the internet
Gentlemen, please. This is a thread about pony gens, not shitflinging.
>>43172025It's not a requirement to praise slop here
>>43171956I started this one shortly after you posted. 15 minutes is about as short as it gets, unless you go for something really really simple like a popular character solo without a specific pose in mind. For this one, I ended up making a total of about a 100 images to reach pic related. I'm not entirely sure about the total since a lot of the time I watch the generator work live and abort the run if it doesn't go in the direction I want.There really is no upper limit to how long it can take. That depends on the complexity and how close to your vision you want it to be. Adding more characters vastly increases the time spent since the gen can do duos somewhat passably but anything beyond that is a total crapshoot and you're better off genning them separately and stitching together the final pic from pieces.
>>43172039>15 minutes is about as short as it getsGrim
>>43172042Don't you have anything better to do with your life than obsessively troll the thread about the thing you hate?>I deliberately entered a thread full of things I hate and now I'm mad! How could this be happening to me?
>>43172048>I can't get anything I want instantly for my dopamine fix like the shills said, this is TROLLINGGrow up
>>43172048>Don't you have anything better to do with your lifepic related>obsessively troll the thread about the thing you hate?I don't hate AI. I use it pretty often myself (goonbots), and I just want to understand the AI image genner's perspective.
Reminder
>>43172067>saved the thumbnailWhat a fumbled gotchya, lmao
>>43172074>Oh nooooo he made a booboo now his argument is completely ungrounded!!!Legacy artists in charge of thinking
>>43172080>Legacy artistsIs that this thread's poopdickschizo?
>>43172080>this one thumbnail will undo our years worth of spouting commie tranny dogma this time sisterslol, lmao even.
>>43172074>implying>>43172067was saved from here since I thought it was relevant to this thread and the amount of hate it gets.>>43172080lmao
>>43172087So is this how you cope with your disability?
>>43172086no that's what's his face, the one that draws down syndrome faced ponies.>>43172089>>43172013this one. lol
>>43172091>A disabled person can visualize and create their idea while the prompters can only put letters in a box for 15minutes and hope for the best out of 100 versions of crapoof.
>>43172096>the one that draws down syndrome faced ponies.Can't a Derpynigga waifufag in peace?
>>43172099so you are disabled? or are you creating another strawman?
>>43172101>>43172039>I started this one shortly after you posted. 15 minutes is about as short as it gets>still riddled with aislop errors>proompter is just too low iq to know how to fix it,>Will never develop a critical eye throwing more slop at the wall>And too lazy to fix it further>still claims it's an artist
>>43172107get replaced
>>43172113So it takes you over 100 lever pulls on the slot machine and you still end up with artifact trash? No wonder all you can do is overfitted slop
>>43172119There’s multiple Anons on this site, sorry to break it to you.
>>43172183No one who says the ai parrot line is good at genning
>>43172036Then gen quality instead.
Back to the topic at hand.
>>43171927A cute
>>43171891Perceived laziness. Been ITT since the start and I think what gets lost in these discussions is how messy and indirect this process actually is.And honestly that’s exactly where the frustration comes from.With a *skilled* artist, the pipeline is straightforward and under control. They think of something, and they execute it step by step:>Sketch for structure (perspective, anatomy, pose)>Refine lines and style>Apply color intentionally>Shade and render>Fix mistakes exactly where they happenAt every stage, they know what they’re doing and why.With AI, it’s completely different. What I do looks like control on the surface, but it really isn’t.My actual workflow is more like:>Start with an idea in my head something very specific>Try to translate that into a prompt (already a problem, because language doesn’t map cleanly to visuals)>Pick a model (PD, ZoinksNoob), maybe a LoRA, tweak weights, CFG, steps, sampler, seed…>Hit generate and wait for a complete surpriseAnd then the result comes out… and it’s almost right, but not really:>Pose is off>Expression is wrong and bedroom eyes in a sad situation is cringe.>Composition drifted>Go back>Rewrite parts of the promptThe worst part is models usually are good, but they have their own bias.They want to generate certain faces, certain styles, certain compositions. Not fully in control I think I'm constantly fighting the model’s preferences. It feels less like creating and more like negotiating:>Trying to describe an image to something that doesn’t really understand you, and it keeps answering with "close enough" variations that miss the point.Meanwhile, a traditional artist just draws the thing and will have completed the artwork just to brag about hos good artists are. They're not wrong. That’s the part that stings. And after all that effort I end up with something I had to fight to get. Then I post it, gain a few likes maybe 20, 30 on Tanta but next to it, someone posts a simple goofy drawing and it gets twice the engagement and doesn't stop.And yeah that’s where I had to confront something myself, overestimating my output. Thinking this is technically better, so it should perform better, and then being confused when it didn’t and that’s where the Dunning–Kruger effect hits. Perception vs reality.So yes AI art is a valid process. It takes effort, iteration, and problem-solving but pretending it’s easier, faster, or more controlled than drawing?I would say an artist have the imagination, the imagination is an IMAGE in the brain and the hand is the printer but let's skip the "just grab a pencil" lie. not everyone can physically handle a stylus right like they can and directly output and move the stylus on the screen. I feel more like a studio photographer finding a place, a spot, asking a model who only speak Lithuanian and a bit of Ukrainian to take various poses and expressions.
