Why did blacks just do nothing with rock music immediately after inventing it? The only relevant black rock musicians post-50s are Jimi Hendrix and Love.>inb4 thinly veiled /pol/ threadI appreciate their contributions to music and didn't even question the fact that they essentially invented rock music, I'm just curious why they moved on to other genres like funk, soul, hip-hop etc. instead of developing their brainchild
>>127636365White people ruined it so they had to move on. Rinse and repeat
Maybe because they didn't
>>127636365Because they never invented it. A small group tried it and realized (like everything else) their inferiority to white rockers.
They realized they couldn't compete with whitey
>>127636365Josh Homme is the white Jimi Hendrix
>>127636365Any answer you could possibly get to that question belongs in /pol/, ergo this is a /pol/ thread
>>127636406Would explain why rap is still around. Only a couple of white guys did it and one of them is the GOAT, Eminem
>>127636365No magic to it, black music just moved towards smooth soul and funk in the 60s onward.
>>127636426>ergo
>>127636504>greatest soul singerBoz Skaggs>greatest funk bandGrand Funk Railroad>sadIndeed
>>127636365They didn't invent it. Why do you fall for memes? There's a reason why they didn't continue it. They invented blues. Rock owes a lot to it, but rock isn't the blues itself. Rock will incorporate everything from blues to classical. It will borrow mushroom induced garden gnome tunes too, if it existed. Rock is the great thief and co-opter of everyone. Even things that don't exist. And improves them all.
>>127636365They didn't invent rock, they invented the ancestors of rock, that is blues and R&B. Rock is an offshoot of that, black people continued making R&B into the '90s.
>>127636382>White people ruined it so they had to move on. Rinse and repeatIs this what "antiracism" is? You just sound like an average segregationist.
>we wuz kangz
>>127636426/pol/ here, this faggot nigger is correct
>>127636365cuz you dont wanna make music in a genre filled with white devils, you want a genre thats meant solely for you and your people because only your people have SOUL, thus soul music and soul foodlil nigga stay woke
>>127636365They made assloads of great R&B, the same set of instruments as rock + horns
>>127636582You can't be racist to white people>>127636811This, Elvis and Buddy Holly killed Rock n Roll and everything that came after is objectively terrible imitations of Chuck Berry
>>127636824
When was rock music invented? When electric guitars were invented?
>>127637011Blumpf was mentored and groomed by the legendary fag roy cohn, probably even exchanged some handies
>>127636824Weak bait.
>>127637034>roy cohnhe looks so evil it's insane
>>127636365posting in a /pol/ thread
>>127636382so the gerne that sold billions of records would sell twice as much if whites never "ruined" it?
white people copied it and then played it with a white face so they outsold them in sales and then they had to pivot to playing r&b for their segregated black audience.
>>127637109>>127637034>>127637011not music>>>/pol/
>>127636365>White people ruined it so they had to move on. Rinse and repeat>>127636582>You can't be racist to white people>>127636811>This, Elvis and Buddy Holly killed Rock n Roll and everything that came after is objectively terrible imitations of Chuck Berry
>>127639294>>127639244
>>127639701it sold billions because whites used to be majority buying audience
>>127636820>>127636365Soul music > Rock musicIsley Brothers discography mogs all Rock music combined.
>>127639836Based
>>127639244Yes? What do sales have anything to do with quality you absolute fucking moron?
Funk was good as far as bands like parliament go
>>127640165You really believe no white rock musician has ever produced anything good? Even the ones that black artist praise?
>>127636811>cuz you dont wanna make music in a genre filled with white devils, you want a genre thats meant solely for you and your people because only your people have SOUL, thus soul music and soul foodYou live in America you dont have soulThese posts read like a caricature, like trying too hard
>>127639836>Isley Brothers discography mogs all Rock music combined.Lol, pure filler. Only good for sampling
>>127636365Because it was stolen from them
>>127639734>>127639244
>>127640165so if whites never "ruined" rock and blacks kept doing it and it sold billions that wouldn't matter whatsoever because sales have nothing to do with anything?
>>127641803Somehow it wasn't stolen from either Jimi Hendrix or Love who are both essential rock acts of the 60s.
>>127641946>Love>essential
>>127642003>Forever Changes was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 2008[72] and added to the National Recording Registry in 2011.[73] Rolling Stone ranked it number 180 on its 2020 list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.[74] The album was also included in Robert Christgau's "Basic Record Library" of 1950s and 1960s recordings, published in Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies (1981).[75] It was voted number 12 in Colin Larkin's All Time Top 1000 Albums 3rd Edition (2000).[76] In 2013, NME ranked the album number 37 on their list of The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time. Publishers such as AllMusic[77] and Slant Magazine[78] have praised the album as well. In a 2005 survey held by British television's Channel 4, the album was ranked 83rd in the 100 greatest albums of all time.[79] The album was included in the 2005 book 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die.[80]>According to NME, the Stone Roses' relationship with their future producer John Leckie was settled when they all agreed that Forever Changes was the "best record ever".[81] Robert Plant is an admirer of the album.[82]
>>127636365because white rockers made it too hard for blacks to be relevant in rock at that point. White people might not have invented rock but they mastered it in a way that blacks would have never even imagined.
>>127636365Slash is half black, does he count?
>>127636365some black rock innovators / influences / or just cool musicians post-50s separated by genrehardcore / emo:>bad brains>yaphet kotto>matt davis (the vidablue / ten grand) RIP>shawn brown (dag nasty, swiz)>carley coma (candiria)>chaka malik (orange 9mm)>moe watson (shai hulud, raising kubrick)indie rock:>tv on the radio>kele okereke (bloc party)>che arthur (atombombpocketknife)shoegaze:>ar kanemetal:>living colour>tosin abasi (animals as leaders)anons feel free to add to this, im def blanking
>>127636365https://old.reddit.com/r/LetsTalkMusic/comments/oymvex/why_do_you_think_black_people_largely_abandoned/
>>127636365All black music is basic dance music. It never gets much deeper than that until white people get involved
>>127642362yes, he is the world best guitarrist according to Gitar Hero 3 Legends of Rckgame said it, therfore i believe it
White people take black music and master it. Just look at the Bee Gees, took soul and perfected it's sound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpqqjU7u5YcAll that great 70s black music and a white group did it better
>>127642589https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6iBAuwBODA
>>127639332>Buddy HollyThe nerdy guy? or the weezer song?
>>127642505it gets pretty deep actually, dance music lets them signal sexual compatability which gets them deep inside of women
>>127642986The actual musician Buddy Holly who stole rock music from Black people
>>127636365OP i think you're talking about hard rock specifically, as if soul & funk arent forms of rock. Black people weren't as weird and masochistic about religion back then as white people were, so they never felt the need to take rock in that direction. It stayed closer to the blues.
