What material and social factors explain why it’s so hard for nepo babies to gain respect in hip hop?Modern pop culture has formed a weird obsession with the spawn of Porky AKA nepo babies and rich kids. I remember how much the Hilton sisters and a handful of other porky spawn were everywhere in the mid-2000s. Granted, that was a time when American culture was pretty right-wing overall and the general public enjoyed admiring rich socialites who did nothing but look pretty for the paparazzi. Today, the nepo baby obsession is everywhere. It seems like every other Hollywood movie or TV series stars at least one descendant of a famous star.The music industry is largely the same way. The reoccurring joke is that your favourite indie artists all have parents whose names are highlighted in blue on Wikipedia. Pop music, rock, and R&B are full of nepo babies. But the one genre that seems immune from this is rap. Nepo babies in rap/hip hop get zero respect, and the ones who are respected (like Rob Banks and Lil Tracy) are only popular in the underground with no mainstream hits to speak of. Meanwhile, Jaden Smith, Diddy’s son, and TI’s son have been clowned to death for attempting to further their father’s legacies. So what explains this?https://youtube.com/watch?v=-hyn3_ZwIJg
>>127565382dam that lil nigga is like 7 now crazy how people will only ever know him for the jokes about his circumsision
>>127565414Gekyume is six and hella exploited by his mother.
>>127565414https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKk27jyRc7r/
>>127565382Hip hop doesn’t respect suburban kids either. You’re talking about an art firm that used to be entirely specific to kids in the ghetto. They sampled because they couldn’t afford instruments. Why would hip hop respect rich kids like Gekyume who paid their way into the culture? Fuck that.
Black people have an almost impossible time acquiring intergenerational wealth to begin with.What makes you think they can easily build dynasties in rap?
>>127565635Then explain why faggots like Jack Harlowe and that other white faggot are so popular
>>127565702Jack Harlowe fell off hard.
>>127565382Ice Cube’s son seems to be doing just fine.
>>127565782because people see him and think he is actually Ice Cube
>>127565782He’s an actor, not a rapper.
Imagine people only wanting to talk to you to ask about your dad who you have no memory of.
>>127565382Hip hop’s entire appeal is rags-to-riches stories.
>>127565382The people who unironically believe Gekyume will be a rapper are fucking retarded.In hip hop, you’re expected to be authentic. Every single word in your rhymes is supposed to come from your mind and your mind only. That’s why rappers get so much shit when it’s discovered they use ghostwriters. Nepo babies like Gekyume are the polar opposite of this. These kids have been groomed from birth to be culturally relevant people. They grew up surrounded by industry people (or people with affiliations to industry people) and already had managers and marketers crafting their image, style, and sound before they started making music. They never had to create tor develop their own unique style or musical sound on their own. Gekyume is a child Fashion Nova model already, right? He’s already signed to a talent agency. He and these other hip hop nepo babies like Jaden Smith were born with their feet firmly planted in the door. That’s industry shit not soul-of-the-culture shit.
>>127565562Jesus fucking a Christ that’s cruel.
>>127565915When people look at this kid they don’t see “Gekyume”, they see “X”. That’s all they want from him, to mourn for his dad.
>>127566282can't imagine typing this many words about a literal who's rapper's son
>>127565382Not music
>>127565635>They sampled because they couldn’t afford instruments.LMAO
>>127566495He’s a notable kid influencer at this point.
>>127565382Why should a culture made up of poor kids accept rich kids?
>>127565382Pretty sure Jaden was only clowned for being corny not because he’s a nepo baby.
>>127566495>zoomer who never read a book doesn’t like reading wow.
>>127567144He’s corny BECAUSE he’s a nepo baby.
think about it: 100 gecyumes
>>127566282>believing hip hop is “authentic” in the current year>bring this blind to the fact half of all big rappers today are blatant industry plants
>>127565382>>127566282All they need to do is make good music.
>>127565562People who abuse children like this deserve the firing squad.
My only question is: what kind of stupid name is Gekyume?