>>43172741Lol it doesn't sting at all, I'm getting the best coom that the legacy artists never managed to make for me on this exceptional quality level and at zero cost too. I don't give a flying fuck about whether any of my gens would fetch 100, 10 or even just 1 upvote, I gen for one person only: me, myself and I, don't even bother uploading any of it especially not for ungrateful fucktards.
>>43172753Yeah, and that’s fair. I used to think the same way.But over time I realized I don’t just want to be someone who generates images, I want to aim higher as an artist. I want to build a name, have some identity behind what I make, maybe even change a few people’s minds about AI art instead of just adding to the pile. Because right now, something feels off and the system is rigged.I make content I genuinely like. I spend time on it, refine it, iterate on it, try to push it beyond "just another gen." But building a fanbase from scratch, without connections or visibility, *is* hard. Way harder than people admit.And at some point you start realizing: it’s not just about quality. It’s about who made it.Let’s be honest the same image posted by an established artist will get attention, while yours just sinks. Not because it’s worse, but because there’s no name attached to it. No recognition, no built-in audience, nothing to anchor it.That’s why a lot of people end up gaming the system. Buying followers, pumping up the numbers, just to look established enough to be taken seriously or to shill commissions. It’s not even about ego at that point, it’s survival in an algorithm-driven space.And even that isn’t reliable anymore. I lost hundreds of followers recently to a purge, and it just reinforces how artificial the whole thing is. Those numbers don’t mean loyalty, they don’t mean engagement they’re just a fragile illusion of visibility. The reality is brutal: if you’re under ~1k followers, you’re basically invisible. The algorithm doesn’t push you, people don’t notice you, and your work no matter how much effort you put into it just gets buried. While some absolute moron with 1200 followers post a stick figure "LOL NAZI HORS" and gets instant hundred likes. So yeah, I’m trying to move past just “making images” and figure out how to actually exist as an artist in this space. Because right now it feels like you can do everything right and still be treated like you don’t exist. And I feel this is going to be our biggest problem, to pierce through a noise of slop and people who claim drawn art is more organic or some shit.
>>43172798I ain't reading all that.I'm happy for you though.Or sorry that happened.
>>43172067>Why putting transgender and disabled people in the same bucket.I am legally disabled and I could not express myself without AI. AI is a godsend for millions of disabled not a whining minority of people who pretend to have disability.Like them or not but AI devs aren't your MAGA memer guy from Twitter and clearly not working at X, but the blue haired furry Anon makes fun of. If you cared a little about asking and engaging with people who create your tools.Yikes! the requirement is being a decent human being!
>>43172822>>Why putting transgender and disabled people in the same bucket.Because they're the same thing. Admittedly I have slightly more respect for actually physically disabled people rather than those who disable themselves for virtue points.