>I went to the Apollo as a white person who grew up on black music but has related primarily to white music for years. My problem is that I enjoy white music less and less. Only recently have I found myself enjoying black music more and more, but I figure it's about time. After all, just about any white popular music worth hearing owes a large debt to black music.>If you happen to be black, you probably agree, but if you're white this assertion may make you uncomfortable. Black music is okay, but it's not your thing. You gave at the office, and now you'd like to sit home and enjoy your stereo in peace. Believe me, I understand. For most of the Nixon era I've tried to stay with black music, but it's been a struggle. In my current mood, however, I find myself returning excitedly to records I once dismissed, overlooking their gaffes and marveling at the success of experiments that used to seem dubious.>To me, this feels like virtue rewarded. I always considered my struggle with black music awkwardly moralistic, the white guilt trip, but as usual the real issue turned out to be aesthetic. To be blunt, black music is better. The apparent strength of white music in whatever present always seems to deteriorate. Stephen Collins Foster preferred his sentimental ballads to his "Ethiopian songs," and Paul Whiteman thought that he was doing the Muse a favor by whitening the "discordant jazz, which sprang into existence . . . from nowhere in particular," but we remember "My Old Kentucky Home," not "Poor Drooping Maiden," and listen to King Oliver while relegating Whiteman's music to the gramophone museum.
>This time, though it really seemed as if we'd escaped fate. Only a year ago, the white rock fan who dismissed what was judiciously referred to as "the soul sounds"--as if only a stylistic preference, not a race or a culture, was involved--had some credible arguments. We know the wheezing pop of the early '50s was cured by that shot of rhythm-and-blues because R&B was realistic instead of sentimental, idiosyncratic instead of mass-produced, free of show biz nonsense, and rooted in a genuine community. But by the late '60s it was soul music, which was to R&B and gospel what black power was to civil rights, that seemed unrealistic, artificial and showy, although the paradox was that it sounded worst when it tried to assimilate white modes. The excesses of the soul myth proved that black people were far from immune to the pretentious floundering that so often accompanies new consciousness.>In contrast the best white music--not that déclassé AM bubblegum, but what was then called underground even though it was the staple of an entire industry--was the voice of a youth subculture that had reached full flower after a dozen years of nurture. It was vital, sensual and real, and not only that, it boogied.
>>127636406who invented rock then? it's not whites since back in the 40's-60's most of them considered rock along with "race record" music as "degenerate nigger crap". They liked strophic shit, european folk & classical, first/second generation country,etc. Whites hated blues and rock music. It was only until the mid 60s they started appreciated it when jews psyoped them into liking it. I think blacks invented rock. Or at least rock at its first inception (rock and roll).
>>127644016>They liked strophic shit, european folk & classical, first/second generation country,etc. Whites hated blues and rock music. It was only until the mid 60s they started appreciated it when jews psyoped them into liking>Whites listened to a bunch of folk, classical, and tradpop written by Jews, arranged by Jews, and released on labels owned by Jews>eventually Jews psy-oped them into liking blues and rock also released on labels owned by Jewsso basically you're saying the crooner/showtune Jews lost to the rock Jews
>>127644039>so basically you're saying the crooner/showtune Jews lost to the rock Jewscroner/showtune george gershwin-type jews were important to white people but they were a small minority I think. Most whites still preferred european classical/folk standards. That or english first gen country artists. They still hated rock and nogs up until the psyop started.
>>127644039>so basically you're saying the crooner/showtune Jews lost to the rock JewsCorrect.
despite leftist memes black music in the 50s-60s got more crossover audience in the segregated South than it did in the good, free, and liberal northern states
>>127644066>croner/showtune george gershwin-type jews were important to white people but they were a small minority I thinkthis is the first time I ever heard that that wasn't the de-facto standard of pop music for a quarter century
>>127644076Jerry Wexler said how he always hated LA, NYC, and Nashville slop and he was right.
>>127644172really? i'm pretty sure most white people at the time only cared for music created by other whites. They'd avoid anything with a kike or nog in it.
>>127644001>>127644009that's not really an argument for the superiority of black music per se. what he's saying is "man I get tired of all the pretentions and politics of white rock music and sometimes black music is better because it lets me turn my brain off for a bit."his reason for it being better was basically >>127642505
>>127644212If you were talking about 50s music then black pop was bleeding edge at that time compared to all the treacle-y croonerslop so there was an argument for it. By the 70s I would argue the opposite.
>>127644228Of course in the 50s-60s you had some guys like Nat King Cole and Sam Cooke stick to said treacle-y ballads to get airplay on white radio. Even then Nat faced a lot of discrimination in his life.
>>127644172never disputed it. however my GI Generation grandparents as far as i know were mainly into country and never really fucked with crooner or big band slop.
>>127636365>Why did blacks just do nothing with rock music immediately after inventing it?False premise that oversimplifies.First of all, blacks when they were playing Delta Blues in the early 20th century they were using a European guitar. They were doing those slides and chord bending that reminded African tribal chants, but much more woeful as it reflected their downtrodden existence. So even the blues was the result of cultural crosspolination.As they had low social status, they were relegated to jobs that the majority would not do. Like shoe shining, hard labour, and entertainment. Somethins similar happened in Eastern Europe with gypsies, who have been playing in tarafs as musical entertainers for centuries.So they brought their styles into their performances. That's how they influenced those early 20th century styles: charleston, swing, jazz. THat wasn't even about music, it was entertainment. Closer to what we call today dance music.This eventually got picked up by more established performers who incorporated these jumpy beats with swinging notes and that's how we got Buddy Holly. This was the poppified version of those black influences. And they called that rock and roll. Even though a lot of those songs sounded like ballads. Buddy Holly already doesn't sound black almost at all. He sounds closer to European lied or chanson, but with some black influence in terms of syncopation and slight swing in the melodies.The public decided what became popular. If blacks couldn't capitalise more on their roots music, then it was probably because the white majority didn't resonate much with that sorrowful music, they wanted to hear upbeat entertaining tunes.
Blacks treat music as disposable instead of as a part of their heritage.
>>127644517that's not fair black musicians all pretty much venerate the classic soul, funk, jazz etc canon
Leaving your children (including brainchildren) without care is the most black thing you can do. They were just following their racial inclination
Cuckgau writing about black music is always facepalm because there's clearly a whole lot about it and black culture he doesn't "get" at all.
