Honegger editionhttps://youtu.be/7wjT1ycujT4This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>127805364
>>127857382Can people really distinguish between Vivaldi concertos or is it a meme? I like the guy, but damn it all sounds the same.
>>127857416I mean, allegedly people can distinguish between Mozart pieces.
>when its time for the daily reminder
>Today I will remind themBABAB>DAILY REMINDER>DAILY REMINDERIAAAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWOIKCtjiw&list=RDKyWOIKCtjiw&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLugJIWdpCM&list=RDtLugJIWdpCM&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-utT-BD0obk&list=RD-utT-BD0obk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxx7Stpx7bU&list=RDcxx7Stpx7bU&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoOqsxLxSo&list=RDkCoOqsxLxSo&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgjwiadze1w&list=RDSgjwiadze1w&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ44z_ZqzXk&list=RDOQ44z_ZqzXk&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyBRbbHpno&list=RDpGyBRbbHpno&start_radio=1 [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
>average BABIAA listenerWe will disarm and subdue every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin NocturneWe are the Mockers of MozartWe put a chokehold on classicismWe are the Cuckolders of ChopinWe are the Rapists of RomanticsWe are the murderers of MahlerWe strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour symphonies
So relaxing
Reminder Bach and after, before and not including Ives.
>>127857416People as in casual listeners?
>>127857660>Reminder Bach and Before, Ives and After
>Listening to Bach>not listening to Mozart>Listening to Marais>Not listening to Haydn>Listening to Ravel>not listening to Mahler>listening to Stravinsky>not listening to Schoenberg or ShostakovichIs there a better feeling in this world?
>Your Romanticism>My Foot>Your Classicism>My FistI will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin
>Bach>Machaut>Ives>Marais>Buxtehude>Stravinsky>Reich>BartokNo Mozart, No Brahms, No Haydn, No MahlerNo Autistic Teutonic spirit shall oppress or taint the Gallic, Latin, and Slavic soul
>Up next is mozFart stinky dinky symphony no. 39 in E flatulence followed by Braaaaaap Concerto in P(ee) minorDo Brapzart listeners really?
>braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
wow this thread sucks, what happened to this general?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLibSZ2hqA4
>>127857736t. incel
>>127857888underages
>>127857924t. Neurotic>>127858443>>127857888t. Neurotic
>>127857893looks like one of my old physics teachers.
>>127857888Some people are unable to communicate without memes, so they cling onto some pre packaged images and call it a day. Dont pay attention to them.
Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqRjmXBgkmc
best Shostakovich 5 recording?
>>127856483It's one of the better "lesser known gems" symphonies.>>127859880If you want more emotional color, try Vasily Petrenko. If you want more beautiful sonority, try Nelsons.
>>127855562somehwat based
>>127855562same except for Death Grips in between Schumann and Wagner
>the FUNNIEST Haydn joke
>>127860423His entire career
>>127860423Op. 33 No. 2
>9 hour long symphonies>100 (LONG) transcendental etudes>rest of his works in similar styleThis guy was legit nuts. Who listens to him?
>>127860591>jeetAnon, I...
>>127857416Pre romantic era it all sounds the same. The only exception being CPE Bach, as we all know it.
now playing, continuing with this cycle, a real good selection of pieces this timestart of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 23 in F Minor, Op. 57 "Appassionata"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=supqe8HxV3k&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=53start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 15 in D Major, Op. 28 "Pastoral"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8vROiHKNkg&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=56start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 21 in C Major, Op. 53 "Waldstein"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2txWgwz6-8&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=60start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 19 in G Minor, Op. 49 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKt_vIvmgUI&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=62start of Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 20 in G Major, Op. 49 No. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKel5bFps44&list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08&index=63https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mRLcaZ8NG02qttJ1mKkD7iC7zOXbsho08order of the pieces is how it is on the release
does anyone actually understand the musical form and compositional structure of Bach's Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin and Cello Suites?
>>127861059I highly doubt it. They are quite possibly the most enigmatic works in the musical canon.
>>127861115ok good, glad to know it isn't just me who finds them structurally opaque, though it does not diminish my love for them
>>127861059>>127861139A lot of it is just binary form
>>127861059Sone movements are tenary or binary forms, some are fugues and some are thorough composed.
The usual manner is the more you like a work, the more often you listen to it. However, there are some works which are so emotionally powerful, so musically explosive, so spiritually taxing, that they should only be listened to seldomly, every so often, with appropriate gaps before the next experience. One such work is Tchaikovsky's Sixth Symphony.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ODR1D2gf8Anyone else know this feel? Or do you always listen to pieces correspondingly as often as you love them?
>>127857416yes but first you have to not be deaf
>>127860591I do. his Sequentia Cyclica is one of my all time favorite pieces.
>>127861777You really went through 8 hours of music? Damn. And how much of it can you really recall?