>>43172741>>43172798You use too many ChatGPT-isms, lay off the chatbots for a while, son. And you seem to believe that traditional art is easier and has a lower bar of quality for popularity, yet you autistically stick to doing things in a way you know firsthand doesn't get you what you want, which is clearly attention and recognition. Is it just sunk cost at this point?>>43172822>I could not express myself without AIAnd that's a good thing
>>43172824>those who disable themselves for virtue points.Wow fucking really? This is such a terminally online take it hurts. You’re comparing actual disability, something people live with, suffer from, and navigate every day to identities you don’t understand, and then flattening it all into attention seeking. That’s not insight, that’s just you being unable to process anything outside your own frame.From where I stand (enby and AI artist), this just reads like insecurity. You see people modifying identity, presentation, or even the tools they use (AI, etc.), and instead of asking why, you default to fake or self-inflicted. That’s lazy thinking or confusing,Also the irony is insane: you’re on 4chan, a place literally built on anonymity, roleplay, and identity fluidity, trying to lecture others about what’s real.And this whole trans / enby / disabled people hate AI the most thing is just straight up BS as anon mentioned. It’s the opposite in a lot of cases. AI art is accessible. That matters even if it has a strange learning curve and even if it isn't as efficient or lacks the social recognition artists have, you don’t need years of training. You don’t need perfect motor control and this is an essential point for AI, I could prompt with just my voice. You don’t need expensive education or connections with others to know what to do. For a lot of LGBTQ who are statistically more likely to be marginalized or excluded from traditional pipelines, AI becomes a way to create anyway. To express identity, experiment with presentation, build avatars, tell stories. Yes we exist and yes, I feel more at ease with the kind of anti AI hate from my moots, where a right wing AI artist will get at minima being told to kill himself. I see this everyday in Discord channels or X and I feel bad for these artists, I should not but it's a fact.Same for disabled people; If drawing physically is difficult or impossible, generating is literally a workaround. A tool that removes barriers instead of reinforcing them. That’s not disabling yourself, that’s removing limitations.Think of a smarter reply next time, it's a it insulting.
Anyways, here's boop.
>>43172922The boop is almost strong enough to set Derpy's eyes straight.
>>43171615RAINBOW trout>>43171535I already did that one, Anon:https://tantabus.ai/images/67985https://tantabus.ai/images/67984https://tantabus.ai/images/67983
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>>43173546Bonus image of MY BABY so she can have more images on Tantabus than any other OC
>>43173557BOOM
>>43173557imageboard shitted up successfully
>>43173564I've intentionally been slow and steady - I don't think I've posted more than 6 Pipette images in a dayBut it seems like people still think I'm spammy
>>43172039This is the promoter process. It's time to evolve.The Ai artist process is>know what tags you want for exactly what you are thinking (filly Luna corrupted by eldritch tentacle beasts only takes like 20 pos and neg tags once you know what ones to use their actually function)>generate 4 and always have at least one good one>photoshop and Inpaint the fuck out of it>post to social media for 100 likes and be depressed.>generate furry slop>inpaint for 20 seconds cause you don't really give a shit about furry >get 1000 likes on Instagram and 2 patreon subs>cover the pain by genning more ponies.
>>43173668People think its spammy here and tantabus because it looks like basic 1024 dalle prompts from 2023 while most of the ai art fandom has moved on to illustrious, yiffymix, and other models in a variety of resolutions and styles. You picked the most dalle style you could find
>>43173702>the troll is trying to undermine the validity of an ai artist to try and cause infighting
>>43173712That's basic feedback. Nothing trolling about it. Surely you can see posting dalle style over and over with bizaare ai prompts like riding fish is going to annoy people. Go pull up dalle threads from back then. That's what these images are. Nothing wrong if you like it but don't expect everyone to think it's brilliant.
>>43173780>That's basic feedback. Nothing trolling about it.Funny how that's always the immediate excuse whenever trolling gets called out
>>43173786stop being a faggot and have some fanart
>>43171882I've been seeing some vore art of this character, does she actually eat people?
>>43173690Anon that is my process. Out of the 100 pics, only like 20 were raw gens and the rest were messing around in inpaint. And the floaty Twi had more raws than usual because I had trouble getting her to actually float without her having a human pose.And I share your pain. Ponies are, honestly, a fucking pain in the ass to work with because they're so far removed from human/anthro anatomy that the gens do best. And then there's the fact that while I do like shit like pic rel and spent hours upon hours wrangling with tags and weights to create the style, posts that are just "1girl, ass, pussy, from behind" get like 5 times the attention and popularity because of coomers.Tho I don't have a patreon even if I would probs get a fair bit of coombux form there if I did.
>>43173690I wish this worked so I could make easy money out of fleecing furries with too much of it.
>>43173818It only works because i got in early. Now days you are in a tsunami of slop that makes your 10 seconds of inpainting look like a diamond.
