Why was a lot of the frames in Season 8 and Season 9 looked like absolute shit like pic related? They perfectly had normal pony faces from before and then they make something like this and im sure they had animators from the earlier seasons making this.
>>43242256fell into the same trap of other modern cartoons like spongebob where they feel the need to include a zany face every few seconds because they think it'll become "memeable" or might stick in the minds of their attention deficit child audience for slightly longer
>>43242265Poor fools.You cannot force a meme.It is a combination of timing, edits but also genuinity that makes memes possible.Like pic related for example, it was not planned to be a meme…yet it become ine
>>43242256Didn't bother me too much, still better than calarts slop and at least it was localized to Rarity most of the time who is the most dramatic so it kind of makes sense.
*sigh* I really didn't want to make this post, but you alt-right nazi incels need to be btfo by us once again. These amazing and expressive ponies that the hyper-talented animators and art directors of Season 9 gave to us are a blessing; the genius and high-level technical expertise required to animate Flash characters in such a way demands an incredibly high IQ such as mine. Disagreeing with this sentiment exposes that you are a worthless loser who will never achieve anything while successful and intelligent alpha males like me will lead our fantastic entertainment industry towards a bright, shining future.
>>43242285Unironically a Top 5 Twilight episode.
>>43242285To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand season 9.
>>43242256It was the last season, so they had no reason to produce anything of quality
>>43242256please understandu meme faces
>>43242304I didn't get that sense from them, it just felt like they were trying too hard to go out with a bang. Changing the faces took more work and effort, but there was no reason to change the faces in the first place.
>>43242256>I didn't get that sense from them, it just felt like they were trying too hard to go out with a bang. Changing the faces took more work and effort, but there was no reason to change the faces in the first place.
>>43242304No, you don't get it. Jim hired some animator to do an extra work and make the last season special. He wanted to improve the animation. He genuinely thought it looks better. That's what happens when ignorant incompetent people get to decide anything.
>>43242285I would argue that half of these faces are quite cute and or funny. But the ones that are bad are sooooo bad that it isn't worth it.
>>43242285God damn what an eyesore.
>>43242256>this same thread again
>>43242494>cute and or funny
>>43242491fuck, I didn't know about that
>>43242503I still have to live with the outcome of this series and I will not suffer alone.
>>43242510you faggots have ruined an extremely normal pair of words that naturally pop up together constantly because something that is one is often the other. you are worthless scum that needs to die.
>>43242557>wahhh we can no longer just look up who the pedos are using specific key phrases and ban them
>>43242256
>>43242563>ban themYou can't and won't do shit
>>43242285Is it wrong that I think quite a few of these are actually pretty cute/humorous?
>>43242568Yes.
>>43242256You should try watching season 1 some time.
>>43242256It's full of soul.
>>43242617no it is not
>>43242285>>43242256That is precisely the reason why I don't want to watch the later seasons. I do not want to taint my fond memories with garbage the later season crew shat out.
>>43242617You misspelled shit
>>43242568If i were allowed to individually select several to be in the show, I would. But having to take it as a package deal with the shit is a no deal.
>>43242557Wait cute and funny has some stupid gen z connotation?
>>43242491proof that more effort doesn't always make a better end product
>>43242789I really had to strain to take this morning's shit. Worked my ass off. And all that I got for my effort was a giant shit. So yeah, more effort doesn't mean product better.
>>43242285Bait
>>43242285true
>>43242565aww hell nah they made applebloom ugly
>>43242510fitting that we're in a thread about ugly art, so you post ugly art
>>43242791what did you do with the shit afterwards?>>43242568why can't you use your fucking head like this fag >>43242784
>>43243390You're ugly.
>>43242788Cunny
>>43242565Souless vs soul
>>43242889They were just referencing good ol classics.
>>43242285some of these i'm okay withbut some offend me greatly
>>43243638>classicsYeah, right...
>>43242491>Jim hired some animator to do an extra work and make the last season special. He wanted to improve the animation. He genuinely thought it looks better.You're telling me he looked at that and thought "omg wowzers everyone will love how quirky and memeable it is!"? wow...
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>>43243891Yes. Yes, he did.
Angry Celestia face is a blessing, though.>"ANON, COME HERE RIGHT NOW!"
>>43243923Because it's still a proper muzzle, not detached nose with a flat mouth.
