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Find a flaw.

>>127542374
Is that a bee coming out of an explosion?

https://youtu.be/_9Ud_8Mb7lM?si=btvoQhRnXmXrmV8f
Kino

Got slapped with a 3-day for practicing black magic outside of /b/ so that's why there wasn't a new thread for a few days. Though I did use my time away to actually do some shit, namely finally give Quake 1 a try. (Metal Church's debut album makes the perfect soundtrack to Episode 2. If any of you are Quake fans, I HIGHLY recommend you play E2 while listening to that album. Gives some really sick atmosphere.)

>>127542374
Personal preference but I prefer Melissa over this one, riffs are faster and (to me) more memorable on that record. Could also be that I've listened to Melissa far more than Don't Break the Oath but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>127542397
Split halfway between late '70s JP and early Lizzy Borden, solid stuff right here. From this band I've only listened to In the Beginning... and while I didn't think it was that great of an effort, these two songs were really good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm_PpctMGVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J1meqsZufw

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TIME WILL PASS AWAY
TIME WILL GAHD OUR SECRET
I'LL RETUHN AGAYN
TO FIGHT ANUTHA DAY

I cannot think of another album that weds brooding menace with etherial beauty in a broadly mythic world which it builds so convincingly. It is in fact my favorite album of all time.

>>127544464
Probably a good band but I don't know if they're really appropriate for here. It's like posting Led Zeppelin or Rush. :p

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Good mid-'80s trad metal. The singer was later on Steve Stevens' first solo album.

https://youtu.be/wqAvA81bZUw?si=gY6yWIw3RQFq_uaM
https://youtu.be/rE_pxTu52IQ?si=7Hpk9nS01GU2f68n

>>127544527
Haven't listened to that one in a while. IIRC they were like weird hybrid between W.A.S.P. (in terms of sound) and Savatage (everything else)

>>127544503
Warrior is pretty much the prototypical metal song. Early Iron Maiden and Metallica were inspired by Argus.

>>127544553
Oh I hear how it influenced them, but I don't hear a single metallic riff here. Pretty cool song though, I'll have to check these guys out sometime.

https://youtu.be/BY35JCpr-WI?si=xkF0RzUFgknDI3Uf
Kinotime

>>127542469
>Got slapped with a 3-day for practicing black magic outside of /b/ so that's why there wasn't a new thread for a few days
lol what.

>>127514335
>That's the only Wasp album I've never ever bared to listen from start to finish. Other than maybe the title track its that bad
>They were trying to sell out because Marilyn Manson and NIN were popular

I actually liked all the tracks.

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Pretty good heavy/USPM album that was for some reason recorded at the bottom of a dirty lake.
>>127545676
>lol what.
:^)

>>127542469
For me it's Doom Eviternity + Summoning
>>127544503
let it go, its not like this place isn't usually dead

>>127545851
>For me it's Doom Eviternity + Summoning
Can't say I've heard of Eviternity. I'm assuming it's a custom WAD?
>let it go, its not like this place isn't usually dead
You do have a point, and it DOES foster discussion even if it's not entirely fitting for the general. :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6jIXtJy4oM

>>127541820
Master of reality is a 10/10 album.
Probably their best one with Ozzy.

>>127546189
>Probably their best one with Ozzy.
>Probably
It is their best one with Ozzy, it's their best album period lol

>>127546218
Nah sabotage is

>>127546252
>Nah sabotage is
Based taste but I consider that their third best personally. Mainly due to Am I Going Insane (Radio), which is a good song but in a sea of gold some silver just seems pretty weak by comparison.

>>127546252
i think a few of the songs on sabotage are weaker than others.

>>127546114
https://youtu.be/yfB7vF7nCdA?si=LMpuPimZ5B8BF6kv
Based Panther chad

>BLOOD AND IRON!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VlV1dVPW20

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MK. II Deep Purple, my beloved

>>127542374
such a kickass album cover

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New Helloween album drops tomorrow! I won't be checking it out right away (still need to listen to Keeper II and their self-titled from a few years ago), but what about you guys?

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Jeff Martin and Greg Chaisson's early '80s metal band. Never got signed but their demo was pretty heavily bootlegged - a buddy burned me a CD-R of seven or eight songs like ~15 years ago. About two albums' worth of stuff has now been picked up and given an official release.

Good stuff if not a little generic. Halford pops up on a few songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQFckKaM9Y&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQW6XXsLJRM&

>>127547626

are they related to racer x?

>>127547643
Yes, Jeff Martin was the singer in Racer X and then the second drummer in Badlands.

>>127547626
Listening to the first one right now. Even ignoring Halford's presence this is really reminiscent of Killing Machine-British Steel era Priest. Like that groovy, almost rocking bounce to this one really brings to mind a lot of the material off those two albums.
Good song btw, though you are right when you say it's nothing special. My favorite part is probably the chorus riff, it's got some great energy.

Peace out /trad/tards, have some shit from cirith ungol's best album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPNKqKUXMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITsGZVubF8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLalVCehfpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qgOpp-L9I

>>127547648
I think Heart of a Lion is the only Racer X song I've heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwVQ7sLmVLI

That was apparently originally going to be a judas priest song.
The current (and longest) Judas Priest drummer Scott Travis, was from their band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahngJupfI-k

>>127548006
Yeah, it was an outtake from Turbo that Halford gifted to Martin as a thank you for some backing vocals and uncredited writing he did on the album.

Halford recut it with his solo band years later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3aDBaXF68g&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwWEuegQj8o
REBELS IN THE FUCKING DECADENT GENERATION, RISE UP!

why is it so damn hard to find a decent pic of Master of Reality's album cover?

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>>127541820
Gary Moore - Gonna Break my Heart Again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP-ecFceFp4

Just amazing guitar playing and catchy as hell.
>>127548124
It's been a while since I listened to that album, but I re-listened to The Crimson Idol a couple of nights ago and it struck me that that album must be contain the most tom-tom rolls and 16th note grooves (disco hi-hat) in the history of rock. It might just be the way Blackie Lawless writes songs though, because he definitely has a preference how to structure a chorus melody for example. Just like in Black Forever he's written tons of songs that have choruses that kind of begins with words on the beat and ends with a couple of long notes/words. Or perhaps Frankie Banali had complete freedom to arrange the drums however he wanted and just liked the fast disco groove and 50 tom-tom rolls in a song.

>>127548677
>Go to Slsk
>Search "Black Sabbath Master of Reality png" 1 billion results
You're welcome.

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>>127548677
What, the original cover where you could barely see the title?

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HE'S EVIL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyuFg0m2pKI

>>127548778
Is there any story behind this cover art? Did they actually think it looked cool or were they completely out of ideas, so they just slapped the band name and title on there?

>>127545919
>custom WAD
yes, a famous one
I was being pointlessly specific, generally I like any boomer shooters w/metal, they go well together

>>127550310
Highly underrated album, and easily this band’s best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKReoD7Y_wk
Holy shit this is fucking amazing

>>127550398
>strawpoll.com/NMnQNXdaBg6
The first editions of Master of Reality came in an 'envelope sleeve' containing a poster of the band, and with the album's title embossed in black lettering, visible in relief. Later editions lacking the embossed printing would render the album title in grey. This was the first Black Sabbath sleeve on which the lyrics were reproduced on the back of the sleeve. In his autobiography Iommi describes the cover as "Slightly Spinal Tap-ish, only well before Spinal Tap". The labels of the album were different too, as Side A featured the infamous[citation needed] swirl label, although the black circles were white and the white circles black. Side B, which was the information label, was black with white writing instead of white with black writing. That variant of the Vertigo label was never to be used again thereafter.