>>43173806No. Her entire characterization in the cartoon is just "a supportive loli". If you see her being or doing anything weird, interesting or memorable in derivatives, that's on the derivative's author(s), for better or worse.
>>43173843So it still works? I always thought it'd be hilarious if my GPU could paid for itself that way.
>>43173855Oly if you already built a customer base of furries . It's too late now.
>>43173561Nice one.
>>43171882>hbopTrash
>>43174216>nitpicking the op picTake your trolling elsewhere
>>43171891I am actually giving up, and switching back to my graphic tablet. Fed up with this bullshit. Years ago, when pdv6 got hyped I thought we would get something bigger, like whole episodes generated with og voices and all that but everything is paywalled and is not getting cheaper.
>>43174237It isn't. AI makes decent poner butts but the prompter can't be a 3dpd chaser.
>>43174526Good. More content for the AI to use. I would not completely abandon prompting. But keeping eye skills is probably one of the most important parts of being a prompter. Some of the things I've seen published show that many prompters don't even look at their final product before posting it. Or is possible they do but have no eye. Creating art from tablets will make your eye strong so that when you do decide to prompt you'll know what to look for, correct, reject, etc. We didn't get to where we are by people giving up. Advancements have stagnated but that doesn't mean breakthroughs are impossible. I don't think AI can produce it's own breakthroughs. I think that is where artists and creators step in. >but i don't want AI to get good and make great art available to everyoneSomeone is gonna do it anyway. Maybe you can make your mark on it.
>>43174526>I thought we would get something biggerI'm still sure we will.
>>43172863> I feel more at ease with the kind of anti AI hate from my moots, where a right wing AI artist will get at minima being told to kill himselfThis. Leftist AI hate - I don't like it.Rightoid AI hate - You are an affront to God you're brown you're not working hard, a communist tool just good for generating memes, don't you agree Grok?This puts things in perspective. I hate slop and the kind of repetitive shit like>>43173542>>43173546>>43173794flooding, but I don't want this anon to kill themselves.
>>43171927Gotta admire the dedication.
>If Celestia had been born in a different place and time.>>43174526You've been saying the exact same thing in every thread for more than a year now.How's it going with the drawings? Anything to show?
>>43175258Aztec goddess Celestia isn't something I thought I needed but apparently it was.
Incredible hihg speed>>43173794>short mane>suspiciously hidden cutie markSee, this is the problem with trying to use other models for thisShe cute though
>>43175678
I have a 3D print I am printing at the moment that's based off a picture that was posted in last thread. It will be ready in 20 hours. It was of this. If anyone wants the file to print out for themselves, I can upload it after I can confirm it works. Or if you just want it for the 3d model that's cool too. Ill post a picture of the finished product tomorrow around noon.
>>43175694That one was hot. Celunia has been delivering lately.
>>43175716Yea I consider them one of the best in the AI scene. Really top shelf stuff.
>>43175694How'd you get a 3d model from a picture????
>>43175753Cheeky answer: Meme MagicReal answer: A lot of trial and error. And money and time spent perfecting the gen. But Trellis 2 and Ultrashape to be specific.
>>43175786Thank you
Print Update: Looking good so far
Its going much faster then what the slicer said it would take. It's going to be finished in 4 hours. It's already doubled in size from what I just posted. I love this printer. I don't even remember the settings I used. I just threw it on the SD card after slicing and hoped the settings would work. It's been like 3 years since I have played with it. >*fingers crossed*
>>43175258Uh oh. She's looking at a sacrifice, isn't she.
>>43176239>>43176549Updating in /create/ at this point, I kind of branched off into another thread and I don't want to cross streams. Ill post the finished model here when it is done.
>>43174533I literally have no idea what you are talking about and I don't know who that pony is made after. I just thought it was a robo-ponywaifu kind of deal. I am glad to see my choice garnered some content. It was just the best looking one for an AI thread IMO. No more, no less.
>>43175680Look at those lines!Impressive speed.
>>43177263>>43176554
They glow in the dark.
I think I broke something.
Moth>>43176737She zoom
>>43177777 wew
>>43177786
AI Pony in meatspace.
>>43177803So cool. Are you gonna paint her?
>>43177834Not this one. I like the look of this filament, if I do paint her I'll print another one in black. I might even start it this evening. I have paints and an airbrush. So its highly likely I attempt it.