Music is supposed to help us socially bond with other people, yet classical music has alienated me from everyone more than anything else. I was never too social, but now I don't have any incentive to talk with people at all, at the same time, I have instinctual need to socialize, at least sometimes, and it's making me depressed. I wish I was a normalfaggot. At the same time I'm glad I'm not. Shall I kms?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPlaz7e1wio&list=PLrYxVToz6CljZezb3W38YCZ_LRcIIGEDs&index=1
>>127861332That is one of the silliest covers I've seen.
Makrokosmos by memoryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbwCacprzs
>>127862071>Music is supposed to help us socially bond with other peoplesays fucking who?
>>127861961>You really went through 8 hours of music?shorter than a full Mahler cycle or a single Ring Cycle really.>And how much of it can you really recall?most of it, just like with the aforementione cycles. I think most big Wagner fans could hum you the full 14 hours of the Ring for instance (I probably can lol)
>>127862443he's a socialist. don't reply to him.
>>127862443Me
>ALBERICH>Hehe! Ihr Nicker!>Wie seid ihr niedlich, neidliches Volk!>Aus Nibelheims Nacht naht' ich mich gern,>neigtet ihr euch zu mir!>ALBERICH>mit kreischender Stimme>Wehe! Ach wehe! O Schmerz! O Schmerz!>Die dritte, so traut, betrog sie mich auch?>Ihr schmählich schlaues, lüderlich schlechtes Gelichter!>Nährt ihr nur Trug, ihr treuloses Nickergezücht?>WOTAN>Verwünschte Nicker!>zu Loge>Wehre ihrem Geneck!>WOGLINDE>Hat dich ein Nicker geneckt?>SIEGFRIED>Nun lacht nur lustig zu!>In Harm lass' ich euch doch:>denn giert ihr nach dem Ring,>euch Nickern geb' ich ihn nie!How did he get away with it?
>>127862956I don't speak germoid, what are you implying anon?
>>127862968Apologize for calling my beautiful language "germoid" and I will tell you.
>>127862956Idk, I'm on act III of Lohengrin
>>127857382This sonata, or at least this recording, is just absolutely unreal. The 1st and 3rd movements especially. I honestly can't believe how good it is, I have not listened to that much Chopin before, but I don't remember him sounding quite like this. Is this 3rd Sonata representative of Chopin or is it one of his less typical pieces?The first 90 seconds are a bit odd but then it becomes so amazing https://youtu.be/6Sv_zPdEaSc
>>127863002 ...Entschuldigung.
Georgy Sviridov:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IoJPFbYl6Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlo5V1Xwnek
>>127863110Thank you. Now, what I was implying is that the word "Nicker" sounds rather similar to a very famous word. Some might say the most famous word.
>>127863255kek
>>127863107Basado. 3rd sonata is one of his greatest achievements, the second theme of the 1st movement is probably my favorite melody of all time. It is a long bel canto lasting for ~2minutes, sheer beauty. The music is pure Chopin and typical of his style(especially late, contrapuntal Chopin) but the form is a sonata, which makes it different from everything but the cello sonata (which is arguably even better, and much less accessible). 2nd sonata is less lyrical in comparison, but the barcarolle, ballades, scherzos, polonaise-fantaisie, fantasy in F minor, late nocturnes (e.g. op.62, op.48) are in similar vein, as well as mazurkas and what not, are you not familiar with his body of works?>The first 90 seconds are a bit oddNothing is odd in this sonata!Cortot has a great recording, as far as historical recordings go. Argerich is pretty good if you're looking for higher quality recording.
>>127863416Ty for the explanation. No I'm not familiar with him; obviously I have heard some Chopin before just due to how famous he is but as I said it did not make the same impression on me as this did. This could easily just be because I didnt pay close enough attention in the past though. I will check out the recommendations you've mentioned.
>>127857759>he can't greentextBeta.
>>127863547You're welcome. The ballades are generally considered as his most definitive works, I'd start there. The first one is the most iconic and everyone's favorite, the 4th is peak of piano literature along with late Beethoven sonatas.
>>127862241That's why I like it so much. It's not only beyond good and evil but space and time as we know it!
https://litter.catbox.moe/fxomp486qo5flfbm.webm
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life!
>>127861332no casual listening:heiliger dankgesangparsifal
>>127863197Thanks, those were nice.
>>127863719btw karajan's emi pathetique is even more impactful
>>127863806>heiliger dankgesanggood shout. In the past year, I easily have more listens of the Razumovsky SQs than the 14th and 15th because they're much better for both casual and "let's get energized" listening
Medtner has some good songs
Just because I like a wide array of recordings of the same piece doesn't mean I don't have taste. I look at some critics' surveys of a piece and they'll have ten, twenty, even thirty top-tier recommendations and favorites! Yes, this still bugs me. That is all.
>>127863963Lol. Is this Mahlerkun? Do you like Lohengrin? I've been listening to it all day, and I wasn't a big opera fan myself. I think I am now. Always loved some Wagner though.