On the first North American editions of the album, several songs had subtitles given to segments, making it appear that there were more songs than there actually were. The intro of "After Forever" was given the title "The Elegy", the coda of "Children of the Grave" was called "The Haunting", the intro of "Lord of This World" was titled "Step Up", and the intro of "Into the Void" called "Deathmask". This treatment had also been used on the North American editions of Black Sabbath's previous two albums. These pressings also incorrectly listed the album title as Masters of Reality.[14] Subsequent editions corrected the album's title and removed three of the four subtitles (all but "The Elegy").

>>127551495
>links the poll
Should I just put it in a separate post from now on instead of the OP?

>>127551540
No, it got auto-quoted cause I had the text selected, LMAO. Ignore it.

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>>127551547
>No, it got auto-quoted cause I had the text selected

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Immaculate! Definitely the best Helloween album I've listened to so far, this record takes all the best elements from Part I and expands upon them while also adding back more of the speed from their debut EP and LP. I already posted Eagle Fly Free so have my other favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ai1QyLkUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyhX2dZY-Ls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7-pFa8KHAU (probably this band's best song besides Ride the Sky)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpAahKUNB4

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Damn solid NWOTHM that's reminiscent of a lot of bands but primarily Iron Maiden, Helloween and Exciter. Highlight for me is the entirety of the B side, and the fact that it's not overproduced to hell and back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ope-bd3zDsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZlcN1R39us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df1MHeAKkTg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Ctuxo9OLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld9OMt7bfak

>>127547253
I'll give it a try for sure, I hope they don't fill it with politics and Russia-ukraine bs, unlike many regional bands have been doing.

>>127552269
>I hope they don't fill it with politics and Russia-ukraine bs, unlike many regional bands have been doing.
Yeah same here. I get doing this with stuff like thrash (where politics & war have always been core themes), but to me making songs about modern-day conflict just doesn't work with power metal. And if it does, it's only occasionally.

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Starts off with an excellent song, and while the rest of the album is good it just doesn't compare. Most noteworthy thing about this release is the very pronounced Deep Purple influence; to the point where Ritchie James (the keyboardist for this band) uses a Hammond organ in addition to keyboards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fl2k8RctyQ

>>127552269
>>127552302
It got a 9/10 in Sweden Rock Magazine. The reviewer didn't go deep into the lyrics, but from reading the titles and his description of the songs I doubt there's much politics.

>>127552551
Do you have a copy of the review, translated if possible? I'm trying to find one and while I can find brief transcripts here and there, the full review is behind a paywall from what I'm seeing.

>>127552632
Yeah, I think I can copy and paste it from their site, otherwise I have to do it manually by reading from the physical magazine. I'll check now.

>>127552787
Thanks mate!

>>127552805
I can't copy paste the reviews, only the articles. But I can manually translate it, but it's gonna take a few minutes.

>>127552883
>But I can manually translate it, but it's gonna take a few minutes.
I can wait, I have some stuff to do in the meantime. :^)

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>>127552888
>With a little (a lot) distance from the album “Helloween” (2021), it is more than clear that a comparison to the fairy tale “The Emperor's New Clothes” can be made. Singer Michael Kiske and guitarist Kai Hansen were back, but the songs were exactly the same as before. The talk of managing the heavy legacy was really only apparent in the single “Skyfall.” But that was something I didn't want to admit to myself at the time.

>It is clear that the members also share the same opinion about the previous album. Because now, and for real this time, they are flexing their collective muscles instead of relying on the name and achievements of individual members. That said, it is still two individuals who are taking revenge on the last album. Kiske, who mumbled his way through “Helloween,” reaches former heights with power and commitment, and Kai's rock-hard finale “Majestic” is among the best he has ever put his name on! Before that, he lets Gamma Ray meet ABBA in “We Can Be Gods,” while Michael Weikath takes us to classic ‘Weikie’ territory in the power metal-sparkling “Savior of the World” and the glam-like “Under the Moonlight.” Andi Deris, in turn, deftly explores the pop metal side in “A Little is a Little Too Much” and “This is Tokyo.” In a way, guitarist Sascha Gerstner is the one who pays the most tribute to the band's history, as he highlights both singers in their respective showpieces. Otherwise, the vocals are shared equally between the two, with Kai also taking part in three of the songs.

>The rating is sky-high, but “Giants & Monsters” is also by far the best thing Helloween has released since “The Time of the Oath.”

There.

>>127553179
Wow, that's a glowing review. I appreciate you translating this, in fact I think I I'll give this album a shot tomorrow when it drops! :D

>>127553179
That's encouraging. This is Tokyo did nothing for me but Universe wormed its way firmly into my brain.

>>127546275
Thrill of it all was probably one of the weaker songs from what I remember on sabotage
HOWEVER, I haven't really heard it in a while. so i dont remember.

Side a is probably the strongest side of the album, with all great songs in a row.

>>127548778
>>127550398
it's got a nice psychedelic vibe with dark colors, it perfectly fits the album

>>127554590
This. What I like to do is while I'm listening to the album, I stare at the album cover until my eyes start to distort it. It creates a really cool effect.

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is there a reason for all the different color versions of the cover?

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>>127554668
Hey look it's the bottom of a pool noodle.
>is there a reason for all the different color versions of the cover?
IIRC this album's text was embossed, so I imagine that for every time the record label reissued it, they didn't want to keep doing that so settled on a standard cover after a while. Just my theory, though.

>>127554668
milking collectorscum

>>127554710
Maybe nowadays but back when this LP came out? I'm not sure, most of the alternate covers for this record come from the '70s, and I don't think milking collectors was as widespread then as it is now.

>>127554735
serious answer, the album title was embossed against a black background originally. it was colored in later so you could see it for non embossed versions like tape and CD i think

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>>127554772
>serious answer,
Ah my mistake, I couldn't tell lol.
>it was colored in later so you could see it for non embossed versions like tape and CD i think
That's what I was thinking, too. It's also worth noting that there's versions from 1971 (and the '70s in general) that don't have the logo embossed, like this Philips issue.

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>>127548720
Based Gary Moore appreciator.

https://youtu.be/lGZGYBc2ppI?si=4_g8sLfvmgdjdMiT

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>>127553179
>The rating is sky-high, but “Giants & Monsters” is also by far the best thing Helloween has released since “The Time of the Oath.”
That's a bold statement, because they've put out several excellent albums since that, like Better Than Raw, 7 Sinners and the self titled.

Any bands with female vocals you like?
https://youtu.be/c_NXI0ak3fA

>>127556320
SHOW-YA
Mari Hamada
Acid

>>127548778
yes but in a cleaner version. it seems like every pic is very a scan of a scuffed vinyl. i used to own the 2004 CD remaster and that was clean. why can't someone upload a good version of something like that?

>>127544527
>Fighting for the Earth 1985
This was only 4 years before Sexecutioner, itself over 35 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VQi2B4wMfE

Got a bit of a headache so I'm going to head out early tonight. Peace out metalbros!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQzw1wJO8bY

>>127556320
I quite like Sinergy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zX7uXKAFMc

>>127542374
It's not Abigail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRIkFVErtm8

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Why are these guys so obscure? Some of the best stuff I've heard in a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUPgwikneq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtIDwt16u5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aner0TvClYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu652koXhXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVtwt_V82_c

>>127556786
https://www.discogs.com/release/4841093-Black-Sabbath-Master-Of-Reality/image/SW1hZ2U6OTc4ODE2MQ==

?

