Paul Hindemith editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8BuCVBOW0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NZS9DrY4Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo5CMqNEDUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoIPU5bY0kUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWcXVMheFh0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_YrDOH9ECghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyQH8inhH0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgW0wF96Echttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-dbA56Dl4shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntj3YQdzRachttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j1-sy1Q7T4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Iwqb5NxQMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGPIGMeEObAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDBxrMrBgwThis thread is for the pseudo-intellectual discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>127475534
You'll get your fucking Debussy general next time, idiot
Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives
>>127489814a.k.a. common practice
>>127489814>>127489833Hmmm, no... It's more "everything that's ever done, except Ives", right? I'm fine with that
>>127489843>ever doneever been* done
so, how about that Kreps fellow?https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=guSD3sGxFLkto be fair I didn't know he was a composer, I thought he was in biochemistry
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>Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives
brb going for some tobacco
>not listening to the court of Louis XIV>going a single day without hearing Viola Da Gamba>No St. Colombe>Liking Mozart
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAP>BRAAAAAAAAAP
Welcome to the general, trannyspammer! Hindemith is very much Ives-and-after so I'm sure you'll have plenty of wonderful music to check out!
Remember, not all Romantic composers are bad, but all bad composers do tend to be RomanticExcept Classical, every Classical composer is bad.Below are acceptable RomanticsLiszt(late)Any of the Russian FiveGriegFranckTarregaAlkanJohn FieldChabrier
>>127490023Hindemith is awful, maybe after my bowel movement is more fitting
>>127490037ok Mozart
>>127490042Even worse, if your going to suggest some after 1750 music maybe start with certain Beethoven pieces or John Field
>>127490037>Hindemith is awfulYou haven't listened to a single note
>>127489833common practice is Pachelbel and after, Reger and before. (PAA RAB)
>>127490063A single note of his is worse than anything you think I listen to is awful
>>127490056I was going along with the spammer's mofart joke. In your case, why not some Rode or Dussek?
is there anything more comfy than going to sleep while listening to Sibelius?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVo4ORl4wa8&list=OLAK5uy_lRiVno7ZFDDAzCWRA8If-Q0NwRZRLflhc&index=28
>>127490074your incommensurable loss but suit yourself I guess, spammer
>>127490086I agree with the sentiment, but not sure THAT's the symphony I'd choose for that. 3, 4, 6, 7, even Tapiola
>>127490098Fair point. I would counter with in that Maazel/Pittsburgh cycle, all of the symphonies are soporific :p in a good way, of course
STOP, YOU VIOLATED THE LAWPAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE PLEBOR LET US KNOW WHAT MUSICAL TRANSGRESSIONS YOU HAVE COMMITED AGAINST THE PATRICIAN FOLK OF /CLASSICAL/ SUCH AS CLT, TALLIS, AND CELEBESName them anons, what shameful classical pieces have you been listening to?
>>127490111There is no guilt, there is no shame
>>127490089No thanks, he looks like a 12 tone composer and I'm just not having it, a typical sexless Germanic.
%C\\\\\>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>>127490146Shostakovich isn't after Ives?
>>127490126>looks like a 12 tone composertell me you know shit about Hindemith without telling me you know shit about him. There's plenty to choose from, even after I had to get rid of a bunch of links to make the thread. Go on. Listen to Kammermusik 7, or the op 49, or the two concertos, or the three symphonies I posted. No serialism, no atonality, no 12-tone shenanigans. Pure, tonal, almost baroque expression fitted to its day instead of being a frigid neoclassical imitation of an idealised past such as Stravinsky post-1920. Short works by and large, you've got nothing to lose except trash opinions on something wonderful you just admitted to not knowing anything about.
>>127490157He is after Ives, but he is also shit. A neurotic cuck loving jewhow has no place among the greats like Stravinsky, Bartok, ives, Debussy or Scriabin
PAAAARABABhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QgOBbKl0eYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5qeuVOIbHkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRMXWj1pkjchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRPYNCTb9Ao
>>127490157you can't expect consistency from spamming schizos, anon
>>127490163>tell me you know shit about Hindemith without telling me you know shit about him.using a Zoomer meme automatically discards your post, I love the fact that you spam as I do, but please refrain from being a faggot.
>>127490163damn, owned
>>127490171There is a platonic consistency to my posting, but not a post-modern one.
>>127490179follow your own advice, cock sucker.
>>127490192platonism in 2025 is a clear sign of schizophrenia
NO MOZARTNO CHOPINNO MAHLERALL ROMANTICS SCRAM!ALL CLASSICISTS EAT SHIT AND DIETHIS THREAD IS FOR MARIN MARAIS!SONATA FORM SHOULD DIEONLY CONCERTO GROSSO FOR I!HAYDN IS LIKE A ROTTEN WHEATWHAT I NEED IS A BACH CELLO SUITEBACH AND BEFORE, IVES AND AFTER
>>127490202real schizophrenics have moved on to esoteric Kantianism.