>>127636365early rock was mainly dancing music, which is most black musicblack people eventually moved on to other genres of music focused on either the dance aspect or slow love songs (funk, disco, r&b, soul, etc )white people changed rock with different ideas such as "rocking out" or experimented with it, transforming into other subgenres with different feelings, sounds and aesthetics, none of them made with the previous ideas I mentioned black people were mainly interested
>blacks>inventing rockThe chord progressions that are found in rock and blues music comes from European music theory. Negroes appropriating it doesn't mean they came up with anything new.
>>127636824>give me the answer to 2 + 2>don't tell me its 4 I want a real answer!
>>127644663>The chord progressions that are found in rock and blues music comes from European music theory. moot point. That's like saying the spainards ripped off arabs and nafris when they invented the guitar.
>>127644009>We know the wheezing pop of the early '50s was cured by that shot of rhythm-and-blues because R&B was realistic instead of sentimental, idiosyncratic instead of mass-produced, free of show biz nonsense, and rooted in a genuine communityWhat actually happened in the 50s musically was a little more complex than the simplistic narrative of "Little Richard kill le doggy in le window" which rock critics claim it was.
>>127644663they might have learned chords progressions from European music theory, that doesn't mean they "appropiated" it, after all these black men came up with it influenced mainly by other negro music, not to mention their original African culture was mostly erased so they had to learn shit from white Americans
>>127644001This guy sounds like he would hate metal or punk rock considering how most of its tied to white rage>>127640287>why how do you know my name is Ivan?
>>127644698>moot pointNot really. If you learn a specific style of playing you still follow a distinct pattern. >spainards ripped off arabs and nafris when they invented the guitar.Now that's false equivalency. Instruments don't convey how you play, they just make you craft songs. Just like how all people can sing but not all are gifted singers.>>127644704Blues and rock wasn't created in a vacuum and it all is derived from non-African composition.
>>127644750>Blues and rock wasn't created in a vacuum and it all is derived from non-African compositionokay? doesn't deny anything of what I said nor does it make your original points true
>>127644750>Instruments don't convey how you play,you're acting like the black blues/rock msucians just ripped everything from bach and the powdered wigs like a retard. Harmony isn't entirely a european invention. Blues and early rock and roll are still distinctly african american. That's why whites wanted jews to stop producing/promoting it.
>>127644766>African culture was mostly erased>had to learn shit from white AmericansSo how is it African then? lol, contradictory>>127644780>Harmony isn't entirely a european inventionI guess that's why the negroes used chord progressions that were already in use many years prior instead of randomly writing songs from scratch, lmao!
>>127644780>Blues and early rock and roll are still distinctly african americanIs blues really "distinctly african american"? It's a bastardized form of Scots Irish folk music. If you listen to both, you'll see how closely related they are. Blacks don't want to give any credit. They want to act like the blues sprung up magically all on it's own
>>127644798how did whites discover harmony during the renaissance/baroque peroid? They used their faustian autism and ""le high IQ"" and just came up with it from scratch right? What music were anglo/scandinavians pagans composing while pajeets and chinese were inventing different instruments and melodic progressions? wignats are unbelievable. That's why the music they listen to is garbage. It's either basic shit like beethoven/wagner or anime soundtracks.
>>127644816>It's a bastardized form of Scots Irish folk musicare you that retard who shills alan lomax. I remember seeing these embarrasing copes before. You're most likely a turbo newfag but you didn't happen to start posing here around covid right?
>>127644798it's not that it is African, as it coming from the continent of Africa, but that it's black, from the USA
>>127636406Virgin take
>>127644832Don't know what you're talking about. The original white settlers of the south brought their folk music which the black slaves adopted. Or do you think the blues came from africa?
>>127636382this unironically they probably saw all these posh british drug addicts playing blues riffs in the 60s making millions and had to go create jive
>>127644849LOL you're a dumbass if you think english sea shanties are the same as blues from the american south. Anglo/celtic yodeling crap can't take credit for anything at all. Blues would always be cosmopolitan or at the very least african-american.
>>127636365if a white man did it it was called rock if black man did it was called r&blook into r&b history
>>127644848>why yes I assess people's worth based on their body count>except mine, thats off limits!>how did you know i was female?>YOU FUCKING INCEL!
>>127644823>What music were anglo/scandinavians pagans composinghttps://www.ua-magazine.com/2017/03/21/viking-music-sound-like/>The melody recorded in the latter, “Nobilis, humilis”, is notable for being polyphonic; meaning that it has multiple melodic lines, here two lines in parallel thirds.Gymelis a type of polyphonic music from Northern England, and according to Giraldus Cambrensis (c. 1146–1223 CE), it is thought to have had Scandinavian influence, as polyphonic music was uncommon in native English music.>tvísönguris a type of singing wherein two lines of melody are sung polyphonically, typically in parallel fifths.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S0a-sjfOn0>pajeets and chinese were inventing different instruments and melodic progressions?Indians and Chinese have notoriously awful native music.
>>127644923nigga what are you rambling about? All he did was call you a virgin.
>>127644950>shitty horn flutes and 13th century sea shanty-tier song with a latin name wow they're so high iq and superior. Yeah all the new orleans guys clearly just ripped this sound off. They couldn't have discovered layered melodies or fifths any other way. >Indians and Chinese have notoriously awful native music.it's just about the same as the dumb anglo pagan sailor chants you champion as superior and more innovative.
>>127645001>new orleans guys clearly just ripped this sound offI doubt it. However, hundreds of years later, they learned chord progressions that were not native to Africa and had been developed by Europeans.>just about the same as the dumb anglo pagan sailor chantsMandarin/Cantonese are extremely ugly languages and you can tell that when Chinese people do their high pitched screeching your ears start to bleed.
>>127645042>they learned chord progressions that were not native to Africa and had been developed by Europeans.back to the ""the niggurs took harmony from the aryan music"" argument. We're back in circles. >when Chinese people do their high pitched screeching your ears start to bleed.that lame ass viking chant song did that to me. I'd rather listen to cozy guzheng music than some yodeling cunt, naked in blue paint, blowing notes out of an auroch horn for odin.
>>127642315Whites invented and perfected it. Blacks stole it (what's new?)
>>127642315>because white rockers made it too hard for blacks to be relevant in rock at that pointjazz is arguably more technical than a lot of rock music is so the whole "whites made it too high IQ and complex for them to handle" argument falls flat.
>>127645086>the niggurs took harmony from the aryan musicYour words, not mine. Also, it is unfortunately a fact and facts don't care about your feelings.>>127645086>guzheng musicYou mean Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon larp music? Rhythmically it is like if you take someone with Parkinsons and let them pull the strings as they wish. Then, you add some basic Kung Fu theatrics to make it seem as if there is melody.
