>all you need to do is spend 3-5 hours in deliberate practice from age 13 to 20.>then you have guaranteed work, social circle, respect, fulfillment for the rest of your life. Skilled musicians tend to be cool people and make good friends>And according to research, you only need 1-2 hours a day of practice to maintain your skill once you get to that levelif only my dad bought me a bunch of instruments and threw out my computer when I was a kid. I'd be so happy right now. I'd even have been happier as a kid. fuckIf I ever have a kid they're getting a room full of instruments and no computer. They have to leave the house and go somewhere if they want to use the internet
>>127705432Anon you also need to build connections and learn how to write songs and shitWank is cool and all but you know what's really cool?Coldplay levels of success
>>127705432>if only my dadyou know, out there there's skilled programmers, artists, writers, and mathematicians that learned on a computer. did you?
>>127705475yes, I made a living in computer graphics in my 20's on the computer. remotely. sitting alone, in a room, not making friends, and now the industry's crashed. I unironically regret every second I spent learning tech skills instead of getting better at music. My best memories in life were in choir and band class making music with my buddies
>>127705502Music is a meme career anonIt's all dead unless you are extremely good at writing pop songs
>>127705502>My best memories in life were in choir and band class making music with my buddieswhy'd you stop then? do you specifically want to be a classical musician?
>>127705502The musicians are going to get fucked by AI now, so that industry will also crash. I love playing music as a hobby, but I am so fucking glad I didn't make it my career.
>>127705432actually the link i have found to most successful artists in the past 20 years is that they started playing around 5 years old and were showboated by their parents to already successful musicians when they are 8-10 as a child prodigy. joe bonamassa and trey hensley are two prominent examples. there are countless others
>>127705552how good do you have to be just to play with skilled (actual good, skilled, non-shitty) musicians? I was semi-professional at singing , sang bass in professional choirs in my early 20's and was pretty good at it.. That was years ago though and my voice is shot due to illness so I'm trying to learn instruments now. Idgaf about making money I just miss having music buddies and making good music in a group
>>127705584it's a bell curve. at the lower end you have groups of fledgling musicians typically young, in the middle you have people that are already playing small gigs and expect people at or more typically above their own skill levels to just immediately meld into the band, and on the upper end you have older people who play just for fun and beer money
>>127705584Depends on the instrument and the genreIf you wanna play bass in a rock band you don't have to have much technical skill at the instrumentIf you wanna play like jazz you better know what you're doing
>>127705432>If I ever have a kid they're getting a room full of instruments and no computer. They have to leave the house and go somewhere if they want to use the interneti've been thinking about this kind of stuff because i also never got to do any of what i wanted. i don't expect them to like the same things as me, looking at how few people in my family have anything in common with each other let alone when you go beyond the surface. i guess i would show them everything i do and teach them if they show interest and ability, and then try to look at other things if nothing sticks. as long as they're happy in their own lives i don't need them to fix my frustrations.
>>127705627OP, you're a fucking faggot. You could've spent 100 bucks on a cheap guitar and taught yourself in your bedroom growing up like thousands of us have done without our father's support. Instead you're trying to sound like the bigger person for being forgiving of them for not ... mentoring you in a hobby ? Are you fucking kidding me? You think great modern songwriters don't have computers and didn't have them growing up? Fuck I was gonna give you some good advice, but you're an absolute midwit. Fuck outta here, go have your manbaby cry by yourself.
>>127705584i've been playing for a bit over 10 years with goals that were all over the place and every single dead end you can possibly hit when you're self taught, and i can go to jazz jam sessions if i prepare beforehand and only play what i propose.so i guess it takes about that long.i also happen to know a real musician who has been playing for around the same time, he's of course much much better anywhere that there's any overlap in what we do, which is almost all of it, but i still know a few things that he has never touched, and that very people have, so i'm working on turning this unlikely combination into something cohesive, but i started late and won't be able to commit to music anytime in the near future, so who knows if it will ever work.
>>127705688i'm not OP, and you're retarded.unlike you i think about how i'm going to raise my children unlike how your parents clearly didn't seeing as how the thought doesn't even cross your mind. go take out your issues on your dad or whatever.
>>127705688i'm here trying to see how people feel about the way they grew up but i guess i have one example of a bad experience that produced an emotional bitter adult right here.
>>127705611I'm playing keyboard/piano currently hoping that will give me some versatility. I normally like folk, traditional, baroque, renaissance music, and some modern/asian ballads but will play whatever sort of group as long as I fit in and it sounds good o algo. No idea if that's a good idea or not.I looked up all the research on musicians and apparently you need a minimum of 3 hours of deliberate practice a day in order to be competitive, and up to 5 hours (no additional benefits beyond 5 hours of practice). So that's what I'm doing, 3-5 hours of piano a day until I get good. In 6 months that's gotten me from no hand/finger independence, or ability to play anything to being able to play intermediate level ballads and sound good. Still feel like I'm far from being able to effectively play with people though
>>127705432guaranteed work is the biggest joke ive ever heard. you need extreme talent and the ability to play any genre or style to have anything remotely close to guaranteed work as a full time pro musician in 2025
>>127705759There's a difference between jamming and playing songsIn a month you could be playing Billy Joel songs It really depends on the group you're apart ofYou could utterly suck at jamming but if you know how to write shit you can just do that and show it to the group
>>127705432>then you have guaranteed work, social circle, respect, fulfillment for the rest of your life. Skilled musicians tend to be cool people and make good friendsthe best case scenario is not the average scenario at all. Your plans will get fucked in the ass over and over again no matter how hard you try but yeah, you could theoretically work in music indefinitely until your health declines or any one of infinity roadblocks hits your life
>>127705432I've put about 50k hours in, and have achieved, through music, being middle class for my entire 30s and 40s. here's my breakdown:0-10 just was kinda good at some stuff so would spend probably 5 hours a week in various church/school music programs.11-18 remained good at stuff, practiced/played more like 10 hours a week19-35 music became all consuming, spent between 2-12 hours a day, some several month stretches of +8 hours every day36-late 40s burnt out but spend probably 30 hours a week average, some 70+ hour weeksNo regrets but it's a lot of time alone and you have to love it, learn small business, and be open to other people and new things. And I believe it's gotten harder. That said, the young musicians I know are still the coolest people, and it's a basic human activity. That means it'll probably continue being a basic human activity.Music took care of me and saved my life several times.
