Now that the dust has finally settled, can we all agree she was the biggest red herring of modern music and popular culture?Six years ago you couldn't read any music-related publication without seeing articles upholding her and her brother as "innovative" or "cutting-edge". So what on earth did they musically innovate? What new sound or technique did they create? That they blended trap and industrial with pop, as if that wasn't already a major trend of that era thanks to SoundCloud rap? That they made their album in the brother's bedroom? So what? Nobody cares where an album was made.Billie got hyped up a lot on the basis she was the "voice of her generation" with many comparisons to John Lennon and Bob Dylan. If she really is the "zoomer John Lennon" why is the bulk of her music apolitical? Where are her anti-war, anti-capitalist, and anti-establishment anthems? Why is there no assertiveness in any of her music that is political? And why haven't she and her brother taken the opportunity to make anti-Trump anthems now? After all, a time of protest and mass political urgency like we're seeing today needs protest music.So yes, I don't get why everyone still thinks she's anything special. She won a bunch of Grammys in 2020 after the entire music industry relentlessly shilled her for a year and a half only to never win anything again. Enlighten me.
Birds of a Feather is mid and that Barbie song she won an Oscar for was mid
>>127687280Yes, I forgot to mention the Oscar win. But you are correct that nothing she's put out has really stood out to me.
>>127687280I feel like everybody at that Oscars realized that Ryan Gosling's song was better during the performance lmao
>>127687273>And why haven't she and her brother taken the opportunity to make anti-Trump anthems now? After all, a time of protest and mass political urgency like we're seeing today needs protest music.Because all of them are trash and cringeworthy.
>>127687273I want her to fart in my mouth like you wouldn't believe.
>>127687273her brother fucked her
Have you heard Finneas' solo work? It's fucking awful. Like mid-2000s adult contemporary awful.
>>127687273>Six years ago you couldn't readYes some fit that description.
>>127687273The only reason she's still relevant is because of streaming numbers, which are easy to fake via stream farms. I haven't seen anything close to the amount of hype for her that I've seen for Sabrina, Olivia, and yes even Chappell (although you could easily argue Chappell's fanfare is dying down a lot).
>>127687273one can only whisper into a mic for so long before people realize she isn't really talented, her brother was carrying her as most producers do
>>127687429And she didn't even popularize whisper singing. Women neo-soul artists were doing that two decades before she was.
>>127687474It also doesn't help that she dresses like a wigger, at least those women still had some class and style, shit I would even take a negro like Lauryn Hill at this point, at least she had some semblance of a message beyond literal homosexuality
>>127687273It was all propaganda. Apple Music and Spotify were using her to prove that an "outsider" artist could become the biggest pop star on Earth due to music streaming, and that streambait artists could have sustainable careers. They were using her to beat back against people like Taylor Swift who notoriously hated streaming and took all her music off Spotify at one point.I mean, with all her alleged leftist politics and concern over, say, Palestine, don't you find it odd she hasn't said anything about Spotify's CEO investing in AI drone warfare? A lot of artists were pulling their music from the platform in protest yet she hasn't said a word.
Ever consider maybe she's just good and you're out of touch?
>>127687629And what has she done that's particularly incredible? Her vocals are mediocre, she tries way too hard to be edgy and experimental when she comes off as try-hard, and she puts on a fake socially conscious persona without any substance to it.
>>127687629kek her voice has so much power and projection she has to whisper everything, nobody knows what good is anymore, you know who is actually good? Celine Dion, she actually has technique and skill not just "muh soft whisper timbre"
The middest bitch who ever lived
>>127687429>her brother was carrying herand yet he does nothing with other artists and his solo stuff is mid. Strange for someone who apparently carries the top new artist of today.
>>127687667this is all accurate but even if you ignore her inauthenticity and only look from a skill standpoint alone she is still nothing special, if she was fat and ugly she would lose most of her appeal
>>127687683Many such cases, do you think Billie writes all her lyrics, composes all her melodies, and plays all of her instruments? Go look at the credits of Birds of a Feather, there is much more to music than just vocals, even in Pop. Don't even get me started on all the vocal editing done with her takes.
>>127687683https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WHwqGDfnOGoFrom her own mouth herself retard
>>127687352>wants Trump protest songsGrow up, libtard hippie scumbag.