>>127864022I love Wagner's overtures and preludes but yeah, not a big or even small opera guy either. Every so often I'll give a masterwork a try and usually once the male talk-singing starts, that's when I'm out lol
>>127864045Ik that feel. Keep giving it a try every now and then, it might click one day. And read librettos too. Act 2 scene 2 was enchanting. It's probably more rewarding if you're listening to the whole thing, but you can't not love this, especially at the end:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Ny-srV46Y
>>127864096oh god the Reference Recording man strikes again. Anyway, parts like that I like, it's the majority of the rest of the opera that turns me off
>>127863963case in point<----https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/a-guide-to-the-best-recordings-of-beethoven-s-symphony-no-3-eroica
Outside of a few popular arias, opera is not listenable and is not worthwhile without watching the stage play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1chVdUgTJS8His other preludes may suck, but you gotta hand it to him on this one!
>>127864151[...] even when watching the stage play.
>>127864263kekso people who go to the opera are just wasting their time, going for the social clout and internal feeling of haughty self-righteousness?
>>127864278No, they are simply philistines who lack any sense of taste.
operas are really no different to books or movies. not every single line, scene, passage or chapter is flawless, but does that mean that finishing it is not worthwhile? if you can't sit through a 2-hour opera i have to surmise you can't possibly finish reading a book either, and i can only pity your wretched zoomer, ahdh, tiktok existence.
Ode to Joy indeed!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NdZPn_4K_Q&list=OLAK5uy_l55lBOM2SxuNQtyWgOVgVPc0WkVLdWVbw&index=39
>>127864370>not every single line, scene, passage or chapter is flawlessSome literature is.try 3
>>127864434I hate everything. Fuck it
>>127864434it would be completely legit to give up on a book after reading those lines.
>>127864471The main character is Jewish and it's pop culture laden because it takes place around 9/11. It might be the most Jewish novel I've ever read desuBut it's great
>>127864505yeh, some real james joyce-shit.
>novel>great
>>127864517It's Pynchon, so yes.
>>127864534Pynchon is shit.
>>127864548oh
>>127864556>Irish folk don't do Jewish prayers but this little autist sure is shokeling! LOL>Pretend you're a newspaper? Okay, wise guy! *opens you up* >:3Zany! What a prankster, what a jokester! The katypenguin humour offends doubly with its laziness: Psyduck goes 'Psy-ay-ay!' not 'Psy, psy, psy'.
>>127863197Metal Gear?
>>127864641I thought it was funny.
>>127864370Exactly. It just takes time and effort to get into opera. About the same effort it took me to get into classical music in the first place (from popular genres), it took me to get into opera, because it's a different medium. It's like a movie really, not like a symphony, which was my expectation initially. You have to read the story, or it's just random, incoherent melodies and noise. Even if the story is boring or cliche, you have to somehow learn to enjoy it. And only then will you unlock opera>wretched zoomer, ahdh, tiktok.I feel personally attacked now.
>>127864794>You have to read the story, or it's just random, incoherent melodies and noise.This is a good point. Sure, a great deal of the music stands on its own, but the logical sequence is not understood and without that unity interest will always fade. Besides, I love the stories of Handel, Mozart, Weber, Wagner, etc. and I find it difficult to believe people don't enjoy them.
Does anyone have a good version of the Heroic Polonaise? Just send your favoritehttps://youtu.be/p_iI1J0bALE?si=wAYhMA9ncL06S8Ye
Waltzes > Polonaises
>>127864956I don't enjoy reading fiction generally, especially melodrama. I somehow forced myself to enjoy it, for the sake of music. And it paid off.
>>127864964https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_a8MwNdyicThe greatest. Unsurpassed.
Anyone familiar with this set? What is the best CD? There's 34 of them! Just finished listened to CD 24 and had a blast.
>>127865397the best Scarlatti collection by far
best recording of Chopin's Sonatas 2 & 3?
>>127864964peephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUxO8J8pzL0&list=OLAK5uy_l-i0M3dpD6pYNaBz0BDeeD_aISmB2WyF8&index=6
>>127857538What's BABIAA? Is it about music structure?>>127857518Why always these same pieces? I get it Satie is great but the others?
>>127866189>What's BABIAA?"bach and before, ives and after"
>>127866189>I get it Satie is great but the others?masterful bait. I salute you.
>>127866470spammer got owned. As we used to say in Runescape, "sit"
best Bruckner 7?
>>127865737>2Horowitz (1950), Rachmaninoff, Cortot>3Cortot, Rosenthal, Gilels
>>127866601Sanderling
>>127866601Karajan, GiuliniThe more expansive the better. Rushing through the piece is such a waste because the first two movements are among the most beautiful ever written, and they sound good at any tempo, so why not take their time?
>>127866633Karajan Vienna or Berlin?