>>127560310
damn that must be it but i must also be misremembering. i could have sworn the Black Sabbath part was a much deeper purple. it's been a while since i've owned it though

>deep purple

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>>127561826
>>deep purple

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DOOM fuel, one of the best metal albums to listen to while playing a boomer shooter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zKOhVSERS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_DSE3FSalM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beWvPkYHaic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0vJfQfx4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mB5H5lcymA

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>>127561826
>>127561842
>Double Penetration

>>127554668
First reason is different national markets often had their own variants. In those days even the major record companies were not very centralized and regional branches tended to operate more like independent franchises, so they would often have to print their own sleeves based on specs sent from the global headquarters, or in some extreme cases design their own completely new sleeves. Second reason is just that this album has been reissued dozens of time on vinyl and CD and things change, especially since the original sleeve had raised lettering that wouldn't work for jewel case booklets.

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Why is Uriah Heep so neglected in the early metal conversation? They were just as important as Deep Purple and Budgie and David Byron inspired a generation of metal shriekers as much as Gillen did.

>>127563596
>Why is Uriah Heep so neglected in the early metal conversation?
Because they don't have that unequivocally metal album(s) like Deep Purple and Budgie do. Heep also weren't really trailblazers, at least not as much as DP was. They also never had that MEGA hit that solidified their reputation with the greater population.

Deep Purple:
- Very early (if not first) examples of galloping metal riffing
- First speed metal song
- Ritchie Blackmore was a core influence on neoclassical metal
- Pretty much any fast, melodic metal you can trace back in some way to these guys.
- Ian Gillan's screaming, shrieking style was much... much different from the other bands on the scene like Zeppelin and Sabbath. Uriah Heep also had this, but they weren't first.
- Two undeniable metal albums, those being In Rock and Machine Head

And this is just off of the top of my head.

>>127563723
>Heep also weren't really trailblazers, at least not as much as DP was
>Uriah Heep also had this, but they weren't first.
The first Heep album came out almost simultaneously with In Rock

>>127563742
>The first Heep album came out almost simultaneously with In Rock
True, but I've listened to that album multiple times and while it does some new stuff for the time (like Gypsy's dramatic chorus and the organ solo) in my opinion it didn't change the game anywhere near as much as In Rock did. (Now if it had Bird of Prey on it, that'd be a different story...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlyyJS_iNsQ

IMO Heep's only major, wide-reaching contribution to metal is their intricate song structures (just listen to Shadow's of Grief off LaY) and Byron's theatrical vocals. The band were a pivotal but often forgotten building block for bands from the '80s like Mercyful Fate, Metal Church; fuck pretty much any USPM band, really.

Forgot this but they were also pretty key influence on progressive metal. Not as foundational as Rush but not too far off.

>>127563723
>They also never had that MEGA hit that solidified their reputation with the greater population
That may be, but songs like Bird of Prey were practically worshiped in the NWOBHM scene. They may not have had the preeminent prestige of Deep Purple but that doesn't erase their influence.

>>127564004
>They may not have had the preeminent prestige of Deep Purple but that doesn't erase their influence.
Oh I don't think it erases Heep's influence at all, I just think Deep Purple was a more influential band on metal as a whole.

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Not as crammed full of gold as the other two LP's from the early era but still has a lot of excellent shit. The title track could very well be the heaviest song of the '70s, and Road Racin' has been a personal favorite of mine since I first listened to it. Also you have NOT lived properly until you've sped down the highway with that song blasting over the speakers, it's an exhilarating experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLj-YBRKiXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAsBS-tMog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o56ryCy-wFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6h7Pk1XX4

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Heep never truly got over the "poor man's Deep Purple" tag the music media put on them. Very unfair imo, there's stylistic overlap of course but they're not close enough to be clones.

That said, I'd argue that Heep's biggest influence on music as a whole were their huge overdubbed vocal harmonies, which were a big influence on Queen and a lot of '80s Europop like a-ha.

>>127566175
>That said, I'd argue that Heep's biggest influence on music as a whole were their huge overdubbed vocal harmonies
Oh yeah I forgot about that! Quite revolutionary for the early '70s, and besides Queen I really can't name many other bands that did it.

Heep are just a slowed down and more psychedelic version of Purp, simple as.

>>127566632
>Heep are just a slowed down and more psychedelic version of Purp
Reductionist (no mention of Byron's extravagant, theatrical vocals on their heavier songs?), but yes.

>>127562960
This was pretty cool. Can you recommend any more of their albums?

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>>127567305
>hasn't listened to any metallica albums
Can't tell if you're fucking with me or not but I'll provide a serious response regardless. I'm only really strong on Metallica's first two LPs (particularly RTL), and while MOP and AJFA are good records; I don't think they're as good as everyone else says. MOP has some filler and one song that REALLY shouldn't have been included, and AJFA has several songs that just go on way... way too fucking long. Not because they're progressive or anything, but because there's so many repeated sections in almost every song on that record. MOP also suffers from this issue quite a bit, (was the ending reprisal in the title track really necessary?) but it's far more egregious on AJFA.

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It's a good record and no doubt quite a bit better than Taking Over, but from the classic era nothing has really eclipsed Feel the Fire for me. (Well TYOD did, but it's been months since I listened to that album.) Only two of the four high-points really come close to matching the best off FtF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4sWu4UMlGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFyNGBzHJcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0KBryUoCto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfAKJdHkTc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyye6Z9IbZ4

>>127568044
Not that anon, but I haven't listened to most of "...And Justice For All". Only thing i think i heard is "One".
I haven't listened to most of their discography, come to think of it. I liked all nightmare long from death magnetic. There's stuff from the black album I like.

From what I remember Ride the lightning had more stuff i liked than master of puppets, but i dont remmeber if I listened to it all of master of puppets.
There's definitely a lot of great stuff on RTL.
stand outs were
>For whom the bell tolls.
>Ride the lightning
>creeping death
>Fade to black
Fight fire with fire and Call of ktulu are also cool.

From master of puppets, I liked the titular track, Battery, and orion. I dont' remember the others.

>>127568690
>Not that anon, but I haven't listened to most of "...And Justice For All". Only thing i think i heard is "One".
One of three excellent songs off of that album. Blackened, One, and Dyers Eve are all great fucking tunes but I just wish the album was trimmed down by like ten or so minutes. :P
>There's definitely a lot of great stuff on RTL.
PERFECT ALBUM! I love every fucking second of that record, and in my mind it's the peak of standard thrash metal. Sure you can bring up bands like Exodus, Overkill, and they're all great outfits... but to me non-brutal thrash reached its apex on Ride the Lightning. (Brutal thrash's peak is Sepultura - Beneath the Remains)
>From master of puppets, I liked the titular track, Battery, and orion. I dont' remember the others.
Lol I only really care for Battery and Damage Inc. Disposable Heroes is pretty good, too. And while I haven't listened to Puppets in a while, my thoughts on it remain the same every single time. I will say this, though, Battery is one of the all-time best thrash songs. Completely stomps over everything off of that album.

>>127563596
they mog the shit out of Deep Purple. kinda funny since they were known as "the poor man's Deep Purple"

>>127568828
>they mog the shit out of Deep Purple.
In what fucking world, no; what UNIVERSE does Uriah Heep eclipse MK. II Deep Purple? Heep's a damn good band but they are NOT up to par with Purple.

>>127563723
>Because they don't have that unequivocally metal album(s) like Deep Purple and Budgie do. Heep also weren't really trailblazers, at least not as much as DP was. They also never had that MEGA hit that solidified their reputation with the greater population.