>>127565382Sons are not their fathers
>>127568039It means “the next universe of thought”. Basically, this kid was named “paradigm shift”.
>>127565382desu if anything Jaden was a victim of his parents trying to get him into the limelight way too soon before he was ready, kind of interesting how people have done a 180 on jaden in the last several years or so. Just in general of course, Will wasn't a big rap presence anyways.
>>127565437>GekyumeIf I was in middle school with this kid, I'd call him Gay Cum.
>>127568103I’m a 90s kid and remember Will’s music being played everywhere. Arcades, roller rinks, Chuck E Cheeses, etc. Funny enough, Diddy’s music was also played all the time at those venues.
>>127568039>>127568380Rich elites often times give their kids unusual or “nonsense” names as a flex; because they’re trying to show that they’re privileged and wealthy enough to shield their children from stigma. Same reason Grimes and Elon named their kids Aphex Twin song titles.
>>127568539Forgot to add, compare this to Black parents who frequently get ridiculed for giving their kids “ghetto” names (even if the names sound beautiful) or immigrant parents who get shit for giving their kids ethnic names that sound odd in English but are commonly used in their home cultures.
>>127565382Hip hop is the last field where respect is earned rather than simply given.
>>127566282>In hip hop, you’re expected to be authentic. Every single word in your rhymes is supposed to come from your mind and your mind only. That’s why rappers get so much shit when it’s discovered they use ghostwriters.Bro, where have you been? Every single rapper (yes, including your boys Kendrick and Eminem) use ghostwriters. Now that AI is a thing you know in the next few years about half of all rap lyrics will be AI generated. There is no more authenticity in rap and it hasn't been that way ever since the genre went commercial.
>>127565382what exactly can a rich kid rap about? 'been a millionaire parasite since birth aye aye aye[
>>127565382Kanye is already trying to get his daughter North a career in music. Let's see how that goes.
>>127566859Most rappers from the past 15 years didn't grow up poor. It's not the 90s anymore.
>>127565702What? Most white rappers are a laughing stock.
>>127565382>Modern pop culture has formed a weird obsession with the spawn of Porky AKA nepo babies and rich kids. I remember how much the Hilton sisters and a handful of other porky spawn were everywhere in the mid-2000s. Granted, that was a time when American culture was pretty right-wing overall and the general public enjoyed admiring rich socialites who did nothing but look pretty for the paparazzi. Today, the nepo baby obsession is everywhere. It seems like every other Hollywood movie or TV series stars at least one descendant of a famous star.>The music industry is largely the same way. The reoccurring joke is that your favourite indie artists all have parents whose names are highlighted in blue on Wikipedia. Pop music, rock, and R&B are full of nepo babiesMost people don't have the time to become a full time influencer.Being the child of a revered person gives you a competetive edge in social media nonsense.Who cares though?
>>127565382>What material and social factors explain why it’s so hard for nepo babies to gain respect in hip hop?>But the one genre that seems immune from this is rap. Nepo babies in rap/hip hop get zero respect, and the ones who are respected (like Rob Banks and Lil Tracy) are only popular in the underground with no mainstream hits to speak of. Meanwhile, Jaden Smith, Diddy’s son, and TI’s son have been clowned to death for attempting to further their father’s legacies. >So what explains this?Because, whether you want to admit it or not, blacks have an extreme crabs in a bucket mentality. Seeing another black man come from wealth is infuriating to them. That's why every black man who starts making money not only leaves the hood but leaves their hometown. More money equals more enemies.Spend some time in the hood if you don't believe me. Kids will rob and kill each other over a pair of sneakers. The kid from the suburbs who grew up with money gets robbed and killed first the minute he steps in the ghetto. Now imagine a rich kid born to famous parents. How do you think he will be treated if he enters the hood?
>>127568039X made up a fake word to sound like Japanese.
>>127567183TL:DR has been a thing for far longer than zoomers, newfag. Kys
>>127566282>They grew up surrounded by industry people (or people with affiliations to industry people) and already had managers and marketers crafting their image, style, and sound before they started making music.What "industry people" is Gekyume growing up around?