>>127645127>it is unfortunately a fact and facts don't care about your feelings.the sad truth is it isn't it's a just a moot point. You trying to debunk my arguments with gaudy polyphonic scandinavian folk chants further proves my point. If black americans can't take credit for blues, jazz or rock and roll then whites, especially britards or nords can't take credit for inventing chords. Just makes no sense>You mean Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon larp music?hundered percent better than some irish cunt yodeling jolly folk ballads like some fedora tipping redditor. Ancient China is kino.
>>127636365I don't really understand this argument from either side. Should people only listen to music if the musician looks like them or is the same race? Why do people who claim to be "anti-racist" want music to be segregated? What happened to the hippie-dippy "music is about bringing people together" idea?
>>127645127
>>127645187>What happened to the hippie-dippy "music is about bringing people together" idea?to be fair I think that's wignats. It's easy to know who invented what genre: >opera: italians (perfected by germans) >romantic music: germans >jazz, blues, rock & roll: african americans >rock music: british/american whites >modern electronic music: african americans, germans, and japanesewignats however claim that only whites and east asians made contributions to music. And that ""brown"" music is ""degenerate"" and shouldn't be accepted or exist at all.
>>127645164>the sad truth is it isn'tIt is, though. Chord progressions formalized by Europeans.>Ancient China is kinoNah. The music is whimpy and anaemic.
>>127645238>bLaCKs InVenTEd mUSiC
>>127645249>It is, though. Chord progressions formalized by Europeans.Again, this is a moot point. You're acting as if the music robert johnson was playing was a direct carbon copy of european music simply because it uses functional harmony, which is only one piece of the puzzle. Western harmony wasn’t invented from scratch. It has arabic and moorish influence. Even the greeks drew from brown egyptians and mesopotamians when developing consonance ratios. Chubby Irish guys can’t listen to blues or jazz, point their finger, and go, ‘Ooooooo, I did that.’>Nah. The music is whimpy and anaemic.no it's incredible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab1O8O-MFfgbetter than some englishman yodeling and hollering like some asshole.
>>127645349>>''""FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR MUDHUT NIGGER!!! HUR DURR WE WUZ BIX NOOD WE WUZ KANGS!!"""It's easier to admit that jazz and blues are african american music rather than resorting to these lame copes. This isn't /pol/
>>127645440>Western harmony wasn’t invented from scratch.Neither was Indian or Chinese because they had contact with Mesopotamians as well.>better than some englishman yodeling and hollering like some asshole.I guess you're anaemic and wimpy by heart.
>>127645481>Neither was Indian or Chinese because they had contact with Mesopotamians as well.you really like using moot points. Nobody is arguing that chinese and indians just inveted shit from thin air. You're conflating influence with plagiarism. >I guess you're anaemic and wimpy by heart.literally the gayest and most libtarded music is indie folk influenced by the anglo/celtic shit you adore so much.
>>127636365They were good at the foundation, didn't resonate with what whites did with it, all the psychedelics, metal, prog, ect. Blacks biggest musical accomplishment is Jazz anyways. (C)rap and funk are minuscule.
>>127636365There's a conspiracy theory that all black people are just Avril Lavigne in disguise, so she's been the brains behind rock from the start.
>>127645506>conflating influence with plagiarism.Rock and blues music isn't "influenced" by European chord progressions. It's built on them. Influence in this context means you add something to an already existing musical theory and the negroes had zero. >gayest and most libtarded music is indie folkCrouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon larp music is way worse. The way it is expressed is like some antediluvian spoken word performance at your local LGBTQ bamboo hut.
>>127645557But Avril Lavigne was born in 1984, long after rock was invented.
>>127645565>It's built on themVery dishonest and retarded. Music isn't just triads and cadences. Blues and rock and roll are african american in origin; it isn’t african americans playing or imitating anglo sailor shanties. Also, wignats still try to argue that jazz is a bastardization of Beethoven cause jazz has such innovative harmonies that it influenced almost all modern genres in the USA, britan and even Japan. Fat Irish kids really can't claim anything>Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon larp music is way worseno it isn't i'll take that shit over anglo-folk influenced garbage like mumfor and sons or edward sharpe and the magnetic zeros
>>127645586Sounds like something Avril Lavigne would say.
>>127645631>Blues and rock and roll are african american in originhttps://www.britannica.com/art/blues-music>The origins of the blues are poorly documented. Blues developed in the southernUnited Statesafter theAmerican Civil War(1861–65). It was influenced by work songs and field hollers,minstrel showmusic,ragtime,church music, and the folk andpopular musicof the white population.The fact that you say it is African American when they were literally steeped in all things non-African makes it hard to take you seriously. There isn't even any notes written down by negroes so as far as I can tell it's glorification and not particulary convincing.
>>127644001White guilt is a midwit indicator par excellence.
>>127645741minstrel shows, work songs/feild hollers and church music isn't ""white european music"". You just proved that blues is african americans just working off all the influences around them. Blues is still african american. It isn't african americans playing european white people music. It isn't even african music. Continental african music is different from african american music.
>>127644009What has to go wrong in one's life for them to say all this?
>>127644290>my GI Generation grandparentsyou must be an old Gen Xer
>>127645804>minstrel showsEnglish, Scottish and Irish musical influences. "Dixie Land" isn't exactly African.>church musicAre you for real? Are you saying church music in the U.S.A originated in Africa? lol>field hollers/work songsScreaming back and forth in the plantations. Not very chromatic.
>>127644594but whites have been doing this for three generations now
>>127645865>English, Scottish and Irish musical influencesdoesn't make it entirly anglo dumbass. Menstrel shows are whites imitating the music they heard in the negro south. >Are you for real? Are you saying church music in the U.S.A originated in Africa? how fucking dumb are you? church music is brown and jewish. It isn't white or black at all. >Screaming back and forth in the plantationsyou're trying to simplify black work music as ""dumb niggers babbling nonsense"" but a lot of african work songs/field hollers have a direct west african influence both in terms of rhythm and melodic runs. You could hear this influence in blues and rock and roll.
>>127636365thats retarded dudeyou had the isley brothers kool and the gang and funkadelic and the impressions and all kinds of shit carrying it through the 70s. they were just going in a different direction with it. prince made it into fucking popstar music somehow in the 80s. and more underground, you had the bad brains helping basically found hardcorenogs have always been aroundthe real problem is nogs give other nogs endless hell for being """too white""" if they like anything thats not retarded. so a lot of ppl get scared off of actually ever learning a fucking instrument, or "playing in a band" (thats somehow "toowhite"? its retarded). and thats rly the big filter nowadays
>>127645901>Menstrel shows are whites imitating the music they heard in the negro south.It's parody music. They throw in all kinds of music like opera. I guess that means they heard negroes sing opera in the fields.>church music is brown and jewishNot really. You fail to see church music has different character depending on where you are. Gregorian chants aren't heard in ooga booga churches in Zimbabwe.>you're trying to simplify black work music as ""dumb niggers babbling nonsense"It's just screaming in the fields. Nothing more.