>>127866640Vienna if you can choose but if you only had the Berlin, you're fine
>>127866607Anything since the Vietnam War?
>>127866749All the good pianists got drafted and had their hands blown off :(
>>127866607>>127866749>GilelsOops, should've put it in 2nd.Actually replace that with GODowsky. But Rachmaninoff's is BEST by far. Especially that finale...>since the Vietnam War?Nah. Argerich is fine in 3rd I guess. But modern interpretations aren't the best, since that's what you were asking for.
how about this madlad2ndwww.youtube.com/watch?v=pbjunBC0jEA&list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtU&index=13rdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9PX6MLouaY&list=OLAK5uy_lOXn2GLtkt6rytn-M-YI6qOiZDQli-qtU&index=9
>>127866633What you define as rushing was normal in Bruckner's day.
>>127866837They didn't know what they had.orTheir shorter life expectancies lead them to prefer faster tempos. We live in a more enlightened age.
>>127857783>Bach>no autistic teutonic spiritWhat could anon possibly have meant by this
>>127866855Or they had better cognitive abilities and higher functioning nervous system (for which empirical evidence exists, as opposed to your claim).
>>127866918Damn. Okay, how about since it was before the advent of labor laws, they didn't have much free time and needed the tempos to be fast so they could get back to their 14-hour shift the next day.
>>127866766did you peep>>127866787
How do you organize your music? I just have a bunch of download folders, but I want to convert a portion of it to opus to listen to on my phone. What's your directory schema?
>>127867416>composer>genre (symphonies, string quartets etc.)>works>performer (if I have multiple versions)>tracks
>>127867425Do you disassemble tracks from their respective albums? I suppose the only way to maintain album integrity is to catalogue by label.
>>127867480Not sure what you mean by disassemble, this is what it looks like in foobar.
>>127867526An album might have various pieces from one or more composer. Do you treat the tracks as disparate parts to merge into your catalogue?
>>127867611No, usually not. I only do that when an album has one big work and then some unrelated smaller work that I don't care about to fill up the remaining space on the disk.
mozart's piano concerto no. 24
I guess classical music doesn't lend easily itself to hierarchical filesystems and it's better to use metadata tags.
Levit's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUJ5NOrTEI&list=OLAK5uy_k9zkiCHsoGl3LbAIJSvZp5CGUAVfEnqdU&index=7
>>127859880Kurt Sanderling
>>127867526that's way more complex than mine, i just sort by composer and loosely sort by genre (Symphony, Orchestral, Piano, Chamber, Choral, Opera, Lieder) then release date of the album, and if an album has multiple works by different composers then i split the album and group each work with their respective composer.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/25/us-news/alleged-charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinsons-trans-lover-lance-twiggs-was-gifted-straight-a-student/>Twiggs was an acne-riddled teen who excelled at piano, playing Gershwin’s Prelude No. 1 in a 2020 recital, which also featured his brother, who played Chopin.>GershwinOy vey
so the wagner meme is finally out of style? thank god
>>127869395Pas op voor de pianisten
>>127857382Florence Ballardhttps://youtu.be/x4iIXC5sk8M?si=1PdimzNLmLcxG7wR
Vivaldi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QGH9T_G4_Q
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMZg8uD9Mio
>>127865266>I don't enjoy reading fiction generallyThat's a very unusual trait. Don't you find you're missing out on literature?>especially melodramaIs most opera really melodrama? I think there's a bit more substance to a Da Ponte or Wagner libretto than pure melodrama.
>>127869434in the beginning there was the Rheingold prelude and the Rheingold prelude was with Wagner. All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjkjF9OfMe0
>>127857382favorite violin concerto + performer of it RIGHT NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iG9tUJ7Am4this blew my dick off the first time i heard it man
>>127870912have you listened to the Szeryng/Monteux recording?i love both, i can't decide which one i prefer.
Wagner's Ring Cycle Solti vs Bohm?
>>127870912Mendelssohn Heifetz.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV-cEBof_mo&list=OLAK5uy_lydvHsNUyc9etBj2i78guo0qgJvv0lMT8&index=4
>>127870951Bohm no contest.
>>127863814You're welcome. Sviridov seems like an underappreciated composer (at least in the West).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKlkDaam-X8>>127864664Yes, it does sound like the theme from the Metal Gear Solid games.One of the game composers was clearly inspired by the music and 'borrowed' from it. Curiously, once the similarities were pointed out in an interview to Kojima, the game director, the soundtrack mysteriously disappeared from the series afterwards.