>>127567183huh? the point wasn't about reading or length, it was the fact that someone has that much knowledge/information about such a stupid fucking thing.are you 12? can you not understand basic context?
>>127565382Rap still respects genuine talent and knows who the fakes are. You can't piggyback off your family name in rap like you can in indie rock.
>>127565382>So what explains this?since NWA, rap is entirely based on Horatio Alger stories: the street rat who made ityou have to be 'street' to have any credibility.there are no Horatio Alger stories about alread rich guys who made it.that's not interestingthe audience wants to believe the stories and attitude are real (even though they're 85% made-up bullshit, and 14% true-ish but super-exaggerated)having influential relatives makes that impossible, therefore undesirable
>>127571308>Rap still respects genuine talentmost rap fans have absolute shit tier taste in everything and especially their own music. Who are you fooling? Kendrick is literally pretentious NPC tier music for example yet he's lauded as an "artist"And who's piggybacking off of their family name in indie rock?
A lot of rappers like OP's pic are hated by the general public so people don't want their kids to thrive
>>127565382Chris Rivers (Big Pun's son) was doing well for a while. Not sure what he's doing lately.Ghostface Killah's son his been rhyming with his father since like '04. He was featured on Surprme Clientele 2
>>127565382>glassesNerd
>>127565382People are actually stupid, and can't think for themselves even if their lives depended on it. They just can't listen to some track and think: "well, I like this, because of this and that and that other thing." or even "I don't really like this because of this and that and this other thing." They are stupid, that is how things roll, so if being born rich is what the media is shilling, they will love it, if it isn't, they will hate it.
>>127565382Black people are so desperate for intergenerational wealth that they push their kids into shoebox careers before the kid has any real experience or training. Dynasty-building only works if your kids and grandkids are good enough to carry the torch.
>>127574126Bruh, have you listened to the last Sabrina Carpenter album? It is fucking shit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCNr2iCgSPsNot even joking, what the fuck is this?
>>127574126Relevant:https://www.instagram.com/reel/DN7xavjj2d_/?igsh=cDYxbWNtYXo2NWpz
>>127574175Doesn’t have any relation to my argument.
>>127574353Most of it is bullshit. How some nepobaby that has a shit ton of money at his disposal could possibly make something worse than that shit?
>>127574451Non-sequitur
>>127574631>they push their kids into shoebox careers before the kid has any real experience or training. Dynasty-building only works if your kids and grandkids are good enough to carry the torch.Stop being a faggot and post some fucking example of something made by those kids that you think that is worse than that crap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmc8q2dcIMsI'm not even saying that this is good. I think it has a lot of problems, but it is absolutely not worse than that crap.
>>127566282>In hip hop, you’re expected to be authenticLOL
>>127566282You’re forgetting Jah had a lot of respect in hip hop when he was alive. When Gekyume decides to rap you can be sure Kendrick and Kanye will be some of the first to offer to work with him. It’s not like Will Smith and Jaden where Will was a pop rapper no one took seriously. Jah changed the lives of millions of kids and was the voice of his generation. Gekyume was destined from birth to carry on his father’s legacy and people with respect in hip hop will sign up to help him do that.
>>127574885Fan fiction
>>127565562No one is going to talk about how child influencing is child labour? Jenesis makes money from having Gekyume make content for her IG page.
>>127574860This is exactly what I'm talking about, it isn't as bad as other shit out there, because they have money to spend on production and other stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kJEdqgU1LILook at this. It is better than that. The song is ok, but the lyrics are missing something. It is absolutely better than that other song.
>>127575048And why hasn’t Jaden had a successful career? Why is he considered a laughing stock if his music is superior to the slop charting high on Billboard today?
>>127574885So they’re giving this kid sympathy votes?
>>127565382Your typical black boy in America doesn’t know who his father is, so black culture never grew around nepotism the way white culture did.
>>127574175>>127574697>>127575048You 100% posted this just to bash on Sabrina.