>>127645971>Gregorian chants aren't heard in ooga booga churches in Zimbabwenah they dont need it. they got the cool shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAAyvIa6ns
blacks quit baseball too (the sport they formerly liked most) when it was no longer segregated.there's a pattern here.
>>127645971>It's parody music. They throw in all kinds of music like opera.irrelevant. Blues and rock and roll are not white music. >You fail to see church music has different character depending on where you are.It's brown and semetic. >Gregorian chantsgregorian and kartvelians are closer to persians and turks then they are white europeans. Church music isn't white or european. >It's just screaming in the fields. Nothing more.to effeminate zoomer wignats, yes. It's like saying anglo folk music is just naked asswipes covered in blue paint yodeling. Exaggerated generalizations done out of bad faith are wrong .
>no we made this music>no we did!Do you all ever get tired of the same old bull shit?
I've never seen this problem with "wignats." 99% of racial music arguing outside of /mu/ i've seen is done by blacks claiming they made x and whitey can't compete.
someone explain to me how this isnt rock and rollhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L23gCdiN18>but its muh soulsame shit. just spelled differentlisten to that mfer rip for like 4mins uninterrupted
>>127642589australians are even more tan than americans. must suck to be a pale brit.colonies mogged.
>>127646095>99% of racial music arguing outside of /mu/ i've seen is done by blacks claiming they made x and whitey can't competeonly turbo normie overweight black women do this. Meanwhile wignats on x and /mu/ are like >>127645971. They're race essentialists, eugenists, and anti-moral pragmatic consequentialists that want ""total shitskin death"" and they argue jazz or blues music was just blacks ripping off irish people or germans in powdered wigs. Both shenequas and wignats are fucking annoying when it comes to this.
>>127646039>Blues and rock and roll are not white music.Built on white music and has their foundations in white music.>It's brown and semetic.If you mean "Hava Nagila" then yes.>Church music isn't white or european.Gregorian chants were not sung by Persians or Turks, unfortunately.>naked asswipes covered in blue paint yodelingIf that's what you fantasize about then sure.
>>127636406>>127636418/thread
>>127646134yea erryone rips off erryoneand if theyre lucky, they fuck it up enough that erryone else thinks its something "new"its fineits how its supposed to work
>>127646170>Built on white music and has their foundations in white music.completely wrong. You've been trying to prove this the entire thread and your argument just boils down to "using chords = stealing from whites" >Gregorian chants were not sung by Persians or Turks, unfortunately.they weren't sang by white europeans either. Church music is swarthy and jewish
No other culture blatantly lies about their history outside of these people and the small hat crew
>>127646202>using chords = stealing from whitesNah. If you are immersed in non-African culture and your musical foundation is derived from non-African composition you can't really claim it's yours, especially since you never wrote down your melodies.>Church music is swarthy and jewishIf by church you mean synagogue then yes.
>>127646103leads with the bass and the bassline is more r&bthe vocals pull from gospelthe guitar is a backing trackwhat about that is reminiscent of rock? not even rock & roll proper sounded like that
>>127646250>your musical foundation is derived from non-African composition>never wrote down your melodies.there is african influence in the rhythm and melody? we've established that earlier. Stick to we wuzzing harmony. You had a semi-point there. >If by church you mean synagogue then yes.church is jewish. Christ is for jews.
>>127646170>If you mean "Hava Nagila" then yesklezmer music is actually sick af thothose guys RIP clarinethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCzg5BFpKZQ>Gregorian chants were not sung by Persians or Turks, unfortunatelywell duh they didnt have harmonythey went the other direction and expanded on melody instead. persia took the greek standard and found the inbetween notes that work. but those notes dont work well on western harmony. thats why the further east you get it gets more and more ridiculous it gets till you get to bali and theres like 200 semitones in an octave. everyone was trying to out-dickwave persia
>>127636504the stranglehold rap has had over black music audience is more than 40 years now.and it sounds almost the exact same as it did when it first became popular.so the notion that black audiences will ditch a genre if it isn't innovating fast enough is totally unfounded.it's pretty simple. blacks in usa just want their own culture and if too many whites become the majority as both performer and audience, they'll abandon it.
>>127646289>influence in the rhythm and melody?Take away the harmonies and what do you have? Screaming in the fields and doing non-chromatic MMMMMMHHHHMMM-sounds.>church is jewishIf you mean synagogue the yes.
>>127646326you can see same dynamic in sports too.blacks like football and basketball because blacks majority of performers, even if audience is majority white.blacks hate baseball now that it's desegregated since they are neither majority of performers or audience.they even haven't caught onto the soccer boom i don't think. audience is majority white and performers aren't majority black.
>>127646330>Take away the harmonies and what do you have? Screaming in the fields and doing non-chromatic MMMMMMHHHHMMM-sounds.Irrelevant. You're claiming that "using chords = white people music" when that's completely wrong. Also using your logic, whites, especially the nordic ones, can't even we wuz harmony. We've established that earlier too. >If you mean synagogue the yes.how dumb are you? church is jewish. Christianity is a jewish religion for jews.
>>127646326>and it sounds almost the exact same as it did when it first became popular.Which is pretty much the point of this thread. Blacks have kept it basic dance music. The only time it has any depth is when white rappers do it
>>127646387White rappers have mostly all been meme/gimmick acts though.
>>127646374>Irrelevant.Nope. It's essentially the whole entirety of the music. Without the non-African composition you have nothing. Only throat clearing and humming in the fields.>church is jewishI know synagogues are Jewish.
>127646374>how dumb are you? church is jewish. Christianity is a jewish religion for jews.How dumb are YOU, you fucking inbred? Christianity's focal point is that UNLIKE judaism it wasn't based on race. You had to have jewish blood to become a rabbi, anyone could be a priest.
>>127646384yall crackas done enslaved millions of niggas, killed poor innocent villagers during the crusades, killed millions of ya own in the protestant reformation, then did the same thing again in world wars, yall genocided native americans, attacked the east with opium drugs, killed africans under leopold ii, romans even genocided other europeans like celtics, dacians etc and semites like carthagians and judeans, not to mention mass murdering jews, gypsies, slavs etc in holocaust, even had russians mass rape polish and german women, oh and also dropped 2 nukes on innocent civillians in japandont act like you crackas are innocent, you think you so high and mighty? gtfo white devil
>>127646412>It's essentially the whole entirety of the musicif you're a brain-dead fucking moron yes. Blues uses intervals and melodic runs more than triads or any full chordal structures. You're a dumbass if you think blues is just harmony. >I know synagogues are Jewish.christ is the king of jews. Christianity is jewish.