I noticed that Metal archives doesn't have uriah heep on their site, but progarchives does.

>>127563596
im not too familiar with their stuff, but some things I liked from them, all from different albums:
Wake the Sleeper
Rainbow Demon
Gypsy.

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>>127568896
>I noticed that Metal archives doesn't have uriah heep on their site
I browse the band appeals section on that site a lot to gain insight as to what gets accepted there and what doesn't, and Heep has been discussed on that site a LOT over the years. I believe the most recent appeal was this one, in mid-2019. (Azmodes is a moderator over there.)

>>127568828
i love how /mu/ has opinions that no other person on earth has ever uttered before lel.

>>127568844
>1971
>Salisbury is much better than Fireball
>Look at Yourself if ridiculously above Fireball
>1972
Demons and Wizards is better than Machine Head

the only time Deep Purple easily mogged was with In Rock vs. Very Eavy

>>127545765
>SEARED BITE

>>127568994
>>Salisbury is much better than Fireball
This is actually the only early Heep album I still need to check out so I can't really comment on it.
>>Look at Yourself if ridiculously above Fireball
Agreed, though not by that much. If it didn't have that weird piano rock song towards the end I'd consider it a landslide victory for Heep, though!
>>Demons and Wizards is better than Machine Head
Eh, no. Highway Star, Space Truckin', Pictures of Home, pretty much the entire album sans those two rock songs (you know the ones, they're still good but they're clearly not up to par with the rest of the album) is masterclass. Off Demons and Wizards the only song I REALLY like is Rainbow Demon.

>>127569047
>This is actually the only early Heep album I still need to check out
you won't regret it!
there's no doubt Heep mogged Purple in the year of '71 at least... brutally so.

Alright is Kill 'Em All speed or thrash metal? I'm inclined to say its a speed metal album and you can hear the more NWOBHM influence in it. Slayer's Welcome to Hell is the first thrash metal record

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Peace out tradbros! Since the poll is a 50/50 split, and I highly doubt this one will last until the morning; I'm just letting you all know that for the next thread I'll be choosing the album that got to two votes first. (Running Wild - Gates to Purgatory) And before I head out, have a metal grab bag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2b7NhUgjWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkALWbHqCI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA6vDBfxqts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VncG0KAug2o

>>127569114
>there's no doubt Heep mogged Purple in the year of '71 at least... brutally so.
Just going off of Look at Yourself and the one song I have heard off of Salisbury (Bird of Prey), it's no contest.

>>127569116
>Alright is Kill 'Em All speed or thrash metal?
Thrash metal with speed bordering on a primary and plain ol' heavy as a secondary to cover Jump in the Fire and Seek and Destroy.
>Slayer's Welcome to Hell
KEK

>>127569154
>>127569116
shit i thought i wrote show no mercy, not sure how that happened kek

imo metallica went downhill after kill em all

just dont get the other stuff

>>127569116
>>127569181
Venom wrote welcome to hell. I guess you confused 2 bands with satanic themes, lol

>>127559626
is that 3d models for the cover art?

>>127569114
Personally I think Deep Purple's songwriting is much more to the point. Early Uriah Heep had all these slower and often soft interludes in many of the songs, which for some people might be great, but I lose some of the interest.

bump

>>127546218
Too much acoustic faggotry but the actual songs are great.

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is their best

>>127572435
sabbath bloody sabbath too samey

all the bloody songs on that record sound the same

>>127565050
Narita is about even with FDU for me. Both definitely above Rock City though I do like that one a lot ass well

>>127563723
>- Ian Gillan's screaming, shrieking style was much... much different from the other bands on the scene like Zeppelin and Sabbath. Uriah Heep also had this, but they weren't first.
How different were they really from zeppelin?

>>127572715
>How different were they really from zeppelin?
Robert Plant could shriek, but his style of singing is almost always more reserved (best comparison I can think of is Immigrant Song VS. Hard Lovin' Man) and he just couldn't hit the high notes Gillan could; nor could he sustain them for as long. The lines Plant sings when he does his higher-register are also strange too, in that they usually tapers them off at the end. And they don't sound quite as powerful as Gillan's did, either. Now I'm no expert, but I do sing for fun from time to time, and what it sounds like to me is that Rob used his head voice for when he wanted to sing in a higher pitch.

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How are you guys holding up? Ozzy passing saddened me.

>>127569047
I usually listen to Demons & Wizards as a whole instead of putting individual tracks on a playlist or whatever. Some of them work on their own but the album always felt like one piece to me. An extremely good one at that; I'd probably place it above Machine Head

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I think there's an argument to be made that the A side to this album is one of (if not) the best batch of heavy metal from the '70s. Not even that the B side is bad, mind you it's still fucking phenomenal; but the first four songs are just flawless.
>>127573123
I'll relisten to D&W later today. It's been quite a while since my last listen after all, and I DO remember really liking it at the time. : )

>STARBREAKER, GLIDES IN FROM THE SKY-YYYY!!
>STARBREAKER, TAKES YOU UP SO HIGH-HHHHHHHH!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmD4qZj0lNY

>>127572623
nta Master of Reality sounds pretty samey desu

>>127572435
>Too much acoustic faggotry
it's literally like 2 minutes worth

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Alright so I'm looking into 1982-1983 for the next /trad/ essentials chart, and I can safely say that '82 and '83 need to be split up into separate charts. 1983 just has too many amazing releases and it'd completely dominate a chart with both years included. So here's what I have for 1982 (of course like every other chart the first row represents my personal favorites out of these), but I need two more albums to fill it out. Any suggestions?

>>127572929
>and what it sounds like to me is that Rob used his head voice for when he wanted to sing in a higher pitch.
There's barely any vocalist in hard rock/metal that uses strictly head voice in the higher register. They use a mix of chest and head voice. The exception is King Diamond and if you listen to how weak his higher register sounds in comparison to Robert Plant for example you know'd what I mean.
>>127574849
Gary Moore - Corridors of Power
The Michael Schenker Group - Assault Attack
Motörhead - Iron Fist
Pagan Altar - Pagan Altar
The Rods - Wild Dogs
Tygers of Pan Tang - The Cage
Uriah Heep - Abominog
Whitesnake - Saints & Sinners
Winterhawk - Revival
Y&T - Black Tiger

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>>127575055
Ended up going with Pagan Altar and that MSG record for the last two albums.

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As expected, 1983 is already giving me a lot of choices. I already put down my favorites of the year in the top row as well as some pretty surefire ones in the second one. What do you guys want in the final two rows?

Also if there's enough suggestions for it, I'll add a fifth row to the chart. :^)

>>127575436
AC/DC - Flick of the Switch
Manowar - Into Glory Ride
Thin Lizzy - Tunder and Lightning
Ozzy Osbourne - Bark at the Moon
The Michael Schenker Group - Built to Destroy
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Grim Reaper - See You in Hell
Gary Moore - Victims of the Future
Europe - Europe
Fastway - Fastway
Def Leppard - Pyromania
Black Sabbath - Born Again
Alcatrazz - No Parole From Rock 'n' Roll
Accept - Balls to the Wall
Y&T - Mean Streak

>>127575516
>AC/DC - Flick of the Switch
No.
>Europe - Europe
Already on the chart. :1
>Fastway - Fastway
Listened to this one before... I wouldn't call it an essential desu. It's a solid rock album but nothing more.
>Def Leppard - Pyromania
Great album but not a metal album. It only has like one metal song, and that's Stagefright.

As for those other ones, I'll wait a bit to see if anyone else chimes in on them. Y'know I don't want these charts to just be two people's suggestions and that's it lol.