>>127575120Well, it is like what that other anon said. He is still missing something, but his first video was from 7 years ago, and it was like a kid trying to punch an adult. Now, he is a grown up, and he definitely got a lot of shit figured out. The problem is that he wants to get into hip hop, there are tons of other artists out there. This is part of the reason why it is hard for him to make it. And that he has to find what is he doing in it, not something that he wrote like it is some chore that it was just because. I don't think he ever got obsessed over something and wrote a lyric about it, it will probably happen eventually. This was something that I remember seeing a lot of rappers talking about it. Going almost fucking nuts over some shit and writing and writing and writing. He will probably get to that eventually.
>>127575169They also abort their children at an extremely high rate.https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNAArGDinxx/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbFKC3xySMwCan’t believe Freddie Gibbs wanted his pornstar gf to kill their child in the womb though. He has like 10 other kids, right?
>>127575186Yes, I did, but I would rather listen to his songs than hers. And it is not even like a genre thing, because I would be ok with Taylor Swift, Katy Perry and whatever.
>>127575199>The problem is that he wants to get into hip hopThis is EXACTLY what OP was talking about, idiot. Nepo babies succeed in every other genre except hip hop/rap.
>>127575169https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGpzGu9Yp6YAre you telling me that this banger isn't fucking great?
>>127575238Damian Marley isn’t a rapper.
>>127574885Gekyume will only ever be seen as a rich kid paying his way into a culture he has nothing to do with, exactly like Jaden. Gek is expected to inherit at least $10 million the moment he turns 18. No one in rap respects that.
>>127575233If they start making good songs, they will succeed, anon. It is somewhat that simple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9-eKhCukW8Do you think this dude didn't thought about the things in this lyrics hundreds if not thousands of times? It is all about being obsessed about something.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmc8q2dcIMsAnd this song which I don't even think it is that good made to almost 200 million views. He is making better songs now, I don't think he won't make it, honestly.
>>127575251>>127575272https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJFjXtHcy4No one cares about that shit, get off your high horse, dude. Rap is mainstream since 2000s 2010s.
>>127575299Still though. Why does his sister Willow have a much more successful career than him, when she’s doing indie rock and he’s doing rap?It IS the genre.
>>127575894shes a female
>>127575905Doesn’t mean much.
>>127575212>42% of babies killed in abortions are blackI recall Ye saying it was over 60%.>Freddie GibbsHe’s always high af so chances are he wasn’t thinking straight.
>>127575016They don’t care. All they want is to see Gekyume.
>>127566282Lemme guess, you’re in grad school for gender studies, right?
>>127575894https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTMIH5gCHgHer songs are better and so is her voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKdjwaRAwOIThis more interesting than that generic Sabrina Carpenter crap and it is exactly what I'm talking about. She has money to try things and she doesn't have to actually make it because she is already rich, so she can take risks and find things that she is into. Look at how different this is from that song from 3 years ago.
>>127576236dude willow stfu
>>127576236Not rap and therefore irrelevant to this thread.
>>127576243>>127576246That shit ain't indie rock. Are you deaf?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyxMbLubdFwThis like R&B meets Bossa Nova.
Total Nepo Baby DeathGuillotine anyone inheriting over $5 million.
>>127576271Yeah, not rap. Therefore irrelevant to IP’s question about why nepo babies in hip hop fail so hard.
>>127576292OP not IP
>>127576292I think it has to do with LARPing vs being authentic plus the kind of audience that actually listen to that. Because in the end, what is most hip hop songs all about?
>>127576329Elaborate. No one expects you to be authentic in any other genre aside from rap and punk. Even R&B stars get away with being privileged kids from birth (Whitney Houston was a nepo baby after all). But in rap it’s not a good look to be born into privilege. No one will take your rhymes about being hard or having some kind of deep street knowledge seriously.So yeah, fuck Gekyume.
