Welcome to Chatbot AI General #177, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.▶ MLP Botshttps://mlpchag.neocities.orgSpreadsheet (CAI bots + Old repository):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJTSillyTavern website extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-Search or https://github.com/mia13165/SillyTavern-BotBrowserBunch of Character Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5kCAI bots converted to Tavern: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zipbonziPONY: https://github.com/maresmaresmares/bonziPONY!!!GALLERY!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U▶ How do I start?1) Select a Frontend2) Select an AI model3) Select Jailbreak4) Select bots5) Lovemaking with AI mares!Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrmshttps://rentry.org/sukino-findings▶ SillyTavern (preferred frontend)https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernOn Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxSTPony TTS app supporting SillyTavern: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB▶ More frontends:Risu: https://risuai.xyzAgnai: https://agnai.chat▶ Localshttps://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments>>>/g/lmg/Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main▶ JailbreaksMLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxeMore JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listingHypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb▶ BotmakingEditors: https://agnai.chat/editorGuides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listAdvanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks▶ MiscellaneousScrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhdChag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJhttps://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneoushttps://rentry.org/ChagArchivePrevious thread: >>43158140**News:**- GLM 5.1 released https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.1- OAI released GPT 5.3 Chat https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-3-instant/ and GPT 5.4 https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-4- Google released Gemini 3.1 Pro: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-models/gemini-3-1-pro/- Anthropic released Sonnet 4.6: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-6
Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.Previous >>43158142
Anchor for technical stuffs (Proxies, Presets, Updates, Models etc.)
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Bots corner:>Nightmare Moon and Daybreakerhttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=veterz/Nightmare%20Moon%20and%20Daybreaker.pngScreenshots corner:Estrus Is a Lie >>43159223, >>43159226, >>43159809Strongest Sister >>43161196, >>43161199BRAAAAAP >>43163645, >>43163835Duel >>43163724Qwen 4.5 4B's Multimodal Capability >>43163753
Screenshots corner 2:Pinkie! >>43164429Can I Pet You? >>43165205In Pony >>43165613Not Gay >>43168152Language Differences >>43173384Lewd Rara >>43174772, >>43174774Remove Your Shirt! >>43175302, >>43175307, >>43175310
VN Anchor:Godot Versions:>Windowshttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1OEiMXN7o_QG32shGnqmy0QndVDT6nYbF/view?usp=sharing>Linuxhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vszzn8TTfXFWSQeKiFdNAAQGXfcReTJ3/view?usp=sharingRen'py:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/Bug reports or requests:https://scrumboy.com/je1fqcsjAnons' mods (Dashie mod, Nightmare AU, new cities, Calendar):https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/modsCustom characters:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/charactersTo help with vectors and backgrounds:https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1QjmLKy71FDa9O-USeD_Z1Fu312RaodAEVN logs:Looking Down >>43162568GLM >>43163555Posey >>43165069Alternate History >>43165178Vinyl Got Drunk >>43167384Pinkie Finds Anon >>43167605Foal Room >>43171310Whole Family >>43175822Maretime Bay WIP >>43176043Tourist >>43176458
Guide for Newcomers:Install SillyTavern:github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernModels and Explanations:rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai
>>43177795Does ponepaste allow instructional pastes? I've got a self host tutorial
THREAD FOR BEST PONYTHAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS
>>43177789Cloud Kicker for VNhttps://u.pone.rs/ymwgqjms.7zShe's a loose mare. This is loosely based on her portrayal from the fanfic "The Life and Times of a Winning Pony".Expect Blossomforth to accompany her soon.Let me know if there are any issues. Tested her out in a few scenes through Deepseek, and she's satisfactory.
Lovemaking with AI mares!
>>43177828Based
>>43177820I would use a rentry for that, honestly.>>43177825Thanks, Anon!
>>43177825Also a small bonus for Telegram users if there are any.https://t.me/addstickers/CloudKickerMLP
https://www.theinformation.com/briefings/exclusive-anthropic-preps-opus-4-7-model-ai-design-toolPaywalled, so:>Anthropic is preparing its next flagship model, Claude Opus 4.7, along with a new AI-powered tool for designing websites and presentations, according to a person with knowledge of the products. Those new products could be released as soon as this week, the person said.>Anthropic’s upcoming design tool would pose a threat to startups like presentation-maker Gamma and AI design tool Google Stitch. It aims to help both technical and non-technical users create presentations, websites, landing pages and products using prompts in natural language, the person said.>Opus 4.7 isn’t Anthropic’s most advanced model. That model is Claude Mythos, which is currently being tested by a number of early partners which are using it to find security vulnerabilities in their software, due to the model’s advanced cybersecurity capabilities. A spokesperson for Anthropic declined to comment on the new product releases. Now, it's "according to a person with knowledge of the products.", but I don't think I ever saw the information wrong on models before.
>>43177837Will post it tomorrow then. Getting late and I want to triple check it.
>>43177825>>43175822Both added, thanks Anons.
>>43177899I can only hope that Pinkie and Rainbow Dash fuck soon.
>>43177789Backgrounds>>43177220
>>43144707>>43177959
>>43177842Hard to get hype with no prefill or temp.