>>43243638Looks like that one Sopranos wojak
>>43242256>Why was a lot of the frames in Season 8 and Season 9 looked like absolute shit like pic related?A series can only be as good as it's direction staff, anon. You can blame Miller and Haber for that.
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>>43242265>where they feel the need to include a zany face every few seconds because they think it'll become "memeable" or might stick in the minds of their attention deficit child audience for slightly longerThe post Faust direction staff really tried too hard to reproduce the memeable faces from season 01 and 02. It never worked, because yeah, you can't force a meme and because the audience can tell when the direction staff is trying too hard to be funny but still fail.
>>43242265Forced memes are worse than dead memes. At least dead memes were funny at one point. Forced memes live in a sad state of trying too hard and never being funny.
>>43243918Probably the worst part of Jim's personality is the fact that he was a dumb, childish, incompetent moron who was fully aware of his own incompetence and yet refused to acknowdeledge it and instead tried to fish for pity and support from kids, so he would never have to face his flaws or even try to improve at all.That's why he ended up the way he did.
>>43242285>>43242256I still can't believe i actually used to defend this shit just because it's "more pony". Like, i really loved this series back in the days, still do at least the first three seasons but i also defended this shit just because i really did love the series, somehow didn't see anything wrong with this. I feel awful.
>>43243975>Like, i really loved this series back in the days,We all loved it, anon. That's why so many of us god to angry over how badly the series got butcheded by every new direction staff who took over it.
>>43243975I used to be like that until S8. But the last two ones were just too shitty to find enough good moments in them. I still kept watching though and suffered for it.
>>43243975>I still can't believe i actually used to defend this shit just because it's "more pony"at least you're not a G% defender
>>43243964I also hated how many defenders he and other fucks who fucked up the series got.>You missed the point of the show's message>You didn't follow the morals and lessons of MLPNigger what? The show writers themselves didn't follow them either, like they didn't even watch the earlier episodes. How are you expected to follow them and take them seriously when the show writers themselves didn't take it seriously?
>>43244001>I also hated how many defenders he and other fucks who fucked up the series got.Mostly autists (for real) who believed that defending shit would male them look important and powerful because they were talking to the show's creators.Remember, autist people only care about themselves and always would do the dumbest things for cloud and that retarded 'internet reputation' they all desperately crave so badly. And if that means defending garbage and simping for people who doesn't know or even care about them, they will make a beeline for it and will never stop making malicious comments or attacking people for clout's sake.
>>43242256Unrelated, but any of you finds this specific kind of smile very……Weird?I’m a newfag and i just ended the first two seasons .Am i the only one who feels something wrong with this kind of smiles (not derpy herself, many ponies even among the Mane 6 do it)? It gives me weird signals, i find it very very wrong and yet i like it.Pretty hard to explain.Is this kind of smile featured in the later seasons too?
>>43244047I've got no problem with your pic. But these ones they started using since S2 always bothered me.
>>43244047Human mouths on ponies look creepy and out of place no matter how loud they are defended.
>>43242256Op's face not just breaks Rarity's face structure, it also breaks her entire character as well.
>>43243923>"WRONG HOLE, ANON!">*tries to pull out>"DID I TELL YOU TO STOP!?"
>>43242297>has a melty over a meaningless Trivia game>literally next episode: "Wow you guys are so stupid for thinking I would ever have a breakdown!!! Haven't you heard of CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT???"
>>43244054I often wonder if the animator who designed that face was also responsible for pic related from LPS, because both shows were animated by DHX and both smiles have an exaggerated ugliness to them.
Back then some people defended this. Not because they believed it looked good, but just to have an excuse to draw attention to themselves and to attack people they personally disliked.
>>43244177>but just to have an excuse to draw attention to themselves and to attack people they personally disliked.That still happens to this day on any thread.
>>43244199To be fair, we also had to deal with disabled people who genuinely couldn't see the difference between the original S01-S02 faces and the forced memefaces that came later.I'm not talking about "Haha autistic hasdrone faggot" but about genuinely autist, genuinely disabled people who genuine facial blindness syndrome.
>>43244047I think that one is fine, it's angular and preserves the snout/muzzle impression. It's wide, but travels along the side of the muzzle, so it's just exaggerated.>>43244054>>43244144>>43242285These have the effect of flattening the face, they remove the impression of the muzzle by passing too smoothly from the front of the muzzle to the cheek. The muzzle is often relegated to a nose snout poking out past a flat mouth.