>>127490193Please kill yourself>>127490202Don't you have Palestinian Children to kill Moishe?
currently listening tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR-X9tyaCM8
>>127490075Nope, If it ain't Bach or Louis XIV court it ain't worth listening to
>>127490244The one with Tortellier is better, anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWAF0ve88Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wAVEiXD8khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hjxN-bvvgg
>>127490276I just wanted to post a live performance
>>127490293oh, s'all good
>>127490167Agreed, and he was also better than Ives so you can imagine
Hello Friends I am the BABIAA spammer announcing that I am going to bedI love you all and everything I do is in jest. I don't hate Mozart, I don't Chopin, nor do I hate Wagner, but I do hate Mahler.I hope you have a wonderful night, and if the next general is a Debussy thread and one you quotes my spam with trips or dubs I will show a picture of my cock
>>127490338no one cares about you
>>127490330Nope, not at all. Ives is better than all>>127490345but you care enough to quote my post
>>127490345Sent that freak flying.
even Copland was better than Ives, and Copland is bland shit
>>127490338PAARAB >>>>>> BABIAAsimple as.
>>127490365shhh let the boy sleep
Should it be a Mahler, Bruckner or Brahms day today?
Who let the goyper in?
>>127490395Today we should have a Hindemith day. Go ahead, there's plenty to enjoy.
>>127490395indubitably.
W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8
>>127490435don't post gore videos.
>>127490395Can't go wrong with any of them. Perhaps Bruckner.
>>127490465Bruckner is the greatest among them.
>>127490406No thanks.>>127490465Let it be a Bruckner day then.
>>127490465>>127490473>>127490485>incels
>>127490485Such a good, smooth, lyrical 7th.
>>127490473Brahms is actually. Not even arguable.
>>127490606Bruckner's harmony and counterpoint is better than Brahms. It's not even arguable.
>>127490651Brahms 2nd piano concerto > Brahms chamber music > everything by Bruckner and Mahler combined
>>127490759>Brahms 2nd piano concertomy lad
>>127490759disproven by Mahler's 2nd.
>>127490759I love, love, love Brahms but he would fall to his knees and weep if he heard Mahler 6 or 8 or 9.
>>127490848Proof?
>>127490856I spoke to Johannes during my last meth psychosis.
feels like a DLvdE nighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTBq5CqW2eQ&list=OLAK5uy_lR2brwn1dUPXH8o2f7mmp7lx5EC42RV-E&index=1
>>127490863Did he ever see Mahler 2? I guess that was the last that premiered before his death.
>>127490948>It may have been that July when Gustav Mahler, recently through Brahms’s influence appointed to the Vienna Hofoper, made a visit to Ischl that lives in legend—because of a quip, but one that said much about the divide between Brahms’s generation and the next. As they walked along the River Traun, Brahms was singing his familiar refrain: music was going to the devil, after he was dead it would be finished once and for all. Suddenly Mahler took Brahms’s arm and gestured excitedly toward the river, exclaiming, “Look, Doktor, just look!”>“What is it?” Brahms said, taking the bait.>“Don’t you see?” said Mahler. “There goes the last wave!”>Maybe that got a cheerless chuckle from Brahms. He said only, “That’s all very fine, but maybe what matters is whether the wave goes into the sea or into a swamp.” By then, with his usual meticulous care he had studied the score of Mahler’s Second Symphony. That work, with its glowing instrumentation and grandiose Brahmsian close, perhaps intrigued him at the same time as it made him shudder. Yet the second movement, the scherzo with its juxtaposition of the ecstatic and grotesque, Brahms declared a work of genius—a term he did not use lightly. But he also said, “I used to think Richard Strauss was the Chief of the Insurrectionists, but now I see it’s Mahler.”>As Mahler left from that last visit to Ischl, he glanced through the window to have one more look at Brahms. He saw the old man wearily taking a sausage and a slice of bread from the stove for his lunch. It all comes to this, Mahler thought.---- Johannes Brahms A BIOGRAPHY By JAN SWAFFORD
>>127490997>music was going to the devil, after he was dead it would be finished once and for all.He was right.
>>127491009>He was right.Suddenly Mahler took Brahms’s arm and gestured excitedly toward the river, exclaiming, “Look, Doktor, just look!”“What is it?” Brahms said, taking the bait.“Don’t you see?” said Mahler. “There goes the last wave!”
Since I'm Asian, it'd be funny if I started pretending I fond Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde an offensive display of cultural appropriation, if not an outright ignorant mockery.
>>127491056stop using a computer. It's cultural appropriation
>>127491065It's okay when we do it
>>127491065>>127491086There's nothing more Asian than stealing tech
essential Hindemith works to start with?