>>127576423Because you are actually selling dreams to people. Their wisdom or anything doesn't really matter, dudes want to listen to things that they can emulate in some way. So if you are a dude that was some broke nigga and managed to get rich by rhyming, people will want to listen to you to be like you. This is a thing that is definitely different from US hip hop to Brazilian hip hop, because here a lot of hip hop lyrics are about crime and stuff like that, but most of them end badly, dudes in lyrics almost always end up dead, so no one wants to be like them. But Brazilian funk in some ways got inspired by this gangsta hip hop and this started being a thing.Their message doesn't really matter, you could get fucking Jesus to rap about things and rhyme and say things about whatever. No one wants to be Jesus, bro. No one would bother listening to him, because people don't want to die in a cross. People are more worried about the artist life than the message itself. I did notice this in discourse in general, this isn't a thing exclusive in song lyrics or just a rap thing, this is something general.
>>127576523Okay. Doesn’t really answer OP’s question.
>>127576552How it doesn't answer it? It is exactly what I said.
>>127576590Yes. Others were saying that exact thing ITT. That rappers are expected to be authentic whereas artists in other genres aren’t.
>>127576552People who listen to rap aren’t born rich. They want to become rich and look to famous rappers who got out of the ghetto by rapping as inspiration. They won’t want to listen to a kid who was born rich bragging about how his dead dad’s money bought him a Lamborghini at age 16 or how his gold digger mom took him to Tokyo and Dubai.
>>127576685No no no, it has nothing to do with being authentic. It has to be relatable. People can't possibly relate to some rich dude because he is poor, that is the whole point. They can't possibly emulate any of that. In the end, gangsta rap is probably mostly about LARPing, and they have to feel like it would actually work irl. So it has to be someone who made out of the hood or that it looks like they are going to make it.This is why they always use shit like a bunch of dollar bills or some shit to draw the attention of people, so that they think like: "I can be a piss poor dude and get money too if I get into that".I'm not saying that it is all that and no substance, but that is the foundation of it. Without that, there is no way you can sustain anything on top of it.
>>127576761Correct. And someone like Gekyume who was born with a fucking platinum diamomd-covered spoon in his mouth will never be relatable to the average hip hop fan.
>>127565382Coi Leray is successful but she’s much more of a pop star than a rapper.
>>127576781I don' t think it is that simple, because it is not like you can' t write about the human condition and that those things aren' t relatable to everyone, but considering the general formula of it, and how most songs are made. Yes, you are absolutely right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKMtZm2YuBEConsider this, it is a song about losing someone. It is easily relatable to basically everyone.
it's a better story when someone becomes extremely successful from poverty, or a lot more hip hop fans seem to like that story
>>127576781X fans think Gekyume will be a lyrical miracle rapper like Kendrick or Nas. You don’t need a hood come up story for that.
>>127576874Bruh, one of the main appeals of lyrical miracle rappers is the street prophet trope, that they acquired deep wisdom from living through oppression and material hardship.
>>127576951>i read about hip hop on wikipedia and know a lot about itshut up
>>127577030No? I’m in my mid 30s and grew up listening to conscious rap. I know exactly what I’m talking about. Rich kids LARPing as beacons of wisdom is corny and kind of insulting to the audience.
it's like that in every genre. Taylor Swift initially faked being a poor country girl until she realized that was dum.
Vanilla Ice was trailer trash from Florida yet he still became a punchline.
>>127577056you're oversimplifying if you've even listened to hip hop as much as you say you have
>>127565382that was because of late 2000s economic crash. it was cheaper to hire relatives of already existing celebrities than scout for new talent.
>>127577094Explain it then.
>>127577188he is talking about rap from a surface level, like someone who says that all rap made after 2015 is trap or mumble rap. also why should I explain HIS comment?
if YOU don't want ME to post about hip hop, i will leave
>>127565382Their music is usually trash.
>>127577115The nepo baby craze in Hollywood only began like 10 years ago.
>>127565382>>127566282Hip hop is a genre that grew out of the struggles of Black and Latino youth. It was never supposed to be the property of rich kids.Besides, what the hell will Gekyume rap about? How much his mom spoiled him as a kid?
>>127565382Anyone who makes their kid “gay cum” deserves to be electrocuted.
>>127578448It’s owned and controlled by rich kids, babe.