>>127687713likely Finneas does all the production and instrumentals and billie does mostly lyrics and melodies, They will each help out with each-other ovrall and chime in with what works and what doesn't.
>>127687273Music for fat girls to fantasize to.
>>127687745what is this supposed to prove? She's literally saying they wrote and made music together. Nothing about him doing all the work.
>>127687677>>127687692She CAN sing though. She has songs like Happier Than Ever where she belts. Even in Birds of a Feather she's belting at the end.
>>127687807Female detected.
>>127687787She said a lot more than that, nice deliberate dishonesty though>>127687770Why speculate when the info is already out there? >>127687807Barely, Taylor Swift can do that, can she belt like Adele?
>>127687820kek, so delusional it hurts, inb4 singing is subjective, bitches just don't know ball and it shows, shit even Ariana Grande is a better singer but either way this entire thread is dumb
>>127687528>don't you find it odd she hasn't said anything about Spotify's CEO investing in AI drone warfare? A lot of artists were pulling their music from the platform in protest yet she hasn't said a word.She's smart enough to know not to bite the hand that feeds her.The only reason she's still a hot artist is due to streaming numbers. How many are real vs fake, one cannot say. But the point is, the hype around her certainly wasn't sustainable enough.
>>127687822>nice deliberate dishonesty thoughthis is the video you posted. Please point out where I'm wrong.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHwqGDfnOGo&ab_channel=EilishUntold
>>127687857*also this video sounds like AI. Her speaking is very unnatural.
>>127687857>can't live without>my best friend>my producer>my biggest believer>he makes life beautiful>I wouldn't be here without himMissed a lot, or do you think making music is just robotic with zero human input?
Damn, the simps are getting frustrated
>>127687870lmao. So her brother is a big inspiration to her. Good for him. I don't see how that negates any work she puts into making the songs.
>>127687880I'm telling you, if she was ugly half of these retarded arguments wouldn't be made.
>>127687870>>127687885Not even her brother can make her sound good though.
>>127687880One day Billie will notice my posts defending her and she will ask me to be her boyfriend.
>>127687885>negates any workMoving goalposts now that you have been proven wrong?
>>127687901the original argument was that her brother does all the work and carries her success.
>>127687902>does all the workDo you just continue to be disingenuous deliberately or do you not even realize it? I literally never said that; you are so dishonest it is pathetic.
>>127687273Kek, if you were to ask any pop music guru which artist will be remembered as the most "revolutionary" of our times 20 years from now they'll tell you it's Kendrick Lamar, not Billie. Kendrick gets accolades from actual intellectuals and music theorists. Billie gets accolades from industry people only. Which self-respecting music professor at university would dedicate an entire music course to Billie Eilish or write music theory books about her? She's nothing.
>>127687909You have a vagina.
>>127687917This. I'm not a big fan of either but Section.80 and GKMC alone mog anything Billie Eilish has ever done and ever will do. You don't even need to include anything after, it is beyond her capabilities, she isn't a true artist like most modern mainstream pop stars, the days of MJ and Prince are over. These modern stars don't come close to the actual creativity real artists provided.>>127687921>repeatedly gets rekt>resorts to ad hom after dishonesty doesn't workMany such cases. I have a dick but resorting to ad hominems after losing an argument is something someone with a vagina would actually do.
>>127687887She was a fat girl wearing baggy clothing for the majority of her career until recent. And even having slimmed down, looks uncanny. I don't think this is the angle you guys wanna take.
>>127687298bazed
>>127687909This was the original post that I was replying to. Maybe you made a diferent one I dunno but this was the one i was referring to >>127687429>one can only whisper into a mic for so long before people realize she isn't really talented, her brother was carrying her as most producers do
>>127687273Why would she be political? A big effect of the streaming era is that music mainly appeals to niches now and pop stars need to work extra hard to have a universal appeal. Billie doesn't want to lose that universalism by alienating so many of her listeners by making Joan Baez tier protest shit.
>>127687963>A big effect of the streaming era is that music mainly appeals to niches now and pop stars need to work extra hard to have a universal appeal.Explain Olivia (who isn't even white) and Sabrina then.