>>127491093touché
>>127491098Start with the orchestral pieces Blomstedt recorded and the piano sonatas
>>127491016There's good music made today. I like Arvo Pärt and Agalloch. But our society is fundamentally sick, and the art we produce is by and large a result of this sickness. There's no flourishing of art, there is no great spring out of which a million artists bloom. All of the good art is either isolated, depressive, or derivative. It's smaller in essence than the great art of the past. It's art of contraction rather than of growth, and it's few and far between. Even the "explosion" of new musical forms in the mid-to-late 20th century was fundamentally shallow, it was the energy of burning your great cathedrals. Good to satisfy you, but it burned itself out almost immediately. I feel a great sense of despair to live in this fractured age, where we tore apart our bonds for entertainment. The only way to produce art here is to wallow in the misery or to start from scratch. The West has truly fallen.
>>127491122true but girls are hotter than ever and we've got top-grade pharmaceutical SSRIs and narcotics, so it was all worth it
>>127491161>girls are hotter than everI wish>top-grade pharmaceutical SSRIs and narcotics,The simulacra are not sufficient. I yearn for the real, and I'll bet you do too. Alas, it eludes us. The bonds have been evaporated.
>>127491206I do but then I take my daily meds when I wake up and it drops my IQ by 20 points and I feel placated and happy the rest of the day
Barenboim!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XrSag4XagE&list=OLAK5uy_koS0FGWy3u0CEMe1Jfhe-0OVQIN10d6gA&index=5
>>127491314>IT'S SO QUIET IN MY BRAIN NOW!!!WAKE UP ANON """ THEY""" ARE KILLING US.
>>127491345*yawn* i just took some meds to sleep, I'll revolt with you tomorrow, I promise *snooze*
>>127491351NOO ANON NOO WE NEED YOU
>>127490848It's hard to say. Brahms taste was a bit strange.>>127491122>There's good music made today.I disagree.>But our society is fundamentally sick, and the art we produce is by and large a result of this sickness. Based and Dutton pilled. Modern society is significantly less intelligent relative to society of 19th century. (Not) surprisingly, we had the highest amount of geniuses during that era. And not just in art, but science, math, philosophy
>>127491853>I'm not part of high society therefore Dutton is right. The west has fallen and billions must die.touch grass, pleb.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1755930876654797.webm
>>127492073>I am clueless and I have no idea what I'm talking about but I have to be an ass on 4chan because why not
>>127492281not an argument.
>>127492287Your "argument" was a literal logical fallacy. Two of them in fact. You are not very bright.
>>127492415fallacy fallacy.
>>127490086Actually sleeping while Sibelius is played
>>127492455the only correct response.
>>127490074You only hate him because he didn't leave Nazi Germany, Moshe.
>>127492442>uhh I'm actually just lazy to argueYour concession is accepted.
>>127492496whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>127490997Brahms had a good eye indeed. The Scherzo is easily the best part of the 2nd symphony by a considerable margin.
>>127492516You're terrible at trolling, turkanon.
>>127490997These biographies should be taken with a grain of salt.
>>127490997I wonder how these people would handle seeing Sexyred for example -would they just die of a rage seizure on the spot?
>>127489994 Be thankful you don’t live in the UK- American Spirit 30g now costs £28
All repeats are to be skipped, there is no counterargument to this
>>127493360based.
>>127493360>>127493371Give a singular written account of repeats being considered okay to skip in sonata period pieces from the classical period. It's a simple question you have not been able to answer even a single time
>>127493386they were perfectly okay with playing single movements out of context while the audience were playing cards, eating and drinking, burping, hissing and hollering. do you really believe 18th-century viennese were neurotic about repeats? lmfao.
>>127491122I think you are slightly exaggerating. The main issue is the gatekeeping of academia leading to people of a very specific type (pretentious faggots) to become composers who make severely unpleasant music and the fact that composers have less creative avenues to stretch their wings like composers did when Opera which allowed vast stretches of musical thought was the most popular medium. If they compose for films, they are forced to make more textural music as that's what's in vogue for film music and orchestral scores are not as common unless it's a existing franchise. If they compose for videogames, they have to generally make simplistic loops inspired by popular forms of music and have little ability to write more creative works. As far as concert music goes, it's no longer feasible to make any money with a new instrumental work specifically because of the clique around contemporary music and how tied it is to academia. Which also leads people to be weary of new music and prefer to stick to the established classics. Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQZLYqdxUY
>>127493465>they were perfectly okay with playing single movements out of context while the audience were playing cards, eating and drinking, burping, hissing and hollering. give a source.>do you really believe 18th-century viennese were neurotic about repeats? lmfao.it's not like people perform pop music with no repeat of the verse and the chorus and skip straight to the bridge in the modern day. this argument does not hold water
>>127493486>give a sourceare you joking? read at least one mozart biography. make an effort.