>>127646384>>127636811>Racism against whitesMods: :D>Racism against blacksMods: D:<Be consistent, faggots. Either delete both posts or neither
>>127646452he said the hard r, thats not allowed buddy...
>>127646433>christ is the king of jews. Christianity is jewish.You keep saying that phrase, I don't think it means what you think it means
>>127646452Global 3 in practice has always meant "the N or K word can't be used on blue boards"
>>127646422Christianity and judiasm are both globalist, brown and semetic.
>>127646464what does the phrase "christ is the king of jews" mean?
>>127646468Learn history before trying to educate others on it. Your music takes are already embarrassing enough on their own
>>127646463>>127646465Even if that wasn't a straight up lie (I've seen nigger posted here all the time). This still doesn't make any sense.So saying>Blacks have no soulWould not break the rule, but saying>Niggers have no soullike he did does? What idiocy is this? Both are racist, as is what the guy he was replying to was saying. The rule clearly states "No racism outside /b/", it only makes sense that both posts would get deleted
>>127646452/mu/ tranitors ban you for the n-word for years
>>127646482>Learn history before trying to educate others on itchristanity is literally brown and semetic>Your music takes are already embarrassing enough on their ownhow so?
>>127646505>Even if that wasn't a straight up lie (I've seen nigger posted here all the time)it means nobody bothered reporting it
>>127646505oh silly, you realize racism just means hard r right?take it to /b/ or /pol/ ok?
Rock n roll wasn't created by a single person. Like, there was an artist, he released an album, an that's it, rock n roll was created. Rock n roll was a movement of black and white artists (Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Chubby Checker, Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, Roy Orbinson, etc) who helped to shape the sound of rock n roll, and, thus, it was created.
>>127646530>Learn history before trying to educate others on it. Your music takes are already embarrassing enough on their own
>>127646544I would say rock and roll is cosmopolitan but predominantly african american the same way oprea is european but predominantly of italian origin.
>>127636365this thread, and this board, has far too much contempt for black people to have a serious discussion on this, or any similar, topics.I will just say this though, Rock music has always been an offshoot of R&B, and Blues in general. they did, in fact, "develop their brainchild", it's just through the lane of R&B
>>127646559why did you just repeat what you said before?
>>127646537>>127646526And then these same mods will wonder why this board is fucking dead now. Must be those dirty dang fucking zoomers
>>127646577chuds in general are fucking losersracists are pathetic
>>127646617You're on 4chan, you're lower than a loser for knowing about this place to begin with. And on the bottom of the social food chain for staying on here after it is a totally dead husk of its former self 15 years later.
>>127646628>You're on 4chan, you're lower than a loserthis also applies to you.
>>127646433>uses intervals and melodic runs more than triads or any full chordal structuresAnd that means nothing. Without all the non-African composition it's just non-chromatic nonsense.
>>127646628you will never put me down more than i have
>>127646576https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMezwtB1oCUShow me the african american origin of this song.
>>127646639I can admit it, you cannot. That is what sets us apart
>>127646642>And that means nothingno the melodic runs and rhythm blues have are unqiue and appreciated. That's why western pop music was practically structured by it alongside jazz throughout the entire 20th century. Like how you have to resort to saying non-African instead of white european too. Cause you know full well chubby irish or nordic guys can't we wuzz harmony. Also why're you obsessed with chromaticism like some wagnerfag? Blues still uses chromaticism.
>>127646714are you racist?
>>127646653i'd say there's some subtle jazz or negro influence in the rhythm section. The relative minor and passing chords make me thing about jazz too.
>>127646715>chubby irish or nordic guysNTA but I do not really understand why you are so fixated on that. Even by the American definition of "White" it means Mediterraneans, Germanics, Slavs, Franks, basically every possible race that's light skinned and not asiatic. Not just "Irish guys and nords", if anything Irish weren't considered white for a long time so it's even more baffling that you use that as your base idea of what "white" is. I guess americans generally are just schizophrenic when it comes to this subject because they believe that all of europe is just one white race rather than vastly different sets of peoples and races which are only forced to intermingle because of americans. If not for America, Germans and slavs would still be trying to genocide each other and wouldn't consider each other "white"
>>127646653didn't Buddy Holly hate that he wasn't considered RnB music, although he desperately wanted to be seen as such, because he was white?
>>127646763>The relative minor and passing chords make me thing about jazz tooReminds me of Classical.
>>127646779don't hate any race but it's stupid when irish, slavs or scandinavian guys would listen to black music and claim: "these niggers are using chords. They're basically ripping off our culture and taking what WE invented" even though it was mainly greeks and latins that laid the groundwork for harmony. It would be hypocritical for chubby irish guys to use chords but then mock the blacks for doing it too.
>>127646838classical has always been more about I-IV-V, but romantic music fits that description pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMShwAnph8khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhbcN3ew9z0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRQ7ecvU56kMore songs with few or none black influence.
>>127646429Lmao
>>127646715>melodic runs and rhythm blues have are unqiueNot unique enough to arise without being immersed in non-African culture. You grasp at straws.
>>127646544Rock n roll was created by the inventor of the electric guitar. What color is he? Too lazy to look.
>>127646869I was talking about the Romantic period.
>>127646897And the bass, and the amps and the pedals.
>>127646884>Not unique enough to arise without being immersed in non-African culturewhat does this imply? that blues was only sought after becasue of ""white western harmony"? Makes no sense.
>>127646849It's because when a Russian composer uses chords, he isn't being nearly as much of a faggot about it as blacks are when they do
>>127646956>Russian composersballerina shit like tchaikovsky or hipster crap like the big 5 sucks ass compared to bud powell or art blakey. Russians make faggy music but think since they could be considered white in some instances, it's genetically superior ""high art"".
I think the best thing to say about this situation is just that rock is fucking shit and no good music has been composed since the 20th century.Posting this pic to summon him
>>127647000>The Russian composer Mily Balakirev wrote Islamey, considered one of the most difficult piano pieces at the time, which inspired Maurice Ravel to write his own fiendishly challenging piano work, Gaspard de la nuit, specifically aiming to surpass its difficulty, particularly in the movement "Scarbo".
>>127647000Exactly, you people are always the biggest faggots when it omes to your shitty music. Bud Powell and Art Blakey have never made anything remotely worth listening to. Especially when compared to things like thishttps://youtu.be/R3gLJaGKJ9I?list=PLNk0_qYUtcL6EJq-ig1kq_L9StNFqwRIc
>>127647049>18 minutesnot listening to that shit, whites need to learn how to edit their music
>>127647042good I think french impressionism is boring redditard music for chinese femcels. I hate russian music even more now.