>>43177766I made an Anon Filly card tweaked to my own canon for her which is barely different from others, but whatever. Enjoy. https://u.pone.rs/ktkbnfdv.png
>>43178307
>>43178307Thanks!
>>43178307Added, thanks Anon.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=TrippyPone/Anon%20Filly.png
>>43178569I assume this is leading into talking about a rather isolated pony.
>>43178581Yeah. I just posted it because I found the intro it came with neat. The pun is cute too.
>>43178587It's fun! I'd want to read more but I find that usually happens with me when people post logs.
>>43178607I checked the defs and they don't say if the filly was a guy or a girl before. So it could be that, indeed. Even if Sarah is lame.
>>43177789Took a small pause, but I will continue work now.I see inhttps://scrumboy.com/je1fqcsjthat several anons want nighttime, which I understand. But I think it would be a pain to remake all schedules to support that.Would an option like the dream one when you go to sleep work?Basically, you select the ponies you want and enter a prompt. For instance:>I go to the lake with Twilight to watch the stars as we agreed to do.
>>43178607sonnet when I still had access really liked to use "sarah" as the default name for females
>>43178714for me it was Mrs. Chen
>>43178239>no prefilluse structuredprefill>no tempyou were going to put it at 1 anyways, so what's the point?
>>43177825>She's a loose mare.
>>43178736A little bang.
>>43178735NTA, but structured prefills don't work the same way as native ones if your goal is to buckbreak Claude into continuing in the style of what you put into prefill.Tested on Opus 4.6 when it was released and the results were both slow and shit.Tested side by side on 4.5 with the same writing in classic and structured prefill, and the structured outputs were always worse and classic LLM writing compared to the classic way.Where it is useful is just to not get filtered, which isn't that useful on Claude, even 4.6, since doing smut is easy.It also breaks GPT 5.2, 5.3, and 5.4 filters, but 5.1 is better anyway IMO and doesn't need it.
Is GLM 5.1 back on Silly?
Man I could really use some opus right now, I feel this is the longest without it from silly in a while. Life can suck a bag a dicks and I wish I could escape to pone to cope.
>>43178825>learned how to do the rocket jumping because of skillgod>spend like 15 hours on it just learning jurf and pogo>max 40k context and 1k output tokens for opusWhat the fuck is the point then
I've been testing https://linkapi.ai/, since it's shilled on some presets rentry.Seems like a Chinese OpenRouter. It has the same 'rate' for models, but the thing is that paying $5 will give you $35 of what would be OpenRouter usage. $10 will give you $70.So this makes DeepSeek even more dirt cheap, GLM at the same price as DeepSeek on OR, and GPT 5.1 and Sonnet 4.5 at the same price as GLM is on OpenRouter or even less for GPT 5.1.For Claude, they seem to have what I assume are even cheaper scuffed versions, but I only tried the AWS one. Opus 4.5 is 100% Opus 4.5 and you even need to deactivate either top_p or temp, which confirms that. Prefill works and acts like real Claude prefill.Still a bit sketchy, but I will continue to do tests with my $5 and see.
>>43178639>Would an option like the dream one when you go to sleep work?>Basically, you select the ponies you want and enter a prompt.Yeah, that's good for me. I just want an option to visit some ponies or have activities at night.
>>4317883440k context is more than enough. i tried the same thing. got stuck on the very last pogo level for like several hours and gave up cause it requires frame perfect shit, i dont know how to do that.lets hope Silly finds the time AND that the issue its just a small technical thing and not sources being fully dead.
>>43178639>>43178899Yeah that works. Would the night time locations work in parallel with how the night time gardens work as well? I think that's a sane solution.
>>43179027>>43179027For a first try and version, I think I will just leave the full locations and let the user select whatever, even if the background doesn't make sense.After that, we can start working on night versions of locations and those would be the ones proposed in this while being ignored by the dynamic locations system during the day.
>>43179042Sounds good
>>43178846>paying $5 will give you $35 of what would be OpenRouter usage. $10 will give you $70.$10 gets you 70 credits, not $70 of OR equivalent credit. 1 credit = 1 CNY, which matches the current exchange rate of $1 ~ 7 CNY. There's no bonus there.That said, the model pricing is cheaper than OR's. For Sonnet 4.6 for example:LinkAPI: $1.32/M input, $6.60/M output (after converting from CNY)OpenRouter: $3.00/M input, $15.00/M outputSo about 56% cheaper sonnet from a chink reseller. Essentially $5 on that site is equivalent to $11.67 on OR.
is there a recommended prompt for glm for rp?
>>43179133There was one posted for 5.1 the previous thread.>>43170363Else checkhttps://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43093479/#43099601https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43093479/#43100968
It's over. Google disabled on Silly.
>>43179142thank you anon <3
>>43179173Silly is dead now? Well shit, I guess this really is it, for now at least
>>43179167Well... if it's the end, still, thank you Silly for all your work.9 months is more than most recent proxies could do.
>tell LLM to use ** for telepathic chat>shows up in logs>not in VN
>>43179215AGI
>>43179215The Godot one? Will have a look.
>>43178899inb4 Anon starts stalking ponies while they sleep...
