>spiritual era>sounds...spiritual, religious, free>influenced everyone, directly continued or copied by many>before that>ballads played with tastefulness and inspiration only attainable with actual real life magic probably>already doing it in his very first solo album>no one else has ever managed to reach that level again>not even his son/clone who can hit his style perfectly doing anything elsei think his spiritual shift came after having some powers revoked rather than granted
>>127715277It's called heroin
>>127715402i assume you're joking but now that i think about it, the images that i get from his solos fit the descriptions of opioid floating bliss. it makes too much sense for this in particular.but then tons of others saxophonists do drugs so who knows...
>>127715749But Trane had a direct line to Godhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF0VBILOkUw
>>127715805>Trane had a direct line to Godyes, when he played ballads, that is, as per the OP.
White people love calling black musicians "spiritual" because they can't let go of the magical negro trope
>>127715860>yes, when he played ballads, that isRookie mistake. He was tasteful, etc. but he wasn't trascendental, the real soul is post-1965. If don't get it, you just can't and I pity you.
>>127715925his playing didn't have a theme of transcendence, which is completely independent from the level of the execution being actually transcendent.
John Coltrane
>>127716159yeah man
>>127715959You correctly used the word "transcendent" instead of misapplying the Kantian term "transcendental" so I agree with you
>>127716159John Coltrane!
>>127715277coltrane went to shit when he got all free and spiritual. only jazz tourists disagree
coltrane
i find it disrespectful to both trane and the idiom of jazz when people get all woo woo about spirituality and god speaking through him or w/e he was a human and his music came as a result of love for the idiom and a ton of shedding.
>>127718698i read that he would sometimes practice for 12 hours in his hotel room while on tour
>>127715277>influenced everyoneloool"""spiritual""" jazz fags will never not be a joke
jimmy cobb is the poor mans philly joe
>>127718845yes there are interviews with his wife Alice where she said she would barely see him at times because he'd spend 10+ hours a day writing and practicing, he'd only come down to eat or put the kids to bed. dude was unbelievably dedicated and disciplined, that's the real reason why he became a GOAT.
>>127717068Half-truth, lots of tourists hate late-era Trane because they're used only to his modal and hard-bop stuff, but other kinds of tourists love the late stuff primarily, usually because they're rock/metalheads who can only enjoy jazz when it's LE HEAVY CHAOS like a lot of avant-garde and free stuff.
>>127720778Trane practiced so much that he would even be caught in public bathrooms playing sax lol. Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KekSaZ160uw
"Spiritual" jazz is only good when they tap into negro spirituals, anything else is just superstition larping as theology.
>>127715277>thread about spiritual jazz>OP posts very by-the-books hardbop album
>>127722759>frankl fans cannot read
>>127715277His first solo album isn't even good and picrel is far from his best ballads work, maybe stick to Bill Evans and Dave Brubeck.
>>127722960what is the best then? the one with Duke Ellington? or Ballads?
>>127722912The standards are ballads by compositional bases, but the improvisations are just hardbop, most of the players on here aren't even known for ballads. It's also not his very first studio album.
>>127722972Interstellar Space. Unless you're a fucktarded pleb, then My Favorite Things
>>127723009>rockist that discovered jazz 8 months ago
>>127723045>>127720817There's nothing "chaotic" about late era Trane, it's actually the opposite.
>>127723103Though your point is valid and debateable, what's not debateable is that metalheads do like free jazz because they find it chaotic, they say so all the time
>>127723009>best coltrane album>doesn't have mccoy tyner
>>127723141McCoy quit because he couldn't handle the heat.Alice >>>> McCoy
>>127723189Alice was better at "spiritual" shit, Mccoy mogged her when it comes to hardbop, ballads, modal, postbop, third stream and was overall just a more unpredictable and joyful player.
>>127723208Also better at blues, forgot to mention that one
>>127723133nta but I'm more of a shred head personally, as distinguished from specifically a metal head. As far as Coltrane, I've really only listened to Giant Steps so far.
Dolphy tour > Monk era > Miles junkie era >Modal era > Free Jazz era > Miles clean era > Ballads era
>>127723332Not a big Monk guy myself personally, but based take nonetheless. Trane + Dolphy always equals sovl and kino
>>127723332Crazy how much better Dolphy made both Coltrane and Mingus, and also how his own compositions completely mog both of them, and yet he's nowhere near as famous and revered and them.
>>127723442Died even younger than Trane + didn't usually play with sidemen as well-known + his sense of harmony and rhythm, though not free, was too abstract and complex for casuals. I prefer Trane but he was also one of the GOATs, both live and in studio.
>>127723619He also mastered bass clarinet which is a seriously based and kino instrument, a shame it's not more popular. Even vibraphone and flugelhorn are more common.
>>127723628it's very difficult
Do you guys had a fart fetish? It honestly just sound like wacky farts.
>>127723691fart fetishists are more into 70s jazz production
>>127723656That's a shame, it has such a one of a kind sound, he makes it sound like a sax at times
>>127715402It's called Ravi Shankar. Coltrane named his son in his honour
