I’ve long held the opinion that the reason popular culture (specifically music but also television, film, and so on) feels so stagnant and monotonous is due to the extreme amount of nepotism and ossification of class structures. If you want innovation, you need to bring in new people who bring in new ideas, especially in music whereby artists’ lived experiences shape their sound, lyrical storytelling, and image. Nepo babies are the polar opposite of this. These kids have been groomed from birth to be culturally relevant people. They grew up surrounded by industry people (or people with affiliations to industry people) and already had managers and marketers crafting their image, style, and sound before they started making music. They never had to create tor develop their own unique style or musical sound on their own. This also means that they grow up oblivious to the struggles of the working-class and the marginalized.Unfortunately, so much new talent is locked up in low wage precarity and will never be realized. So what you get is a music and entertainment industry saturated with nepo babies who aren’t there because they’re the most talented or innovative but because they were essentially groomed into said positions by their rich industry parents, who had the means to buy their children a high position on the social hierarchy.So yes, fuck nepo babies.
This has always been the case dumbfuck.
I had one of these girls torture me and use me as a muse. Acted broke but her parents showed up in a luxury vehicle one day. Bitch better make something good.True story you god damned cave dwellers
Culture comes from the working-class, and I think it’s been lost because the working-class has been entirely pushed out of creative industries. This also leads to a breeding ground for fascism since lack of social mobility is where fascism festers.
>>127887910It’s about dynasty-building and ensuring wealth and control of culture remains in the hands of a select group of families. That’s why Bey and Hov are trying to turn Blue Ivy into a pop star.
>>127887985That’s just insulting. She sounds like an awful person.
>>127888090Same reason Kanye is trying to make his daughter North a “thing”.
>>127887957It’s way worse today than it was 30 years ago. Way worse. Largely because the working-class can’t afford to become artists.
>>127887910can someone be both talented and a nepobaby at the same time?
The walls are closing in fellas
Its not because of nepotism, its because the rest of us don't have the opportunities they do
>>127888126She is like a demon and that's why she will be perfect for the industry. I try to tell the second part of the story but people just tell me to take my meds. I won't leave you hanging though. I thought she returned but it was a actually a totally different girl that happened to be a musician and used the original girl's exact playbook to try and get something out of me since she saw how it worked out for the original psycho.
Gekyume Onfroy <3
>>127888326The "working class" today is richer than ever, and can reach the entire world with clear recordings and HD music videos from their homes in even the poorest states in the country:https://youtu.be/sqSA-SY5Hro
>>127887910The solution is that all female artists need to be raped regularly. This is why Film and Music was better in the past. Me too ruined art by removing the rape.
>>127888514It’s both. The industry loves nepo kids because they don’t need to be trained in how the industry works.
>>127888679Oliver Anthony was an obvious astroturf.
>>127888737That’s too generous. Most of these kids were specifically raised to be famous by their already famous parents. They want to guarantee their children have careers and therefore maintain the parents’ “legacies”.
>>127887910You’re assuming “nepo babies” aren’t talented in their own right. Lots of generalizations here.
>>127888743How? He's an unsigned artist—and is STILL unsigned, without family connections, from an unnotable music market.I think the song ducks too, but by any measure he's the least astroturfed artist with a hit song this decade.
>>127889316His song only got big because right-wing journalists like Matt Walsh began promoting it.
>>127889444Bullshit. Matt Walsh doesn't have enough pull to make an unsigned, heretofore unknown artist without a pedigree get a number-one hit for two weeks. Taylor Swift has almost ninety-million more followers on Twitter than Walsh, and even she couldn't get all her TTPD singles to number one. And the song was already blowing up without the cosign. Hence why Walsh even commented on it.
>>127888005how cute, it thinks Hollywood actors were ever not fruity theater babby thespians. it probably even thinks Brando and De Niro were real tough guys instead of thespians who played a tough guy in a movie.
>>127887910>GekyumeA terrible example, because hip hop rarely ever accepts nepo kids. Look at Jaden Smith or Diddy’s son if you want examples.