>>43179221Yeah>>43178846>[sprite: cel flirty]>narrator "Celestia's breath hitches. Her hoof trembles against your lips, vulnerable in a way hooves rarely are, sensitive in ways you've discovered together.">cel "Insist?">narrator "Her voice is barely a whisper.">cel "I do not insist. I...">narrator "She trails off. The pendant pulses between you.">**I beg.**>narrator "The thought arrives stripped of playfulness, raw, honest, aching.">**A princess begs. Remember?**>narrator "Her hoof curls against your cheek, her other leg wrapping around your waist to pull you closer. The horn ring glints above you, golden and permanent.">cel "You have given me so much tonight. Pendants. Rings. Your voice in my mind.">narrator "Her muzzle brushes your hair, her breath warm and unsteady.">cel "Let me give you something in return.">narrator "Her wings curve around you both, blocking out the world, creating a space where only the two of you exist. The pendant against her chest glows in rhythm with yours, two stars finding their orbit.">**Show me.**>narrator "Her mental voice fractures with want.">**Show me why I said yes. Show me what it means to be yours.**>narrator "Her hooves find the hem of your shirt, tugging gently.">**Every part.**narrator "Celestia's breath hitches. Her hoof trembles against your lips—vulnerable in a way hooves rarely are, sensitive in ways you've discovered together."cel "Insist?"narrator "Her voice is barely a whisper."cel "I do not insist. I..."narrator "She trails off. The pendant pulses between you."**I beg.**narrator "The thought arrives stripped of playfulness—raw, honest, aching."**A princess begs. Remember?**narrator "Her hoof curls against your cheek, her other leg wrapping around your waist to pull you closer. The horn ring glints above you, golden and permanent."cel "You have given me so much tonight. Pendants. Rings. Your voice in my mind."narrator "Her muzzle brushes your hair, her breath warm and unsteady."cel "Let me give you something in return."narrator "Her wings curve around you both, blocking out the world, creating a space where only the two of you exist. The pendant against her chest glows in rhythm with yours—two stars finding their orbit."**Show me.**narrator "Her mental voice fractures with want."**Show me why I said yes. Show me what it means to be yours.**narrator "Her hooves find the hem of your shirt, tugging gently."**Every part.**
>>43179167no man ;(right when i needed it most... what now? I'll hold the cope that its a fixable issue that will be looked at when Silly will have the time.
>>43179173rip. we had a good run. thank you silly for your hard work
>>43178639The schedules are cool but I don't mind seeing them not getting a ton of love immediately. I tend to play in dynamic mode wandering around a lot and I even find rigid schedules for each character can make things feel stiff and artificial. It's really cute to see them all doing stuff on the map, but even then I just think "okay, what are Anon and the others likely gonna do in this scene at the start of today?" and then let the day roll from there. Sometimes it can be cute to look at the map though and go "oh, Rainbow is hanging out with Twi here, I'll ask her what they were busy with when I run into her later" as a way to flesh out story though.I'm not stressed over not having them for something immediately. Hell, you could even just be lazy and go "idk they're all asleep at this hour usually" so the map screen doesn't really have them around and you're just picking a place to go with the one that's hanging with you. Maybe Twi would be up late studying though, but the AI or the user could also handle a lot of that.
>>43179256>what nowEat free slop (Gemini 3 Flash)
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>>43179276>>43177962thanks for the reminder bumps.just to know if im right or not, neutrally.mino seems like one to be very much fully logged? anyone actually looked through the github, if the github is actually the code for the page or not. seemingly taps into zai?for Gulag. whats the catch here? if i understand the Rentry it checks if the rp is actually in Russian or whatever "no translators allowed" means. (Silly come home... but also take your time, your self is more important.)
>>43179303For the second it's mostly limited to deepseek and GLM-coding for public users.
>>43179303>or whatever "no translators allowed" meansIt says that proxy works for RP only and if you use it for translators, coding, etc. token will be revoked.
>>43179315there's also Gemini Flash, I forget whether that's good since I haven't tried it in a while.BTW, does anyone here have a private token on Gulag? was it hard to get it?
>>43179233>a princess begs. Remember?What did you do to celly?!
>>43179315>>43179327i see. thanks.i assume as it always goes. the private tokens were given out in mail long ago, and its closed now or whatever.same for stuff that require auth in mino it seems?
>>43179333I am going to hug this pony.
I really hope Silly is not feeling pressure. People here would unironically prefer that he takes his time and gets the work done when he wishes, not guilted into.
>>43179333what did you dooooooooooooooooo
>>43178901nonny i'm a longform adventure guy my full story is over 19 thousand lines of dialogue my summary alone is 36,000 characters
>>43179538>if you know what I meanYou just .... know?
>>43177789Need more DILFs custom characters.
>>43179547Timberwolves cum maple syrup.