>>127869395You never see a Bach connoisseur involved in such sordid activity. Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yXn4dmzDZc
Hello friendshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRLiAR_VITQ
>>127871966In that respect, Bach is actually much worse than Gershwin, a literal tranny recorded WTC/inventions etc. Bach connoisseurs are the real trannies
now playingstart of Beethoven: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 61https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-PVKSIH6yE&list=OLAK5uy_kAr3NngNoHCiBS2Qczn7LEnqGw4ypouvQ&index=2start of Britten: Violin Concerto, Op. 15https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOpPVGSxjxg&list=OLAK5uy_kAr3NngNoHCiBS2Qczn7LEnqGw4ypouvQ&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kAr3NngNoHCiBS2Qczn7LEnqGw4ypouvQ>"In the first half, Janine Jansen made Beethoven's Violin Concerto sound new-minted. Her genius was to give the illusion that she was inventing the work there and then, improvising with spontaneity" -- Classical Source>"Whenever a violin repertory piece needs revitalising, there's one simple solution. Hire Janine Jansen to play it" -- The Times
>>127872191me on the left on the chair
>>127864244What's wrong with his other one?
>>127864244actual retard
>>127872309?Even the biggest Sokolov fan ought to recognize the appeal of his idiosyncratic, personalized playing is contentious and equivocal. Relax.
what are your favorite non-standard repertoire composers?
>>127872387Medtner, the symphonies of Roy Harris, the string quartets of Stenhammar, the symphonies of Atterberg, the list goes on...
>>127872387Medtner, Joachim Raff, Kalinnikov, Zelenka, Martinů, Stenhammar, Beethoven, Buxtehude, Telemann, Roslavets, Myaskovsky, Arensky, are most of Reger's works considered standard repertoire?
>>127872387I consider myself a contrarian so by definition everything I listen to becomes non-standard repertoire.
is Mozart's Symphony 40 considered standard repertoire?
>>127872497take a wild fucking guess
>>127872462>Beethoven
>>127872784Kaspar Anton Karl van Beethoven
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2dIEODoF0
>>127872891>le... wrong beethoven! >with couple pieces no one recordslollmao even
>>127872462you forgot to list Bach (Wilhelm Friedemann)
BABIAA
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYex4gKTyMAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y99G32NYm0A
Composers before Beethoven were just building blocks, they didn't write actual good music. Composers after Stravinsky were likewise, not good.
>>127873377This. Both progress and decadence happened, peak was around the middle of 19th century.
>>127873377>>127873418thank you for your insight but might I suggest you share it over at >>>/mu/ instead?
>>127873427You may not.
greentexting should be banned. it's overused and the only people that still use it are band kid types.
Lohengrin overture is the greatest 10 minutes of orchestral music ever conceived by mankind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0SxQT-bybA
Is /ourguy/ Arcangelo Corelli the warmest, most comfy music ever created by a human mind? How can music even be this cozy, it is like being a small child inside a cottage next to a fireplace while people are preparing for festivities as the sky darkens https://youtu.be/MM-sSHNA41U
>>127873485You have to go back.
>>127873495I am in a world, where I am taking a stroll in a beautiful park built by the divine, suddenly my legs feel tired and request to stop. Cordially I went on ahead to sit under the shade of a chestnut tree. My fatigue washes away from me as I slip into my imaginative daydreaming, I can hear the melancholic chirping of the sparrows and the water flowing from the creeks, feel the gust of a chilly wind approaching my face, smell the rejuvenating fragrance of the good earth. But then I realize I was just listening to the start of Lohengrin. I a poor soul, venerate the gods for creating such beauty and allowing an inferior soul like me to experience it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG53S27HI5k
i don't get why no one ever records my symphonies.
>>127873564torelli > corelli
>>127863197i recently discovered him https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_krzgi0PIxIoeQZ3HWb-hHz58fsR5zAjJM
>>127873675This
It is difficult for me to resonate with romantic symphonies that are first in major and secondly so fast and dynamic it feels amorphous. Like there is so much change and shift and drama - loud to soft - BANG BOOM - crying - AAAHHHHH - still etc. I am describing the majority of essential symphonies in the romantic period. I know I am a retard but just wanted to know if anyone else agrees.Maybe I should just stick with the 20th century symphonies that reject this romantic drama.
>>127873828I used to think like that about classical music in general. Then I stopped being a retard.
>>127873873what was your secret
>>127873892>Keep on listening friends! Take care!
now playingstart of Dvorak: Trio for Piano, Violin and Cello No. 1 in B Flat Major, Op. 21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6EL7RCAdnE&list=OLAK5uy_lJAILemynJ7lli6oEFRiR5RL6YNulr76E&index=2start of Dvorak: Trio for Piano, Violin and Cello No. 2 in G minor, Op. 26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFcX43j4vgk&list=OLAK5uy_lJAILemynJ7lli6oEFRiR5RL6YNulr76E&index=6start of Dvorak: Trio for Piano, Violin and Cello No. 3 in F minor, Op. 65https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI7O4zy31cM&list=OLAK5uy_lJAILemynJ7lli6oEFRiR5RL6YNulr76E&index=10start of Dvorak: Dumky for Piano Trio, Op. 90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXq7omnK8iI&list=OLAK5uy_lJAILemynJ7lli6oEFRiR5RL6YNulr76E&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lJAILemynJ7lli6oEFRiR5RL6YNulr76E
Alsop + Yunchan Lim playing Rach 3, thoughts?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSXxMEIDp0&list=OLAK5uy_lmW5gF6RpO8O4QsCpOrCc80U0I3lTk8HA&index=1
Are there any edited versions of Furtwangler with claps and coughs erased
>>127873997bad.