>>127575564
>>AC/DC - Flick of the Switch
>No.
It was 100% a metal album in the 80s.
>>Def Leppard - Pyromania
>Great album but not a metal album. It only has like one metal song, and that's Stagefright.
Same with Def Leppard.

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>>127575657
>It was 100% a metal album in the 80s.
In the '80s, yes. But by any conventional standard or one that isn't very dated, no. AC/DC across their entire discography only has 3-4 genuinely metal songs, and two of them are from the '70s. Also you have to remember that fucking Poison & Bon Jovi were considered metal by many people in the '80s.
>Same with Def Leppard.
Def Leppard's first two albums are metal/rock, yes, and Pyromania was also considered a metal album back then... but again, that album is ONLY metal if you go by the standard of 40 years ago. Because if you look at Def Leppard's first two albums with a modern lens; they're still undeniably metal! They have metal riffing all over the place (especially on OTTN) and while they don't sound terribly heavy now, metal isn't about being heavy. It's about the style of riffs.

>Rock! Rock! (Till You Drop)
Has some metal riffing but is pretty much just glam.
>Photograph
Glam/pop rock.
>Stagefright
Heavy/glam in roughly equal quantities.
>Die Hard the Hunter
Some riffs but is overall more rock oriented.
>Foolin'
Same as the last but a heavier song.

And the final three songs off of that LP have absolutely nothing metal about them.

>>127575847
Perhaps it's just me but I don't differentiate heavy metal from hard rock. Never have, never will.
>It's about the style of riffs
Martin Popoff, is that you?
>Photograph
>pop rock
Hate that genre term. And I wouldn't agree with putting that tag on it either. Personally I would call it a hard rock/AOR/glam metal song, but I don't even putting glam there is a stretch. In my opinion they weren't a hair/glam band until Hysteria/ Adrenalize.

>>127576001
>Perhaps it's just me but I don't differentiate heavy metal from hard rock. Never have, never will.
Fair enough, and the lines can get quite murky; but with bands like AC/DC it's pretty damn cut and dry.
>>It's about the style of riffs
>Martin Popoff, is that you?
A metal song is made metal by its riffs. That's just how the cookie crumbles mate.
>Hate that genre term. And I wouldn't agree with putting that tag on it either.
I certainly would. The chorus to that song is REALLY reminiscent of pop, and outside of the sugared up production it doesn't really remind me of an AOR song.
>but I don't even putting glam there is a stretch.
At its most basic definition glam metal is just having a very catchy chorus and catchy, simple riffing. Obviously it's a bit more in depth than that, but personally I think that fits Photograph to a tee.
>In my opinion they weren't a hair/glam band until Hysteria/ Adrenalize.
This I agree with, because while I do think Pyromania is a glam album... it's a pretty light one. It's much more plain hard rock than glam. Hysteria is where they took the full plunge.

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Y'know what, I'm gonna go give Pyromania another spin. I'm actually pretty curious how much metal I can hear in the individual songs.

>>127574849

Virgin steeles first 2 albums came out in 1982-1983.
Theres some great tracks on there, but overall they aren't as strong as their later albums. (so idk if it would actually fit)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Steele_(album)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Flame_(album)

>>127575564
>>Europe - Europe
>>127575516
Is europe a metal band?I only ever heard the final countdown?

>>127575516
>Manowar - Into Glory Ride
Its a good album. There's only 1 weak spot on the album which is warlord, and mostly because of the random intro skit.

There's only 7 songs on the album, but it still manages to be over 45 minutes because warlord is the only song under 5 minutes long.

>>127576406
VS's first album is in no way essential. It's decent, but it's nothing more than that.
As for their second? I'd need to listen to it, or hear some others in this thread asking for that record to be added.
>>127576417
>Is europe a metal band?I only ever heard the final countdown?
Early Europe was 100% a metal band. And their first album even has some early power metal on it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaUPrfIMpyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP3W3QmCQeU (Power metal)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax9gH0JtjDo (Power metal)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbr6vuM2nPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np1srpi-Ph4 (Power metal)

Wings of Tomorrow is less metallic overall, but still has plenty of metal on it. (Don't be fooled by the extra songs, this album is lighter than their debut.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FJe2yijNAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmyXkBCmqXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNAzC4p1Y9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcv05PbZ5tA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQl0lh3eeMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlkFdSo2BxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJjIDiKn1VI

>>127575847
>In the '80s, yes. But by any conventional standard or one that isn't very dated, no. AC/DC across their entire discography only has 3-4 genuinely metal songs, and two of them are from the '70s.
Which songs by AC/DC did you have in mind as being metal?

>Also you have to remember that fucking Poison & Bon Jovi were considered metal by many people in the '80s.
"Shot Through the Heart" and "You Give Love a Bad Name" might count as glam metal. They aren't exactly trying to be heavy though. It's a metal riff (at parts), but with a lot of pop music stuff added in.

>>127576152
Not done with the album yet but I remember the last three songs well enough to say with 100% confidence that outside of Action! Not Words, they have nothing metal about them. Here are the metal songs off of Pyromania:

Stagefright (excluding the glammy production of the LP, this is actually one of the band's heaviest riffs)
Foolin'

And the songs that have metal elements (but are primarily rock)

Rock! Rock! (Till You Drop)
Die Hard the Hunter
Rock of Ages
Action! Not Words (buried beneath all of the production there's some actual metal riffing here and there)

>>127576551
>Which songs by AC/DC did you have in mind as being metal?
Let There Be Rock
Whole Lotta Rosie
...maybe Hell's Bells?
and Big Gun.
>"Shot Through the Heart" and "You Give Love a Bad Name" might count as glam metal. They aren't exactly trying to be heavy though. It's a metal riff (at parts), but with a lot of pop music stuff added in.
See this is why I fucking hate the term glam metal and why I almost always call this shit cock rock instead. Glam "metal" is a misnomer, because there's only a select few bands of that style that are ACTUAL heavy metal. (WASP, Twisted Sister, Dokken, etc.)

>>127576636
>See this is why I fucking hate the term glam metal and why I almost always call this shit cock rock instead. Glam "metal" is a misnomer, because there's only a select few bands of that style that are ACTUAL heavy metal. (WASP, Twisted Sister, Dokken, etc.)
Motley crue and skid row as well

>>127576687
Forgot those two, yeah they're metal. Early Motley Crue specifically, after SATD they have a few songs here and there but just became a full-on glam outfit.

>>127576636
>Let There Be Rock
>Whole Lotta Rosie
>...maybe Hell's Bells?
>and Big Gun.

Yeah those make sense to me as examples. The razors edge might count as well; It's probably one of their least typical songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_7SxoQW11g

>>127576417
>Is europe a metal band?I only ever heard the final countdown?
Depends on what definition you have of metal I guess. But early Europe was in the same vain as Yngwie Malmsteen. Their 2000s albums are really good too but more bluesy than metal. Personally I think from The Final Countdown through Prisoners in Paradise there's top notch material.

The main riff on Ready or Not for example is so fucking good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHl_Th3qBC8

>>127576636
>>127576771
What about Thunderstruck? I briefly thought about T.N.T., but I don't know.

>>127576771
>The razors edge might count as well; It's probably one of their least typical songs:
Huh, I'll be damned. This song's actually pretty heavy.
>>127576789
>The main riff on Ready or Not for example is so fucking good.
I concur! That is a REALLY solid riff, it's very crunchy and somewhat reminiscent of '70s VH. Love the guitar tone, too.