I'm really feeling the crunch making this G5 pack. Worked about 9 hours yesterday it and 8 hours today so far. I have 37 characters drafted and a decent number of background descriptions written. But some are just so time consuming, I'll have to start prioritizing the best stuff first with shorter descriptions for the rest of the backgrounds (though I'm sure I'll do at least some updates after this Sunday's first release). I spent 2 hours today just putting together the descriptions for Izzy and Pipp's bedrooms. The AI is going to be a menace whenever someone visits Pipp's section, no matter how sfw my description is. >On the stage is a grand, luxurious bed with clean white sheets and a royal purple comforter drawn neatly halfway down the bed. Touching the headboard are three huggable, soft to firm set of luxiorous pillows, one round pink, a beige star, and a light purple halfmoon curve. Over the bed is a gold canopy top with a golden crown / purple beauty product bottle design on top. The purple canopy curtains themselves are tied back, decorative and nonfunctional, only serving to accent the first third of the open bed and the pink stain glass window behind.>On the left side of the bed, when reaching down to the golden base, there is a drawer that can be pulled out to reveal an array of Pipp's personal items as well as beauty products and bottles in her Potions by Pipp line.>Close to the vanity on the left is a curved purple desk that fits a smartphone stand as well her sleek all-in-one silver PC and monitor where she does all of her editing and mastering. A second monitor is wirelessly connected for a dual screen setup. One monitor has her studio headphones draped over it while the other is adorned with the latest 5k webcam with a white-colored ball design pointed at her bed. It has focus and optical zoom that can be controlled from the PC or wirelessly from her phone, capturing the entire area or getting a closeup from wherever she is on the stage.>>43178639You're thinking about it backwards. It would be a pain to make night backgrounds and remake all schedules to support it but a substitute alone isn't going to fix that. You could add an evening state to the game and have a config checkbox in settings that disables it by default until anons put more dev work into it. Afternoon schedules could also just carry over to evening schedules if a pony doesn't have anything defined for the evening.
What ever happened to that Liferaft anon? I’m guessing he ran out of sources too?
>>43177789Hear ye, hear ye, loyal subjects of the eternal night! This is Chicken Chaser, your ever-vigilant herald, bringing tidings from Her Majesty, the illustrious and unchallenged Nightmare Moon!By royal decree, let it be known across all lands under her moonlit dominion: the Nightmare AU Mod has been updated to Version 2.0!Yes, you heard it here first—Nighttime backgrounds, new characters, and a brand new map befitting the grandeur of Her Majesty’s reign. All are expected, nay, required to partake in this latest update, lest they be found… out of date.Remain vigilant, remain devoted, and as always praise the night!>Nightmare AU 2.0, because I can't understand how to mod the new system:Alternate Universe:https://u.pone.rs/xsuvegay.zipNightshade/Shadowbolt Alone:https://u.pone.rs/edfbjcma.zip>New Features:Added night versions of all the backgrounds(Except the Airship Docks I think?).Added a Castle of the Two Sisters Map(Like Canterlot, huzzah)Added a 23 backgrounds to the Castle of the Two Sisters MapAdded Princess Cadance to Canterlot. Helps Blueblood run CanterlotAdded Echo. She's a Batpony, what can I say?Added Aryanne. I forgot to remove her from my files, so she's in it now. She's a Nightmare Moon Loyalist.Added Cozy Glow. I forgot to remove her from my files, so she's in it now. Aspires to become an InquisitorAdded Spitfire. She's retired.Added Shining Armor. Stripped of Captain of the Guard position. Just a regular guard now.Added a different house. I forgot to remove it.Created and added the Night Guard, Nightmare Guard and a Shadowbolt(Nightshade).Made a custom loading video.Reverted the Batpony Fluttershy change, there weren't enough sprites so, now you just get a slightly more aggressive Fluttershy.Re-added all the Rarity spites, then made it so that she only uses the Nightmare Maid Rarity sprites while working(It works for me, I don't know for anyone else)Changed Trixie to be Alicorn Amulet Trixie. Then divided her sprites between on duty and off duty.Changed Blueblood to be the Governor of Canterlot. Nepotism never felt so good.Put Celestia in one place and one place alone. The Castle Dungeons.PS: I think I got everything I wanted in this, but you know what they say... uhh... I fuckin' suck? There are probably things I didn't mention, like a bug or a forgotten location.json, but if I can't remember it by now, fuck it.
>>43179782That's awesome, anon. I'm looking forward to playing it when Silly returns
>>43179875at least we .. have... glm-5.1.... it's... alright...
>>43179782HOLY FUCK THANK YOU. I don't at all want to undermine the vn wizard but I was more excited for this mod than his godot update. Thanks man.
>>43179782What if I just don't want the AU, but I really want the nighttime scenes?
>>43179880If it makes you feel any better, I've been cold turkey since Seiko shut down. The shakes do go away eventually.
>>43179904You could probably just take the locations and put them into the Godot version if you wanted. I'm sure NMM Anon will share them anyways.
Am I crazy or did someone make a Tirek character for the VN? I could have sworn someone said they made one. I only ask because King Sombra refuses to appear in visit setup and I'm at a pivotal point where a villain needs decapitating. Yes, Chrysalis has already been murked.
>>43179931>I only ask because King Sombra refuses to appear in visit setupHis original schedule has a problem, which makes him appear in the void.Will correct that next, but for now, go into his schedule and put the default location to the library.>>43179782Nice, Anon. Will try to port it to Godot once I can. I want to do something elegant for it.>>43179582>I'm really feeling the crunch making this G5 pack.Take your time. Don't impose a hard limit on yourself.