>>127493505omitcel failed to answer a simple question again reward
>>127493513you have never read a book on classical music in your life, i'm not going to bother with you.
>>127493529>>127493505omitcel committing burden of proof and proof by assertion fallacies award
>>127479854all 30m+ long symphonies reccs welcome.>>done>Louis Spohr - Symphony No.4 "Die Weihe Der Töne">Franz Berwald - Symphony No.2 in D-major "Sinfonie capricieuse" (1842)>Symphony No.3 in D major - Alexander Glazunov>Symphony No.60 "To the Appalachian Mountains" - Alan Hovhanessi appreciated that one woodwind/harp duet section.>>backlog>Mendelssohn: Symphony No. 2 in B-flat major, Op. 52 "Lobgesang" (with Score)>Bach - Mass in B minor, BWV 232 / Remastered (Century's recording: Hermann Scherchen)>Sorabji: Sequentia Cyclica>>progressstarting Kings 1David is about to die, but not before having a virgin recruited to "Casca" him first.>>2¢'sthis thread is more insufferable than usual, given the last few threads.can't find any non-Hindeshit symphonies so i guess i'll have to backtrack to pre-spammer /classical/.also, thanks for the reccs all this time, sisterposter. i enjoyed them a lot.
>>127491122The west has fallen because they aren’t making cello music anymore?
>>127492479Nope I hate him because he sucks, But if he didn't level Nazi Germany then that means he's pretty based.
>Up next is mozFart stinky dinky symphony no. 39 in E flatulence followed by Braaaaaap Concerto in P(ee) minorDo Mozfart listeners really?
Mozart gives me the ick,As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Dvorak, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Webern, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Clementi, and SibeliusThat is all
>>127493748Al slop undermines whatever point you wanted to make
>>127493764You’re a Ravel fan
>>127493766>Al slop undermines whatever point you wanted to make
>>127493783Nice selfie Sanjeet
>>127493775That as well Bach, Marais, Josquin, and Stravinsky
>>127493794>Nice selfie Sanjeet
>>127493859Please refer back to this post >>127493794
>t.
>>127493870>Please refer back to this post
WTF brahms 3 is great. I always thought it was the worst brahms symphony but Bruno Walter's recording changed my mind
>>127491098I'd say the kammermusik series. My favourite recording is pic related. Then, depending on your personal inclinations, you should either go for the several sonatas for solo instruments or instrument+piano or his symphonies, particularly Mathis and Harmonie. There are several ways you can go, though
>>127492479>he didn't leave Nazi Germanyhe left before the war started
>>127492952>Be thankful you don’t live in the UKAlways
>>127493470maho more like my whore
>>127493997>I always thought it was the worst brahms symphonywtf
>>127493766https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1755930876654797.webm
>>127494135>Uhh you don't get to bring an ensemble
>>127494074>the several sonatas for solo instruments or instrument+pianoI should say, when it comes to his sonatas for instruments and piano you really can't go wrong with the Ensemble Villa Musica (they also recorded the piano sonatas, but I prefer Siegfried Mauser for all his piano solo stuff)
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
>>127494292>>Buxtehudebixnood
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
>Classicishit Concerto avg time - 15-20 minutes>Romantislop Concerto avg time - 20-30 minutes>Chad Baroque concerto avg time - 10-15 mintuesYou know which way lads, Plato will guide you.
>>127491098a few concertos for your consideration
Yep its looking like a Vivaldi day. Celebrating the end of summer with the Summer concerto and his Viola Da gamba concertos as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muowVV_ITKchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G319y7bXqRAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3Kxf7ZTeI
>>127494372longer pieces are objectively better, making a grand statement is an artistic neccesity
Dvorakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeZmCQIZelk&list=OLAK5uy_kjJRaCJGo44tyH12adOOUccacL91aEvng&index=6
>>127494454It's not the size, it's how you use it
>>127494454>t. neurotic>>127494475>t. goonerBut he gets the point
>>127494475what matters is having a good fingering and tonguing technique>>127494489t. pointless spammer with no joy in its life
I've been pondering about whether I should learn how to play the piano or learn how to play tennis. Convince that your hobby is more worthwhile.
>>127494502My hobby is reading
>>127494502>Convince that your hobby is more worthwhile1. Reading2. Masturbation3. Wine
>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix it>I dumped her because she BAROQUED my heart>I had to go to the doctor because I BAROQUED my leg in a gondola accident>I would go to the concerto with you, but I'm BAROQUE>The Baroque BAROQUED the Renaissance mold
>>127494498>t. nervous soul who can't function in society because of years of listening to pathos laden music that has affected his spiritual and emotional stateMay i provide you a prescription?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzw8gtqsvDM
>>127491853>Modern society is significantly less intelligent relative to society of 19th century. (Not) surprisingly, we had the highest amount of geniuses during that era. And not just in art, but science, math, philosophyVery true. I'm doubtful that it's a function of pure intelligence but I think it's culture.