>I’ve long held the opinion blah blah blah blah
>>127889566Taylor is also a nepo baby.
>>127889704His mother (Jenesis) has been grooming him into being a rapper since the day he was born. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets signed to a major label at 11or 12 based on his lineage alone.
>>127889704correct. whatever else you can say about HH the community has a very purist tendency that you can't be a real MC unless you're actually from da streets.
>>127888316More like her mom
>>127888737The industry isn't a real group of people
>>127889104They have the best tutors and time to master their craft that the average person spends working
>>127890435Plus, as OP said, their parents are proactive in turning them into stars. It’s usually their famous parents who buy them their way into the industry or who provide them with tutors/coaches, stylists, managers, etc.
>>127889704Willow Smith has been successful in music though.
>>127890888Because she does indie rock and not rap.
>>127890888>>127891648Ah yes, I remember that hit Willow Smith song called...? Uh, help me out here.
>>127891673I WHIP MY HAAAIIIRR BACK AND FORTH
>>127888679I occasionally watch videos of Somalians recording war crimes on smartphones, are they also richer than ever? Is video resolution the best proxy for weath we can come up with?
>>127889104They can have all the talent in the world, but they never have any substantial inspiration. Nothing they need to say to the world through their music. They're unchallenging, pedestrian artists with no passion. Jacob Collier types
>>127890204There are also clips circulating of him being abused at meet-and-greets in China from last year.
>>127892511i hate those chinese monkey torture videos.
There are way more reasons why nepo babies are so prominent in culture nowadays.Biggest reason has to do with the perpetual death of subcultures. Subcultures no longer dictate culture; social media algorithms do. Everyone is spending all their time browsing TikTok and IG and being fed the same repetitive content over and over. The internet has created a de facto monoculture. You rarely see "hip" or "subversive" subcultures grow out of cities anymore. So, when people go to scout out talent they're not looking for the next underground jazzrap rapper or shoegaze band, they look at nepo kids who already have substantial followings on social media and sign them to major labels almost immediately.Nepo babies are also a low risk/high reward situation for labels. Having a famous last name or famous parent generates loads of hype for you in the short-term since everyone who was a fan of your famous parent is curious about you and will listen to you music when it drops. If the nepo kid's music doesn't sell, it's no biggie since they're already rich. This makes sense given that there is very little money to be made in music anymore, and the entire music industry has been in a state of crisis for years.
>>127890204That video was so staged.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nOW2zPf3wSg
>>127888679it's more like the upper class are better than ever at LARPing as working class
>>127893489Wasn't it revealed Oliver Anthony owns 50 acres of farm land in NC?
>>127888090>It’s about dynasty-building and ensuring wealth and control of culture remains in the hands of a select group of familiesThe artists don't control the culture, the higher ups at the labels and streaming services do.
>>127893262Thanks ChatGPT
lil baby x <3
>>127888316Ye lost custody of his kids.
>>127887910just become their drug dealershttps://rumble.com/v1d6b4v-corporate-world-domination-and-alien-mind-control-part-3.html?e9s=src_v1_cbl%2Csrc_v1_ucp_a
>>127890204Who the fuck wants to hear a rich kid rap? It's not like Gekyume earned his fame in any way.
>>127889585>actorsWho do you think makes films?
>>127893498The title of his hit song clearly spelled out his main issue with wealth and where it's concentrated.
>>127889104Most of them aren’t.
>>127889704The difference is X's fans are all mentally ill faggots who are obsessed with X as a cult of personality not his music. They want a successor to him, not just more screaming platitude rap.Gek is going to experience Bieber levels of horror from his dad's subhuman sycophants when he becomes a teenager.
>>127897011Pretty much
>>127897011Someone should Email Jenesis pretending to be an A&R from a major label, and ask if she would be interested in having Gekyume sign to a major label deal by next year. See how she responds.
>>127888514have you not just described nepotism
>>127890888She hired an entire team of talented jazz musicians, she knows nothing about music.
>>127897011They were proclaiming Gekyume to be some sort of “promised child” even before he was born.They are so desperate.