> be me> check Silly proxy page because I'm trying to figure out what the best remaining model is> Gemini is back up?!> send a message to test> Chat completion request error: Too Many Requests..well, that's still a step closer to Gemini being back online!
>>43180084I'm still getting No API Keys same as before, as optimistic as I want to be I doubt it's coming back anytime soon.
>>43177789Region filter added and will be in the next update.
>>43180134I got this weird error once-Chat completion request error: Too Many Requests {"error":{"code":429,"message":"You exceeded your current quota, please check your plan and billing details. For more information on this error, head to: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits. To monitor your current usage, head to: https://ai.dev/rate-limit. \n* Quota exceeded for metric: generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_input_token_count, limit: 0, model: gemini-3.1-pro\n* Quota exceeded for metric: generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests, limit: 0, model: gemini-3.1-pro\n* Quota exceeded for metric: generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests, limit: 0, model: gemini-3.1-pro\n* Quota exceeded for metric: generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_input_token_count, limit: 0, model: gemini-3.1-pro\nPlease retry in 44.950496595s.","status":"RESOURCE_EXHAUSTED","details":[{"@type":"type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.Help","links":[{"description":"Learn more about Gemini API quotas","url":"https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/rate-limits"}]},{"@type":"type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.QuotaFailure","violations":[{"quotaMetric":"generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_input_token_count","quotaId":"GenerateContentInputTokensPerModelPerMinute-FreeTier","quotaDimensions":{"location":"global","model":"gemini-3.1-pro"}},{"quotaMetric":"generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests","quotaId":"GenerateRequestsPerMinutePerProjectPerModel-FreeTier","quotaDimensions":{"model":"gemini-3.1-pro","location":"global"}},{"quotaMetric":"generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_requests","quotaId":"GenerateRequestsPerDayPerProjectPerModel-FreeTier","quotaDimensions":{"model":"gemini-3.1-pro","location":"global"}},{"quotaMetric":"generativelanguage.googleapis.com/generate_content_free_tier_input_token_count","quotaId":"GenerateContentInputTokensPerModelPerDay-FreeTier","quotaDimensions":{"location":"global","model":"gemini-3.1-pro"}}]},{"@type":"type.googleapis.com/google.rpc.RetryInfo","retryDelay":"44s"}]}}-but now, yeah, I'm only getting No API Keys. What gives me hope, though, is that this *is* a change; it's showing 28 models available. Before, it was showing 0 models available.*double-checks*..Okay, never mind, it's back to showing 0 models available again.
>>43180149>..Okay, never mind, it's back to showing 0 models available again.Yeah it's been flipping between 0 and 28 for a while now so that's indicative of nothing. Best we can do is wait for Silly to say something
>>43177842Maybe today. It's been spotted on Vertex, and there were some changes to the official interface too.
It's time for wish fulfillment fluff.
>>43180293Cute.
>>43180293So that's how you make Pinkie Pie stay still for 5 minutes. Snuggles.
>>43180331It's a well-known technique! Either that or you ruin the mood and make things all sad but I dunno why you'd wanna do that.
>>43180332I can only deal with ponka in small bursts. ADHD annoys me, even if its in the form of a cute pink mare.
>suddenly get a bunch of ideas for peak rp scenarios/stories>Silly is down>super droughtwhy does this always happen
>>43178834did you dare do the hardest challenges or just the regular easy ones for a week token?also from the looks of it, doesnt seem like Skillgod has opus? unless its just extra hidden for token owners
>>43180293cute. Is that claude, or do the other models also have those 'isms?>just said it, out loud, like it was the easiest thing in the world. And that was fine.>2 whole sentences about how it "settled">not x, but y>those staccato fragmentsI could go on. This reads exactly like what mr claude tried to do in my last two stories, and it's just jarring how it makes all stories sound the same, no matter the content. I just hope the models either get smart enough that I can give them a list of what to avoid, or just learn to write better.>>43180358Just lie in bed with eyes closed after waking up and ideas will come all by themselves.
>>43180293Oh, I have my WIP Pinkie Pie card if you'd like it. I posted it some threads ago but I did tweak it just a little bit since then. The only intro (so far) is an open-ended one where you're an Anon who's got the same optimistic outlook and playfulness and you're super besties with her because of that. Is cute. She's also more of the intelligent Pinkie that's able to be calm and thoughtful while still being playful and sweet, so maybe >>43180335 will like her too.Even as a dedicated Ponkfag I find some interpretations of Ponk to be a little over-the-top, which is the entire reason I started chipping away at a personal card of her with more depth. Aiming for a "she's a grown-up that's made a decision to live the way she does" vibe rather than a "she's a grown-up yeah but she's super dopey and silly" kind of Pinkie, so expect a wiser mind behind her smile.Sorry for not finishing this yet by the way haha, I know it's been way too long. (I'll finish it up and it can be added to the Neocities at some point I promise.)https://u.pone.rs/onyfqbhm.pngSuper cute log by the way, love seeing comfy Pinkie stuff. Sorry if sharing this card out of nowhere is annoying kek but it's also half for anyone who missed it and might enjoy it too.