>>127687946Still hotter than Sabrina Carpenter and simps swoon after her despite her lack of cleavage.>>127687962Exactly. Notice how that doesn't contain the quote you alleged, done replying to your disingenuous goalpost-moving dumbass. You moved the argument so far from the original statement, which was clearly hyperbolic, but I wouldn't expect someone with such obliviousness to catch that.
>>127687273>And why haven't she and her brother taken the opportunity to make anti-Trump anthems now? After all, a time of protest and mass political urgency like we're seeing today needs protest music.I thought her political music was all bummed out though. It's like Type O Negative telling you to get out the vote. The liberals don't understand politics. You need to get people in the mindset to go club the other guys' heads in with big clubs to win elections in this country.
>>127687976I'm going to miss arguing with you. Hopefully I'll see you in the next anti-Billie thread.
>>127687984Liberals are more obsessed with aesthetics than concrete political messaging anyway. That's why they were all chimping out over Sydney Sweeney's good jeans but aren't doing anything to get Americans healthcare.
We need Obama to come back. And the "protest" music needs to be sung by valkyries. More Sturm und Drang. We need to go back.https://youtu.be/o8uMXyxvbKA
>>127687280Birds of a Feather sounds like an outdated indie pop song from 2010.
>>127687946>fat in random paparazzi photos from 2020>fat for most of her careershameless cope
>>127688015I'd unironically rather listen to literal birds, I wish I was kidding.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmmsl2X_--U
>>127688015It's just basic. Like what's special about it? It's a fucking pop song no different than anything Sabrina or Olivia could make.
>>127687917>>127687928Now I'm reminded of how pissed off she looked when she kept losing Grammys to Kendrick. Sore loser.
>>127688048Maybe she should actually make a creative concept album instead of generic pop worsened by whispering and have a message beyond "I'm bisexual".
>>127688072Or learn better lyricism. Or learn how to sing.
>>127688072Yes, much worse than kendrick's "I'm black and kinda zesty" output as of late
i thought she was ancient news by now and pretty much everyone had forgotten about her
>>127688087>I'm not a big fan of eitherReading comprehension is really not that difficult.
>>127688091The only thing keeping her relevant is her high streaming numbers. She's one of the top artists globally.
>>127688043the song is "pretty" and has a nice happy, emotional feel to it. Sabrina and Olivia don't have anything that sounds similar.
>>127687273People were comparing her to Kate Bush and Björk.
>>127688166maybe she needs to be 30 like when bjork started her solo stuff, to get some creative vision, but she legitimately hasn't gone beyond the "I'm a melodramatic teen with feelings" style in 6 years
>>127688166On what basis?
Post feet.
>>127688269"She makes art pop."
>>127688015It is the sound of Bed, Bath, and Beyond.
>>127687273Well she made a career ripping off Black culture, so she's basically the zoomer Elvis.
>>127688441At least Elvis could actually sing.
>>127687273She deserves massive accolades just on the basis of My Future and What Was I Made For.Those are really beautiful, lyrically rich, songs. And they sound more like Julie London than anything in current pop music.And Finn is an excellent producer, there's no denying that.The phoney media hype machine is annoying af, so I understand the animosity.You see the same with how schoolteachers destroy Shakespeare for so many people with their shitty, lazy, or incompetent teaching methods.But don't let people who are not the artist ruin your enjoyment of the artist's music for you.
>>127688453and dance
>>127688473>reddit spacingOpinion disregarded.
>>127688441This guy with his first-year undergrad energy has discovered this single facile talking point about "ripping off black culture" and inserts it into every thread.It shows both that he doesn't understand anything about how creativity works, and that he knows very little about music history, other than the version imprinted on him by the agenda-driven far left.Or maybe he's just trolling.Either way, don't be mean to him, try to be patient,
>>127688487I don't think you know what Reddit spacing is, kiddo.Instead of a block of text I made it easier to read by providing some space, sorry to have triggered your PTSD; I was unaware of your "special concerns" status.
>>127688441She used to dress like this.No idea why people were okay with this but not okay with Iggy Azalea.
>>127688473Max Martin is also an excellent producer. Pop music is entirely carried by producers.Finneas' solo work is also dogshit. Remember Ashe? She was his other pet project and her career sank harder than a lead balloon.