>>127494593you can kill yourself, certainly
>>127494562>If it ain't BAROQUE, don't fix itthat would mean that it needs to be fixed if it is indeed baroque
>>127492073"High society" is not a thing anymore. Our modern judeo-capitalist manufactured elites have no artistic taste. They either mindlessly listen to old classical because it's established and they think it comes off as intellectual or they listen to pop slop low art.
>>127494292>Slavic>soulHeh
>>127493807>Bach,
anyone else doing #NoDeadPerformers2025 ? Time to let those old recordings gather dust and listen to what those conductors and musicians who are still alive have to say about the great music we all love.
>>127494626>Modern society is significantly less intelligent relative to society of 19th centurysource?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
>>127494640You are right, because the Baroque fixes everything
>>127494502Both.
>>127493686You don't get it, we are a spent culture.
>>127494669that makes no sense>>127494671>weyou, maybe
>>127491122>>127493686the west has fallen because i can't coom
last I checked the west was still very much there, to the west
>>127494662>Teasdale and Owen (1989), for example, found the effect primarily reduced the number of low-end scores, resulting in an increased number of moderately high scores, with no increase in very high scores.>Some studies have found a reverse Flynn effect with declining scores for those with high IQ.Maybe read the page you link before trying to "own" me?
>>127494633>the hyper emotional Romantic responds exactly how I expected him to be reactYou're gonna need a double dosagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyGlFisv7Nghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc1BxtF-Wq4
>>127491122>I like Arvo Pärt and Agallochopinions thoroughly discarded and post hidden
>>127493470But where is the modern day high art? The best you'll typically get is fantano-core psuedo-intellectual drivel. Where are the people who otherwise would be great composers?
>>127494690Sure, my counterargument was bad because I was being lazyNow, source on yours?
>>127494706>Where are the people who otherwise would be great composers?In other genresAnimal Collective is today's art music
>>127494677>If its Baroque, it fixes itSimple as brother
>>127494710Anon... The study is literally named right there.
>>127494706hiding from the likes of you
>>127489721Yo i dont normally post here but this picture goes hard afWhat dis nigga play
>>127494718I mean source on >Modern society is significantly less intelligent relative to society of 19th centuryWhere are the studies
>>127494677>you, maybeIf you don't see the decline then you're coping and in denial.
>>127494722all the info you need is in the post you are quoting
feels like a day to finally revisit Sinopoli's Mahler :3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue-LZ_PXvzs&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qLlorgrrO8&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSjrC608Bqs&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrp6Axvo3II&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLS3pT-qVXg&list=OLAK5uy_mvlduGGorzUCmKqVlC6nx4uvIjPM9XCLM&index=30the set begins with a three-movement version of the cantata Das klagende Lied. I always thought Sinopoli looks like a blend of Spielberg and Kubrick on this cover, lol
>>127494731I don't think that the people are less intelligent, I think that the society is more hostile to innovations coming from intelligent people. There's not an study I can provide to show that. But I think if you look at our culture it's clear.
>THESE ARE THE WORST TIMES, THE END TIMES>CIVILISATION IS DOOMED, CULTURE IS DEAD>WE HAVE NEVER BEEN DUMBER AND WE WILL NEVER RECOVER>BAAAAAAAAAD THINGS BAAAAAAAAAD, BAAAAAAAADt. every fucking whiny crybaby who's scared his privileged place in society is in danger every fucking generation since the dawn of civilisation
>>127494720Post something that's as great as Bach or Beethoven or Mahler then.
>>127494768>society is more hostile to innovations coming from intelligent peoplesource>There's not an study I can provide to show that.oh ok so it's just baseless, emotional opinion also true ESL hours
>>127494781Terminal reddit brain
>>127494699What's wrong with Arvo Pärt?
>>127494712>Animal Collective is today's art musicWell then it shows how far we've fallen.
>>127494794I gracefully accept your concession, ESLite
Before and not including Bach
>>127494805Other than being le minimalisum plink plonk lowbrow pop music for midwits who want to feel sophisticated, you mean? Not much, I guess.