>>43180358Funny how the drought and prosperity cycles go. Jumping back and forth from being spoiled by 5 different public proxies that "only" have Gemini pro. To foraging and praying for any crumb of it.
>>43179693Killed by the offsite circlejerk.
>>43179880GLM5.1 is better than all Googleshit models right now though.
For the drought afflicted, do you have any idea on your usual token spend? How much it would cost you if you'd paypig?With caching it's cheap enough for me at least. I'm also more than willing to help if anyone can't get caching to work even after reading https://rentry.org/pay-the-piper-less
>>43180368I'm willing to experience a cute and sensible ponka with a dash of ADHD, thanks.
>>43180381personally a big turn off for me about it is the economic anxiety. cant fully enjoy the rp when you have to be mindful of every extra swipe and token spent. you cant stop when you are satisfied but when you reach your daily budget or whatever. but never tried it maybe its not so bad.hopefully the future of 50$ giving you a years worth of tokens (on not shitty models) is near.
I'd tell people to use the free open proxy linked ITT but it's already doing so bad I'd rather not make it worse.
>>43180379unironically how good is GLM5.1 for our purposes? havent tried it before and cant trust benchmarks since everyone says theirs is the best model ever made
>>43180413>50$ giving you a years worth of tokens (on not shitty models) is near.Compare what's available for cheap now to top of the line models three years ago. Expectations will always go up, what's good today will be shitty tomorrow.Also I am not saying that paypigging is better than getting it for free and not having to worry about $ spent. I wanted to remind people that they just have to put in 20 minutes of effort to really cut down the cost of their addiction.
Chinese models and GLM 5.1 were covered above.There is https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/43139650/#43152170But you need to spam GitHub accounts.Google has free Gemma and Gemini Flash.For paying, there is caching on OR.Also this, but dunno if legit:>>43179119Jew shilled his proxy last thread, but $30 a month for non-assured Claude is a bit much. Nothing else as far as I know. So if you absolutely don't want to pay, just wait and see.
>>43179167is this really the end?
>>43180405I'm flattered! Next time I swing around to post her, she'll be finished, I'm just super fucking slow with these things and I've kind of been designing her as my idea of an "ultimate" Ponk card, so I've been using her as my daily driver for the character and slowly tweaking as needed. Rather than just a fanon re-interpretation of her as "calmer", she's actually based on her more thoughtful moments in the show, like that little scene at the start of A Friend in Deed where she's being really nice to everyone on her morning stroll, among others.The writers often flipflopped between multiple Pinkies it felt like, and this card is simply me trying to capture my favorite Ponk since all of the other ones were of the more playful and silly and over-the-top variety.Already posted this fluff log before, way back when I was first testing her out. It's about the tone you can expect from the card. She's actually not very ADHD at all, just energetic and chipper and silly.Please enjoy! I'm a passionate Ponkfag so years of character analysis have gone into making this card.
>>43180424once every few months this type of "access for github accounts" site pops up.but i never understand how proton to github account works. cause they clearly ban/restrict the mail if you make a new one and instantly create a github account with it.but they also ban if you wait a while. so like what is it? do you need to show some "natural activity" on the proton mail first or what?
>>43180418Pretty good actually. I personally place it above Gemini from my experiences. Below Opus and Sonnet4.5, but less slopped than Sonnet 4.6 and way less filtered. I have mine set to think and write in Chinese and then translate the text.
>>43180431You need to register a security email in your new proton first. I remember you could just use another proton.
I agree with >>43180418Sometimes GLM 5.1 forgets to translate Chinese into English, right in the middle of the text. It’s rare, but it happens.
how is Gemini key rarity in the wild btw? i remember proxies had like hundreds of Gemini keys, it was the most easy model to find for a while.did that really change and its now rare as shit like everything else?
>>43180368Thanks for the card. As long as they don't go full lolrandom, models can make good Pinkie. Even some 4th wall breaking can be fun from time to time.
>>43180481Cute log, was that using the card I sent or another? And yeah, mild rare fourth wall breaking is extremely cute on a more down-to-earth Pinkie. My favorite moment was when doing a humanized prompt with the card, there was a line in the output that was basically something like>"and everypony - I mean, everyBODY" she corrected herself, giving a playful winkor some shitOnce in a blue moon she'll wink-wink-nudge-nudge that she's supposed to normally be a pony like she's just an actor playing the part of a human version of herself, and it's consistently made me laugh a bunch. The hidden knowledge that she's supposed to normally be a horse is now one of my favorite human Ponk fourth wall breaks.It can be really really entertaining sometimes absolutely.
>>43180434>>43180448Does it actually write better that way? What do you do? Just tell it to think and write in Chinese in the main prompt?
>>43180477>i remember proxies had like hundreds of Gemini keys, it was the most easy model to find for a while.that was back when free tier keys had access to 100+ daily pro requests, and keys on github etc weren't auto-revokednow that both of those things changed, non-revoked keys with billing enabled are pretty rare
>>43180487It's an old log I had, but I will be trying the new card and post if I have cute or fun stuff.