>>127899212It’s quite disturbing how much they’re blatantly grooming him to be a clone of his father DESU.
>>127893262Labels aren’t relevant anymore.
>>127894798Because X fans are more akin to cult members.
>>127887910>This also means that they grow up oblivious to the struggles of the working-class and the marginalized.NGL the more I think about if the more I agree with this. Whatever happened to championing the working man in music?
>>127887910Shitty degrees and the student loans that are still being paid off for them, literally murdered a good 15~ years of potential talent, across all mediums and fields in general. The big "art school boom" that happened between 2003~ and 2016~, fucked a lot of kids into a life of endless wageslaving and burnout. It's a huge part of why shit just seemed to...stop and fall into a faggy stasis for all that time up to this point. Producers went to the next "best thing": nepos who were already close enough to actually-useful networks that they could groom up and shit out as "new talent." The only people that seriously DO NOT see how busted the recording industry and its offering are, are either retarded 12 year olds or jeets, who consume every fucking thing like bugs. There is no real talent in mainstream music anymore, in game dev, in animation, etc. etc. Those potentials are all working 3 jobs, living with shitty roommates, and never had time to pursue these other fields.
>>127899765Plus a lot of songs get big through TikTok and being used in IG reels. This means artists are compelled to make songs specifically for use as short-form content background music.
>>127898188I get weird vibes from her. She seems to be all about money and power.
>>127893503Well think about the Kardashians and how they all seem hellbent on having as many kids as possible, even now that most of them are in their 40s. Is it because they want to spread their “good genes”? No. It’s because they want to maintain their family’s control of popular culture by breeding like bunnies and strategically placing their kids into entertainment industry careers. They need to maintain their “empire” for another generation.
>>127887957Go fuck yourself, nigga.
>>127900036What the hell does a six-year old have to talk about during a podcast?
I am kind of getting sick of this complaint. The tragedy of nepo babies in the arts isn't the inevitability that they exist. It's that they're given the key to Wonka's factory and do nothing of value with it.I won't deny the industry is bullshit levels of gatekept now, but let's not kid ourselves. America's lower classes are every bit as creatively bankrupt as the richfags and have been for years now. It's delusional cope to try and blame the decline in the arts on anything besides the hyper over reliance on social media our society is experiencing, and the sterilization of taste the algorithmic compliance creates. (Something poorer people have if anything, fallen victim to even more harshly)It's really that simple. The media class's obsession with twitter has lead to more awful writing in hollywood than anything else in history. And it's not even close to close.Gekyume will undoubtedly be a talentless artist with nothing of value to offer the creative world. Is it because he didn't spend his early adult years getting harrassed by customers? No, it'll be because he is following in the footsteps of his father who was also rewarded for being exactly that. A talentless hack with nothing to offer who was handed his career by social media's attention lottery.
>>127901279It’s both. Most popular musicians today are closer to influencers than they are actual musicians, but let’s not pretend the working-class hasn’t been effectively priced out of the arts due to insanely high costs of living:
>>127901279Protip: it’s very easy to buy a sizeable following on social media e.g. bot accounts.
>>127901684Yeah record labels do not pick someone who does not have at least 10k followers on Tiktok
>>127901279What you and OP are saying aren’t mutually exclusive at all. Celebrity parents will often times post their children on social media repeatedly in hopes that their kids will gain a huge following once they get a bit older and start their own accounts, which then leads them to get record deals and acting gigs.Go to Gekyume’s mom’s TikTok page (@thejenesisgiselle) and you’ll see how nearly all her videos feature Gekyume. That’s intentionally done to groom him into a music career. Hell, even on her IG she’s always posting stories which showcase Gekyume wailing (probably because she wants to show off what a “good” voice he has).
>>12788791080% of indie stars are nepo kids.
>>127887910>XXXtensioncordNot a big loss for music.
>>127902311>10k followersMore like 25k.
>>127887910The time of cRap is over
>>127904530Nah. It's only a matter of time before Kendrick's kids start making music.
>>127888005>Culture comes from the working-classThat's fucking hilarious.
