This is one of my favourite albums, why is it not discussed here?
you are either a 40 year old woman or a femenine gay guythere is no other way
>>127710280Not enough gays here to talk about it
>>127710580I'm gay and Madonna is mid
Ray of Light [Maverick, 1998]Pretty sensual for pop enlightenment, thank God ("Skin," "Candy Perfume Girl"). *
>>127710280>why is it not discussed here?it hasn't blown up on tiktok yet
>>127710280idk but its pretty good. Madonnas high point was all three of her 90s albums but this one specifically feels like the most forward thinking. Wish we could get another high energy trance madonna album but we'll have to settle for Veronica Electronica. Eh, who knows, maybe its all a teaser for a proper 'Veronica' release.IDK. but yeah. I religiously listen to the track Ray of Light whenever I take off on an airplane. Skin was made for the ket gays, Frozen/The Power of Goodbye is such an emotional/ethereal combo, and then Little Star/Mer Girl is probably the best version of an ode to motherhood/her mother that she's got throughout her career. (Future versions are...very clunky)
>>127710280Was the rest of this album really as good as the title track? Ray Of Light is a legit fucking great pop song. Nothing cheesy or cringe about it like most of her others that would come later and other wpop whores. Would like to hear the rest
Madonna's voice is just so weak and characterless. With her good songs I have imagine how much better they'd be if they had been given to any other major female singer.
>>127710280kylie moggs
>>127712911At least Madonna made albums, Kylie made singles surrounded by filler.
>>127712974Kylie’s singles are better than Madonna’s albums.
>>127713355there could be a reason why Americans just ignored her outside 1-2 random moments
>>127713355Can't Get You out of My Head alone mogs Madonna's whole discography (except maybe La Isla Bonita).
>>127713501madonna has easily a dozen songs that are as good or better than la Isla bonita
>>127713509Madonna has quite a few good songs, but most of them are heavily locked to their release date. La Isla Bonita is one of the few timeless classics Madonna managed to release. It's still great.
>>127713523>Madonna has quite a few good songs, but most of them are heavily locked to their release datei think someone said in the 1986 thread that Live To Tell's synths hopeless trap it in that time
>>127713534That song is tedious as hell, it's like wading through tar.
>>127713534Anon is correct. Madonna's trademark has always been releasing music that fits its time. She still does it, see Madame X or her latest remix compilation (which is underrated btw). The problem is just that while this yields her short time success and relevancy, it doesn't lead to long time staying power. Through sheer quantity of released music over her 4 decade career she has a few records that proved to be timeless by chance, but she is not a great artist whatsoever. She is and always has been a slave to contemporary taste. I'm sorry to say it, but Madonna's musical legacy will not last. She was a revolutionary performer though.
>>127710280I got a couple of her albums free curbside. Gave a listen and I noticed that after the Guy Ritchie divorce she spiraled into a dark foid chaos. It's very obvious that divorce wrecked her mind and spirit. Stuff like Ray Of Light, Confessions, that marriage run of albums made life in themIt's not the kind of music I usually listen to or have an opinion on, but here we are. Her relationship with Dennis Rodman, the opening scene in Reservoir Dogs gave me a slight interest in her work, that and she was crazy for Lock, Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels OST, which kicked ass, she charmed the pants off some suits to release it in the states. She had some good stuff with Prince, but who doesn't, bedtime stories, the like a virgin and blue albums are ok, to me she's more a visual than audio. She looks bogged out of beyond now.eh, none of her music resonated with me so I'll put this stuff curbside for someone else.
>>127712883This just isn't true
>>127713672>Gave a listen and I noticed that after the Guy Ritchie divorce she spiraled into a dark foid chaos. It's very obvious that divorce wrecked her mind and spiritI think turning 40 and having the world's worst midlife crisis also had to do something with it.
also when Liz Rosenberg retired there was no voice of sanity in the room to prevent her more stupid ideas from being acted on
>>127714899>>127713672So I'm reminded in some ways of Rosemary Clooney who also completely lost her mind in the mid to late 60s for similar reasons and was literally insane for a while and under psychiatric care. Of course she eventually recovered to become the pleasant old fat lady who made a jazz album every year until her death. Madonna has never shown the same capacity to pull herself together, but that comes from being part of a totally different generation with a totally different mentality.
>>127714899she totally fell apart and was obsessed with trying to chase Britney and Christina's audience
>>127715006Yes she completely forgot who she was.
>>127714961it's rather too bad she never found a proper path to be a mature adult artist, well she almost did in the 90s
>>127713617Bitch I’m Madonna is so violently 2015 it hurts.
>>127712469It's not characterless, she can't sing but anyone can recognize her voice. It works for her.
>>127712469she abandoned the chipmunk voice from the first two albums on True Blue
>>127714961Madonna came up in the bloated egotistic rock star culture which pre-rock singers didn't have; they viewed the business as more like working on a factory line.
>>127712409No. Ray of Light is one of those clichés that people *want* to love, because it ticks a certain number of music nerd boxes (the main one being "what if Madonna made a respectable album"). No one actually enjoys listening to it all that much; certainly not all the way through, all proper like. Pretentious adult-contempo dullness, with none of the spunk and irreverence of her '80s work (which, yes, had better production than this, and consisted of actual songs). The slow tracks reek of the 'tasteful' smalltown hair salon/cosmetics retailer, and the upbeat ones sound like they were made with the express purpose of selling dial-up internet.Slop for suckers. If you fall for this, you'll fall for anything.
I thought ray of light was an early 90s song
>>127715380it's as if she'd been on hiatus since the early 90s to have a family and it was probably the last time she listened to current music
I agree ROL is a bit flat and lacking in punch.
>>127710661I guess Bob is right on this one.
>>127715380Rumor has it the song was originally going to be 10 minutes but they edited it down.
>>127715351okay, but what about if I'm NOT an incel?
>>127715351>>127714961that's like Clooney (and Teresa Brewer). the prodigies of late career jazz albums they cranked out lack a lot of the youthful spontaneity of their 50s output which also for that matter had better production and actual songs.
>>127712469>>127715144lol okayhttps://youtu.be/G333Is7VPOg?si=P3gfqqpfiq1IcNZf
worth noting she hates the debut album probably because she didn't have much creative control at that point and the songs are pretty bubblegum
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Hearing Substitute For Love is one of my earliest definite memories, it's peak Y2K core
>>127714899Anon, Musk exists
>>127710280dannii did it first btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=damHj3Obztk
>>127710661LOL Christgau's review is a "how do you do fellow kids?" from one boomer to another
>>127716407in what way
>>127716419in what way isn't it?literally a couple of boomers going "hey I really like this electronica dance stuff that's happening. has anyone seen my friend Molly?"
First track is great, title track is terrific, and Sky Fits Heaven is very underrated, but the rest bores me and tests my patience. Not a bad album, but too long.
>>127717017>how do you do fellow kidsnah that's not ROL and its bland adult contemporary slop, it's the extremely unfortunate albums that followed it
>>127717063>it's the extremely unfortunate albums that followed itOn top of which Millenials' main memories of Madonna are the Britney kiss and all the other desperate and facepalm-inducing stuff she did in 2000 onward.
>>127717017>HECKIN BOOMERINOSshut up
>>127710280Frozen is the only song I like from her