now playing, trying out more of Hewitt's Beethovenstart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 17 in D Minor, Op. 31 No. 2 "Tempest"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4jpwJRtLOA&list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4&index=2start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 13 in E-Flat Major, Op. 27 No. 1 "Quasi una fantasia"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuRA-S5wTw&list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4&index=5start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 25 in G Major, Op. 79 "Cuckoo"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn0aqSU63io&list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4&index=9start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 30 in E Major, Op. 109https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxdNPP82DOk&list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4&index=11https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mlC1EHrTiMb7LN4cY06NmAEDYVD_8kyx4While having the sonatas divided between these volumes outside of chronological order can make it annoying if you're trying to find a specific piece to listen to, it does, as the performers who do this kind of thing often state, have the benefit of freeing the music from its usual and familiar contexts, and allowing each piano sonata to be enjoyed on its own terms. For example, sometimes when listening to a complete set with chronological order, any trio of piano sonatas can often blend together, becoming formally conflated and influencing each other emotionally -- the 7th and 9th become tied up with the 8th, Pathetique, for example. But when split this way, they become disassociated from those contexts, allowing each to shine and heard the in new lights -- the 13th is no longer "the one before Moonlight," it's now it's own distinctive, singular masterpiece. Anyway, hope it's good!
ITT: Sunset Of The Afternoonland: the anime adaptationNOT ITT: Music discussion
>>127494851>Simple is... LE BAD!
hit 'em with the Hewitt
>>127494890k
>>127493997People usually play it too slow and without the necessary fire. Bruno Walter's is one of the few recordings that plays it with the energy needed You should hear his earlier NY recording too, it's in mono but it's even crazier. Also worth hearing Steinberg, Jochum (both of them), and Beinum.
>>127493888See that picture? That's you that is
>>127494961I'm a big fan of Chailly's recent-ish cycle with the Gewandhausorchesterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4KpBTR40z4
>>127494502My hobby is fat shaming people in public swimming pools
>>127494987a.k.a. crying at your reflection in the water
>>127494980love Chailly but >HIP-adjacent Brahms;o
>>127494980>recent >2013Such is the life of a classical fan
>>127494980>>127495016His recordings of the piano concertos with Nelson Freire are bomb though, and easily in the top-tier of all recordings of them, which is no easy or small feat.
>>127494626>>127494662>>127494690>>127494710 >Why was the greatest art in history of western civilization produced between 17th and 19th centuries?>why are we incapable of producing great music anymore?>why are we flocking to memes like serialism instead of "innovating"?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSQFKrbFZp0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnSfiglhMTEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfXkr1YheXkhttps://books.google.nl/books/about/At_Our_Wits_End.html?id=lnaFDwAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y All the sources are spoonfed and shoved down your throat only for you to puke it out in act of hotheaded stubbornness. Yes, general intelligence is declining, the same intelligence that IQ measures. Even Flynn realized the IQ is actually on decline. Not everything is as it seems.
>>127495016>HIP-adjacentwh
>>127495025Hey! They did say 'recent-ish,' which I think can be appropriately and accurately applied to anything released after, say... 2010? So don't hate or even tease!
>>127494980He's been infected but he's trying to hide it from the rest of the crew
>>127495025wdhmbt
>>127495030I'm sorry, I'm too contemporary (that is, dumb) to follow any of this. Can you explain it here for us with your big brain so that I don't have to go through cringe YT videos and google books with three-page previews? I mean surely you've read it and watched the videos and can summarise in a concise and learned manner
>>127495030Dutton is just so insane that I could never stomach listening to him for very long. But IIRC the IQ decline only began recently, and I'm not sure how well-evidenced it is in white populations. You'd probably know better than I.
>>127495068>You'd probably know better than I.you're too kind
>>127495075You seem autistically focused on this
>>127495030>google flynn effect to see the trends>"In certain cases, this apparent reversal may be due to cultural changes rendering parts of intelligence tests obsolete."topkek>we're no longer getting the results we want, so now the tests, which were great and useful before when it exhibited the Flynn Effect, are obsolete and biased, if not outright discriminatory of other culturessuch is the world in 2025
>>127495089Who am I
>>127495096An Ed Dutton fan evidently
>>127495065>>127495068Just watch the first 40 seconds of the first video linked for an accurate descriptions of your character and behavior.>quick summaryThe video is *10 minutes* long. It is explained as plainly and simply as humanly possible. If your tiktok mind cannot handle that, it's not my problem. Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcQmUSd__pI>>127495093Read the book, simpleton.
>>127495103literally who
>>127495113A dissident right microcelebrity
>>127495105>I refuse to explain because I don't know myselfk
>>127495105So you can't summarise it then?
>>127494971>See that picture? That's you that is
Obsessing over Beethoven's complete piano sonata cycle this past month or so after becoming distant to them for years has been one of the most rewarding musical listening experiences I've ever had. I highly recommend it to everyone here: spend the next month exploring various sets by different performers and becoming deeply familiar with each of Beethoven's thirty-two piano sonatas, each a masterpiece in their own right.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmrX1xO1ms
>>127494462Dvorak Souls
>>127495105>Read the book, simpleton.?I was agreeing with you!
>>127495136a bottomless pit to fit a limitless mind
>>127495153Don't bother with schizos
>>127495157more like a limitless pit to a bottomless mind, hey-o!