>>127873997his earnest and heavy burdened interpretations aren't my cup of tea.
>>127874023That's what Bareboim's recordings are for.
Stop listening to mono and hiss.
Need to listen to 24bit 192khz hiss
>>127874158Mono is great.
stop listening to dead conductors and musicians
>>127874117only half as interesting and without the balls unfortunately
furtwangler sucks. takes way too many liberties.
>>127874366Genius takes liberties.
>>127874463conductors aren't meant to be geniuses. we leave that to the composers
>>127874479A seelct few* composers even, such as Beethoven, Schubert, Chopin, Brahms.
>>127874532>Chopin
>>127874845hehe
>>127874479It takes a genius to properly execute works of genius. This is true for all of the performing arts. An actor that is not of genius will never do Shakespeare justice.
>>127874845cringe chopin underrater
>>127874895No, that is just an overuseage of the word genius.
>>127874921You don't know what genius is.
>>127874845Brahms is clearly more the odd one out.
>>127874936I know what genius is psychologically. You know what "genius" is from pop culture.
>>127874981No, I've read Schopenhauer and the Greeks, you don't know what genius is or even the etymology of the word.
here we go
>>127875060>nuh uh, ancient pop culture!You still have no idea what defines a genius in psychology, which is the only thing that matters besides the etymology.
>>127875229Lol, you're resorting to modern academia at the expense of the entire history of Western thought, typical midwit. But please, since you consider it valid, tell me how etymology justifies your definition of genius.
anyone here read Middle C by William H. Gass? It's a novel about classical music written by one of America's preeminent novelists.>The novel tells the story and concerns of Joseph Skizzen, whose father got the family out of Austria in 1938, pretending to be Jewish, then disappeared in London. Relocated with his mother and sister to the fictional Woodbine, Ohio, Skizzen grows up to be a thoroughly middling nobody, a low-skilled amateur piano player who finds his niche as a professor of music at a small Bible college, by passing himself off as just the right kind of exotic, specializing in Arnold Schoenberg and atonal music, and successfully lying about his training and credentials. Isolated, he lives with his mother, his only hobby a fantasy life as the curator of his Inhumanity Museum. He obsesses over revising a single sentence, "The fear that the human race might not survive has been replaced by the fear that it will endure.">One review described the novel as being written in a style imitative of Schoenberg, with no scene having more dramatic significance than any other.[4] Another review compared the novel to a concerto, with parts for Joey, Joseph, and Professor Skizzen.[5] It won the William Dean Howells Medal in 2015.[6]Gonna check it out from the library soon.
stop listening to dead composers
>>127874943The odd one out is obviously Schubert, who was not able to play some of his own piano compositions.
>>127875454That has absolutely nothing to do with Schubert's status as a composer.
>>127875454>>127875472If anything, it's impressive.
>>127875348>le modern academiaI'm not going to explain to you what defines a genius, since it would be off topic. A performer is not a genius, by any definition whatsoever.
>>127875639>A performer is not a genius, by any definition whatsoever.Then you clearly know nothing about the history of the concept, and whatever contrived definition you have for the word is completely subjective and irrational. The worst part is that you seem to be arguing that there is no creative process involved in performance.
>>127875639Was Beethoven not a genius when he was performing music of other composers
bach and before, nothing after
now playingstart of Chopin: Four Balladeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjU4b1CNWPQ&list=OLAK5uy_lPY6r8l8B5jMfdAbcCGn7LUa8Lz_4p-Bs&index=2start of Chopin: Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Pfh5UK6pQ&list=OLAK5uy_lPY6r8l8B5jMfdAbcCGn7LUa8Lz_4p-Bs&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lPY6r8l8B5jMfdAbcCGn7LUa8Lz_4p-BsLots of critics claim this is the greatest Nocturnes set of all-time, so let's finally find out.
>>127875710History of the concept is irrelevant to the subject of discussion. Creative process is involved in performance.>>127875842Whether he was shitting or composing is irrelevant to the fact that Beethoven was a genius.
>>127876089You said according to no definition of the concept is a performer a genius, which is obviously not true and it would only require a basic familiarity with the history of the concept to know this. Learn basic English before responding next time.If you agree that a creative process is involved in performance, then you must necessarily agree that such a thing as a genius performer exists. Otherwise you have to resort to ridiculous dialectics sectioning off that creative process to a small enclosure prohibiting genius. A great actor in Shakespeare must totally re-create the part if he is to do it justice, there are no simple pointers or dynamic markings, and this demonstrates very clearly the necessity of genius in the performing arts. It requires immense intelligence and originality. I'm expecting that you have a rather reductive quantitative definition of genius, such as measurements of complexity, wherein a 'lesser genius' or 'genius for [particular thing]' cannot be spoken of.