>>127576865
>What about Thunderstruck?
Metal elements but not a metal song.
>I briefly thought about T.N.T., but I don't know.
Absolutely not. That song's probably the most pure example of hard rock you can get lol.

>>127576876
a bit of a side note, but does tnt have punk vibes at all?

>>127576894
>but does tnt have punk vibes at all?
Hmmm... yeah I'd say so. Particularly the gang shouts in the beginning.

>>127575436
>>127575516
Thin Lizzy - Tunder and Lightning
Ozzy Osbourne - Bark at the Moon
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Grim Reaper - See You in Hell
Black Sabbath - Born Again

seconding these and adding
Riot - Born in America
Warlord - Deliver Us

I think its kinda funny how AC/DC's song about the creation of Rock and roll has a blatantly metal riff.

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>>127577224
Awesome! Adding those five, and if another person seconds those two albums you suggested they'll be added as well. (Manowar is in there because someone else mentioned Into Glory Ride earlier and I'll count it as a vote)
>>127577234
So I wasn't the only person who got a kick out of that, huh? That main riff is pretty much the exact fucking opposite of rock and roll. :P

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>>127575516
Victims of the Future was actually the very beginning of 1984. The album Moore did release in 1983 was a shelved album from 1980, Dirty Fingers, that Jet Records released to cash in on Corridors of Power selling well. He bitched and moaned for years about Jet screwing him on it, saying that they were only demos and most of the songs weren't finished (some of it was recycled into stuff on his Virgin albums, so I'd believe him), but the material's strong - basically his NWOBHM album. A really good band too - Moore, Charlie Huhn, Jimmy Bain, Tommy Aldridge and Don Airey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDx2aGVKhrk&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqsSx5HUixQ&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BNeDzmAt8U&

But yeah, Moore absolutely deserves a mention on these charts. He was effectively the UK's Eddie Van Halen in the early-mid '80s.

As for the Alcatrazz album, yeah, I agree. Say what you will about the production or the songs just being second-rate Rainbow or whatever, but it was a pretty integral album in the development of neoclassical metal.

>>127577270
The solo at about 2:49 is the most rock n roll part of it. It's got a classic sort of melody that usually got used in Rock n roll riffs (despite being used for a solo here).
https://youtu.be/OvJrJcVAQQs?t=169

I think it might be related to boogie woogie.

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>>127577385
Gary Moore has now been added, and the Alcatrazz album is also here for its influence on neoclassical metal. (That and it's a pretty underrated album desu.)
Two more suggestions, then if this final row gets filled up and there's enough: I'll add a fifth and final row for an additional five albums on the chart.

>>127577409
Mmm, yeah that solo's pretty rock 'n' roll-y. Aside from that though the song is pretty clearly metal (main riff but it repeats althroughout) and rock. (everything else)

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>>127577441
First Jaguar album maybe? I know NWOBHM guys swear by this one.

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Time to see what all the fuss is about and why you two (yes, you two) love this guy's early output so much. I'll listen to Dirty Fingers first, and if I like it enough I'll check out Victims afterwards.
>>127577627
Sure, why not. I remember liking it. :P

Okay, yeah I get why now. The lead guitar on this first song is incredible. (Especially that solo, my god)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh1a7O75YDw

>>127577441
Should number of the beast be mentioned?

>>127577960
>Should number of the beast
That album's from 1982 and is already on the chart for that year lol

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>>127577385
Nah friend. It definitely was released in 1983, at least in Europe.

>>127577964
Oh you were posting the 1983 chart

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This was really, really fucking good. Only thing I disliked was Kidnapped's pretty poppy chorus, but other than that I didn't have any problems with this record. Here are the highlights!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh1a7O75YDw (best song here, for 1980 this would've been really heavy and pretty fucking ahead of the curve)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpocxpMmCug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqsSx5HUixQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuK67Z8UtqE (fantastic ballad)

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>>127578103
The Harry Shapiro book just mentions a nondescript delay before Moore and Carter split for Christmas, and Kerrang's talking about it as an upcoming album in the first issue of 1984 so I'm guessing maybe they even started printing them in late 1983?

Actually this might be of interest to you GUYS - a few based autist boomers have scanned hundreds of issues of '80s rock/metal magazines, so this has nearly every issue of peak-era Kerrang and heaps of other shit like Metal Hammer.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1luaLZfavSeXui9RkO1PZ3U5gAE1XHfkH

>>127578195
>GUYS

Welp, no idea what happened there [spoiler]GUYS[/spoiler]. I'm going back to bed.

>>127578195
>Actually this might be of interest to you GUYS
This is going to be such a fucking boon of information, and when I start linking stuff in the OPs like charts and whatnot I'll be sure to include this as an additional resource.
>>127578205
>Welp, no idea what happened there [spoiler]GUYS[/spoiler]. I'm going back to bed.
Spoiler tags don't work on /mu/. Trust me, I've tried before lol.

>>127578153
>(fantastic ballad)
It really is. My mom listened to that and Richie Sambora's Father Time from his brilliant debut solo album in the car all the time when I was a kid in the early-mid 90s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dQ4_odarU0
>>127578195
>>127578195
Neil Carter btw was a really good vocalist too, and had a very similar voice to Gary Moore which made him the perfect guy to have in the band to share the vocals with Gary Moore live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZXY0F89DLI

>>127578310
Damn this is some good shit, and the way they bounce off of each other is really fucking cool! I wonder how much coordination was needed, because the harmony they have doesn't seem like something you could just pull off on a whim.

>>127574646
umm

solitude
children grave
afterforever

COMPLETEly different genres

into the void

lord of this worls

sweet leaf

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RIFF

killing yourself to live?

sabbatj bloody sabbath?

SAME FUGGIN SONG

that other song cant rwmember? national acrobat?

that riff like repeats 4 times on the album

>>127577234
metal is just a subgenre of rock n roll

>>127578371
Holy shit learn how to format your posts properly before you post here again, fuck!
>children grave
>afterforever

>COMPLETEly different genres
These two songs are both heavy metal, After Forever is more psychedelic but that's it.

>>127578375
Correct but after a certain point heavy metal becomes its own distinct thing from rock music. The moment you start speeding it up, removing the groove, and making it heavier I really don't think it's that connected to rock anymore.

>>127578195
I hope they back that up somewhere other than google drive as well.

>>127578458
What are the other options for archiving shit like this though? You could do Archive.org but I don't think it'd last there long.

Great instrumental track from Dokken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=621plHIyNFw

not sure why its called mr scary but i like it.

>>127578550
Annas-archive perhaps? torrents? In any case I hope they take local or non-public backups.

>>127578768
This is like their heaviest song. I tell you when I listened to that album for the first time I was REALLY caught off guard by this one, because it's so fucking crunchy and intricately crafted. It's such an outlier on that album.

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Good album but not as good as Dirty Fingers. Overall the sound is just a bit too soft for my tastes, and outside of the heavy material on here and one surprisingly good AOR tune; I didn't think this was all that amazing. But here are the highlights regardless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDycPo6wt2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MTzNySHIg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTNAxMiavT4

>>127578371
>national acrobat? that riff like repeats 4 times on the album
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath songs have like 4 riffs each what are you talking about?

>>127579022
Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEcdONWfbZw

?

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>>127579241
Eh, it was a good song but I didn't think it went above that. If you're curious here are my ratings for that record.

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Going back to the chart though, I'm wondering whether thrash should be included. Because this isn't exclusively trad metal, it's /trad/ essentials. What do you guys think? Should stuff like KEA be included? Personally I don't see a reason why not, especially if Metal Church will inevitably get on the charts in '84 and '86.