>>127495141Thank you Portland sister
>>127495124>>127495126Why would I bother when there's a video and a book, do tell me. It appears you're trolling and not actively trying to look at the evidence. I have no reason to engage with such people. Once you're done watching the video, you can voice your doubts and then I may engage in the discussion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44JnN-tJgY>>127495153My apologies. Still, you have little context of what you're trying to say.
>>127495166That's the same thing
>>127495157>a bottomless pit to fit a limitless mind
>>127495172Oh! Uh, that's not me -- best city in the world though :)
>>127495188A long neck to fit a long mind
>>127495185>Why would I botherthought as much
>>127495211>A long neck to fit a long mind
>>127495216I can copy paste the video transcription, or from the book, flooding the thread with what is a link away in the first place, would that be helpful? Thought so.
>>127495197Maybe they're from Portland too? You think you're the only person in Portland?
>>127495229A long neck for a long Mundi
The good news is that generally when I'm shilling a composer I end up making a general with him as the edition and then I feel content enough and fuck off for a few months until the next time I'm enthusiastic about a particular composer. Anyway, have some more Hindemith while it lastshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgrhL0z6ZEkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpussBdoS2whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HRBS1lQy7Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1diq5bem0whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jitbwlX0_dshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpHZkiZHOSMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLXVWmTDw7Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5EoRR3-YRchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXbq1G3imYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLhPcpK4sEUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbEMI1gCnQk>>127479854>Paul Hindemith - String Quartet No. 4, Op. 22 [With score]Somehow I missed this. Whadda think of it?
>>127495257>A long neck for a long Mundi
>>127495315i can't coom, therefore the west has fallen
>>127495315What's the point of this post
>>127495341how do you feel
>>127495315If this is a reference to Ed., you couldn't be further from the truth. Eh, why do I even bother.
>>127495358to who
>>127495351If you can't see the reality of western decline then you're just willfully ignorant
>>127495358>why do I even botheryer right, you SHOULD kill yersel
>>127495375Correct.
>>127494980I like that performance too, although I feel like it's lacking a bit in body (bass resonance) and I'm a little annoyed at how the engineers applied dynamic compression to it.
>>127495375that's not what I asked
Every time I listen to this genius, I find hidden contrapuntal melodies in Chopin's music that nobody else could truly bring it out. Even in waltzes, let alone ballades. Let's try his polonaise-fantaisie, an overlooked masterpiece.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEdLKdhKqxY
now playingstart of Smetana: String Quartet No. 1 in E Minor, JB 1:105 "From My Life"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzKj5s9CJoQ&list=OLAK5uy_moXCq3jtoFdev5k78v588bkC29ssEp0Pw&index=2start of Janáček: String Quartet No. 1 "Kreutzer Sonata", JW VII/8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFRy6RwU3U&list=OLAK5uy_moXCq3jtoFdev5k78v588bkC29ssEp0Pw&index=6start of Janáček: String Quartet No. 2, JW VII/13 "Intimate Letters"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnVqEe71Bec&list=OLAK5uy_moXCq3jtoFdev5k78v588bkC29ssEp0Pw&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_moXCq3jtoFdev5k78v588bkC29ssEp0Pw
I feel as if no one but Chopin, his students, and his students' students could truly understand the full scope of Chopin's genius. Sad.
It is a good thing that the west has fallen. The weak SHOULD die.
>>127495490Ironically the weak don't die anymore, which is why the 'west has fallen' (and not just the west).
>>127495507If they don't die, they are by definition the strong ones. Cope harder, dying weakling.
>>127495490I ultimately agree. We were the first to dive into modernity and as such we're the first to suffer its consequences. The Europeans that survive will be hyper-competent, civilized yet brutal, and organized. How long this process takes is yet to be decided.
>>127495443That good, huh? Guess I'll add that Sony set and give it a try, and some of his other Chopin (saw he has a 19 Waltzes). Maybe some of his Schumann too.
>>127495521>yet to be decidedfive years
>>127495490>t. indian or chinese bugman
>>127495518>they are by definition the strong ones. Which definition of strong supports your claim?
>>127495536I hope so. From the political polling on white male zoomers the future looks promising.
>>127495552>Which definition of strong"survives"
>>127495555>voting for gutting medicaid, medicare, welfare, food stamps, and other government assistance that's standard in other first world countries is promisingdire times
>>127495547Enjoy your last measly years on this earth, weakling
>>127495575Hah! knew it. Call me saar
>>127495526Yes, his handling of the inner voices is masterful. Listen to this fragment of op.64 no.2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuWVH314WJo>>127495563Your concession is accepted.
>>127495573>dire timesfor inferior life forms, maybe
>>127495589you support that + tax cuts for billionaires? yikes
>>127495521>How long this process takes is yet to be decided.As much time it took from the decline of Roman Empire to the beginning of the renaissance. Yep.