>>127706929and i've had plenty of other jobs along the way
My understanding is that you get a permanent boost if you do the real high hours of practice during childhood (30 hours a week starting from 12 or earlier) because there's a sensitive period where your ear can adapt more profoundly than it can later. E.g you can only develop perfect pitch at a certain age after which it's impossible.Likewise if you take a tone deaf 25 year old I'm not sure it's possible to teach them good pitch. The young music academies generally go for ages 11-14 or younger and they won't even let you in the conservatory past 20 usually.But I suppose only a tiny tiny fraction of kids have the focus or discipline for deliberate practice, let alone for several hours a day
>>127707845>perfect pitchmeme
Are there electric pianos that can read sheet music and light up which keys to press? And would buying 1 be a good/bad idea?Same question for guitar. I think they sell something like that. I think it would make learning for a beginner easier.
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>>127705552You underestimate the amount of boomers that have retarded amounts of money and also love live music and alcohol. Zeppelin isnt coming to their town anytime soon but they still want to hear it live.
>tfw thinking of picking up an instrument for the first time after wasting years on political work>30 years old
>>127710121if you know what you want to do and are not retarded it'll take you like 5 years to be above 90% of people.if you are retarded you won't get anywhere anyway.
>>127705432I think being a regularly employed classical musician would be much more comfy than a rockstar. In retrospect. If you work for a city symphony, I suppose it'd be like having a regular job...except more fun and lots of cool people to meet.
>>127705432when you enjoy playing music those hours of deliberate practice are actually just fun. i would often find myself rushing home after work because i wanted to play tunes and would continue after dinner as well. if you dont have that inspiration to want to do it then no amount of grinding will matter
The learning process of classical seems like the only stressful part. And that's mostly fun. Once you're getting regular "gigs", there's less hipsters and "scenes" and weird social competition and drama that has nothing to do with music. Oh, and drummers' girlfriends changing your band name.
I'm 30 and started 2 years ago, 5 more and i'll make it!
I'm not OP or this guy >>127705502but I also went more into studying design and illustration stuff that was a dead end. I did practice instruments when I was young but could have taken it the extra mile and easily made more than the meager existence that art and design provided.. a now totally dead career with Ai art. I still can do it now but being aged out of pop/rock/indie/etc stardom I could be at best be a producer for other people or some kind of niche retro style trad genre or electronic type person.
>>127711385How old are you?
>>127711396early 40s
>>127711434Ah, ok, there are many edm producers and even famous rappers, metal musicans and so on in their prime at that age. Don't write yourself off easily if you love music
>>127711385>>127711434You at least got something out of it. Computer illustration's real heyday was probably for boomers (desktop publishing) and dotcom Gen Xers who've been holding down that job at the top until recently. And now that they're slowly retiring, the industry itself is at risk of falling apart.
>>127705432>if only my dad bought me a bunch of instruments and threw out my computer when I was a kid. I'd be so happy right now. I'd even have been happier as a kid.no you wouldn't have, you would have resented him and directly tied said resentment to the instruments.>If I ever have a kid they're getting a room full of instruments and no computer. They have to leave the house and go somewhere if they want to use the internetgreat way to have your future kids resent you as well as depriving them of a social life.
>>127711457I've not 100% given up yet. >>127711460I really didn't get enough out of it to the point that I think if I went to college for music instead it would have been more beneficial. But oh well. They are both careers that are discouraged but in the late 90s graphic design was big so I was more encouraged to learn that sort of stuff.
>>127711524I'm sorry to hear that dude. I hope you find something to keep you afloat. One strategy off the top of my head is keep your eye out for work with companies and people who like being more down to earth in the first place.Tap into that market. Whether it's just a humble rural business or some crystal lady. lol. People who appreciate the human touch.I don't mean to derail. Like I said, just a thought.
>>127711488How fuckin conceited you are, to think you know how to parent an anon's kid better than anon themselves. Get fucked, retard.
>>127705432>then you have guaranteed workThis isn't true at all. There are way more classical musicians than there are positions for them. It's insanely cutthroat, and the only people who can make it are rich enough to eat shit for $0 for years on end.
>>127709377Having light-up keys would probably hold you back. You'd become dependent on them and not be able to play without.
>>127711762OP doesn't have any kids dumbshit
Same with my kids. I had to choose to learn drums at 16 and train hard myself and it wasn't until 18 that I picked up guitar and it felt like I finally woke up and the next 10 years were some of the best I lived. Unfortunately I'm bout as good as the average kid that trains from 10 to 18
can’t go back in time nowt. 31 year old poorfag
"Making it" and making good music are two different things. I've had some recognition for mediocre music and have had very good music ignored. I'll take the good music over success any day. It's more rewarding.