(That and you have an album like Ride the Lightning which is a 50/50 mix of thrash/trad.)

>>127578310
Neil Carter is a real talent, was happy when UFO brought him back after Paul Raymond died.

>>127579022
>>127579249
There's also another track - the original US release had Devil in Her Heart but chopped off the extended guitar solo at the start of Murder in the Skies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i03-HcofCCk&

Also the Victims of the Future single had a non-album B-side instrumental, Blinder, that was the vehicle for Ian Paice's drum solo during the European leg of the tour. Bit of a ripoff of Kill the King, but it's good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRj0Ov3aU3Q&

>>127579249
Reasonable rating(s). Even though I rank Hold on to Love higher, but I love AOR too.

>>127579527
>There's also another track - the original US release had Devil in Her Heart but chopped off the extended guitar solo at the start of Murder in the Skies.
What the fuck man, this is killer! Why the hell was this one cut?
>Also the Victims of the Future single had a non-album B-side instrumental, Blinder, that was the vehicle for Ian Paice's drum solo during the European leg of the tour. Bit of a ripoff of Kill the King, but it's good.
>Bit of a ripoff
The beginning is almost identical to KtK, but after that it becomes its own thing. Good song btw.

>>127578784
>This is like their heaviest song. I tell you when I listened to that album for the first time I was REALLY caught off guard by this one, because it's so fucking crunchy and intricately crafted. It's such an outlier on that album.
Is there anything else like that from george lynch (the guitarist on that song).

>>127579697
Hmm... only song off of the top of my head is the Tooth and Nail title track. But this one isn't as heavy nor as progressive as Mr. Scary is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaAXahz80Pc

Ah fuck I forgot about When Heaven Comes Down, this song is much closer to Mr. Scary than T&N is. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkZ4WG_lPe0

George lynch had his own bands and solo carreer after leaving dokken.

>>127579885
I'm not familiar with any of his other bands so I can't speak on them. I have been meaning to get to the early Lynch Mob albums for a while now, though...

Peace out tradbros, have some classic JP. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHHXLlChOgU (Looped this song like seven times in a row earlier today, I always forget how fucking good Saints in Hell is.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-aYGTMM1FI
Any Skid chuds?

>>127579885
Personally think Lynch mob sucks, Don's solo outing was amazing however sucks it it didn't stick, this was dokken's masterpiece album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCwSdTmUhDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3X_28VXYK4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9yVgQiCg5w

>>127579885
>>127580514
I like the songs and playing on the first two Lynch Mob albums but less his choice in singers - I find Oni Logan jarring (Dio plugged him a few times in the early '90s as "the next Robert Plant", which I don't understand at all) and Robert Mason is technically solid but just uninteresting. I actually like Lynch's first solo album a lot more than either of them - you get Glenn Hughes and Ray Gillen on a few songs and a great Latin instrumental.

https://youtu.be/evWTUqzA3sU?si=4PKhHyuD2BbEFyCp
https://youtu.be/DcXTuNranuo?si=BPw9ACxK-2sZJWth
https://youtu.be/MjZeARdeInc?si=7q0PZvKwOKC_djkw

Any thoughts on twisted sister? Outside their 2 big hits.

>>127581524
I got stay hungry on CD when I was 8 or 9 because it looked heavy. I really like that album, got some doomy sabbathy tracks and it pretty catchy, never bothered with their other albums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVD44sE2KGE

>>127581524
They're okay. I re-listened to Under the Blade at work this week and was reminded the guitar playing was very basic and rock n' rollsy. They were a great live band though. And Dee Snider solo was also fantastic live.

>>127580429
Best song off their debut, love the solo on this one

>>127581524
Stay Hungry is a great album and they have some classics outside of that like Under the Blade, Tear It Loose, The Kids Are Back, and Ride to Live (Live to Ride)

>>127581854
>I got stay hungry on CD when I was 8 or 9 because it looked heavy. I really like that album, got some doomy sabbathy tracks and it pretty catchy, never bothered with their other albums
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVD44sE2KGE

Burn In Hell was good. Nature of the Beast also has similar vibe, but a little bit slower I think. They've got a definite darker vibe than the 2 songs Twisted Sister is known for.

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An otherwise good album that is completely castrated by the vocalist and overproduction. And with how many fucking effects they added on this guy's vocals in post, it starts to sound like -core shit.
Not recommended in the slightest, this was a miserable listen.

>>127584023
>Burn In Hell was good.
Best song off of the record besides the title track imo. Burn in Hell is pretty just US power metal, and I really do wonder what would've happened if Twisted Sister actually went down the route of bands like Manilla Road & Cirith Ungol. Because from that song (plus Destroyer, Horror-Teria & The Beast) they clearly could do that heavy, theatrical style; and do it damn well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHVDUCrHE00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iccKvxl7tuA

>They've got a definite darker vibe than the 2 songs Twisted Sister is known for.
Under the Blade (title track) fits among these as well. It's a pretty freakin' menacing riff for 1982.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDBxiuLrfSA

What are your thoughts on the song from their first album, destroyer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBQGAGkx9bg

The lyrics (and the pace of the song as well) make it feel like a reference/tribute to the song Iron Man.

>>127586219
>What are your thoughts on the song from their first album, destroyer?
I fuckin' love it! It's really doomy, and Dee's vocals are badass.
>The lyrics (and the pace of the song as well) make it feel like a reference/tribute to the song Iron Man.
Yeah I can see it. And the riff+solo at 2:06 also reminds me of a few parts of Hand of Doom.

Bump

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Don't know if anybody's in this thread right now but I went ahead and did the 1983 chart anyways. I decided to add thrash metal, changed my format to be more consistent, and added the following albums:

Accept - Balls to the Wall
Armored Saint - Armored Saint
Krokus - Headhunter (this wasn't recommended at all but it's an underrated release and one of my favorites from 1983)
Metallica - Kill 'Em All
Slayer - Show No Mercy
Warlord - Deliver Us

Cirith Ungol - Frost and Fire
Cirith Ungol - King of the Dead
Those two albums were real revelations to me.

>>127588873
>Cirith Ungol - King of the Dead
Oh you know damn well this is getting on the 1984 chart. Phenomenal album and one that I grew a whole new appreciation for once I stopped getting filtered by the vocals.

>>127576152
I think Pyromania is a good album, but it's also when Def Leppard started to lose what made them great. They completely lost it after Rick Allen's car accident.

>>127589454
>I think Pyromania is a good album
I think it's a great album, actually.
>but it's also when Def Leppard started to lose what made them great.
Is it really though? Sure the production is a lot more sugary than High 'n' Dry but otherwise Pyromania's sound is a logical progression from that album. Melodic hard rock with excellent, catchy hooks.
>They completely lost it after Rick Allen's car accident.
Abso-fucking-lutely. Hysteria may be the next step sonically from the poppiest stuff off Pyromania, but it has none of the style or ANY of the catchy hooks that album does. It's also very... very bloated and just goes on way too goddamned long.

>>127589497
i liked pour some sugar on me.

>>127589673
That song fucking sucks, even ignoring it being overplayed.
- Bad vocals
- Awful hook
- Generic riff
- The most sanitized, sugary production possible.
In my mind there's only ONE good song off of Hysteria, and that's the title track. The rest of that record ranges from average-total garbage.