>>127688473>And Finn is an excellent producer, there's no denying that.He's average at best.
>>127687273>That they made their album in the brother's bedroom? So what? Nobody cares where an album was made.It's more that she was 15-16 when the album was made and people can't believe a teenager with very little previous musical experience or training could make an album that good.
>>127688699>with very little previous musical experience or trainingThis isn't true actually. Her mother was a vocal coach along with being a part-time actress. Finneas was already an established musician by that time too.
>>127687273ELON MUSK LOVES PUSSY DOGE TO THE MOON NIGGA 1 TRILLION DOLLARS BIATCH SOUTH AFRICA REPRESENT FUCK DEM NIGGAS
>>127688737Yeah. She was the hot alien warrior nun from Mass Effect.
>>127688166HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWhy?
>>127688750cuh on them bathroom saltines lmao
>>127687909>>127687999>Liberals are more obsessed with aesthetics than concrete political messaging anyway. That's why they were all chimping out over Sydney Sweeney's good jeans but aren't doing anything to get Americans healthcare.You sound young.Liberals did in fact try to fix America's health care system. The problem is, the conservatives in Washington and all across the news media faught tooth-and-nail against a litany of plans and ideas that would have been far better for people than the Romneycare you wound up with.(Yes, I know you guys call it "Obamacare." But the whole plan was based on what Mitt Romney did with health care when he was governor of Massachusetts.)
>>127689109You quoted two different people and this is not /pol/
Based Billie still making boomers seethe lmao
>>127687528This is most likely true and probably why the term bedroom pop exists. Spotify had a big playlist up for bedroom pop music before the music community could even decide what made it a unique genre in the first place or if it even was a genre (its not)
>>127687683hope she sees this bro
>>127689109>faughtlol
>>127687273it was obviously always forced commercial garbage and its fucking comical the way people tried to take this pop star seriously as if she saved music
>dates black guys>eventually one of them beats the shit out of her>after that dates only white guys'Nuff said.
>>127689728it was all literal boomers hyping her up i never heard a younger person doing it
>>127690313that was part of the marketing stunt. if they threw enough checks at boomer rockers like Flea or Grohl or any of those guys to plug her then it would make her more "legit" somehow.
>>127688110>The only thing keeping her relevant is her massive popularity
>>127689728i mean obviously nothing she did was in the remotest original, it was just Lorde/Elle King
>>127690375>i mean obviously nothing she did was in the remotest original, it was just Lorde/Elle Kingbut if she did boomer buttrock riffs then it would be ok, right? as if that was totally original music nobody had ever done before.
>>127689109why does this read like a Huffington Post article from 2013?
>>127687917>Kendrick gets accolades from actual intellectuals and music theorists.Stopped reading there.
>>127680947Pop was pants in those days and it's worse now.
>>127689698Interesting
>>127687917Billie gets accolades from white liberal feminists for being anti-Trump and not showing her body.
>>127691575observe that they can't actually give her accolades for the music as there's no music there worth discussing
>>127687273>bawww her vapid woke ranting is not political enoughWoke idiots these days have no real talent, as you've demonstrated.>anti-establishment>anti-TrumpChoke on a face mask you Fauci fuccboi.
she lost any cred as anti-establishment by posing with Biden at the White House
>>127687528Also to beat back against the major labels so that streaming services could take control of the music industry. Why do you think so much of the hype around Billie centred on the idea she and her brother “defied” their label?
>>127687273Her music doesn’t need to be political in order to be good.
>>127687273To be honest, I think people are tired of her dark emo pop. They want something brighter to get them through hard times.
>>127687528Right. You also have to keep in mind that Billie got big during the era of SoundCloud rap where disposable teen acts with brightly coloured hair and face tats were a dime a dozen. If your song blew up on SoundCloud it was assumed you were going to be a one hit wonder.
>>127694760>>127692021so this was just the boomer equivalent of those Soundcloud acts, right?
>>127688548Iggy Azalea was better and she actually grinded on black guys in her videos before the race police showed up.