>>127495586I'll call you extinct in five years>>127495599I support whatever leads to your suffering and eventual death
>>127495573We cannot as a country afford all of that. Young white men do not need it at all, the old, poor, and brown do. We need deportations to make our quality of life better. We're just voting for our group's collective interests.
>>127495610Nah, things happen exponentially faster now
What's Wand's best Bruckner 4 recording? Munchner? NDR? Berlin Phil? Cologne?The Cologne one has a first movement of 17:27! the rest are a much more typical ~19-20
>>127495610I wouldn't be so sure, the incredible progress in technology since then has made everything move orders of magnitude faster.
>>127495624So poor white people should just go fuck themselves and suffer and die? Some race/national solidarity.
>>127495610>>127495637June 2030; mark your calendars
>>127495643Even working class (young) whites will benefit more from mass deportations than they would from the maintenance of the welfare state.
>>127495660Who needs food, healthcare, or somewhere to live, right?
>>127495647Nah, it's not going to happen in a single day or anything. It'll be gradual. There will be landmarks along the way. Maybe June 2030 will be one.
>>127495643>white people should just go fuck themselves and suffer and dieya
>>127495626I'm afraid that's not the case. The parallels are too strong. But one could make an argument about the AI, even though its future is uncertain.>>127495637>has made everything move orders of magnitude faster.Including intelligence decline.
>>127495669All three will be made cheaper by mass deportations, and wages will increase.
>>127495677>that's not true because that's not how I imagine it happened last timesee why the west is declining? Because it's full of people like you
>>127494776If any medium is allowed, I think Miyazaki, especially his last two films are on that level of artistic prowess. The Boy And The Heron is a masterpiece that has no match
>>127495611>>127495673Saar!
>>127495702Not Western so I actually wouldn't say it counts. Not that we can't enjoy foreign media but it comes from a different milieu.
>>127495677>things happen faster>no they don't>intelligence has declined faster thoughyou have a clogged toilet for a brain
>>127495706Keep shitposting while you can, amerimutt. June 2030.
>>127495733June 2030 will be when we revoke citizenship from every brown in our lands. You fundamentally misunderstand what's happening.
>"""white""" bois hilariously raging and shidding and pissin when faced with inevitable demisemusic for that feeling?
>>127495757You've no idea what's coming for you. I am gleeful, I tell you, gleeful.
Also June 3030 is when it starts, but it'll all be over by late 2036, so at least you won't suffer for *that* long.
>>127495758>>127495775India superpowar 2030 Saar!
>>127495782They're going down too, worry not
>>127495695>I refuse to look at the evidence therefore I'm right!>>127495720By comment was ironic. The fact that intelligence is declining means society will collapse faster. Innovation per capita certainly is moving "magnitudes faster", except in a wrong direction.
>>127495793Africa superpower 2030 and sheeeit
>>127495801real ESL hours
>>127495801>>127495810>ByMy*. And yeah, you're in an ESL general&thread. Hindemith wasn't anglo.
Can't I ever just enjoy listening to a Bruckner symphony without incessantly mulling over whether I want to switch to another recording? "this sounds nice but damn, would I have a better time if I switched to X, Y, or Z performance instead?" I suppose the issue is the symphonies are so long, my brain wants to make sure I'm maximizing my time investment, y'know? Quite annoying.
>read threadHuh, not sure how I ended up on /pol/. Lemme just click on /mu/, search the catalog for /classical/, and open it up. There we go, now I know I'm in the right thre-- oh god, no :(
none of this would've happened had you learnt to appreciate Hindemithhave some funeral music for your funeralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZB7dCLJ6cM
>>127495862>not sure how I ended up on /pol/Friend, it has been a long, long time since /pol/ took over /mu/, /lit/, and a few other boards. Almost a decade I reckon.
>>127495867hindemith? more like hindenburg, haha
That moment when you perfectly voice an impossible passage and you're the first in recorded history to do it
any of Paavo Jarvi's Bruckner worth listening to? I think it's interesting on this 9th, he's got slow tempos/long run times at ~27min for each the first and third movement, and just shy of 11min for the second movement scherzo, yet for the first movement of the 4th, he conducts a speedy 16:57! This is to say it's neat to see how he adjusts his approach on a per-symphony basis, you don't usually see that. Generally you can correctly estimate the tempo and runtime of every other symphony in a cycle by just listening to the performance of one.
>>127495490>The weak SHOULD die.I have that tattoed on my neck
>even Godowsky himself didn’t hear this melody…God. I love this channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk0fjBnvR8M
>>127496072Bearbeitung? What kind of sick shit is this?
>>127496152Huh?
>>127496187I've said my piece
Baking bread since no one else does
>>127496269>>127496269>>127496269nowy