>>43242265>fell into the same trap of other modern cartoons like spongebob where they feel the need to include a zany face every few seconds because they think it'll become "memeable"This argument is so bad. Cartoons had always made weird faces since forever, watch Ren & Stimpy or some classic Looney Tunes shorts and you'll see the characters doing all sort of stupid faces. Miller said they hired an art director to make season 9 more expressive. It was the last season so they tried to do something different. The issue is not that they are doing wacky faces, the problem is that they don't know how to make them because they miss the point of what makes FiM's expressions appealing. Max Gilardi's parodies, despite being quite vulgar in nature, understood what made the characters nice to look at, and managed to subvert their innocence while retaining the charm.
>>43244177The only decent faces might be this three. The biggest issue I have with the rest of expressions is the mouth. The rest try to keep the characters looking "cute" while also changing the proportions in such a way that makes me look ugly.
>>43242285What level of irony is this?
>>43244484To be honest I hate the "plush" definition on the lips. Way better when they were only defined by the outline.
>>43244484The mouths not only break the snout but the entire head structure as well.Compare it to Apulyak here from S01 e01.
>>43244147does sun butt like taking it up where the light don't shine?
>>43243513You guys think you're so smart and creative. That was just stupid.
>>43243638>tfw even the newborn uglies were cuter than s9
>>43243991G% is unironically better than s8+
>>43244227I dunno. I feel like they were trolling and knew damned well the faces were different.
>>43244594Newfag-kun...
>>43244602Haber openly did not care. On the other hand, Jim was just a moron unfit for the job. If I remember correctly, Larson openly said that working with Jim Miller during S05 was not a pleaseant experience.
>>43244598This. Ponylife is better than season 8-9, far less ugly for one
I just watched All Bottled Up after not seeing it in almost 10 years. And it was just ok. Which is how i would classify s3 trough 7.But something happened in s8. A tonal shift like the show hadn't seen since Faust left. What offscreen staff changes happened to make such a shift?Don't tell me what happened on screen. I saw that for myself. What I'm not aware of is why it happened.
>>43244957Lauren made the characters and knew their soulWhen she left the crew mostly tried to honor who the ponies were.By s8 the staff didn't even watch the show, didn't read the show bible, and didn't care what had come before. So while the crew before them at least tried, they didn't. They phoned it in.
>>43244960Yes but why? Who left, who showed up.I want dates.I want names. Details. Because I've heard that they all ruined it. But that makes no sense. Something went down behind the scenes.
>>43244526Fair enough. It is still better than the others shown. What I dislike the most about s9 expressions is that they are stuck in a limbo between trying to be really cartoony but never fully commiting to the bit. MisterDavey got that, which is why CUPCAKES HD and SMILE HD look as insane as they do.
>>43244974I wish it were a lie, but to me, Mister Davies ponies are cuter.
>>43244578S1 expressions had so much soul. They knew the emotions they wanted to express and they added the right amount of detail to each one of them. The show was very similar to The Powerpuff Girls in how just a few bad lines could destroy an entire composition.
>>43244978I don't disagree there.It is insane as well how he managed to make Fluttershy look cute while getting blasted by what was essentially a spirit bomb.
>>43244789Pony Life is better than season 6-7 as well. I refuse to elaborate.
>>43244960Oh hey something I know about, at least the show bible part. That show bible that got leaked wasnt ever really used at all. Hasbro locked it in their vaults and just never used it. So by the time Lauren left it was entirely up to the staff who knew her personal vision to keep that part of process going. Which they naturally could not. So the fandom Wiki was the primary source for writers for a very long time. During babs and bronycon I asked all the VAs if they had read the show bible, none of them had though. Mist Manes VA found out about it through me, got excited, and requested a copy, Nick Confalone had never read it because hasbro didnt let him, but he had vague knowledge of it. He was also excited to read it and ended up pulling Trevor Devall over to read it with him, who had never seen it either but also had heard of the leaks. Larson knew of it, but informed me none of the staff where allowed to fuck with any of that shit. Yes I absolutely let them all read it, but only Ellie Ray had the guts to actually want a physical copy.
>>43244983>The show was very similar to The Powerpuff Girls in how just a few bad lines could destroy an entire composition.Elaborate?