>>127876784>such a thing as a genius performer existsAn exceptional performer is not a genius. End of.
What are some black interpreters and conductors?
>>127876939Odd question
>tfw too much hearing loss from playing music and i cant really listen to most classical anymore since anything piano just sounds like nothing to me unless i turn the volume up enough for anything forte to damage my hearing even more
>>127877064they're pretentious fruits anyway playing the piano soft as fuck because muh emotions give me a break
>>127877046Well, it's for my girlfriend. She's into R'n'B, Soul and Jazz. I want to show Classical music to her.
Borodin.Boyar's Chorus (without Yaroslavna):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJF8xBC7RUc
>>127876934Your standards are just too low to know how much higher the potential is.
>>127877207i enjoy it i just have damaged ears
>>127877286>"Your standards are just too low">proceeds to throw around word "genius" at any given opportunity
>>127877236>She's into R'n'B, Soul and Jazz.Okay. Is she also racist?
>>127877327No, I'm sure there's a space for european art in her heart, I just need to push it a little.
>>127877401>NoSo why were you asking specifically for black performers and conductors?
>>127877530She's very used to black artists. I want her to keep a little of her taste while she listens to classical.
>>127877064fug :(all the hearing loss is from playing music?
>>127877530just fucking answer the question or shut up jesus
>>127877286>"your standards are too low">listens to Fartmemegler
>>127878661yup, im hoping they can do more for hearing loss/tinnitus in the future anyway so i can actually listen to it again
>>127877064>tfw always has only 30% of the hearing I should have on my left ear so I always have to adjust audio settings when listening with headphone>tfw no face
What's the best performer for the whole set of piano sonatas by Scriabin?
>>127879935Just one pianist? I'd go with Zhukov in that case.
>>127879942>Just one pianistYes, like a complete set. Is it a bad idea for Scriabin?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csT-tbbjvhQ
Hi
now playingSchubert: Hungarian Melody in B Minor, D. 817https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_u44fO9Pc&list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vk&index=2start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 18 in G Major, D. 894https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay6XuOfA6pU&list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vk&index=3start of Schubert: 6 Moments musicaux, D. 780https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7nWIACyVJw&list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vk&index=7Schubert: Allegretto in C Minor, D. 915https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I18AoHFWRac&list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vk&index=13start of Schubert: 4 Impromptus, D. 935 (Op. 142)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK12pgQ7Qv0&list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vk&index=14start of Schubert: Piano Sonata No. 21 in B-Flat Major, D. 960https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxjtirz6wZo&list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vk&index=17https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kkRQhg8cRFrCcemIiGvFzJZiJpGsUZ8vkUsually I'd avoid fortepiano recordings like the plague but why not, let's see what's in store here
>>127879935Starting out, I'd recommend Ashkenazy and/or Hamelin. Then once you've learned to love one or both of those for a bit, then that's the best time to pursue a set with a more personalized interpretation if you want. But for overall quality, can't go wrong with those two.
anyone else find Radu Lupu's playing overly affected, inscrutable, and distended? Yet it seems to have a mystic quality to it, like it's privy to all of the deeper truths of the music no one else is. I hate it but I can't stop listening.
>>127879935i like Autsbø
AI Prompt: remove Gould's humming from his recordings
>>127880284>>127875897>>127873986I didn’t listen to any of your links.
Composers who were dilettantes and not doing it for money?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Csynke0maE
>>127881770Ives.
>>127881854>Bach dedicated his works to the glory of god alone with the help of JesusHuzzah!
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXg66t_K-QI
>>127881770Elgar never earned a paycheck
Karajan is really great, redditors were wrong.
Needs more vivace con molto
>>127882157He's selectively great, like most of the famous conductors.
>>127877310these days there are so many ridiculously stupid internet users that anyone who can achieve something out of the ordinary looks like a genius compared to them. back in my day, people read blogs and wikipedia articles for fun...
Andante spianato e grande polonaise in Eb op.22
>>127877310>>127882369I never said every virtuoso was a genius, that was your own projection, but certainly the greatest performers are geniuses. From descriptions we can presume Franz Liszt's piano playing was indeed the work of performing genius, as something that stood entirely apart from every other pianist in history and can never be recreated.
>>127882743Performing and composing skills cannot be separated as clearly as you might imagine. That's why great pianists of 19th century were also great improvisers/composers (e.g. Rachmaninoff. Horowitz was also an improviser). Liszt was a genius, and his genius allowed him to be a great musician.