>>127646954Are you autistic? Without the surrounding white culture there would be no blues.
>>127647063Not beating the low IQ allegations
>>127647063>he can only listen to 2-5 minutes songs
>>127647066Get a different hobby, music is not for you
>>127646879the beatles and the majority of british rock that came after them worshipped motown. beatles albums are filled with motown covers and pauls style of playing is heavily jamerson coded
>>127647069>Without the surrounding white culture there would be no blues.were essentially back in circles. It's just you claiming "chords = white people". Keep in mind that whites can't even we wuzz all of the rhythm and harmony in music. This is like me saying without arabs, whites like issac newton wouldn't be successful. It's a retarded, desperate reach that doesn't work.
>>127647095"people" like that can only listen to that type of slop. It's why prog was considered white and got so many of these tards seething
>>127647131Not just chords. Tonalism (and Atonalism). If a black man makes a song in E minor, that's an european influence.
>>127647049fuck you retarded faggot. This sounds bloated and theatrical. Rather just listen to someone else like wagner. Powell and blakey still mog>>127647101why cause I'm not into some dumb fag that makes ballerina music? Fuck ravel too.
>>127647131Not really. You can't prove blues would arise without white cultural influence so it's not unique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0VObXXA7UCan a black man even play this piece? I never seen it.
>Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller originally offered "Only In America", about achieving the American dream and wanting to be president, to The Drifters but Atlantic objected to the idea of a black group singing politically provocative lyrics and turned it down. The song was instead recorded by Jay & The Americans and became their second hit, in late summer '63.
>>127647194toanlism stems from functional harmony and like I said, by your logic, it isn't european since that borrows influences. Chubby irish kids can't take credit for blues and jazz because of rameau and bach.
>>127647232could you prove that scandinavians or irish people could make music without borrowing from greeks (who also borrowed from the mesopotamians).
>>127644955>"he"Also NTA
>>127647251It borrow no influence. Tonalism was probably made in Renaissance. What influences do you point?
>>127647121brits always copy America
>>127647268You claimed blues is unique and yet it arose in an environment with a heavily non-African cultural presence.
>>127647315tonalism developed alongside harmony and harmony itself didn't just emerge from europe with no outside influence. Again, chubby irish kids can't say blues/jazz musicians are stealing from them because of rameau.
>>127644290I find it funny how your post seems to inply country music wasn't slop back then just like it is now.
>>127644001>>127644009Christgau always wrote a lot about black music which many of his peers did not, for example RSM was notorious for having next to no interest in the stuff outside Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, and electric bluesmen.
>>127647444The harmony from arab, indian, chinese and japanese music is complete different from Europe.
>>127647411blues is still uniquly african american. The music being influenced or based by western harmony and doesn't change that at all. The rhythmic, spiritual, and melodic influences aren't """non-african""" either. They have west/south african influence. If dumb english folk chants are unique to anglos how come blues isn't unique to african americans? even if both didn't invent chords but still use them.
>>127647491RSM used to be based before the juice takeover
>>127647233https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucBfXpCA6sEven a white woman destroys all the black piano music.
>>127647503Blues is didn't arise from African Americans. That's an assumption. No written songs, no recorded notes, no musical school of thought. You are spouting nonsense.
>>127647520>juice takeoverWas that before or after its founder was a gay Jewish man from San Francisco who promoted Springsteen for years because he found him hot?
>>127647500so? i'm pretty sure the sumerians and egyptians contributed more to harmony, alongside the greeks, than the scandinavians, russians or irish did
>>127647546>No written songs, no recorded notes, no musical school of thoughtthis like saying the ODJB were the first jazz band. At this point just a retard and you need to follow your leader (and I don't mean flying to argentina).
>>127647589Jack Laine educated the first jazz musicians and he was white.
>>127647551>a juiceExactly what I said
>>127641946Yeah but that's the 60s. That's still early Rock.
>>127647601he was influential but he still didn't invent it.
>>127647641He educated all of the major jazz bands so he's basically the source of it all.
>>127647551the other bit was when Jan Wenner also basically admitted that white guy rock stars made for the most interesting interview subjects
>>127641946hendrix is shit one of the first documented instances of affirmative action
>>127647204Soulless low IQ golem babble
>>127647654you sound like one of those guys that say los sacios were the first punk band or that beethoven 32 was the first jazz piece. Jazz was created by black people in the 1890s. Everything else is a precursor.
>>127647686>Soulless low IQ golem babbleme when I hear tchaikovsky's fruity music. If you're gonna be a nazi at least listen to RAC or wagner. Why some slavic cunt who wrote ballet recitals?
>>127647693>los sacios were the first punk bandYes>beethoven 32 was the first jazz pieceYes>Jazz was created by black people in the 1890sWrong
>>127647693Do you have any evidence for your claim other than assumptions? Jack Laine is a documented person, your conjecture is not.
>>127647717you're just wrong and retarded. I like how whites consider jazz and blues negermusik for the untermensch but they still want to we wuzz it even though they hate it. Kinda like with liberal black women or hotep black men obsessed with BLM/ slavery and america. Trying to claim something they hate lmao
>>127647714Who said I was a nazi? As said, you're a soulless low iq golem who only thinks in binary
>>127647725whether you like it or not jazz came to be in the 1890s with buddy bolden, king oliver, louis amrstrong, fletcher henderson, etc. The white drum teacher who you claim should take all the credit is just a mere precursor. ODJB was considered glorified ragtime during it's time too. It was seen as inauthentic colored music.
>>127647797beethoven did it first lol at your brainwashed cope
>>127647797They all were influenced by Debussy.
>>127636365>this nigga's never heard of Skunk Anansie
>>127647825Justin bieber has a heavily influenced debussy
>>127647821you're a dumbass who's wrong but it's okay since you hate jazz to begin with. There's literally no point in hearing your opinion. A faggot wignat telling me how degenerate and uncreative jazz is, is like a libtarded black woman telling me ""corny"", """white"" and """"cringe"""" rock and metal music is.
>Black music in the '50s lived in an almost entirely segregated world. Performers such as Bull Moose Jackson, BB King, Fats Domino (pre-1955), the Clovers, the Dominoes, the 5 Royales, and Ruth Brown were little known to white audiences. Record labels such as Wexler and Ertegun's Atlantic Records could sell 300,000 copies of a #1 hit--as Wexler would say, nobody got into the R&B business expecting to get rich. The records were also generally not sold outside majority black neighborhoods and white record buyers did not have much chance to come into contact with them.[3] Only a handful of black performers such as Nat King Cole and Ella Fitzgerald won the acceptance of white listeners.