>>43244996Still doesn't explain how the s7 to s8 massive shift occurred
>>43245004Well I didnt say i was gonna explain that part of it, I just know the show bible lore, daaaaamn zigga.Though I do assume its just cause over time less and less OG staff where around to fight off the likes of Big "Its a show for little girls" Jim, but thats just a guess.
>>43243964When it comes to the later seasons staff, he's the only one I actually feel bad for. He went from a talented storyboarder who worked on many Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes including the well-beloved specials (Boo Haw Haw, Hanky Panky Hullabaloo, Jingle Jingle Jangle) to a total manchild of a supervising director.I hope he finds the way out. Unlike Josh Haber, there was talent inside him at one point.
>>43245008Ok getting warm. So we have big Jim. What year did he have what position? I'm trying to really piece it all together. I've got vague ideas.. Vogel. Haber, Miller, all seem contributors but it's hard to really nail things down because then i hear Haber was the boss from season 6 but then I hear Jim actually was. There's a lot of blame but no one ever comes with facts. "X person was x position from x year until x year"
>>43245015Jim was working on the show since day 1. He was doing reasonably well until he got that prrromotion to animation director that went to his head and made him have a meltdown every time the series was criticrized. Larson implied that working with Jim Miller was not a good experience.
>>43245015You're looking for a single source to hate, but the reality is there are HUNDREDS of people who have a hand in this shit, and none of them can be pinpointed as the specific issue. It literally could have been some random email sent by some executive that none of us would ever know. Or it could have been the culmination of years of various inputs and changes made by those hundreds of people over time. Besides, Nobody who works on the show is going to throw their co-workers under the bus over the fact that some horsefuckers are mad about their television show not being amazing anymore.
>>43245025Mc Carthy also changed the series' focus to Twilight alone and included that infamous Flash Sentry cameo after promising that EQ Girls and MLP would remain separate. This earned her a permanent reputation for being a liar who would promise anything just to look good.
>>43245028Yeah she had a handful of fuck ups I remember discussing with people pretty loudly.One thing that sucks to be a writer of a popular show though is that it doesn't matter if you personally made that choice or not, everyones gonna just assume it was you. Though with McCarthy, I'm fairly certain that cameo would have been her choice. Honestly a show running 9 seasons is gonna run into these kinds of problems, especially something like MLP, which like transformers, is more of a generational show that isnt meant to run for a super long time. Personally I would have liked less of high quality, but I also know how the business works. And it fucking S U C K S
>>43245031less episodes but higher quality*
>>43245015Jim started out as storyboard supervisor and held that position for the first three seasons. On season 4 and the first half of season 5, he became co-director and director respectively. Around the time Thiessen went to work on the 2017 movie, Jim assumed his position on the show as supervising director, which he held all the way until the end of the show.Haber was an writer they hired for season 4, /mlp/ seemed to like him back then considering he got the award for best staff member of 2014.In 2015, he wrote Bloom & Gloom and also The Cutie Re-mark. This episode would be when McCarthy's era finished and Haber started.He became story editor for season 6, he wrote some important episodes including the beginning and finale. During production of season 7 , he went to work on Skylanders Academy and came back for "Daring Done?", writing the finale of the season 7 as well.By season 8, he got promoted to producer but still had active participation as story editor and writer. And season 9 is mostly the same, with him writing the last episode of the show, betraying Meghan's word and proving people right by heavily implying that Twilight will outlive her friends.Vogel's case is mostly nepotism. He was CEO of the development branch at Hasbro Studios, so he likely used his connections to force himself as a writer after he became a fan of the show.
>>43245041Haber also had that retarded idea about retiring the protagonists and replacing them with Starlight Glimmer leading her own group of friends. Equestria Daily, which turned out to be on Hasbro's payroll all along, tried to viralize that idea but eventually hasbro itself had to admit it was a super retarded move and starlight stopped being shillled everywhere.The school of friendship and the students were the remanent of that dumb idea and hasbro didnt even bothered to make toys out of them.
>>43245047Don't remind me of that.Hasbro was obsessed with removing any trace of Faust's existence out of the show. I don't think this was done out of contempt towards her but because of how business executives think about entertainment. The creator is just some guy who gives them a show so they can cut the personality out of it with the intent of making it as marketable as possible.They keep forgetting what John Kricfalusi said on The Ren & Show Seasons Three and a Half-ish DVD:"The big mistake in philosophy in modern animation is that the character is the franchise. It's not the character that it's the franchise, it's a combination of the character, the director and the artists that work on that franchise."