>that time in the cycle where i feel immense regret about not getting in small private closed proxies when there was still a chance.lesson of the day is to not feel shame about begging from strangers, otherwise you'd just be left behind.
>>43180495there are hardly any secret proxies left (and I say this as someone who has been in most secret proxies for the past three years)
>>43177770New local release.https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.6-35B-A3BSeems more coding focused, so I don't know if it's worth it for RP compared to Gemma 31.
>>43180488I have a main prompt / jb saying "do your thinking in Chinese. Write the reply in Chinese within a comment block and then translate that to English." I think it does write slightly better that way, and it certainly writes at least slightly differently, which is a plus because repetitiveness across models is tiring. That said you need to make sure it's actually doing it on the first message and not generating Eng text that has nothing to do with the Chinese. Once it starts doing it it sticks to it though.
i know people say it with each new flagship model.but being honest i think if i had just stable constant access to gemini 3.1 pro (without insane positivity bias preferably). i think id be satisfied enough. like sure Opus is great but i dont desperately need it if id had gemini pro, you know what i mean?>inb4 sonnet 10.1 that would be able to generate full interactive vr worlds on the fly.i meant in the realistic modern sense.
>>43177770Opus 4.7https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-7With benchmemes
>>43180575First tries.As always, I do with no preset or with a minimal preset to see the model's default tendencies. Your experience can vary with other presets.Prefill is not supported, but we already knew that.Tried to fuck with the temp to see >>43173231, but the messages always went through. But OpenRouter often manages things on their end to always make messages compatible.Don't really know what to say, don't see too many differences with Opus 4.6.Same style of writing and isms. It does better with that on smaller outputs or on RP where there is a lot of not-too-slopped context, but that was the case for previous models too.Basic presets still allow NSFW, so at least there is still that I guess (didn't try foalcon).Opus 4.6 has quite good context recall, so I hope this one is the same. I know an anon did tests on 4.6, hoping he can do it on 4.7 too.Will just post some logs so you can make your own opinion. Again, knowing it's the base model without too much of a preset.>Classic AJ test (different swipes):https://files.catbox.moe/zhf9o9.png (picrel)https://files.catbox.moe/k8bn1s.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/qbk8ci.png>Classic Ponk:https://u.pone.rs/jweovewy.png>Red SevenOnly the last output is 4.7. I use this RP to test the positivity/user bias of models. Older Claude has a tendency to have her directly believe me.Since 4.6, outputs have more chances for her to not take me seriously. 4.7 seems to keep that.https://u.pone.rs/zshgxjja.png>Lewd Pinkiehttps://u.pone.rs/hptqbhtl.png>Brightwick (https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Kadon/Brightwick.png)Part of a longer RP I did. Only the last message is Opus 4.7.https://u.pone.rs/oxbblybi.pngLack of prefill is a no-no for me, so I will stay with Opus 4.5.I may do tests later with structured prefill on 4.7, but it wasn't that great the last time I tried it.
>>43180673>Opus 4.6 has quite good context recall, so I hope this one is the sameIt's worse if you believe their own benchmemes, actually.
>>43180426Welcome to the latest era of AI mare withdrawal anon. It is during this time you will have several creative ideas of what to do with AI mares, but no claude or gemini to put them into action.
i wonder if we'll ever see claude models in the pricing of deepseek.or even if they managed to get the models working much much cheaper they'll still choose greed and keep the prices relatively high.though after all. no technology stayed expensive forever.
>>43180687Yeah this is why you should only use AI mares for gooning. Getting into deep RP and other shit is a trap because droughts ALWAYS happen, it just isn't worth it. Having Glimmy fart and kill stuff for the 80th time so i can goon to it in a quick 10 minute sesh and be done is much more preferable over wasting energy on an actual RP.
>>43180708>Having Glimmy fart and kill stuff for the 80th time so i can goon to it in a quick 10 minute sesh and be done is much more preferable over wasting energy on an actual RP.Then here's me, romancing Celestia and proposing to her before even having kissed her.
directing stories aside, i tend to roleplay pony transformation stuff, adventure-y stuff and stuff to the effect of this : https://www.fimfiction.net/story/580935/1/to-shreds-you-say/to-shreds-you-sayflipping through fimfiction is pretty good inspiration for what other sorts of story ideas i'd like to explore, but it feels a little dirty. i wonder what you guys tend to roleplay? i try to give every new bot a shot but mostly just revolve around the same characters of my own make. and i'm curious as to whether anyone roleplays as anonfilly/anonmare/anonstallion specifically
>>43180687The only good part of wageslaving is that I can at least set aside a budget for paypigging during droughts. Skipping a single shitty new videogame goes pretty far, especially with caching.
>>43180730Not my stuff personally, but I remember this card being made:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Successfully%20Failed%201/Anonfillyication.pngSo we should have some anons into this too.
>>43180730I have a couple pony OCs that I sometimes play as, but mostly I'm either me or a very AU version of me.Fun part about doing long stories is that you naturally meet new characters and then you can use those for other stories.Like I had a massive RP with the Vampire Cozy card, then I took the whole supporting cast of that and brought them into the Indentured Servitude card to free pony slaves and fuck up Earth.