>>127881607oh :( maybe next time
>>127882932No, I am thinking specifically of the description of his performance of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata compared with Rubinstein's, and I can firmly say that performance was the product of genius, not just greatness.
finally listening to Feinberg's Bach WTChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94XFV8X77U0
>>127883150Wow, this is exactly the kind of romantic WTC I've been looking for all this time. Apologies to the anons who have been recommending me Feinberg for the past year that I kept dismissing because I thought it'd be too hiss.
>>127883150This is a friendly reminder that WTC is supposed to be played in Bach’s Well temperament, not equal temperament.
>>127883624I don't even know what that means, so I won't respond to it.
>>127883624This is a friendly reminder to uhhh suck my dick and balls. If it sounds good, it is good.
now playingstart of Schumann: Symphony No. 1 in B-Flat Major, Op. 38 "Spring"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TekbQ1pMXTA&list=OLAK5uy_nujTsDgEy80i8N3JJ1-z8gWdVrWCbL0S8&index=2start of Schumann: Symphony No. 2 in C Major, Op. 61https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9N-bOWudT8&list=OLAK5uy_nujTsDgEy80i8N3JJ1-z8gWdVrWCbL0S8&index=6start of Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97 "Rhenish"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx2Gsnj29d4&list=OLAK5uy_nujTsDgEy80i8N3JJ1-z8gWdVrWCbL0S8&index=10start of Schumann: Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA21CgLQyLI&list=OLAK5uy_nujTsDgEy80i8N3JJ1-z8gWdVrWCbL0S8&index=14https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nujTsDgEy80i8N3JJ1-z8gWdVrWCbL0S8Comin' thru' with the sick alt cover. My Sinopoli love notwithstanding, this overlooked set ranks among the best Schumann cycles.
>>127883631>to uhhh suck my dick and balls.With pleasure :333
Woodward's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqmb1oyMrs8&list=OLAK5uy_lKr-TUmp_U035LIV5TCkrDSrzHTMfXePg&index=47>For the first time in nearly 30 years I am faced with a conversion: the next time I am asked which recording of this music I want to take with me onto my desert island, I won’t instantly say Sviatoslav Richter, and I might not even mention him at all. ---- Dominy Clements
>>127883698Not enough heart.>>127883150Great playing but the sound quality does become too distracting and ultimately detrimental over time. Similar to Tureck's set. Shame.
>>127883150It's probably the best WTC on the whole if you're into ye olde romantic style. Feinberg was a genius.
reading Mailer while listening to Mahler
top 10 Mozart works?
>8min Hammerklavier first movement:(>9min:/>10min:)>11 min:D>12min:Ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWXjXz2eYr0&list=OLAK5uy_nyS0rBmj3L4CitPp0_4eifFq6A23ghvEg&index=2
>>127886159Why do you hate the Hammerklavier so much?
>>127866189Satie is great along with the others>>127866552Nope
>>127873564He is BABIAA appoved, I will add him to the spam list.
>>127866941Hours were actually shorter back then
>>127885830pc 20, 21, 23, 24, symphony 40, 41, violin sonata k. 304, 379, sonata no.8, no.16I guess I could also include quintets, quartets, violin concertos, but that'll do it.>>127886159No. It should be as fast as possible.
>>127886684no Requiem or Mass in C Major?
>>127886541Only physics PhDs will get this one
>>127886298Wouldn't preferring it last longer with a slower tempo indicate loving a work even more?
>>127886697No. Instrumental music is significantly better.
>>127886541Ah, but before Einstein discovered general relativity, people experienced time faster, especially musicians. Your move.
>>127886782No, because it loses the intended character and aesthetic of the piece.
Andras Schiff's Beethoven is so weird, I don't even know how to describe it. This must be what people mean when they say cerebral and analytical for performances.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-MMT_MAuZ4&list=OLAK5uy_lCQxCiMNASNrGpPkCcTkaxLvJbWDIkrPc&index=79
>>127885830Symphonies 40 and 41, clarinet concerto, Figaro, piano concertos 21 - 25 and 27
Figaro, Figaro...
>>127886937His lectures on the sonatas are more interesting than the performances itself IMO (all should be on YouTube and are worth hearing), but I do think he has an intriguing take on the Moonlight sonata, if nothing else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG8zQpsZS7U&list=OLAK5uy_mmPDTkdPtMc0wnSy1jWQEzANn4bp3lid8&index=9
Stockhausen edition next or I'm not posting
>>127887405I'll check those lectures out, thanks.
spending all day in bed listening to Bach's WTC on repeat :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYmwLgX-jLQ&list=OLAK5uy_nOj9ZI9kc8GX4qzMtGz_HJyI9gq6kHbrE&index=22
>>127887440Is that even classical? Can we do that?
>>127866211Ah, ok. For some reason I thought there was actually some thought behind these posts.Would be nice to see some more love for modern/contemporary "classical" music but probably needs its own thread.
>>127887677If you wanna see more of something and/or discuss it, post it.
>>127887545Welcome, our sweet friend Insomnia