>>127647895>brainwashed schizo loses it when his false reality is challengedLel
>>127647926you're a dumbass who's wrong but it's okay since you hate jazz to begin with. You're just a biased fag.
>>127647233Show me the hardest jazz piano piece.
>>127647942>crying like a bitchAll because you're wrong. Weird way to cope.
>>127647968you suck at ragebaiting since you're unwitty, and too retarded to back anything you say. Follow your leader (and again, I don't mean flying to argentina).
>>127647797Funny how you have no evidence.
>>127647998>3 responses>you suck at ragebaitingLmao retard
>>127636365Because doing nothing is exactly what they do, lazy, black bastards
>>127648020I do it's you who doesn't. That's why you resort to cunty ragebaiting. BTW your hero only had one ball and was a manlet. He also shot himself alone in a bunker like a coward LMAO
>>127648049Jack Laine had one ball? Wow!
>Art Tatum plays Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke2_qob16lsKek.
>>127648049I put one ball in your mother's mouth
>>127648058i dont think hes talking about jack laine
>>127648086I was being sarcastic.
>>127648058>Jack Laine had one ball? Wow!don't know about that he just didn't invent jazz is all. It's not for him to claim >>127648024>you're giving me attention so I win I know you're a retarded faggot who can't back anything he says.
>>127648111He educated all prominent jazz musicians so yeah, he did.
>>127648111>4 responses>you suck at ragebaitingLMAO
>>127648111>I know you're a retarded faggot who can't back anything he says.NTA but he said it was a bad ragebait and gave evidence that it wasnt, you're retarded
>>127648083your hero was a manlet lol. He also lost to a commie manlet who was even shorter than him. What a cuck.
>>127648122>>127648127>you're giving me attention so I win
>>127648129>>127648049Imagine still being mad over someone 80 years after he died that you bring him up unprompted in conversations not related to him
>>127648139A bad ragebait neccesitates a lack of attention. He got attention to his post so the post by definition was not bad ragebait. This really shouldn't be difficult
>>127648144>80 years after he diedhow did he die again? oh yeah he pulled an hero like a pussy lol. You're right though your hero is living rent free in my mind. I'm seething over his manlet aryan genetics and single testicle right now.
>>127648154>you're giving me attention so I winkeep sucking his cock faggot
>>127648120>all prominent jazz musicians>it's just ODJB members
>>127648178Projection
>>127636365they didnt invent shit
>>127648221Like I said: he did it. You have no evidence.
>>127648233cope. Keep wrapping your lips on the other anons cock. Tell me more about how much of a master ragebaiter he is.
>>127648260he didn't you're just a retard.
>>127648281You have conjecture, I have documented proof.
>>127648293the ODJB wasn't even considered real jazz during it's time yet you think the drummer of that band invented it? LOL
>>127648309You do realize jazz is in their name, right? Hence why everyone that came after imitated them.
>>127647894>Duke Ellington was influenced by Claude Debussy, absorbing Debussy's techniques like non-functional harmony, parallel chords, and rich sonorities to expand jazz and his own compositions. Ellington learned from Debussy's scores and applied these concepts, such as "word painting" and free-flowing melodies, in works like "Soda Fountain Rag" and his suites, while also integrating elements of ragtime and the blues into his unique jazz style. Debussy's innovative approach to harmony and his ability to create color and texture influenced Ellington's sophisticated musical language.
>>127648347Irrelevant. The ODJB didn't invent jazz. Critics didn't even consider it real jazz at the time.
>>127648262>5 responses>you suck at ragebaitingLmao
>>127648382>>you're giving me attention so I winkeep sucking my cock faggot.
>>127648370Nah. They invented the idiom and style that others imitated.
>>127648398elaborate
>Claude Debussy influenced jazz through his harmonic innovation, using extended chords (7ths, 9ths, 11ths), parallel harmonies, modal techniques, and non-traditional scales like the whole-tone and pentatonic, which became standard in jazz by the 1950s. His emphasis on mood, color, and emotional expression over rigid structures also inspired jazz musicians like Bill Evans, Herbie Hancock, Duke Ellington, and Miles Davis to explore new harmonic and melodic possibilities and prioritize artistic expression.
>>127648410You claim they aren't jazz by saying critics opinions matter. The critics didn't invent the idiom.
>>127648163Hitler tried to genocide my people, he is far from my hero. You are a braindead retard who should kill himself
>>127648411>Charlie Parker and Thelonious Monk:>Debussy's early 20th-century use of chromaticism and whole-tone scales later became an inspiration for these bebop innovators.
>>127648424by "idiom" do you mean the etymology?
>>127648456Idiom means idiom.
>>127648447i like hitler now. Mussolini is more of a chad though. He respected jazz music.
>>127648481>i like hitler now.your hero was a manlet lol. He also lost to a commie manlet who was even shorter than him. What a cuck.
>>127648474ODJB didn't invent the term. It was used well before 1915.
>>127648496I like the guy but he's not my hero. My hero is tony iommi.
>>127648504But no one used it on records except them. Curious!
>>127648522at this point I feel like this is really shitty bait.
>>127648543So where is the evidence that jazz was used before them?
>>127648580It was called jass music around 1913-1915. Also ODJB is not the first jazz group nor did they invent jazz.
>>127648599Evidence? Where?
>>127648603>erhm source since I don't care about you, you don't have to believe me. But you're wrong. Also no more (you)'s.
>>127648617Like I said: you have no evidence. Nice try.
This discussion is so boring listen to whatever the fuck you want to who gives a shit about politics
>>127648520Literally me
>>127636365>>127636382>>127636403>>127636406>>127636418as the king of /mu/ said, the stones did not only rock but blues better than all of them and they gave upotis redding even had a year-long tantrum and died due to that
>>127648688>the king of /mu/Who?
>>127648688lmfaaoooooooooooTIL: The Rolling Stones > the black music they copied and learned from.(straight up not true)your post is a cringeworthy simplification. rock from that era from black artists mogs anything white artists were doing, including rolling stones. You're just a little faggot with shite taste
>>127643791Correct, black music is fundamentally pro-natalist, while "deeper" white music is anti-natalist. On the surface, the former is superficial while the latter is intellectual but like all things, appearances can be deceiving. Black music has not been separated from it's evolutionary function as a way to bring people together and offer opportunity for mating and allowing the group to reproduce the next generation, white music, on the other hand, is entirely disconnected from it's function and serves only to aid in distracting people from the basic requirement to reproduce. Being in connection with biological reality makes black music deeper because it has promotes the longevity of it's listeners' lineages, while white music makes it's listeners believe that the most inane thing is more important than having progeny.
>>127648813>rock from that eraHendrix and... and...
>>127648758He's in his 40s and has yet to touch a woman other than his mother.