>>43245023What year was the promotion
>>43245025The thing is the same people were there making ok but flawed content for s7 and then s8 is dogshit.The same people. As best I can tell.
>>43245041>Around the time Thiessen went to work on the 2017 movie, Jim assumed his position on the show as supervising director,Ok this is kinda what I'm after. Now what's this position do?
>>43245041>Haber was an writer they hired for season 4,I find Haber to be very inconsistent. But I also feel like he was the primary source of making Equestria "the modern western world except poners" His epilogue reeks of politics in current year. And we went rogue to make it that way.
>>43245041>season 8, he got promoted to producerVery damning. You say "by". Was it in the interim between 7 and 8?
>>43245041>VogelBut when did he show up?
>>43245099>weHe went rogue that is.
>>43245002Simpler character designs have a smaller number of features, so each one of those is more noticeable when it looks off.For example, drawing five parts wrong in a character with a hundred features makes it so only 5% of it looks incorrect. Meanwhile, committing the same amount of mistakes with a character with only ten features makes half of it look wrong.I think this moment in Brain Dump explains it better than I can.https://youtu.be/Q8XsyB1gx8A?t=644
>>43245099To be fair, Haber was never good.His only experience as a writer prior to MLP was in a forgotten Yu Gi Oh knock-off based on a trading card game that was essentially a Magic: The Gathering knock-off, so it's no wonder the show became a knock-off of itself once he got promoted to story editor and essentially show-runner.
>>43243975It's ok anon, some of us just get their before others.
>>43245095I assume it is focused on supervising the animation process during production: Making sure the artists are following the rules, avoid friction between them and their work, approve layouts and drawings, impose dead-lines, etc. I assume he wasn't as directly involved in the show's writing, but he definitely had an important position in regards to making the show as visually appealing as it can. The show became a bore to watch after season 5, I felt that it was taking less risks compared to when they were experimenting with unique things like stop-motion and live action.When discussing the show's decline, many people exclusively focus on the writing. They ignore something that it is just as important:Friendship is Magic was a cartoon, and a really good one at it.
>>43245025>but the reality is there are HUNDREDS of people who have a hand in this shitHundreds is an exaggeration but you're right that there wasn't A person that ruined the show. It was an avalanche of bad decisions, tragic events and accidents which lead to Friendship is Magic ending as a carcass of itself. Yet I still believe there's a general idea of main and secondary culprits when it comes to this issues.Haber, Vogel, Dubuc and Miller would be the lead responsibles based on their stupidity and/or a lack of talent, Hasbro would be second by forcing stupid changes and demanding crap like EQG or Fame and Misfortune to be made, and McCarthy might be third due to negligence when it came to training the new recruits.
>>43245087Probably Q3 of 2014 based on the movie's announcement.
>>43245101He started getting credited as producer as soon as the first episode of season 8.
>>43245181Ok then why did the animation not slide for years?
>>43245183Ok. Between that and him being the writer of The Last Problem, he is guilty as charged.
>>43242256It is controversial and a bit jarring but I infact thought the expressive ponies were funny and cute
>>43244996>Confalone had never read it because hasbro didnt let himNo matter how many years go by, somehow I keep finding new reasons to hate Hasbro more.
>>43244992>season 6-7Six... SEVEN?!
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>>43245375here's your cookie for this attempt
>>43245231>the expressive ponies were funny and cuteThey look bad...
>>43242256I don't have the screen handy but someone on twitter (what a weak source) stated something along the lines of "as time goes, the pupets are long complete and mastered, so some took extra time to try to match the storyboard as close as possible".Which, in my opinion, is a mistake.The storyboard has to exaggerate to conveil the expression in a single frame.And thus can (and will) break the character sheet purposefully.Amateurs.>>43243918Fucking piece of shit, why I'm not surprised at this!?It was okay (sometimes good even) when he managed one episode, but the whole series? He was never build for that.
>>43245916Jim was popular among Hasbro execs because he was a obedient toadie willing to defend even the dumbest ideas.
>>43245211The animation definitely slided in season 6, but most people can't tell the difference. It became much more noticeable after season 8 when they hired that women I forgot her name.
>>43245375That gen alpha meme only confirmed the fear some of us had of what the web would become once it became infested by younger generations with no idea of how the internet used to.
How the fuck did they try to replace the mane 6 THREE times? And failed to let any replacement stick. Let alone produce toys of any of them.