>>127694714>To be honest, I think people are tired of her dark emo pop. They want something brighter to get them through hard times.The age of dark disco is here. Little Monsters reporting in.https://youtu.be/xGaZBfJOyAc
>>127687273Absoluley no idea who that was till elon musk. Now call me "boomer"
>>127695335lurk moar
>>127687984she was ree-ing hard in the run up to the election, posting 'he needs to be stoppped!' right after the 2nd assassination attempt. hot bitch but her brain is so melted so i feel no shame for the GBs of deepfakes i make of her armpits
>>127687273>why is the bulk of her music apolitical?Because thats corny and for midtiws>hurrdurr war is bad, hurrdurr poverty is bad, greed is bad mkkk, capitalism is bad mkkk, stuff my politician always did but now your politician does is bad, but yesterday it wasnt for my politician, hunger is bad mkkk, corruption is bad mkkkkIf your "ideology" needs validation from a celebrity either you are very dimwitted or your ideology is shit and cant sustain by itself.Regarding Lennon, we actually have now a world without religion and without borders. Surprise: its shit.
>>127695975>Regarding Lennon, we actually have now a world without religion If we had a world without religion there would be peace in the middle east. So that obviously is not the case.
>>127696028>middle eastYou dont live there. And the problems were you live are directly related to Atheism rising. In fact, I might also argue that Jerusalem is catholic ground and there would be no issue if Christianism didnt cuck to no borders no religion hippie shit and took the land for itself.
>>127696733Yeah okay but how many divisions does the Pope have
>>127687474Astrud Gilberto was doing it over five decades beforehand, Chet Baker even earlier
>>127687273>Where are her anti-war, anti-capitalist, and anti-establishment anthems? Why is there no assertiveness in any of her music that is political? And why haven't she and her brother taken the opportunity to make anti-Trump anthems now?Finneas has some solo anti-Trump songs but they're absolutely terrible and preachy af.
>>127697585oh well at least he put his money where his mouth was and threw a couple of Molotov cocktails at ICE agents in a protest
>>127697597>and threw a couple of Molotov cocktails at ICE agents in a protestHe's a liberal who was chimping out over radical leftists refusing to vote for Kamala last year.
>>127687273I'm waiting for her to make a really bad album or single so no one gives a shit about her anymore.
>>127688979>cuh on them bathroom saltines lmaoI love when niggers hurl insults. You always sound so fucking retarded and are completely unaware of it. It's absolutely hilarious. Keep huffing paint chips, nigger. We need that IQ even lower.
Look up who her uncle is. Lol.
>>127687273All I know of hers is that Bad Guy songShe has nice tits though
>>127698149Yeah. Brian Baird, a former member of Congress from Washington State who is buddies with Bill Gates and John Kerry. Surprised no one has ever mentioned her family's political ties.
>>127698181>Bill GatesJesus fuck
>>127698181/thread.
>>127698181Okay, and?
>>127689109…are the Liberals trying to fix America's health care system in the room with us right now?
>>127695967contemplate the aroma
>>127701232Bruh
>>127687917Because Kendrick is Black and his cultural achievements are considered a source of pride for Black Americans.Billie is a white girl whose fanbase is overwhelmingly obnoxious white girls.
>>127703037how very strange considering that 90% of Kendrick's fanbase is white men who look like Fantano
>>127703065Not really. A lot of Black people highly respect Kendrick.
>>127687273Her politics are to the right of most of her generation.
>>127703437Such as?
>>127687273She can’t sing. Her voice is hideous just like her face.
>>127704311This. The Democrats are a centre-right party.
>>127687273I may be an old uncool millennial, but if it sounds like shit, it's probably shit.
>lies about her age big time when she was born in the early 90s
>>127687273She should make a song celebrating the shooting of Charlie Kirk.
It's hilarious to me that she was so popular while also being a straight up wigger lol
>>127708502And was later exposed for having a racist white boyfriend.
>>127698181She's truly Jim Morrison of zoomer generation
>>127698181Nobody knows or cares.
what exactly did she do that was so "innovative"? yet all the websites in '19 were parading her as that.
>>127687355with poop included
>>127708502she has a song with khalidhttps://youtu.be/V1Pl8CzNzCw
>>127711268Mixed trap with pop or something.
>>127711268A website said she was innovative so some NPCs/boomers believed she was.