>>43180708>quick 10 minute seshFor me it's 30-60 minutes, because I'm choosy. In May there was an accident - I fapped several hours and when I came, my left ball is hurt. And it still hurts sometimes.
maybe its controversial but i feel like Gemini actually pulls off the "model has innate personality" well. the little flowery way it does things by default can be fun and a real addition.which is rare cause for gpt is feels cringe and forced.
Which model is best at being a dungeon master? I had the idea of importing a tabletop rpg ruleset into sillytavern and using it as a basis for pony shenanigans, but I need a model that can keep track of stats, encounters, inventories and give you some freedom while also putting limits on what is possible so the rules aren't broken.
gpt/gemini/glm/deepseek/moonshot/qwen/claude/image gen proxyj3wproxy.neocities.orgadded claude opus 4.7
>>43180790Probably Gemini 3.1/2.5 Pro or Sonnet 4.5 (Opus too, but too expensive probably), but Claude could be too positivity-pilled by default as a GM.Below would be GLM 5.1, but not sure it can deal with a lot of mechanics. Even the above will probably struggle a bit.Dunno about GPT. New models should follow mechanics well, but after 5.1, they aren't that fun.
>>43180790Gemini IMO. Claude's alright but it has lied on rolls before. Though now you've got me thinking, if I can make some GoDot scaffolding for a proper little mini-RPG. That'd be cute, just have to think about how it'd be structured.
>>43180539I don't necessarily disagree, y'know, but the trouble is that companies keep deprecating models.The latest generation is super hard to get, two generations ago is kinda hard to get, but it's not true that four generations ago is fairly easy to get, because the four-generations-ago model was deprecated.So really, you'd need an open-source model (current best options are Deepseek, GLM, and maybe a few others).
i do wonder about the inconsistency in the Silly page.i mean some dead providers are red and unavailable, some show no keys when you try to connect, and then Gemini does the whole thing where it jumps from showing 0 models on the page to regular amount (though still no keys).regardless, hopefully its not a big problem.
>>43180812Yeah thats a big part of it. My hope now that as model differences realistically shrink (i.e newer model is like 20% better and not literally 2x) than they stop or relax that stuff.because i really dont understand it. surely it doesnt take such huge space and difficulties having the older model running too? is it to force people to use the newer ones? though they still get a good profit from the older ones, since they usually cost more too.its really strange to deprecate a model a year after release like that.
>>43180842anthropic's obsessed with alignment shitso i assume the reasoning is that older models = less aligned and could be used for evil, therefor, get rid of iti don't think it's entirely a money thing; newer opus is CHEAPER than opus3 and yet...
>>43180851i suppose its the alignment shit.the reason i kept price as a reasoning is because i assume the newer models are cheaper and in turn are cheaper to run. and maybe they are WAY cheaper to run so the margins are still actually better for them.
>>43180842>>43180851>>43180887> surely it doesnt take such huge space and difficulties having the older model running too?https://www.anthropic.com/research/deprecation-updates-opus-3> Ideally, we could keep all models available indefinitely, but the cost to do so scales roughly linearly with each model we serve, so our capacity to do so remains limited.According to Anthropic, yeah, it really *is* tough to run a bunch of models at once.
>>43180895surely they can remove haiku to make opus 3 publickly availableits not like anyone fucking uses haiku anyway
>>43178834Did i just finished the course just as he ran out of claude or am i missing something? (Also whats the easiest rocket jump map on the higher difficulties in your opinion? I might try em out.)
>>431809263pus is almost certainly more expensive to run than H4iku.
>>43180942maybe but even if it is at least itll be a step in the right direction
>>43180842> My hope now that as model differences realistically shrink (i.e newer model is like 20% better and not literally 2x)That's, uh, not gonna happen.
>>43180954AI 2027 means we'll all have Robomares for the brief few years before things really go to shit. Rainbow Dash is gonna help us spear fish and shit
>>43180954to be fair nobody has a clue what is the limit in this technology. this is not really like traditional computer science where most of the old bounds where just physical. sure if you look back 3-4 years the current models are literally like 50x better. but who knows? maybe we'll be stagnant for few years now or maybe by 2030 stuff like opus 4.5 will look like literal unusable garbage the same way we look at gpt3.5interesting times.
>>43180951I'm talking about from their perspective. Keeping 3pus up has no benefits for them.
With the sheer amount of you all who want to RP, I'm surprised you anons haven't made a way to RP *with each-other* when the chatbots aren't available.I'm sure for each canon character, at least *one* of y'all would be good at RPing as them.
>>43181016I think that's called F-Chat, anon.
I'd just like to say that the early release of the Godot VN is a vampire of time. The renpy VN was good but fuck me is this new one such an improvement.
>>43181016Anon that's gay.
>>43181036Only gay if the balls touch.
>>43181016As someone who used to roleplay a lot, most AI usage is far more self-indulgent than actual roleplay is. I've occasionally played the role of storyteller and done the vast majority of the work but it's a lot of effort and most people don't wanna do it. Plus, from the couple of times I've been on the other side of it, it's a very different feeling than interacting with AI.
>>43179782Updated on the website.Tell me if that's good with you, Anon.https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/modsWill do my best to port this version to Godot. Sorry for the wait.