Bump
>>127904650It does though. The working-class creates culture, the rich commodified it.
>>127906870This is a Marxist critical theory myth, and is based on extremely thin evidence even by the barely-existant standards of Marxist critical theory. Culture is overwhelmingly created by the aristocratic and bourgeoisie classes, and the moment a member of the working class becomes successful enough in the creation and propagation of culture to be remotely influential, he ceases to be a member of the proletariat.
This is the case even in the arts & academia. Certain people get chosen by faculty to have extra time & resources invested into them, they get shining letters of recommendation, etc. In the fine arts, it's all about following the narrative and being able to talk in an overly verbose manner which obfuscates the true meaning of your work & browbeats the lower classes intellectually into accepting you as a genius. There are entire gallery systems where people pay to be "members", which enables them to show their work alongside other members. It's all about exclusion, illusion, and delusion. That's the culture industry.
>>127907185shut up fag
>>127907185This is incorrect on so many levels. The rich usually steal culture created by the poor.
>>127887910And yet people keep buying the junk they turn out.
>>127887957The zoomer defense for literally everything…
>>127907185Those who are far more marginalized by society often make the best art/music, because they have to build something out of nothing. The privileged don’t innovate, they further the echo chambers. Especially if we’re talking about nepo kids like Jaden Smith and Gekyume (potentially) who were surrounded by shady industry people since birth and have only ever known the values of shady industry people.
>>127887910More like, when people don’t need to work to survive they usually choose to do art.
>>127887910https://youtube.com/watch?v=-hyn3_ZwIJg
>>127888367Surehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrZv0_eOBM
>>127888367Whitney Houston
>>127890204Is it actually working though? She has less than 700k followers on IG and only around 500k on TikTok. Compare that to other famous rapper baby mamas who have like 2 million followers.
>>127911541That's the oversimplified answer. The fact is, nepotism in the industry is a pretty complex network.
>>127887910I'm waiting for Paris Jackson to finally hit it big.
OP is flat retarded. The fact is, you can easily make a case for why nepo babies should dominate the music industry in the same way you could make a case for monarchy: who better to rule the kingdom after the king than the prince? After all, the prince was raised from birth to be a leader, right? Is that any different than Willow Smith, Gracie Abrams, Diddy's son, Paris Jackson or Gekyume being raised from birth to become famous musicians? Having money legitimately makes you a BETTER artist since you can afford the best private tutors and have the time to practice your craft. Having "industry parents" is objectively a good thing, because you're surrounded by successful people and know what standards you need to live up to. Plus, it also means you're parents are determined enough to invest in you that they ensure your music is good.Gekyume will be a star. Gekyume will be the icon of Gen Alpha. Gekyume will change the world just like his daddy did.
>>127888326Michael Jackson was literally a nepo baby. He and Mtv poisoned the industry with lip sync, the fact that Mtv made Unplugged as an answer to the problem they created is both hilarious and sad.
>>127915533MJ wasn't a nepo baby at all. What are you talking about?
>>127887910>ITT the "nepo baby" copethis has nothing to do with music. sniveling about rich kids doesn't make you a better musician, it just makes you look insecure and petty.some rich kids make great music, some don'tsome poor kids make great music, some don't
>>127915317> being a pro-authoritarian faggotThis is not the website for you
>>127915317And what happens when the prince is a total retard and the kingdom is stuck with him?
>>127887910Michael JacksonTaylor SwiftWhitney HoustonDrakeBruce SpringsteenNancy SinatraJim MorrisonLady GagaMac DemarcoGracie AbramsMichael GiraLMFAOKate BushJulian CasablancasLil PeepYung LeanBillie EilishAddison RaeSabrina CarpenterGrimesLily AllenJamie StewartJeff BuckleyThe ClashBoygeniusThe PoliceLana Del ReyMiley CyrusKim WildeNorah Jones
>>127888005“Culture” comes from rich corporate executives.
>>127887910We can never go back to a mainstream culture where original authentic art from the masses is common. We are entering the age of cattle consuimption. If fantastic art is made it will be kept hidden far behind doors