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The perfect blend of heavy/melodic. And probably the best glam album to be honest, every song here's just fucking great and George Lynch is firing on all cylinders on this record. (Seriously! Listen to the solo on Til the Livin' End, it's madness!) Speaking of that song, am I the only one who thinks that Don would've also made a great power metal vocalist? Obviously that song isn't proper power metal, but it has plenty of elements of the genre and Don's performance on that tune is just incredible and dare I say one of his best vocal performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qY5xG7ovfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEuZIXug0iY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2HwGIbVgY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Oy6XBZuc8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZnCAonuSD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib5KldneotQ

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>>127589896
George Lynch used to say to Don Dokken "why don't you get a real voice?".

And piss in Don's drinks.

And he tried to strangle Don to death once.

>>127590738
>And he tried to strangle Don to death once.
Is THAT why he's called George Lynch?

>>127590866
I think it's the other way around. He tried to strangle Don because he's called George Lynch.

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>>127591211
>He tried to strangle Don because he's called George Lynch.
A prophecy left unfulfilled...

>>127546189
>>127546218
MOR = an album of demo quality recordings sandwiched between their greatest masterpieces

>>127591306
>MOR = an album of demo quality recordings
>demo quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcBFsBt4hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSSEzWXqGKY
Right... whatever you say, anon.
>between their greatest masterpieces
In what fucking world is Vol. 4 better than MOR or Sabotage? It's a good album but it is NOT on par with any of their other classic albums.

>>127590738
>George Lynch used to say to Don Dokken "why don't you get a real voice?".
>And piss in Don's drinks.
>And he tried to strangle Don to death once.
Weirder shit has happened with rockstars, but can I get a source for this?

Peace out tradbros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OWwgGYhsBs=

>>127590738
This seems to be made up

>>127594958
This thread was so close to finally dying a natural death.
>This seems to be made up
Knowing how antagonistic and bitter George and Don are with each other, I wouldn't doubt it.

>>127542374
Barry Gibb sings metal

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Before listening to a bunch of new material, do you listen to a warmup album? Picrel is usually my choice, but I also spring for Queensryche's debut EP a lot of the time.

>>127548569
def hearing some Sad Wings homage in this one. https://youtu.be/swiKkmcHxHY

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Pretty good album but only one real standout on offer with the last song. Comparable in sound to other Swedish trad bands of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdpFBljwL44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I745AvXwsWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzqYg-YAR1c

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>>127591659
>>127594958
It's from a Don Dokken interview in Sweden Rock Magazine #96.

>>127595803
Sweden is so cringe and disgusting.

>>127595808
Remember the four letters: I, K, E, and A.

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You know the drill. My favorites in the top row, while everything else is suggested by everyone ITT. And since these charts are supposed to be representative of all of us, I'm only adding albums that have two or more votes.

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Wrote this song over the last few weeks to honor the fallen king

Prince of Darkness Eternal

Ozzy, the world still trembles when I say your name,
The air feels emptier, never the same.
You weren’t just a singer, you were the night,
A broken angel bathed in stage-light.

Your voice was cracked, yet holy and true,
Every word you sang cut straight through.
Through chaos and laughter, through stumble and fall,
You were the heartbeat that carried us all.

[Chorus]
When Ozzy died, the world cried,
Every lost soul was unified.
When Ozzy died, the world cried,
We mourned our father, our friend, our guide.

The Crazy Train still runs in my veins,
Your shadow lingers, your spirit remains.
So fragile, so wild, so strangely divine,
A prince of darkness who felt like mine.

[Bridge]
I whisper your name when the lights go low,
Ozzy, my hero, I can’t let go.
You showed me madness, you showed me grace,
I see forever in your weathered face.

[Chorus – softer, then desperate]
When Ozzy died, the world cried,
The angels wept, the demons sighed.
When Ozzy died, the world cried,
But in our hearts, you never died.

Raise your horns, let sorrow flow,
Ozzy eternal — we can’t let go.

>>127596151
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Queensrÿche - The Warning
Judas Priest - Defender of the Faith
Dio - The Last in Line
Manowar - Hail to England

>>127596210
You just reminded me I still need to listen to more Manowar. I downloaded Into Glory Ride the other day but forgot to listen to it desu

>>127595803
>It's from a Don Dokken interview in Sweden Rock Magazine #96.
post a scan of the article

>>127596210
hail to england is good.

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>>127596370
I'll count that as a vote in favor of HtE so that album's added.

>>127596191
Second verse is a throw away but the rest is cool nonetheless. Personally, id opt to allude more of his prior works/words like you did on the second verse, then you could even get away with stealing a better rhyme under the guise of homage

>>127596447
3rd verse*
spinning the Wheels of Confusion while im at it lol

>>127596191
>The Crazy Train still runs in my veins,
>Your shadow lingers, your spirit remains.
>So fragile, so wild, so strangely divine,
>A prince of darkness who felt like mine.
You got a bit too indulgent with this verse, I'd nix it and come up with something else.

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>>127596355
You can translate the big text in the top right by yourself and see.

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>>127596355
>>127596589
And here's the strangle story:

>Don Dokken claims he has better things to do than talk about George Lynch, but once you get him started, he can talk forever. The singer turns into a candy machine with a mechanical claw.
>You insert a token—that is, mention George Lynch by name—and it automatically pulls out a bizarre story from Don's inner darkness.

>Many involve physical violence. For a while, Don felt so threatened by his guitarist that he placed a pocket knife and a can of pepper spray on the drum riser before every concert. Otherwise, he didn't dare perform.

>"George threatened to come to my binge in the middle of the night and try to strangle me. Which he did. During the last concert we ever did together, he strangled me until I almost lost consciousness. It was his son who finally pulled him away. The whole band just sat there. I said, ‘You weren't going to come to my rescue, were you?’ Jeff sat there. Mick sat there. The roadies too. No one said anything. ‘Okay, thanks, guys.’ That was the last time I ever played with George.

>The harassment didn't just happen backstage, but also on stage. As soon as Don turned his back on the guitarist, he could count on a glob of spit landing between his shoulder blades. The wardrobe girl had to spend a lot of time washing Don's stage clothes to get George's saliva out.

>>127596651
>And it was not uncommon for the drinks in the dressing room to be spiked with urine.
When I entered the dressing room and raised my glass to my mouth, Mick would grab me and say, “No, you don't want to drink that, Don.” “What do you mean?” “Just let me mix you a new drink instead.” And then George would get angry because Mick had said something. I wondered what was going on, and Mick whispered, ‘George pissed in your drink. And then stirred it with his dick.’ Five minutes later, we had to go on stage and look happy. I was extremely pissed off at George. Everyone wondered why Don looked so pissed off on stage. Well, because I was fucking pissed off.

>>127596589
where did you view this?

>>127596692
What do you mean?

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Absolutely OBLITERATES any other Manowar album I've heard. One of the coolest albums checked out in a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHHpcapauo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW3YDPb0TmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fdEdazNCjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVsuvfrp15M (Candlemass before that band made any music.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m5lJcG6gkM

>>127596191
this fucking guy, was that chatgpt or did you actually write that drivel

>>127596823
Secret of steel is probably one of manowar's best songs. Top 5 or at least top 10.
Actually showcasing DeMaio's bass skills.

>>127597241
>Secret of steel is probably one of manowar's best songs.
I'm inclined to agree, though my favorites off of that LP were Hatred and Revelation (Death's Angel).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts5ynU8xeus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFKT_6gbejM
Posting some underrated kinonium metal

Listen to this song NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic73UQfheII

>>127597343
Vocalist sounds like a worse Rock 'n' Rolf from Running Wild.

>>127597421
I hear it, yeah. Most of the music off of this LP is also very reminiscent of early Pretty Maids, particularly Red, Hot and Heavy.
But Dark Side is too fucking killer of a song for me to care. :P