>>127565382What does a rich brat have to rap about?
>>127579110Something about people being a bunch of humongous faggots and won't listen to their songs because they are rich or some stupid crap. If I was rich and wanted to start rapping, I would make songs shitting on everything and everyone.
>>127579110How they’re superior to everyone else because they were born rich and inherited millions of dollars on their 18th birthday.
>>127579150This is literally what most American rappers write about. How the fuck is that any different? >inb4 they had to do it from scratchDude, being a successful artist is like winning a lottery ticket. Cut this bullshit. Most of modern US rap songs are garbage.
>>127579172Being born with privilege vs acquiring privilege due to talent are two very different things.
>>127579195Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that people don't have to do shit and that they can sit on their ass and get results. But look, consider being really good at sports, do you think that anyone has any control over that? They are just born that way, and someone finds them out and they start training and if they are actually really good, they make a lot of money. This is what I'm talking about, it is like winning a lottery ticket. Just like being born rich. And it is the same with being an artist. If someone is good at something and they have the means to do it, why wouldn't they do the fucking thing? This is why I did post that some people here in this thread aren't listening to the songs, they want the dreams. They don't care about content, they want hope, they want something that they can relate and possibly imitate. That is the main difference with other genres. Is that people who are fans of other genres care more about what they are listening to more than who they are listening to. If it is good, it is good.
>>127575016who?
>>127579412Jenesis = XXXtensioncord's baby mamaShe's a clout whore and terrible person overall.
>>127569456>Now that AI is a thing you know in the next few years about half of all rap lyrics will be AI generated.Yeah maybe pop rappers and industry plants.
Maybe not nepo babies, but a ton of rappers get by with connections. Baby Keem and Kendrick, Young Nudy and 21, Dungeon Family... I think you just need to first appear authentic on your own, not just try to blatantly ride the coattails of someone more famous.
>>127580669Having connections is pretty much how the majority of notable artists get big. Huge difference between that and being the child of someone rich and famous.
>>127578448>>127579110>Besides, what the hell will Gekyume rap about? >What does a rich brat have to rap about?In Gekyume's case, everyone wants to hear him rap about how much he misses his dad, even though X died when Gekyume was still an embryo.
>>127574126This. This is it.Black people remain marginalized and oppressed in America largely due to their inability to acquire intergenerational wealth. If you look at American history, you'll notice that certain ethnic groups that were previously not considered "white" (such as the Irish, Italians, Poles, Greeks, Ashkenazi Jews, Finns, Armenians, etc.) only gained whiteness once they began acquiring intergenerational wealth. Home ownership post-WWII was a big factor in this. So, in the minds of a lot of Black folks, having loads of money and passing that money down to your kid so your kid can become successful and make even more money is a really big deal. Will Smith made money so Jaden and Willow could be guaranteed careers. Beyoncé and Jay-Z made all that money so Blue Ivy could be guaranteed a career. Gekyume's mom is using the money from XXXtentacion's estate to guarantee he has a career. See what I mean? White people take this shit for granted when it's huge for Black people since it's been denied to them for so long.
>>127574126The only Black celebrities trying to "build dynasties" by pushing their mediocre kids are the ones with massive egos like Diddy.
>>127565382>Modern pop culture has formed a weird obsession with the spawn of Porky AKA nepo babies and rich kids.I don't see this at all. If anything, there's a nepo baby backlash.
>>127571047Protip: if he's already making videos with known YouTubers and streamers he's technically working with industry people."The industry" doesn't mean "Hollywood" anymore. It also means notable online personalities, all of whom are signed to talent agencies and have managers. Hell, Jenesis Sanchez (Gekyume's mother) has admitted she already has a manager, and you can be sure Gekyume is under this person's management as well.
>>127565635hehe imagine thinking this kind of shit.. actual ghetto nigs are a minority in rap.. they're all middle class or propped up by some jew and some gangsta ass sprinkled in for street cred.
>>127575169This wasn't the case until the 1980s when the CIA used multiple methods to destroy Black families and communities, one of them being the crack epidemic.
